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Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #120 on: 05-05-2005 16:47 »
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Besides... the Force is obviously just a metaphor for religious belief.... Lucas took Christianity and put it in mystical far away land where the Crusades have meaning and people have lightsavers....    roll eyes
Actually, the biggest difference between Star Wars and High Medieval Romance is the Force vs. the Christian/Catholic belief system.  The Force is more based of Eastern mysticism, specifically Zen Buddhism.  There are no Saints, there is no Catholic hierarchy, hell, there is no God in Force-ism.  There's just the Force, the spirtual energy of the Universe.  Really, the Jedi (at least in the Original Trilogy) act and speak more like Japanese Ronin of the Nobunaga era than medieval Crusaders...I'll stop here.

Wow.  I just got two top of the pages with the exact same post.

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« Reply #121 on: 05-05-2005 18:20 »

 
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The Force is more based of Eastern mysticism, specifically Zen Buddhism Taoism.

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« Reply #122 on: 05-05-2005 19:18 »

The force isn't just a mystic energy field, in the movies and EU it has the personality of a haphazard deity, the galaxy rises and falls according to it's playful whims and controls the destiny of every living being. One can also become one with the force at the point of death or perserve themselves with it as an afterlife.
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« Reply #123 on: 05-05-2005 22:06 »

Which movies are you talking about, ShortRound?  The prequels?  I don't know about the EU, but the original trilogy doesn't say anything of the sort.  According to Obi-Wan, "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."  In other words, it's the Tao, but in space.
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« Reply #124 on: 05-05-2005 22:40 »
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Thank you for the correction, Dave.  I don't know why I said Zen.  Again I blame my ignorance on illness.

And I wouldn't say the Force acts like a whimful deity.  It's just in a constant state of flux between Light-dominance and Dark-dominance.  If it acts like every other force in nature, it's probably trying to reach a state of balance, but crappy humans sentients and their free will mean it ends up moving in cycles.

I remember why I said Zen: I was thinking of a couple of the EU novels which talked about "losing" or "submerging" yourself in the Force, which reminded me of the tragically little I know of Eastern spirituality.
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« Reply #125 on: 05-05-2005 23:27 »

 
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I remember why I said Zen: I was thinking of a couple of the EU novels which talked about "losing" or "submerging" yourself in the Force, which reminded me of the tragically little I know of Eastern spirituality.

Actually, that part sounds pretty Taoist to me, but I'm sure there's some Zen in there as well.  Yoda sort of talks like a Zen master.
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« Reply #126 on: 05-06-2005 02:03 »

I don't analyze the force, it works in mysterious ways. That is good enough for me.

And a blaster by my side.
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« Reply #127 on: 05-06-2005 02:27 »

I thought it was midichlorians (did I pronounce that right? I wouldn't want star wars nerds to beat me up.) right?
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« Reply #128 on: 05-06-2005 02:34 »

Gah!  This entire conversation was initiated (way over in the webcomics thread) by someone who pointed out that we Don't Say That Word.  I don't care if the little psychic bastards are canon.  I still don't approve of them as an explanation.
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« Reply #129 on: 05-06-2005 03:00 »

I just ignore the force AIDS and the Jedi Cannot Love theory. It's just filler anyway George stupidly inserted in without caring for the EU.

If they did mean anything, Obi Wan should have said something like 'The Force AIDS is strong with you' in Episode IV. Thankfully, he didn't.

Let us never speak of this again.
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« Reply #130 on: 05-06-2005 03:13 »

But did I pronounce it correctly?
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« Reply #131 on: 05-06-2005 03:38 »

Lucas has every right to violate EU all he wants.  The movies are more important after all; the EU is just elaborate merchandising.

Though yeah, the force AIDS in Phantom Menace was fucking stupid.
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« Reply #132 on: 05-06-2005 03:57 »

Screw you Bartman, I happen to like the EU. And it's not all merchandicing, when did you see a toys based on the books be constantly advertised on Television? When was the last time you saw a Exarr Kunn action figuire? or a Yuuzhong Vong rocket mask?

And the KOTOR Games series are the jewels in the crown of the EU. At the moment, I like the EU a hell of a lot more than I like the prequal and Special Edition films.

And Lucas can bite me, he can whine about it all being his but he's only actually written Episode IV, I, II and III. The foundations of Star Wars is founded from The Empire Strikes Back and Return of The Jedi.
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« Reply #133 on: 05-06-2005 04:04 »

What I mean is that even the books are essentially merchandising.  They're liscensed spin offs whose sales go to Lucas.

And he basically co-wrote Empire and Jedi.  And the foundations of Star Wars are still really from him (I'm not sure just Empire and Jedi are supposed to be the foundations on their own, given that they were sequels to a movie Lucas had already made).

That said, I still agree about the force AIDS, but just because it was a really stupid explanation for something that was supposed to be really mythical and mysterious.
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« Reply #134 on: 05-06-2005 05:13 »

Well Lucas doesn't get much money from them anyway, if you must know.

Jedi is the main Marketing word with Lucas.
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« Reply #135 on: 05-06-2005 08:19 »

 
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I thought it was midichlorians (did I pronounce that right? I wouldn't want star wars nerds to beat me up.) right?

Midiwhat?  Never heard of them.  The Force is the Tao.

 
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Lucas has every right to violate EU all he wants.

Yeah, I just wish he'd stop violating the original trilogy.

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« Reply #136 on: 05-06-2005 08:28 »

Pfffft, you think he'd spare that too?

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« Reply #137 on: 05-06-2005 15:51 »

I don't really care about Lucas screwing the EU any more.  I just keep the knowledge in my heart that Anderson and Zahn are far better writers than he is, though I suppose novels and scripts are two very different things.  Although Lucas is certainly rivaling Michael A. Stackpole right now for the Most Awkward Dialogue award.

Anyway, I've got to get my hands on the EU graphic novels at some point.  I mean, I know the stories of the Exar Kun deal and Dark Empire, but I've never actually read them.

I hope when Lucas starts fucking around with the prequel trilogy he gets rid of the mention of Force AIDS.  At least he'll be doing something positive with his revisionism.
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« Reply #138 on: 05-06-2005 16:04 »

Better yet, Digitally remove Jar Jar Binks. Replace him with some sort of silent sexy Ninja girl.
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« Reply #139 on: 05-06-2005 17:32 »

I might just sit down and combe through TPM script - rewording or rewriting bits of it. I'd never make huge changes to the story - the story is fine (basically) just the dialogue could be really touched up a bit.

All for sexy Ninja girl replacing Jar Jar - have to replace the voice as well though of course...

I hear what you say Nerdo, I was sort of aware of Exar Kun, but after KOTOR I actively want to read all the Great Sith Wars stuff.  smile
Haven't the slightest idea where to look for it, unless I order it from some mysterious online thingy. Hmmm....ew...
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« Reply #140 on: 05-06-2005 17:53 »

Episode III is going to own on everything... enough bickering now! 

Also, without Lucas there would be no EU... if he wants to rape the movies, that's his business, but it's our business to gripe about him ruining them, and then not buy the garbage he releases.   At any rate, may the midichlorians be with you!
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« Reply #141 on: 05-07-2005 00:55 »

So far it's got a 90% on rotten tomatoes. If it can keep the reviews poring in at that ratio; it might make it the first critically acclaimed starwars movie(Yes, they even hated the OT, except Ebert that is).
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« Reply #142 on: 05-07-2005 03:18 »

Zed: There's already a Gunganless Episode I script out there somewhere.
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« Reply #143 on: 05-07-2005 03:52 »

 
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Better yet, Digitally remove Jar Jar Binks. Replace him with some sort of silent sexy Ninja girl.
Best idea yet regarding Binks  tongue

The new film got a good review in The Telegraph this morning, I'm rather looking forward to seeing it  smile

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« Reply #144 on: 05-07-2005 04:11 »
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Zed: There's already a Gunganless Episode I script out there somewhere.

I saw a download for a fan re-edit of Phantom Menace that replaced all the gungan lines (including Jar-Jar) with garbled alien-speak, and subtitled in decent lines to tighten up the plot and their involvement. I would have downloaded it to see how well it worked, but it was over four gigs, and I have to watch my downloads this early in the month.
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« Reply #145 on: 05-07-2005 09:29 »

I'd rather have a scene where Obi-Wan trips and activates the self destruct button that destorys the Gungan Floating City, followed by an escape where Qui-Gon makes a witty comment.

Seriously, I actually liked Qui-Gon. This guy is suppose to be the muse for Old Ben in Episode IV, if he had gotten more screen time than Jar Jar Retard he would have developed a little more to the point where fans would remember him.
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« Reply #146 on: 05-07-2005 09:56 »

 
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Hey, so long as we're talking about things the original trilogy did better, how about romantic tension?  Did Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford have better chemistry than Hayden and Natalie Portman?  Were the characters of Han and Leia just more likable than Ani and Padme?
[a late-to-the-party comment brought to you by VF's hormones]
Harrison Ford has enough chemistry for any coupling, even Sean Connery, or toothpicks, or "lesbians." I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Was Carrie Fisher even very good in the originals? I didn't notice, but the only thing I ever hear people (nerds) talk about is her bikini. Not her acting (like with Portman [bad]), or how awesome her character is (like Han), or how she compared to angels and sand.

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« Reply #147 on: 05-07-2005 10:00 »

 
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Better yet, Digitally remove Jar Jar Binks.

If you're gonna do that, you may as well get rid of the red dude with horns and the girl in the clown makeup while you're at it.  Also, replace Ewan McGregor with someone who actually looks like a younger version of Alec Guinness.  His first name may rhyme with Obi-Wan, but that doesn't mean that he should have gotten the part.

 
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So far it's got a 90% on rotten tomatoes. If it can keep the reviews poring in at that ratio; it might make it the first critically acclaimed starwars movie(Yes, they even hated the OT, except Ebert that is).

I tend to disregard the opinions of anyone who hated the original trilogy.

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« Reply #148 on: 05-07-2005 12:56 »

Ewan McGregor is one of the better actors in the prequel trilogy. That being, worst than Christopher Lee, Samuel L. Jackson and Liam Neeson...and Frank Oz's voice.

If they had just gotten rid of Jar Jar Binks' annoyingness, the movie would've been alot better. How about replacing his "funny" attitiude with that of a Mandolorian or Han Solo or a mercenary?
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« Reply #149 on: 05-07-2005 13:05 »

We should have had something Mandalorian in Episode I.
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« Reply #150 on: 05-07-2005 13:05 »

 
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Ewan McGregor is one of the better actors in the prequel trilogy.

I didn't say he was a bad actor.  I just think that he was miscast.

 
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If they had just gotten rid of Jar Jar Binks' annoyingness, the movie would've been alot better.

No, it wouldn't have.  There was so much more that was wrong with that movie than just Jar-Jar.
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« Reply #151 on: 05-07-2005 13:13 »

Mandalorians in a Star Wars movie, eh?
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« Reply #152 on: 05-07-2005 15:21 »
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I'd rather have a scene where Obi-Wan trips and activates the self destruct button that destorys the Gungan Floating City, followed by an escape where Qui-Gon makes a witty comment.

Seriously, I actually liked Qui-Gon. This guy is suppose to be the muse for Old Ben in Episode IV, if he had gotten more screen time than Jar Jar Retard he would have developed a little more to the point where fans would remember him.


Then you'll like his probable return in ROTS. He comes to Yoda in a vision. Apparently very few reviews cite whether or not his force ghost appearance remains in the movie.
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« Reply #153 on: 05-07-2005 15:32 »

I doubt it since vh1.com does not have him listed in ROTS on both his page and the movie page.
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« Reply #154 on: 05-07-2005 15:57 »

Well, then he will be alluded to or shown just off-screen as has been suggested.

Liam Nelson has often times expressed his distaste at excessively violent and sexual movies(Episode 3 isn't going to be the latter for the most part), maybe that's why he wouldn't sign up for such a huge deal.
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« Reply #155 on: 05-07-2005 16:04 »
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Liam Neeson was in Kinsey. If you haven't heard of Kinsey, here's the poster for it:


So, what's this about Neeson distasting sexual movies?
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« Reply #156 on: 05-08-2005 01:25 »

 
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Was Carrie Fisher even very good in the originals? I didn't notice, but the only thing I ever hear people (nerds) talk about is her bikini. Not her acting (like with Portman [bad]), or how awesome her character is (like Han), or how she compared to angels and sand.

 She did just as good a job as anyone else.  I think the acting of the various people involved in the originals was pretty even across the board, Carrie Fisher included.   This is by default better than the wooden chemistry of Portman and Hayden Christensen.  There's almost no fan service (thankfully) in the original trilogy, so fans who can't keep interested in a film without the help of half naked women only remember Leia as bikini Leia.

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« Reply #157 on: 05-08-2005 01:52 »

 
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Mandalorians in a Star Wars movie, eh?

Oh, God. Not Supershadow. This guy is a total dick. Don't believe a word he writes. Tell your friends about his awfulness. Please, for the love of God, help shut that bastard down!
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« Reply #158 on: 05-08-2005 07:10 »

banky: The Leia in Bikini is fan service. Fan service doesn't really restrict it self to skimpy outfits though, all sorts of fan service things littered about the 5/6 movies that if you keep a keen eye out for them.
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« Reply #159 on: 05-08-2005 11:44 »

Yes, I know that bikini Leia is fan service, but it's the only example of overt fan service in the original trilogy that I can think of.  That type of thing is kept to a minimum in the original trilogy.
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