Nixorbo
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::Standing ovation::
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~FazeShift~
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Originally posted by FishyJoe: the guy who played Palpatine Ian McDiarmid! And it says Star Wars on your shirt too... Haha. I thought she was ok in Garden State, and I certainly enjoyed her ass-acting ("That's using your ass!" ) in Closer, from the short clips of certian scenes I've seen.
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i_c_weiner
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The only problem with Revenge of the Sith was the CGI. It looked awesome, but there was too much of it and not enough real sets. It's just that I like some good old fashioned sets.
Also, they seemed to have more big name actors than they did in the Originals. George said he wanted to make no names into somebodies with the first ones, but why did he go all out with the big names in this trilogy?
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Nurdbot
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Indeed, CGI might look great but I crave for the old school rubber monsters, sets and models.
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Nixorbo
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CGI > Stop motion, though.
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Nurdbot
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Nothing like that, But it gets tiresome like with everything overused. It also reminds us of Jar Jar. If you ever own the Special Edition DVD, you see CGI has been done quite poorly and makes you wish for the Originals. For example, the guy who did Vader's Lightsaber which was originally rotoscoped or just painted over kept his cursor over the renamed light red, which was once known to some as pink.
Not to mention it sort of, takes jobs. Which some people spent years of their life learning to do.
CGI is great if used in the bits where stop motion situations just look unrealistic. If you use CGI for freaking everything including props and background it not only dulls the watchers senses but also the actors.
Maybe the reason why some of them didn't act so well because they had nothing to act with but Lucas reading aloud from his own script and making vague gestures. Or maybe they just suck no matter what they had to aid them.
There are some situations where CGI has more or less worked out in Star Wars, like the space battles which didn't have to use the same 3 TIE Fighters and same X-Wing model over and over again.
Heh, It's a double pointed sword.
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Nurdbot
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True. Also, think of the poor unemployed stuntmen who still have a full set of limbs.
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i_c_weiner
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Originally posted by Ben: Riiight, rubber monsters and stop-frame puppets are better than CGI. Now I've heard everything.
I really wonder at what point in time it became so punkasfuck for armchair critics to be anti-digital. "Oh my, no 16mp digital camera could ever be a match for my piece of shit 35mm compact SLR. I don't have any technical measurements to back up my illogical discriminations, but hey, that just makes me more trendy. Down with the WTO too!" Nightmare Before Christmas, James and the Giant Peach, and Corpse Bride were all stop motion, if you remember. They didn't look bad. In fact, they look better, in a sense of comparing an animated look to a realistic look, than the CGI of stuntmen, the R2-D2 fire scene, and some other points in the movies.
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Nixorbo
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Originally posted by evan: Objects should look "real," with all the dings and scrapes they normally have. Or look at Firefly/Serenity - not the most technilogically-advanced CGI, but it is dirty, it is gritty, and that lends a better sense of realism to it. Of course, the camerawork helps as well (I ::heart:: the "dirty zoom," as I like to call it.)
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Nurdbot
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If they ever release a SE DVD Prequal Boxset, I wish they would at least improve some of the CGI mistakes like with Yoda the TPM and completely edit Jar Jar Out.
Though the last one would rock, I expect it won't happen.
A good example of CGI was with the battle of Coruscant in Revenge Of The Sith.
So...anyone hear anything more about that series?
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Gocad
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Originally posted by Ben: Riiight, rubber monsters and stop-frame puppets are better than CGI. Now I've heard everything. From a certain point of view they are. Animatronic devices (if properly made and filmed) are known to look more 'real' than CGI. One example: When 'The Mummy' was released, one of the sfx crew that had they used an animatronic mummy instead of a CGI one they never would have received a PG rating, because the use of CGI made it look less scary.
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Nurdbot
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Originally posted by Ben: You fool. Yoda was a puppet in TPM. Who looked even worse with the CGI.
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Nurdbot
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UGLY PUPPET YODA FROM THE PHANTOM MENACE.
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Nurdbot
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Was there any CGI Yoda in The Phantom Menace?
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Nurdbot
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Did I say CGI Yoda sucked? End of argument.
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FishyJoe
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By Ben: Oh, and by the way, there was a good portion of CGI in The Corpse Bride. The fact that it's integrated so well reinforces my point. I'd say the fact that it was integrated so well points more to the quality of stop-motion than the quality of CGI. I swear, when I saw the movie(well, three fourths of the movie--my movie theater had a fire and we had to be evacuated by the end, and I still haven't felt like going to see the end of it), I thought the entire thing was CGI. The animation was too smooth, and the camera moved around too much. When I heard from someone else that it was all stop-motion, I didn't believe it. Now that you say that there was a good amount of CGI, it makes sense. Still--if even half of the movie was filmed with stop-motion effects, I am seriously impressed. As for the whole CGI debate, I thought most of the "stunt doubles" were easily noticeable in Attack of the Clones. I didn't notice them at all in Revenge of the Sith(well, except for ONE instance with Christopher Lee). I'm not sure if it's because the technology has gotten better, or if it's because I didn't follow the "behind the scenes" action for Revenge of the Sith. I knew pretty much every detail about Attack of the Clones before it came out, which definitely lessened my enjoyment of the movie since all I had left to do was notice the bad acting and nitpick at the special effects. So yeah. Generally, I'm against CGI when models or stuntmen or makeup are feasible. But if it looks as good or better, who am I to complain? The bottom line is, make it good. I don't care how you do it--models, CGI, paper airplanes being thrown across camera-view while the director makes zooming noises--if it looks good, then it doesn't matter.
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i_c_weiner
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Corpse Bride didn't have CGI. They used a combination of digital camera technology with the traditional stop-motion technique to do the film. It was the first stop-motion film to use a digital camera to take shots. The circle shots, such as the one where the Corpse Bride corners Victor on the bridge, used moving cameras, as seen in the Nightmare Before Christmas. Where did you get the information that there was CGI in that film?
Anyway, I liked Yoda in TPM, thought it was a lot more realistic than some of the up close CGI Yoda shots, though I loved the kick-ass lightsaber CGI Yoda.
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Nixorbo
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Nurdbot, there are times when I couldn't disagree with you more. This is one of those times.
::Huggles the little green pinball of doom::
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Nurdbot
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The puppet looked great in the late eighties Nix, but it did look a little scrappy with the advanced CGI Coruscant in the background and being right next to Samuel L Jackson.
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Nurdbot
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That forehead is perfect enough! It needs no CGI!
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Nurdbot
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Yeah, but you can still crush other people in many different things. Variety is what makes life worth it for you.
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