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« Reply #320 on: 05-24-2005 13:01 »

Yoda detected the betrayal, but his Force powers are uber-tweaked, I reckon the other Jedi were just caught off guard and were instantly surrounded by enemies (clones and probably Seperatist forces too), you saw a few of them fighting back before they eventually got gunned down.
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« Reply #321 on: 05-24-2005 13:05 »

 
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I figured.  The inspiration for Gamma Company, perhaps?
Well, I have to ask Captain Jennie. But since the Gamma site has a link to the video, in a way yes.

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« Reply #322 on: 05-24-2005 15:14 »

 
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@Bendersbud: A master is still a knight. Simple.

Damn! I forgot. Curse you KOTOR 2 and your prestige classes. Am I the only person who liked vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOO" at the end ?. It showed what humanity he had left in him.

"You don't know the power of the darkside"
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« Reply #323 on: 05-24-2005 15:37 »

I think it'd have been better if it had just been yells of rage and despair, while he tore the place to shreds some more, arms flailing and all. "Nooooooo!!" is a Calculon line. There is a reason they gave him that line, as he is the epitome of cheesiness.
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« Reply #324 on: 05-24-2005 17:11 »

I liked Chewbaccas Tarzan yell again, I didn't catch it in the cinema possibly due to Williams loud score, but I did catch it on the *coughpirateDVDIaquiredcough*.  smile
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« Reply #325 on: 05-24-2005 18:58 »
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Yoda detected the betrayal, but his Force powers are uber-tweaked, I reckon the other Jedi were just caught off guard and were instantly surrounded by enemies (clones and probably Seperatist forces too), you saw a few of them fighting back before they eventually got gunned down.

Remember, the Clones have no free will or emotions, so they wouldn't have feelings of betrayal, they were just following an order. From what I understand, the force enables you to dectect the emotions of others, not actually read their mind. Like Faze said, I think Yoda is so in tune that he can predict the movements of others around him with out even trying, and it served as a warning to him. Of course, some one can correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #326 on: 05-24-2005 19:23 »

Or maybe he felt the other Jedi dying and put two and two together when he heard the guns being raised behind him.

Damn smart frog, that Yoda lad is.
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« Reply #327 on: 05-24-2005 23:37 »

Also, since it was instant in each case (the order just went out, and as soon as the clonse/stormtroopers got the order, they acted) there wasn't much time for the jedi to really react or to sense the treachery in the first place.  The treachery only occured within seconds.
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« Reply #328 on: 05-25-2005 00:11 »

I just assumed that it was the Timothy Zahn explanation.
But Ep 3 still raises so many questions and contradicts so much from the EU.  big grin
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« Reply #329 on: 05-25-2005 01:37 »

 
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Originally posted by ~FazeShift~:
Who said Tarkin was CGI in ROTS?
imdb says he was played by Wayne Pygram.

Scorpius was in Ep. 3?

That just made Tarkin about 500% infinitely cooler in my eyes.


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« Reply #330 on: 05-25-2005 02:18 »

Damn, I knew I recognized that name!

I have to watch Ep III again.  And buy Farscape crap.
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« Reply #331 on: 05-25-2005 02:22 »

Damn, Tarkin is in this? The only man more powerful and ruthless than Vader?

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« Reply #332 on: 05-25-2005 02:39 »

...What?

Vader has more power then Tarkin (I mean executive power. Force goes without saying).

He's the executor of the Emperor's bloody will. He can supercede anyone.
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« Reply #333 on: 05-25-2005 02:45 »

No, Tarkin is definitely more powerful then Vader in ANH.  If nothing else you can tell when he says "I'm taking an awful risk Vader.  This had better work", plus of course being able to tell Vader to stop choking that one officer.  Only someone with power over Vader could avoid getting killed for either of those things.

Of course Tarkin gets owned by the end of the film.
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« Reply #334 on: 05-25-2005 03:24 »

Quite simply, Vader goes along with it because Tarkin's in the Emperor's good graces at the moment. Offical rank places Vader far beyond a mere Grand Moff.

Try to imagine a State Governor bossing around the Vice-President for a real-world comparison.

Tarkin has influence because Palp likes the Death Star project. Once that business is settled, Vader can school the bitch six ways from sundown.
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« Reply #335 on: 05-25-2005 03:58 »
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I doubt it Slacky, If Tarkin didn't perish in the DS and he somehow survived he'd still be top dog over Vader.

The man is quite a genius, if he can have a mistress like Admiral Dalaa and create 3-4 massive Super Weapons and hide them amongst the massive series of black holes in the Kessel system, even Vader would give him some respect. Hell, he created the Tarkin Docterine enforcing the strict Dicipline that made the human Stormtrooper.

Though if Vader had fully fulfilled his destiny and struck down the Emperor like good little Sith, I can safety say Tarkin would have been either killed or locked up for the remainder of his life.

I think Vader is the head of the Imperial Navy isn't he? He and Vader must have the same amount of power.

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« Reply #336 on: 05-25-2005 04:14 »

He has influence. Not power. Tarkin is in charge of a large region of the outer rim, as well as the Death Star project (and a few other thing's bubbling away on the side).

Vader is the absolute be-all-and-end-all enforcer of the Emperor's Will. If Palps says massacre, Vader says 'How many punks do I gotta beat down?' He can overide any order he feels, he can take command of any military equipment, he can perform on-the-spot evaluations and executions to anyone he chooses - provided that it doesn't conflict with the Emperor's will.

The Emperor liked what Tarkin was doing, so he allowed him a lot of leeway to do what he wanted. However, that extends only so far as the Emperor wished. While this is true for any loyal son of the Empire, Vader (as Palp's Sith apprentice) has much more in the way of freedom to carry out his objectives.
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« Reply #337 on: 05-25-2005 04:54 »
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[Tarkin]Yes? I bet you cannot do this. *Mimes taking a helmet off a breathing rapidly*[/Tarkin]
[Vader]You bet your gaunt ass I can! *tries but fails* Oh crap![/Vader]
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« Reply #338 on: 05-25-2005 06:11 »

I did like the line from Palpatine when he tells Anakin that sith legend that basically foreshawdows his own demise in "Return of the Jedi..." one of the few decently written bits of dialogue from Lucas - EVER.
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« Reply #339 on: 05-25-2005 12:47 »
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Nurdy: If Vader's anything officially, he's in command of the Stormtroopers.  I say this primarily because it furthers his similarities to Heinrich Himmler, to whom he already bears a lot of resemblance (evil dictator's right-hand-man, obsession with the occult/supernatural, fixation on an extinct knightly order...WWII geeks know what I'm talking about.)

Besides, do you ever see him go anywhere without a whole brigade of the damn things?  And more importantly, do you ever see him with non-elite troops?

And yeah RS, the Opera Scene was one of my favorite non-action scenes in the prequels.
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« Reply #340 on: 05-25-2005 12:55 »
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Damn, Tarkin is in this? The only man more powerful and ruthless than Vader?

What... the... hell. Tarkin is a seventy year old imperial officer. Vader is dark lord of the sith. I agree with SlackJawedMoron on this. Tarkin was the officer in charge of the death star. Vader was the man in charge of keeping tarkin in line. If tarkin turned the deathstar on whatever planet the emporer was on he wouldn't survive. Vader is stronger than tarkin:  Mentally, physically and authority. Vader was their so that if tarkin ever said kill the emporer. He would strike him down. At this point vader's loyality is strong to the emporer. Also more ruthless ?. Vader
1. Choked too many people to count
2. Wiped out the jedi (except two)
3. Killed his old master while he was defenceless
4. Chopped of his own son's hand and tryed to kill him.   

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« Reply #341 on: 05-25-2005 13:14 »

Tarkin destroyed a whole planet, and had a mind to destroy more, Vader wasn't that big on the mass murder.
But still, I think Vader owned him anyway.
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« Reply #342 on: 05-25-2005 14:55 »

Tarkin didn't need machinery to live, even the force couldn't keep Vader alive not after he broke his back looking for that jewl in the EU anyway. Vader owned him in combat and power but like I said, Tarkin is machine only on the inside. Besides, The Opressive Empire we'd all know and love wouldn't be what we love if it wasn't for him.

Am I the only one who read that book? the one where Luke crashes on that planet and searches for that Force crystal?
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« Reply #343 on: 05-25-2005 15:08 »

Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith

I saw this movie at 19 May 2005 22:10 GMT+2 (Day light saving time)!

This has the best action sequences of any of the six Star Wars films! The battle sequences at the beginning with Jedi star fighters and separatist forces are by far the most spectacular special effects sequence ever put to film.

When the first two new star war movies were released I am not that impressed with them although there are nice sceneries in the movie and the graphic multimedia they put together were good. I personally am more of a fan of the original trilogy than what I have been of the prequels. One of my general criticisms of the first two prequels is some of the kimono inspired costumes which I find very unsuitable for space related western films. Kimono represents the traditional Japan which it originally comes from China. I find no link with traditional things like the kimonos with Aliens and science fiction. It just doesn’t do it for me; I personally find those costumes unsuitable for the scenes and for the actresses. Episode two is better than episode one because Padmé wore some nicer costumes that are much more suitable for her. You see I am a girl, costumes matter to me in films.

I would also like to point out that the acting is much better in Revenge of the Sith than the first two prequels, but what truly stood out in this movie was the story. The last hour of the movie was especially powerful. Many of the mysteries were finally answered. We all knew Anakin was Darth Vader, and that Vader was the father of Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia, but we didn’t know how and why they were separated, and now we do! We also know how Darth Vader is created and why he needs the costume and breathes heavily! The final missing puzzle pieces are revealed, now the cycle of the Star Wars story is complete!

I would especially like to comment on the light sabre battles between Anakin, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, Master Windu, The Emperor and General Grievous. They were all done extremely well. Even R2-D2 kicks ass!

It's understood that this will be the last "Star Wars" episode to be shown on the silver screen, and George Lucas has found a clever way to make it unforgettable. "Revenge of the Sith" is the best film of the prequels, and an exciting lead in to "A New Hope;" it's an extraordinary way to celebrate the "Star Wars" galaxy for the last time. A+
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« Reply #344 on: 05-25-2005 20:31 »

 
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Am I the only one who read that book? the one where Luke crashes on that planet and searches for that Force crystal?

That's Splinter of the Mind's Eye. I know of it, but I haven't actually read it (one of the few).
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« Reply #345 on: 05-25-2005 20:51 »
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mint, there's actually a very heavy influence of asian philosophy/religon in the matters of the force, so the kimono-ish wardrobe for Amidala was fitting.

Course, it would've been better IF THE SCRIPTS FOR THOSE PREQUELS WERE GOOD...
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« Reply #346 on: 05-25-2005 22:06 »
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You mean when (Bowen., J) says “… the Jedi way is one of serenity and calmness in the face of inevitable tragedies, but the Sith way wants to intervene, control, and possess. The Jedi are a mix between stoic sages and Taoist philosophers. They understand that death comes to everyone, and sometimes at inconvenient, tragic times.” 

It's still odd for me to see they mix the contemporary space battle of sabres with an ancient religion such as Taoism, hence those kimono look alike costumes. My lecturer in my Uni even told us Taoism is considered as a backward religion by social scientists.

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« Reply #347 on: 05-25-2005 22:31 »

 
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Tarkin didn't need machinery to live, even the force couldn't keep Vader alive not after he broke his back looking for that jewl in the EU anyway. Vader owned him in combat and power but like I said, Tarkin is machine only on the inside. Besides, The Opressive Empire we'd all know and love wouldn't be what we love if it wasn't for him.

Am I the only one who read that book? the one where Luke crashes on that planet and searches for that Force crystal?


Splinter of the Mind's Eye? that is diffentaly NOT Canon. I heard it was going to be a made for TV movie sequal to ANH is it wasn't as successful as it was. Just look at how weak the force is in the book and you can tell it follows a completely different storyline.
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« Reply #348 on: 05-25-2005 22:43 »

It's not just Taoism. There's a very heavy Zen Buddhism influence, too.

And who are these "social scientists" calling Taoism a backwards religon? I'll kick their ass. And what the hell is a social scientist, anyways?
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« Reply #349 on: 05-25-2005 23:29 »

Nurdy, you thought Splinter of the Mind's Eye was in any way, shape, or form canon, and yet you still consider yourself knowledgable?

::snickers::
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« Reply #350 on: 05-25-2005 23:35 »

I thought it was part of the EU...it's just that it sucked so hard I couldn't get past the first five pages...or was that Children of the Jedi?
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« Reply #351 on: 05-25-2005 23:48 »

I'm pretty sure it says on the cover that it's not even remotely canon.
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« Reply #352 on: 05-26-2005 02:06 »

I thought Splinter was okay, maybe we nerds are just too picky sometimes. 

We need to watch more of the Christmas special sometimes to become more modest.

I always considered Vader's injury in Eye to be canon because he couldn't move at all in ROTJ due to the broken neck he had which is why Luke was dragging him through the DS2. It made sense too me. He could still walk without his life support.
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« Reply #353 on: 05-26-2005 03:20 »

 
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"social scientists" calling Taoism a backwards religon?

..as opposed to all of those progressive religions.

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« Reply #354 on: 05-26-2005 06:08 »
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[Han]Ancient religions are one thing, but I'd rather have a blaster by my side...[/Han]

I might have missed a word or two with that.
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« Reply #355 on: 05-26-2005 10:37 »

 
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 Go to the Melee side Dr.Jerkbird!
UNLIMITEED POWWWEERRRRRR!!!!
*equips Plasma Flamethrower*
/stoppingShot
/intimidateShot
/bodyShot
*repeat as necessary*

No, just. No.
*equips Stun Baton*

/advancedlegsweep
/advancedbleedattack
/lethalhit
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Plus, I have 230 Ranged Defense.
Beat that, bitch.
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« Reply #356 on: 05-26-2005 11:44 »

/slap
/wedgie

Owned.
Oh, and I have 400 stupid idiot defence.
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« Reply #357 on: 05-26-2005 12:30 »

 
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there's actually a very heavy influence of asian philosophy/religon in the matters of the force,

Not to mention the fact that Akira Kurosawa's samurai films were a huge influence on Lucas when he made the original trilogy.

 
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My lecturer in my Uni even told us Taoism is considered as a backward religion by social scientists.

Didn't Admiral Motti say something like that?  Right before getting force choked?
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« Reply #358 on: 05-26-2005 15:24 »

 
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[Han]Ancient religions are one thing, but I'd rather have a blaster by my side...[/Han]

I might have missed a word or two with that.
I think he had "hokey" in there somewhere?
Heheh, I've got to use that more often.
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« Reply #359 on: 05-26-2005 15:29 »
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Hokey? Hehe, Harrison was right about the script writing sometimes.

Nobody has ever said hokey apart from him and a couple of cartoon characters these days.
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