Should Star Wars Re-release Episodes 4,5,6 or not?

[Reply #40 on:]

Has Anyone Seen It Yet? dont spoil the story.

[Reply #41 on:]

Rewatched Special Edition ESB and KOTOR totally owned the Mandolorian accent of Boba, Unlike the movie it self.

Here's a tip to guys who will do the TV series, all closed helmets have intercoms that will make the voice of the wearer sound electronicly to people talking to it amplified (EG Stormtroopers and Clonetroopers as well as other Closed Helmet wearing forces.

You should be ashamed for making one of the best Classics slightly crapper. Such an Amateurish mistake  .

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Originally posted by bankrupt:
CyberKnight and DotheBartman pretty much summed up my ideas on the subject.  I have no desire to pay for Special Edition (special in that they suck) versions of the originals in any medium. 

If you didn't like them with 4 or 5 new additional scenes that are about 5 seconds long, you probably couldn't stand them in the first place. Not that you've even seen it. The irrational anger behind the special edition makes me sick.
                      The majority of the fans have already come to terms with the fact that it's a fun little directors cut. Whether or not you have to accept them as the law is up to you. If you're level of tollerance is so low that the outcome of the "Greedo shot first or not at all" argument keeps you up at night, you probably are a little bit obsessive compulsive. If you sit down and watch them, you'll find they are the same movies and if you can't except that, you likely have not enjoyed it in the first place. Not like you've bothered to take a look. This leads me to believe you're just a casual wannabe fan who likes to follow the general complaints of the more devoted fans, not realizing these are trivial little nuisances to us. We find some of these new scenes annoying(even me), but plenty of original scenes left in the print are as annoying or worse. Anyone can look past these flaws and pay attention to what's at heart in these films.

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Have you ever heard of the phrase "agree to disagree"? 

You say I'm obsessive compulsive because I don't like the changes made to the originals, yet you'll chase every comment I make about it by trying to tell me how stupid my opinion is compared to yours.  Since you apparently can't handle someone with a different opinion than your own without trying to illustrate how right your subjective opinion is with a lot of silly, sweeping generalizations, I'll give you some advice for the real world:  People are going to have different opinions than yours!  Just because you label yourself as a "devoted" Star Wars fan or something doesn't make your opinions any more correct, no matter how much you'd like to believe otherwise.  When we're talking about movies, there's no such thing as an absolute right or wrong opinion because everybody gets a different experience out of seeing a film. Deal with it, it'll help your ulcer.

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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Lucas has gotten too reliant on CGI too, and loves

What's funny is you praise Episode III so much, and it's completely done in CGI.

Hypocrite.

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EDIT: Bah, forget it. I'm in a bad mood.

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Agreed with what's been stated....and its important to point out that a fan being a "casual" fan doesn't make their opinion any less valid.  This series thrives on its casual fans even more then its hardcore fans.  The casual fans loved seeing the original movies and want to be able to own them on dvd.  Even many of the ones that are aware of the changes (which is probably most or a good majority, considering the highly publicity "special editions", and that many of the changes stand out like a sore thumb even if you haven't seen the actual films in years) are understandably pissed that they can't just get these films they way they remember them.  Even if they don't notice the small edits, the notice that the some of the scenes lag, the new effects don't mesh well with the original effects and thus tend to pull the viewer out of the story, and that, yes, the entire point of the Greedo scene is ruined (it may seem small, but its one of the most famous scenes in the series and probably all of cinema, so changing it is sort of like changing the opening of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" or changing how Charles Foster Kane gets rich or something).

And I don't think someone has to view the latest version to judge them.  For one thing, most people who complain saw the 1997 version s at the very least, and already made up their minds on them.  Many of the changes there are the same.  And because we also know what the newest changes were, its easy enough for us to say that many of them just aren't to our tastes for various reasons.  Many of us don't like gungans, so the idea of them being in ROTJ is annoying.  The emotional moment at the end of that same film is firmly ingrained in many of our minds, so the change is irritating regardless of the reasoning behind it.  Boba Fett's new voice frankly ruins his lines and some of the mystique behind the character (though in this case I'll admit that some may be criticizing unfairly, as you sort of need to hear the lines to truly criticize them.  Personally, I listened to clips of them and found them really awful, so I feel okay speaking my mind on them).

And then, there's again just the principle of it.....this isn't just fans complaining, this is film historians as well who are worried about what is going to happen to these movies that revolutionized cinema all that time ago.  The issue can't just be ignored out of personal taste, because the originals (owned by Lucas) are evidentantally being phased out forever.

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Originally posted by ShortRoundMcfly:
If you sit down and watch them, you'll find they are the same movies and if you can't except that, you likely have not enjoyed it in the first place.

You know what?  I sat down and watched the "special" edition of Return of the Jedi last Sunday when it was on TV, and I'm going to have to disagree with you.  I had never seen the altered version of Jedi before, but I figured that if it didn't involve an experienced bounty hunter shooting at and missing a target less than five feet away, it couldn't be that bad.  It still didn't live up to my lowered expectations, though.

None of the added CGI effects were any good.  They looked fake and unconvincing.  The worst was the Sarlacc.  The added CGI not only made it look less menacing than it originally did, but also made it look like even more of a rip-off of the sandworms from Frank Herbert's Dune than it already was.

After leaving Tatooine, things got a bit better, and I was almost able to believe that I was watching the same movie that I had seen in the theater back when it first came out ...until the very end.  There was no Ewok song!  There were some pointless and unnecessary scenes of celebrations on other planets spliced in, and then the final scenes of the original film were shown, but instead of the Ewok song there was some out of place instrumental music dubbed over them.  I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem like the end of the Star Wars trilogy without the Ewok song.

The next time the "special" edition is on TV, if I feel like watching Return of the Jedi I'll just pop in the tape and watch the real one.  I want my Ewok song, damn it.

[Reply #48 on:]

Yub yub, David A.  Yub yub.

[Reply #49 on:]

It's "yub nub", not "yub yub".

Thanks anyway, Nix.

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Originally posted by NibblerJr:
 What's funny is you praise Episode III so much, and it's completely done in CGI.

Hypocrite.

We're talking about the classics, moron.
And you are the hypocrite thinking Attack of the Clones is better than A New Hope. So burn.

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David: Michael A. Stackpole says it's "Yub yub."  Not that he's necessarily right, I just thought I'd mention it.  In fact, that whole running joke was one of the best things in the X-Wing series (not hard in my opinion, but that's neither here nor there.)

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This page says "yub nub".  So does this one; and this one does too.  Even Zach Braff says that it's "yub nub", and he works with a guy who was in a movie with Harrison Ford.

Either way, it just isn't Return of the Jedi without the Ewok song.

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Lol. too bad you cant go back and check. 
I have the videos lying around somewhere, the non altered ones. I should encode them.

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Originally posted by Col. Klink:
Lol. too bad you cant go back and check.

Ha ha.  Yeah, that's true, except for the fact that I can check whenever I feel like it.  I have the originals on tape.  They're only a few feet away from me as I type this.

Also, if you click the first link in my last post, you can listen to a .wav file of the Ewok song.  I was listening to it earlier, but it's pretty hard to tell if they're actually singing "yub nub" or "yub yub".  I've always thought that it was "yub nub" though.

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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
And you are the hypocrite thinking Attack of the Clones is better than A New Hope.

That makes no sense at all.  Do you even know what the word "hypocrite" means?

@DavidA: Yub yub sounds better.

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He's right. Since theres no way to know for sure I declare Nix the winner for ever and ever.

[Reply #57 on:]

What? I'm just saying that A New Hope is better than Attack of The Clones.

I hated Clones, It was one of the most boring movies out of the lot. Make fun of me if you want, I know where I stand.

[Reply #58 on:]

The old ones are 10 times better than the newest 2 (havnt seen ep3). As for whether they should be re-released: sure, why not; I don't really care.

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Actually I was referring to the Ewok debate.
Yeah, I guess your right. It kinda was, but why does everyone had gungans so much?

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I'm interested to see the un-edited originals again, in a nostalgic midnight movie kind of way. But having bought the DVDs, overall I'm content with the updated changes. I mean, if these movies are meant to be watched in their true running order, it's an inevitable necessity to tweak Eps 4-6 so it can hang with the "newer older" episodes...from a visual continuity standpoint, anyway... 

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Originally posted by Nixorbo:
@DavidA: Yub yub sounds better.

Either way sounds better than no Ewok song at all.

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Originally posted by quagmire:
I'm interested to see the un-edited originals again, in a nostalgic midnight movie kind of way. But having bought the DVDs, overall I'm content with the updated changes. I mean, if these movies are meant to be watched in their true running order, it's an inevitable necessity to tweak Eps 4-6 so it can hang with the "newer older" episodes...from a visual continuity standpoint, anyway... 

But they cant "Hang" that the whole point. As I pointed out, even if you updated all the special effects the style of the movies would still be from the 70's.

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Originally posted by Col. Klink:
why does everyone had gungans so much?

I assume you mean hate and that is because they are lame and annoying. Very annoying.

[Reply #64 on:]

Gungans are annoying, and they made the humour of the movies more childlike and annoying. Give me Threepeo bantering on anyday.

Not to mention Jar Jar must be offensive to African Americans since he's like the alien walking slave sterotype.

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Gungans are'nt that bad its just Jar jar thats annoying,  No wonder he got kicked out of the city

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Originally posted by Col. Klink:
 But they cant "Hang" that the whole point. As I pointed out, even if you updated all the special effects the style of the movies would still be from the 70's.

I dunno...that might be something more noticable to older fans, but I think most younger fans are either oblivious or don't care about what "70's specific" styles crept into the movies. For example, one of my younger friends stopped over while I was in the middle of watching Return Of The Jedi (DVD edition), and he was clearly impressed with what he saw...and considering he saw Ep III earlier that day, that's saying something. An older fan might notice certain styles from the period ROTJ was originally released in, but to my friend, it was just another SW episode with extravagant costumes & settings... 

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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
What? I'm just saying that A New Hope is better than Attack of The Clones.

I hated Clones, It was one of the most boring movies out of the lot. Make fun of me if you want, I know where I stand.

I'm not making fun of you for liking ANH better than Clones, I'm making fun of you for using the term "hypocrite" in a way that makes no sense at all.

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Okay, I was stupid. NJ just annoys me sometimes, all prequal fanboys too.

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I think they should be available, but probably through mail-order, as we want to save shop space for the 13+disc DVD boxset of all six!

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I'd be quite happy with a box containing eps 3,4,5 and 6, with unedited originals.

I don't see the point in changing the originals in any way. A few bits of added CGI isn't suddenly going to make the effects up to the standard of the prequels, and buggering about with voices/ small details is pointless. Casual fans won't notice or care, devoted fans just end up pissed with them.

Lucas probably won't budge on this one though - although if demand is high, then it would be a nice little moneyspinner to release them in a horribly expensive '5000 copies worldwide only' package 

Editing does make sense in some scenes though, and who knows, maybe Mr. L will go through episode 1 in a few years time. It would be so easy to remove certain characters made entirely from cgi...

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Originally posted by quagmire:
 I dunno...that might be something more noticable to older fans, but I think most younger fans are either oblivious or don't care about what "70's specific" styles crept into the movies. For example, one of my younger friends stopped over while I was in the middle of watching Return Of The Jedi (DVD edition), and he was clearly impressed with what he saw...and considering he saw Ep III earlier that day, that's saying something. An older fan might notice certain styles from the period ROTJ was originally released in, but to my friend, it was just another SW episode with extravagant costumes & settings... 

Luke Skywalker Had Helmet hair for goodness sake. Ands its not just the costumes. Its the whole scope of the movies, they are directed in totally different styles.


They do not mesh well. They will neverbe able to sit side by side, they will always be two seperate series of movies. I loved the special effects in the originals, especially in the last two. They are great for their time, and they should be appreciated for that. Its just not right to deny that they ever existed.

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Originally posted by NibblerJr:
 What's funny is you praise Episode III so much, and it's completely done in CGI.

Hypocrite.

Hidi-Ho folks i'm back.

Actually NibblerJr, Episode III contains MORE traditional model work than the entire original trilogy combined! Because it looks so incredible you just assume it was CGI. Take a look at some of the behind the scenes images and articles.

That incredible lava environment Mustaffar, CGI? No, a incredibly detailed model. Same with that cool sinkole city in Utapau and the Wookie homeworld Kashyyk. There's also loads of alien characters created using traditional makeup effects and prothetics. Sure there are a huge amount of digital character and other elelments composited into the model shots later on, but it's very ignorant to write of the effects as "just CGI" (as if there's anything wrong with that anyway).

Oh, by the way I thought episode three was fantastic. Certainly up there with Empire, maybe even better? Can't decide yet.

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No...I meant that everything was done in a studio.

None of it was filmed on location.

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I shall have a look at my Making of the Sith DVD that came with the SE to confirm this.

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Originally posted by NibblerJr:
None of it was filmed on location.

Except Tatooine.

[Reply #76 on:]

 http://impstherelentless.com/

I take back everything I ever said about CGI. Bit Torrent application needed.

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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
I shall have a look at my Making of the Sith DVD that came with the SE to confirm this.

I'll rub on my magic 8 penis and ask it the answers to the questions I desire.

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If there is anyone from engand,do you have the sun and news of the world dvd for it?

[Reply #79 on:]

It's overrated.