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DotheBartman

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« Reply #360 on: 12-04-2005 05:18 »

 
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Originally posted by GreyThinkyWhale:
I wish they'd actually do something with the relationships in the Simpsons!

Just curious, what exactly do mean by this?  Do you mean for instance that Marge should have stayed in the group and appeared with them in later episodes?

And the plot was weak, definitely...but I can't find fault with them going back to square one most times.  It just isn't meant to be a continuous show, and many of the actual changes (Apu forms a family, Barney quits drinking, Maude dies, etc.) have been for the worse.  It's better if you can pop in any random episodes and have them mostly make sense regardless of the order you watch them in.

As a trivia note, on NHC recently Josh Weinstein said that in the early stages of coming up with "Who Shot Mr. Burns?", Barney was going to be the shooter....and they were actually going to have him be in jail for the rest of the series after that.

Roy Bluth

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« Reply #361 on: 12-04-2005 15:32 »

That would have been pretty funny.

Would he still be drunk?
DotheBartman

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« Reply #362 on: 12-04-2005 15:47 »

 
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Originally posted by Roy Bluth:

Would he still be drunk?

Who knows.  Weinstein didn't say...obviously his character would have gone down a different path, so they probably wouldn't do the sobering-up episode, but I guess realistically he probably wouldn't be able to keep drinking in prison, unless Moe snuck booze in or something...

I wonder if they would have even still used Barney much.  He's kind of fallen the way-side anyway, but what would they do with him if he was in prison?

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« Reply #363 on: 12-04-2005 16:02 »

Maybe they could have been the original Prison Break, having Barney try to escape, not to mention he fact that Springfield doesn't exactly have a top of the line police force.
evan

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« Reply #364 on: 12-04-2005 17:29 »

That would have been interesting. Even when I saw "Who Shot Mr. Burns?" when it first aired, I had a hard time believing that there would be any real lasting change to the series afterwards. If Barney was fingered as the killer, well, that would have been huge. At the time, he was a pretty major minor character to the show. Putting him in prison would amount to writing him out of the series.

In retrospect, that might not have been so bad. Aside from him temporarily sobering up, I can't remember anything really memorable Barney's done in quite a while. At least in prison his role in the show would change.

I can understand both DtB and GTW's positions on change in the Simpsons. While some change in the characters is good, sticking to continuity would be difficult at best. The show is mostly continuity-free between episodes, because of the flexible reality the writers have mentioned. If there was continuity, then we'd have things like debates over Bart and Lisa aging and whatnot. However, some change is not a bad thing. I don't hate Apu and Manjula or some of the big changes, but I can see how it frustrates some people.

If the show had gone on for a shorter period of time, we wouldn't have this discussion. I think the partial continuity and expansion of characterization are problems that come across because the writers have limited themselves with what they can do.
mcl6525

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« Reply #365 on: 12-04-2005 17:56 »

they have to do character changes (like barney) to kepp poeple interested, and not get repetitive.

o ya. repaeats are on tonight for the simpsons
Beamer

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« Reply #366 on: 12-04-2005 21:30 »

The Barney change sucked, it completely destroyed his character. It's a shame too, since the episode where he quit drinking was actually one of the few episodes from Season 11 that I enjoyed. I never expected it to be a permanent change, either - the ending of that episode lead me to believe that he'd be a drunk again in the next episode.

Anyway, I saw Treehouse of Horror XVI and Marge's Son Posioning lately. Here are my reviews.

Treehouse of Horror XVI

INTRO
When I read that this would involve Kang and Kodos trying to cause a wormhole so the Halloween show airs on time, I thought this would be a very funny intro full of great in-jokes and digs at Fox. Instead, it was a lame, one-joke skit that ate up TWO MINUTES of time. No wonder all the other segments felt rushed.
C-

BARTIFICIAL INTELIGENCE
Eh, it was decent. A good parody of AI, but would make absolutely no sense to someone who didn't see the movie. Unfortunately, like AI, this dragged on for much longer than it should, and really ended nowhere.
C+

SURVIVAL OF THE FATTEST
This was probably the best segment of the episode, but it still wasn't that great. I didn't get into it until a repeat viewing, and even then, it just felt off. Should've been a lot funnier, and it would've been nice if they took it in a different direction to make it more Halloween-y. Still, not bad.
B

I'VE GROWN A COSTUME ON YOUR FACE
Now, this segment was a real shame. Out of all the storylines, this one was easily the best - it was clever, and (as far as I know) original. Unfortunately, it was really rushed, and the structure was just plain weird. We had the setup, the problem, and then an immediate sollution which turns into another problem, then that's it? More time should've been devoted to this segment to make it work. Maybe an extra scene with Lisa trying to teach Maggie the trick or something to at least smooth the storyline over. Another victim of rushing...
C+

Overall, a pretty lousy Halloween special, I thought. However, it DID successfully re-create the atmosphere of some of the earlier Halloween episodes that I've felt were lacking from more recent editions, and wasn't as bad as last year's one (or Season 14's, for that matter). I still think the best RECENT Halloween episode was Treehouse of Horror XIV, though.
C+

Marge's Son Poisoning

Hmmm, this episode was weird. I only saw it once, but I think I might have to watch it again to nail my opinion. The storyline just didn't work for me - and unlike usual Simpsons episodes where they do a strange story in such a way that you can believe it, Bart just felt out-of-characer through most of this episode for my liking, even if he did have a reason to be. Not as much as the bullies though... what an unfunny ending. The sub-plot went nowhere, the episode felt very slow-moving, and overall, it just really didn't make me laugh at all.

C-

The start of Season 17 looks like it's having the same problems that the start of Season 16 had. They've had some decent (though repetitive) storylines and there's plenty of good character exploration, but they're severely lacking in the laugh department. At the end of the day, The Simpsons is a comedy first before anything. While I DO like the character-based episodes - if I'm not laughing, I'm not enjoying it. Even the more emotional episodes like Lisa's Substitute and Mother Simpson had plenty of funny moments. I'm hoping this season will do what Season 16 did and pick up just before the halfway point...
BenderNeedBooze

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« Reply #367 on: 12-11-2005 05:24 »

What's marge's son poisoning? The one when bart gets fat
mcl6525

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« Reply #368 on: 12-11-2005 10:25 »

 
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Originally posted by BenderNeedBooze:
What's marge's son poisoning? The one when bart gets fat
no he started to ride his bike with his mom and drink tea and stuff like that.

IDIOTSVILLE

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« Reply #369 on: 12-11-2005 10:35 »

Who's your favorite character in the simpsons?
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #370 on: 12-11-2005 16:07 »

Hmm... For me that's a tough question. I've always loved Lisa (mostly for brains I'll never have and playing a sax). So I suppose she's my fave. Homer also rocks.
mcl6525

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« Reply #371 on: 12-11-2005 17:23 »

Bart is the best for me. his pranks are timeless.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #372 on: 12-11-2005 20:25 »

The Italian Bob was great. Loved that they returned to Bob. I laughed out loud when...
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #373 on: 12-11-2005 20:43 »

Agreed.  That episode was head-and-massive dreadlocks above some of their other recent stuff, even though it brought back two of the most-used clichés in the Simpsons (Bob and vacation episodes.)  When I have a son, I want him to be like Bob's.

Pros:
+ Involving Homer's actual job at some point.
+ The 100% accurate Italian stereotypes
+ "Your burn sucked.  Ha ha!"
+ Homer's rant about Italy's unification
+ "Plagiarismo de plagiarismo."  Might have gone over the line of professionalism a bit, but still hilarious.
+ Drunk kids are funny.
+ Bob singing Puaccinni, or however your spell it.

Cons
- It's a Simpsons are going to... episode
- Severely abrupt ending with no real payoff
mcl6525

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« Reply #374 on: 12-11-2005 21:20 »

That was a great episode. you forgot to mention sideshow bobs son, hes my new favorite character.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #375 on: 12-11-2005 22:18 »

Interesting that my review seems to be more negative then most peoples' this week (here and at No Homers).  Here's the review anyway:

This episode had an interesting premise, and it did start off pretty well. The whole first act was funny and thankfully got most of the "Simpsons in another foreign country" stuff out of the way early. I thought as it was first going along that this would be a good outing, and do something interesting with Sideshow Bob again.

And yet, after seeing the rest of the episode, I have that nagging feeling that it shouldn't have been made. Honestly, the writing of the main story was really pretty sloppy, almost fan-fictiony. If it had been all about Bob really trying to redeem himself and start a new life that would have been interesting; perhaps after he was revealed to be a crook he could have tried to win back his family and the town, or something like that. But this all just felt like a lazy way to get Bob chasing after the Simpsons again. A lot of things didn't make sense (did he never take off his prison uniform or something? Why did his wife randomly decide to try murder? etc.) and things seemed to just sort of "happen". The whole third act with the play and such was just silly, and felt like a saturday morning cartoon. And the worst part of all this is that now the new family can't simply be written out of the show; if they ever do another Bob episode they'll have to be a part of it, and since they weren't interesting at all, that's going to be a problem.

There were definitely some good gags even in acts two and three (the "American Dad" thing had me cracking up), but things were sort of uneven in that regard too, and coupled with a pretty lousy, uninteresting story, this episode couldn't really be saved. C-

I should probably give this another viewing though, as it's kind of a weird episode.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #376 on: 12-13-2005 01:41 »

 
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A lot of things didn't make sense (did he never take off his prison uniform or something? Why did his wife randomly decide to try murder?
Just thought I'd address these.  Respectively,
1) That was pretty much a lazy way of making Lisa's revelations unquestionable.  No, it made no logical sense, but I found the sheer randomness of it rather funny.
2) That's how Italians actually think.  Someone insults you?  Knife them.  Cuts you off on the highway?  Submachine gun.  It's a rather horrible national cliché.

I will admit the episode might have been a little more fulfilling if they actually went the redemption route with Bob, but the little kid running around with a knife shouting Vendetta! Vendetta! was funny enough to make me somewhat appreciative, as was the Godfather homage at the end.
David A

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« Reply #377 on: 12-13-2005 13:57 »

 
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Originally posted by i_c_weiner:
"Plagerismo il Plagerismo"(not sure if it was "il", but something like that).

 
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Originally posted by Nerd-o-rama:
"Plagiarismo de plagiarismo."

The conjunction that you kids are looking for is "di", which is Italian for "of".  "Il" means "the".  "De" is Spanish.
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #378 on: 12-13-2005 22:29 »

My parents bought me season 7 yesterday for x-mas. I love them episode.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #379 on: 12-14-2005 20:33 »
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I saw the Season 7 Marge Head Cover. It's odd. I'd rather get that than the alternative cover. The alternative should've been a Couch Gag one. I'll surely put it on my list...Christmas list.

Oh, and if it hasn't been posted, I found this on Wikipedia...
GreyThinkyWhale

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« Reply #380 on: 12-14-2005 21:39 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 Just curious, what exactly do mean by this?  Do you mean for instance that Marge should have stayed in the group and appeared with them in later episodes?
What? The minor characters anyways. I was referring to the Kirk and Louanne(?) Van Houten. Also, Lisa and Milhouse, but they could have at least had a better breakup storyline.

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The Sideshow Bob episode wasn't bad, what with it being a sideshow Bob episode, but it wasn't great (to be expected). In comparison to other eps this season, it was pretty good.
Jay

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« Reply #381 on: 12-16-2005 18:13 »

The season seven set rules, and the alternative box kicks the shit out of the Marge head, which looks cheap and tacky by comparison.  The commentaries on this set are some of the most informative since the season 3 and 4 ones, although none of them quite top the commentary for "A Star is Burns", which was probably my favorite commentary track yet, in spite of Ken Keeler getting about a sentence in edgewise.
CrapBag

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« Reply #382 on: 12-17-2005 18:48 »

http://broadband.foxhome.com/simpsons7/simpsons_homershead_hi.asx this is just a simpson commentary thing that i found. it plays in windows media. tell me if it works
thought some of you may appreciate it
tyraniak

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« Reply #383 on: 12-17-2005 19:23 »

I can't wait to get 7 for christmas, I especially love that they show stuff you don't see on TV anymore due to the shortening of syndication.  The commentaries are also entertaining and insightful in an obsessive nerd kind of way
Lee Roberts

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« Reply #384 on: 12-17-2005 22:25 »

New episode in the UK today... Treehouse of Horror 16. Been looking forward to this one since I saw the framegrabs for em'... a while back *annoyed face*
tyraniak

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« Reply #385 on: 12-17-2005 23:42 »

It's a pretty shitty Treehouse, not that funny
Spawn_3005

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« Reply #386 on: 12-18-2005 21:28 »
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I thought tonights episode was pretty funny. Although the black comment during Abe Simpsons story was out of place on that show, what do they think they are, Aqua Teen Hunger Force?

Help: I saw this show on Adult Swim a couple weeks ago, and I don't know the name. It's along the lines of "The Ellingville Club", I've had no luck looking it up. Any help would be appreciated.
Jay

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« Reply #387 on: 12-18-2005 23:19 »

"Welcome to Eltingville"?  That only had one ep, and it's about four years old.  Tonight's show was funny, and the seventh season set just gets better and better as I keep watching it.  The commentaries are fantastic.
Spawn_3005

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« Reply #388 on: 12-18-2005 23:28 »

The seventh season is out already? Where have I been?

Thanks for the info, sad about there being only one episode. It was a funny show.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #389 on: 12-19-2005 15:44 »

My "Simpsons Christmas Stories" review at NHC is rather long, so I'll just sum it up here and let anyone who wants to read the long version over there.  First two acts were bad, last was great, overall very uneven and not-quite passable episode.  And they need to stop doing these trilogies.  C/C-

Season seven dvd is indeed great.  Highly reccomended.  I won't spoil it but Wesley Archer tells a really priceless story from his childhood on the "Two Bad Neighbors" track that just fits that episode so perfectly.
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #390 on: 12-19-2005 16:11 »

For the Christmas episode, they really shoulda made the whole episode (or most of it) continue after the first part ended, though Homer's line saying Jesus became Jesus was funny.. and Bart was really cute  smile *all hail quacky*
mcl6525

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« Reply #391 on: 12-19-2005 17:01 »

I didnt like the christmas ep. And the krusty thing where he has hea flashback from 1969(i think) sideshow mel is in, it should be sideshowbob.
Beamer

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« Reply #392 on: 12-19-2005 17:46 »

Well, I haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on that particular scene, but keep in mind these sorts of episodes are usually all fantasies anyway.

Not looking forward to this Christmas episode. Any non-Halloween episode with three fantasy stories (Simpson Bible Stories, Tales from the Public Domain, Margical History Tour) sucks, with the exception of The Simpsons Spin-off Showcase... which did suck, but was funny since it was on purpose.  tongue
badpinkmummy

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« Reply #393 on: 01-03-2006 16:03 »

Simpsons are sell-outs they used to be great and now they constantly having guest stars and there rarely is a great episode anymore, simpsons you're not needed anymore, new Groening show!
Yardstick2006

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« Reply #394 on: 01-03-2006 16:29 »

Agree with every thing exept them constantly having guest stars. They seem to be impooving in that aera
homerjaysimpson

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« Reply #395 on: 01-08-2006 20:32 »

Today's episode was the only new episode I saw this season. I'm so glad I'm not missing out on much. Grampa isn't Homer's father! omg! lol! bqq! nbc! upn!  tongue
mcl6525

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« Reply #396 on: 01-09-2006 15:19 »

didnt you see the end grandpa was his dad.
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« Reply #397 on: 01-15-2006 13:40 »
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Sky1 is very good. they are showing The one where they went to Italy and met Sideshow Bob

Ah that was funny!



mcl6525

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« Reply #398 on: 01-15-2006 19:11 »

how did you get those screenshots??i want to show it to my friends who are obsessed with family guy.
Beamer

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« Reply #399 on: 01-16-2006 21:32 »

I saw The Italian Bob... probably tied with See Homer Run as the best episode of the season so far, but still average in comparison to Season 16. Better than most "Simpsons go to another country" episodes, but I expected more from a Sideshow Bob episode (even if the last 2 kinda sucked).

The whole thing just felt really rushed at some points, but then went too slow at other points. Act 1 was very fast-moving and had quite a few funny moments, Act 2 was a bit slow though still had some decent bits, and Act 3 was when it went from interesting to "typical Sideshow Bob episode."

The whole thing with Mr. Burns' car went unresolved, the ending was abrupt, and Sideshow Bob's son annoyed the shit out of me... though I don't think it's necessarily a case of them permanently being a part of Sideshow Bob's storyline now like DoTheBartman suggested. I could easily see an upcoming Sideshow Bob episode where his family leaves him and that'd be the main focus of his storyline... he might even try to take revenge specifically on Lisa next time instead of Bart, since she's the one who blew his cover. Either way, The Italian Bob was pretty average. Season 17 is STILL lacking in humour, though...

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