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i_c_weiner

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« Reply #40 on: 04-20-2005 19:50 »
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On the better relationship, I'll go with Han and Leia. Nothing beats the seen at the Carbon Freezing Chamber where Leia says "I love you" and Han says "I know." I love it!

On the Hayden in RotJ, I don't like it. It should be the same image of Vader Unmasked instead of Anakin Before Vader. When Vader was unmasked, that was the turning point of his character, showing he could/had gone back to the light side.

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« Reply #41 on: 04-20-2005 19:59 »

God dammit, that's the lamest dance ever (disregarding some of Zeep's and the ones seen in the on-topic sections)

I see you and I have pretty much  the same opinion about the Bespin carbon freezing chamber scene. I just think the ping-pong works best in ANH.
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« Reply #42 on: 04-20-2005 19:59 »
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So I have a question for you bigger nerds: what determines whether a Jedi fades to nothing when he dies?

Qui-gon Jinn: Impaled by Darth Maul, doesn't fade.
Various Jedi Knights in Ep II: Shot, don't fade as far as I can tell.
Obi-Wan: Lets Vader slash him, fades.
Yoda: Dies of old age, fades.
Anakin: Dies of equipment failure/electrocution, doesn't fade.

Both dead Sith we've seen fall down a pit, though we can see Maul doesn't fade.

We see Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin as "ghosts," so that doesn't seem to be necessarily connected.  Dead Jedi that don't fade get funeral pyres.

What causes the fading out, then?

PS: The carbon freeze scene is my favorite in the entire series not involving lasers of some sort.
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« Reply #43 on: 04-20-2005 20:08 »

Theory 1:
It's the good they've done as far as we can see.

We have no idea what Qui-gon has done, therefore, he doesn't fade. This being the same with the Jedi in Episode II.

Yoda and Obi Won have done great things that we've seen, so they get to be faded.

And Anakin hasn't done good, other than Episode II battle, so he didn't fade. And whose to say Anakin didn't fade away after Luke left Death Star 2?
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« Reply #44 on: 04-20-2005 20:14 »

Isn't there some crazy rumor about Lucas explaining all that in ep3, something to do with Qui-Gon being the first to figure it out or something? I dunno.

My guess WOULD be that Jedi that die by their own choosing fade away. Obi-wan (by allowing himself to be sliced) and Yoda had control over the time and place of their deaths, where the others (Anakin, Qui-gon, various AOTC Jedi) die in battle, unexpectedly (or shortly after battle from lethal wounds).  My theory may easily fall to pieces upon closer examination, but at a glance, it seems to work. The easier explanation is, of course, that Lucas screwed up. That's a popular explanation for a lot of things.
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« Reply #45 on: 04-20-2005 20:22 »

I think Ranadok's theory has some crediblity. The only thing is Anakin died after a "choice", being to through the Emperor into the shaft, leading to Anakin to be electricuted. That would be my only flaw in that theory.
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« Reply #46 on: 04-20-2005 20:23 »

Ranadok stole my theory, which I actually figured out by myself... The un-Vaderized Anakin didn't choose his own passing, since his electronics were failing and he didn't have the wherewithall (nor the  will) to keep alive through the force. So his malfunctioning gadgetry killed him and thus, the theory stays intact so far.
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« Reply #47 on: 04-20-2005 20:26 »

I always thought it had to do with being able to become one with the Force.  Obi-Wan had time as he stood there to prepare, and Yoda was just chilling anyway.  Qui-gon, on the other hand, got gutted before he had a chance.  Vader, I'm still not convinced he didn't fade.
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« Reply #48 on: 04-20-2005 20:30 »
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Well, Nix's theory is kind of what I was getting at as well. Jedi that were able to choose their death were able to prepare to become one with the Force.  As for Vader, did he know that he was going to die when he grabbed Palpatine, or did he just not care/know what the results would be? After all, when Jedi enter into battle in general, they must know that they have the possibility of being killed, but they don't fade when killed (by this theory, anyhow).
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« Reply #49 on: 04-20-2005 20:36 »
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I don't believe that you don't become one with the force just because you don't choose to perish by yourrself. As I explained, Anakin can't push it anymore, but I think Yoda could have held on a fair bit longer, and Obi-Wan, being a master of defensive saber duelling (form 2, I think, according to the Star Wars magazine), could have held his own against Vader indefiniteliy, but he knew he couldn't hope to defeat him, so he chose to lower his defenses.
Anakin might have wanted to absorb every bit of his newfound connection to the light side and his reuniting with his son, so he might not have been in the right meditative state for him to fade. If he did fade, then I think a point would have been made to have us see it. Otherwise, I might as easily suggest that all the Jedi that were killed on Geonisis did fade when the cameras had finished rolling.
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« Reply #50 on: 04-20-2005 20:52 »

 
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Isn't there some crazy rumor about Lucas explaining all that in ep3, something to do with Qui-Gon being the first to figure it out or something? I dunno.

That's no rumour, that's a space station fact! Check the novelisation.

Apparently, Qui-Gon does the ghost thing without ever fading. Which is inconsistent with the rest of the series, but there you do.
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« Reply #51 on: 04-20-2005 20:54 »

So that is the fact right there. All Jedi become ghost, fade away or not. This means the only problem is with how a Jedi fades away. I think the choice theory is the best, but that's just me.
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« Reply #52 on: 04-21-2005 02:00 »

 
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KOTOR III?

Is that gonna be an Xbox 2 title?
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All signs point to yes.

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« Reply #53 on: 04-23-2005 16:13 »

 
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I bet Yoda dies.

this is ep 3  we all know that yoda dies in ep 6  no no
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #54 on: 04-23-2005 16:25 »
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Or maybe he is already dead in Episode 5 and fades away in Episode 6....or he was being sarcastic.
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« Reply #55 on: 04-23-2005 16:27 »

 
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Or maybe he is already dead in Episode 5 and fades away in Episode 6.

maybe we will never know
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« Reply #56 on: 04-23-2005 20:28 »

Heheh, apparently The Weequay race use an space Eight Ball to contact there god, Quay.

Poor deluded Weequay. 
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« Reply #57 on: 04-24-2005 02:10 »
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Heheh, apparently The Weequay race use an space Eight Ball to contact there god, Quay.

Poor deluded Weequay. 

Yes, in the book "Tales From Jabba's Palace" which  was a good read, but the books hold no value to a true Star Wars dork(me included) Only the movies are cannon.
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« Reply #58 on: 04-24-2005 04:41 »

I like them both.

And Tales of Mos Eisley Cantina was a lot better in my opinion.
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« Reply #59 on: 04-24-2005 04:52 »

 
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Heheh, apparently The Weequay race use an space Eight Ball to contact there god, Quay.

Actually, it's an Infinity Ball, but that's still a pretty lame ultimate weapon.
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« Reply #60 on: 04-24-2005 05:42 »

Imagine, how many people died over 'ask again later'.
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« Reply #61 on: 04-25-2005 17:08 »
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   One thing I personally would have like was if they did not show Vader in III, so that new fans in the future could relive the I am your father moment. I know it sounds stupid, because of course WE all know that Vader is Anakin, but for new fans watching the series in its new order in the future, it would have been possible to do it and keep that surprise alive till TESB. Then again, I suppose there are those who will argue that the series should never be watched in any other order than 4-6 1-3...
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« Reply #62 on: 04-25-2005 22:32 »

How about they don't reveal that Anakin is Luke and Leia's father in the movie, but just say that he is a father? That's probally what they'll do.
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« Reply #63 on: 04-26-2005 03:18 »

Yeah, coz Anakin obviously does not know that he has children, or at least not Leia!

I guess you're right. Vader is too big to not have in this movie, specifically due to the expectations of *so-far* slightly disappointed fans...
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« Reply #64 on: 04-26-2005 03:27 »

 
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How about they don't reveal that Anakin is Luke and Leia's father in the movie, but just say that he is a father? That's probally what they'll do.

Nope. There is no mystery. You know who Vader is, and you know who his children are. Effectively ruining the ending of Empire Strikes Back for poor saps in the future who've never seen it.

And yes, my recommend viewing order is 4-5-6-1-2-3... though 1-2-3 is optional.
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« Reply #65 on: 04-26-2005 05:13 »

The only problem with Vader is that he's too much of a nancy boy, especially with that whole "redemption" thing in 'Return of the Jedi'.
Should have just been Luke and Darth fighting, Darth throws his lightsabre at Luke and cuts the Emperors nasty old head off, he gets locked in an airlock by Luke and then jettisoned out into space.
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« Reply #66 on: 04-26-2005 07:37 »

The Emperor or Vader?

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« Reply #67 on: 04-26-2005 08:56 »

Vader I presume he meant.

   Shame about Empire SB. Wish they had not done it like that. There would have been a way. Anyway, I guess it's just too juicy to let go.

   I wonder how many serious lightsabre duels there will be in ROTS? Gotta be 5, at least, that I can think of, without wanting to go anymore on that...That's way more than any move before! Cool if we got to see another dual lightsabre one, but kinda doubt it, as it seems to be Maul's trademark...tho I can't see why they didn't see the potential in that weapon and develop it more!
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« Reply #68 on: 04-26-2005 09:21 »

 
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And yes, my recommend viewing order is 4-5-6-1-2-3... though 1-2-3 is optional.

My recommended viewing order is 4-5-6 (on VHS tape, since that's the only place left that you can see the originals).

 
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The only problem with Vader is that he's too much of a nancy boy, especially with that whole "redemption" thing in 'Return of the Jedi'.
Should have just been Luke and Darth fighting, Darth throws his lightsabre at Luke and cuts the Emperors nasty old head off, he gets locked in an airlock by Luke and then jettisoned out into space.

You'd rather have Luke kill his father than save him?  Got some Oedipal issues, M0le?

 
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Cool if we got to see another dual lightsabre one, but kinda doubt it, as it seems to be Maul's trademark...tho I can't see why they didn't see the potential in that weapon and develop it more!

Because it sucks.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
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« Reply #69 on: 04-26-2005 09:48 »

When you play Jedi Academy online, you learn to loathe the double bladed lightsaber with a passion.

Single Lightsaber I am, Old school I be.
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« Reply #70 on: 04-26-2005 12:38 »

Double-bladed in JKA is a strong and easy style, but single-bladed has more versatility (though I miss the kick moves from time to time) with the ability to switch style on the fly. Whether I use one or another is a toss in the pot, but I cannot grasp why anyone'd use dual sabers. It's hella weak.
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« Reply #71 on: 04-26-2005 13:05 »

Especially when they do that crouch floating lightsabers dealie. God I hate that.
Pikka Bird

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« Reply #72 on: 04-26-2005 18:52 »

Yeah, it may look fancy, but it leaves you pretty much open to anything- I usually don't even give people the chance to initiate it, because I like to get up close for some nice, overwhelming attacks.
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« Reply #73 on: 04-26-2005 19:08 »

I like to backflip at the last second, just to piss them off.
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« Reply #74 on: 04-27-2005 04:17 »
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are we going to see any other sith besides vader, sidius and douko in Ep:3 it would be cool.
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« Reply #75 on: 04-27-2005 04:32 »

No.
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« Reply #76 on: 04-27-2005 04:33 »

No, Palpatine/Sidious is the only Sith around at that time. What do you think there is always a Master and Apprentice mean?
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« Reply #77 on: 04-27-2005 04:36 »

but why do they say that the sith need some one strong enough to bring the out of hide??? and why dose the title say revenge of the sith??? are you telling me that there wont be a war betwen the jedi and sith???
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« Reply #78 on: 04-27-2005 04:39 »

Yep.

There'll be Vader, Tyranus, and Sidious. No more.
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« Reply #79 on: 04-27-2005 04:50 »

so how exactly dose anikin turn evil? and become darth vader.
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