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Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #520 on: 04-06-2006 01:12 »

Definitely better than the first few of this season...

8/10
DotheBartman

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« Reply #521 on: 04-06-2006 01:42 »
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Absolutely fuckin' hysterical. I REALLY hope they pay this off with an actual Part Two. I can't wait to see what the "secret" to Family Guy is. The parody was spot on (they really did show how truly easy it is to write a "Family Guy" joke), the satire of the Mohammed controversy was great, and the whole bike chase had me cracking up. 5/5

BTW, towards the beginning you can see the "Chickenlover" run into the community center nude.
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« Reply #522 on: 04-06-2006 03:15 »

I find it funny that they made no mention of when South Park had Mohammed in an episode.

Remember this anyone?
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« Reply #523 on: 04-06-2006 11:36 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:BTW, towards the beginning you can see the "Chickenlover" run into the community center nude.


I was wondering if that was Chickenf**ker or not.
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« Reply #524 on: 04-06-2006 16:20 »

wow i loved that ep, i hope they show muhammed in pt.2 just for the fun of it, and to see is the muslims will complain
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« Reply #525 on: 04-06-2006 22:44 »

  A spot on parody of Family Guy's bottomless barrel of flashback cutscenes, Ike melting in a nuclear inferno, a big-wheel chase that probably blew their whole 3D budget for the year, and a cliffhanger ending.  That all adds up to a good episode. 

Hopefully the part 2 episode is real and not just joke.  That would be cruel, but I wouldn't put it past them.
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« Reply #526 on: 04-07-2006 03:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Nasty Pasty:
I find it funny that they made no mention of when South Park had Mohammed in an episode.

Ummm, they did. That was the whole joke about Randy asking what kind of cartoon would show Mohammed (and also obviously refers to the recent controversy over religious South Park episodes like Trapped in the Closet and Bloody Mary).

Anyway, I thought this episode was awesome. Definitely better than the first few episodes of this season (and the last few of Season 9, too). The digs and criticisms of Family Guy were spot-on. Granted, the show does have the potential to be very funny, but it's been going downhill ever since its return, so I wasn't complaining at all when I saw this. I loved the captioned videos. "The jokes are all inter-changable and irrelevant to the plot!"

I'm hoping they do a second part, though I wouldn't exactly be surprised if they didn't (the whole "Will Comedy Central puss out and not air it?" thing leads me to believe they might). South Park's two-parters in the past have been very average, but if a second part to this is anywhere near as good as the first part was, I can't wait to see it.   smile

On a side note, anyone hear about South Park winning a Peabody? Congratulations, Matt and Trey!
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« Reply #527 on: 04-07-2006 03:52 »

For the record, Comedy Central did run an ad tonight advertising that the conclusion will be on Wednesday, so I think it is really going to happen.
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« Reply #528 on: 04-07-2006 10:19 »

It was a great episode so far!  Even though it's a two-parter.  I liked the scene where Cartman and Kyle were on their 3 wheelers crashing into each other.  The way Family Guy was portrayed was very accurate.  I also liked the whole 'Mohammed' bit.  Hope there will be a part 2, and it's not just some joke that there won't be a part 2.

I have a prediction, though.  I'll bet anyone that the Family Guy writers will turn out to be "Crab People" or something like that.  Wait and see.   I won't rate this episode yet, until I see part 2. 
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #529 on: 04-07-2006 11:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Beamer:
 Ummm, they did. That was the whole joke about Randy asking what kind of cartoon would show Mohammed (and also obviously refers to the recent controversy over religious South Park episodes like Trapped in the Closet and Bloody Mary).

I was talking more about the Entertainment industry, but whatever...
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« Reply #530 on: 04-07-2006 11:42 »

 
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Originally posted by KurtPikachu2001:

I have a prediction, though.  I'll bet anyone that the Family Guy writers will turn out to be "Crab People" or something like that.  Wait and see.   I won't rate this episode yet, until I see part 2. 

Based on the computer-like glow (and the dark room), but immediate guess was that the "secret" is a machine/computer or something similar that automatically generates the interchangable gags.

newhook_1

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« Reply #531 on: 04-08-2006 18:58 »

Taste like carb. Talk Like People.

I gots the season 7 DVD set today. Good stuff.
Beamer

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« Reply #532 on: 04-09-2006 04:34 »

 
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Taste like carb.

Bad news if you're on Atkins.

newhook_1

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« Reply #533 on: 04-09-2006 12:14 »

Canadian spelling.
Beamer

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« Reply #534 on: 04-10-2006 21:50 »

Don't overshadow my Atkins joke, I was proud of that. Anyway, looks like they are in fact doing a two-parter:

 
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This Week on South Park: Cartoon Wars Part II
After leaving Kyle injured on the side of the road, Cartman races to the headquarters of “Family Guy” determined to put an end to the show once and for all.

Can't wait. If it's as good as the first part was, then Cartoon Wars could very well be the highlight of this season (and indeed, the past 2 years of South Park for that matter).
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« Reply #535 on: 04-12-2006 20:26 »

Was a very good episode and I'm excited for tonight.  The main targets have been South Park itself, Family Guy, and the public's change in attitude after the cartoons from Denmark.  The main point of satire hasn't even been Islam, they're just using it to make fun of other things.  I doubt if Trey and Matt will show Mohammed, but if they do I doubt if it will be a negative portrayal.
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« Reply #536 on: 04-12-2006 20:38 »

They already have shown him before. I believe has was able to shoot fire out of his hands.
Beamer

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« Reply #537 on: 04-12-2006 22:33 »

Maybe Mohammed shows up and stops the violence himself or something? I don't know. Either way, I'm stoked for this episode. Come on, come oonnn!
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« Reply #538 on: 04-12-2006 22:46 »

Mohammed wasn't in the show tonight. I saw the end part of the new one.
starone

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« Reply #539 on: 04-12-2006 22:56 »

I loved it. That's all I have to say.

Loved the NWMA call back at the beginning. I actually thought it was real and thought to myself "I should have seen it comming".
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« Reply #540 on: 04-12-2006 23:05 »

I'm betting they animated the sequence and Comedy Central pulled the footage. The black screen is not in the directing style of the show. If Matt and Trey pussed out then they would would have shown character reactions while the audio remained. The fact that the audio ran while there was a black disclaimer leads me to believe that the footage actually exists, and that Comedy Central just pulled it.

Also, the evidence is strong in the episode that Matt and Trey fear media censorship, and they wouldn't embrace it on their own volition. Frankly, I too am afraid.
iheartdestr0y

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« Reply #541 on: 04-12-2006 23:27 »
« Last Edit on: 04-12-2006 23:27 »

South Park often messes with its viewers, and the beginning of the episode was a perfect example of that. However, we must look to the past to see why this very well may have been true censorship.

The PSP episode built up to a massive battle. They messed with fans by not showing the battle, but showing the reactions. If they wanted to do somthing like that with this episode, they very well could have shown Bush's reaction as it went on. It would have been MUCH more effective. If it was just a joke there were many ways they could have done it that wouldn't make people angry at Comedy Central. They did not do those things, instead they typed it out in black and white.


Edit: Who else was a little dissapointed the Family Guy writers weren't Crab People?  smile
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« Reply #542 on: 04-12-2006 23:37 »

I missed it...again...

[Cartman]Gooooooooooooddammit![/Cartman]

Meh, it'll be on again in like an hour.
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« Reply #543 on: 04-13-2006 01:38 »
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I loved it.  I absolutely loved this episode; from the opening to the revelation of the FG writers to the introduction of "the kid."  Easily the best episode of the season thus far.

 
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Originally posted by FemJesse:
I'm betting they animated the sequence and Comedy Central pulled the footage.

I was wondering about that.  I couldn't tell if they were poking fun at CC and messing with the audience or if the footage really had been pulled.
Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #544 on: 04-13-2006 01:51 »

Fucking manatees...

Loved it.

A+
DotheBartman

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« Reply #545 on: 04-13-2006 01:55 »

Holy shit, I don't think I've laughed so hard at any tv show in quite some time. That was just.....brilliant. Loved finally seeing Terrance and Phillip again (nice touch having Terrance still be fat) and all the self-referencing, the Family Guy jabs, the Bart Simpson stuff...together this two parter has to be one of my all time favorites at least. And the "gay ass" speech was well said. 5/5
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« Reply #546 on: 04-13-2006 02:26 »

Loved the episode, including the beginning which I knew immediately to be a joke (I did hold my breath for a moment just in case!) These two episodes were my favorites so far this season.

It does seem that the "censorship" was real, though we could be wrong.
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« Reply #547 on: 04-13-2006 02:51 »

Saw it at 11 central, loved it, 10/10.

"Manatees...of course...it all makes sense now."

And the "censorship" of that scene was obviously a joke.  It was goddamn hilarious, too, even when I'd had it spoiled for me.  That is exactly South Park's version of dramatic irony, not to mention biting the hand that feeds them.

Still missed the beginning though, although I just figured out what you guys were talking about as I typed this sentence.  Goddammit Matt and Trey like fucking with us.  Again, 10/10.
Beamer

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« Reply #548 on: 04-13-2006 06:14 »
« Last Edit on: 04-13-2006 06:14 »

   
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Originally posted by FemJesse:
The fact that the audio ran while there was a black disclaimer leads me to believe that the footage actually exists, and that Comedy Central just pulled it.

I HIGHLY doubt it. Matt and Trey love to make fun of censorship, and this was more-than-likely a callback to the "Or will Comedy Central puss out?" thing at the end of 1003 (just like how Fox considered not airing the episode, but instead censored it, the joke is that CC did the same). Either way, it was funnier that way, anyway.

My review:

Before anything, I'm just going to say that I'll be reviewing both parts of Cartoon Wars as one episode here, mainly because I just watched both parts, and my scores for both would be the same, anyway. As I'm sure many people have noticed, South Park's been slipping since Season 9. Granted, there are still plenty of funny moments and well-made points, but it's been quite repetitive lately, and the quality is nowhere near as good as the standards set in Seasons 6-8. While some episodes like Best Friends Forever, The Death of Eric Cartman and Two Days Before The Day After Tomorrow were excellent, episodes like Ginger Kids, Bloody Mary, The Return of Chef and Smug Alert were all very average at best, and have certainly brought the others down (though most people seem pretty much divided about The Return of Chef). Cartoon Wars has been very well-received by just about everyone who isn't a Family Guy fan, so how does it stack up?

While it is certainly an excellent episode, Cartoon Wars isn't exactly the total turn-around fans have been waiting for... as well all know, South Park tends to re-invent itself every few years, though it's basically just been going through several pre-existing styles since Season 6. Cartoon Wars is no different, however, I'd have to say, it really can be considered an epitome of the show to an extent. Essentially, Cartoon Wars is somewhere in-between South Park's current style of episodes. Normally, you get episodes that are either joke-based, story-based, parody-based or satire-based. Cartoon Wars actually manages to combine all of these styles - mainly because it's really their first two-parter since taking on the satirical stance South Park's now so well-known for, and they've undoubtedly had a lot more time to cram in a little of everything.

Firstly, South Park really goes after Family Guy here. Granted, their criticisms of the jokes being interchangeable and irrelevant to the plot are certainly nothing new - they're all fully-justified, though most Family Guy fans already know this, and don't care. Personally, while there was a time when I was a Family Guy fan, the show's quality has severely dropped since its return, so I wasn't at all upset by South Park's attacks on the show... and even then, there's a little defense of Family Guy in the second episode, complete with a dig at South Park itself ("I mean, I know it's just joke after joke, but I like that. At least it doesn't get all preachy and up its own ass with messages!" ) to even things out. South Park's version of Family Guy was spot-on (even if most of the voices were way off), showing it as being an aimless show with cutaways to an 80's joke every 5-10 seconds, while the main storyline drags on. I was seriously amazed at how well they pulled off the parody, so kudos to Matt and Trey there. There were also some references to The Simpsons and their hatred of Family Guy in Part 2, which were also very funny - even if the Bart Simpson kid did become rather tiresome after a while.

Mostly, though, the episode is a huge examination of freedom of speech. The storyline is mainly a satire on the recent controversy over the Mohammed cartoons, though there are also several jokes thrown in about controversial SP episodes Trapped in the Closet and Bloody Mary too, both of which have been pulled in several countries (we're still waiting for Bloody Mary down here). Matt and Trey even slipped in their own "either everything is okay or nothing is okay" theory regarding targets in comedy, and also alluded to the fact that they showed Mohammed way back in Season 5's Super Best Friends. Even if you don't like South Park's satirical episodes, you have to agree, their comments on these issues were spot-on (even if it was sometimes hard to tell what their point was given the characters' conflicting viewpoints to Matt & Trey's), and the way they were able to put all of these things in was quite impressive.

As far as humour goes, this is up there with The Biggest Douche in the Universe and Raisins as one of those episodes that's both insightful and as funny as hell. Granted, the first part is a little less funny than the second one, though I expect they had to hold back a little to end it at the right moment for the cliffhanger, hence why some scenes like the bike chase dragged on a bit. Still, even when it dragged on, it never got to an excruciating point like it has in some episodes, and was actually one of the few recent South Park episodes that cracked me up from start to finish... I was laughing from the Muslim extremist's subtitles right to the "I'll crap on you!" video at the end. Highlights include the bike chase and the revelation of the Family Guy writers' true identities. The best joke, though, was undoubtedly the hilarious Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut callback at the start of Part 2, when they lead you to believe the episode is ANOTHER Terrance and Phillip one. I was laughing so much at that, I missed most of the scene. Seriously, that was so funny, I wouldn't have mind if it really was the entire episode! Not Without My Anus was hilarious, after all... On a side note, nice to see Terrance and Phillip back again after so long. Though why is Terrance still fat?

Overall, however, Cartoon Wars was simply awesome. South Park's other two-parters were both fairly average, and this one puts them completely to shame. My only complaints are that there was a bit too much use of real-life photos and video, and they lost track of South Park half-way through. Stan, Kenny and the rest of the town weren't even in Part 2, from what I can recall. While South Park's generally hit-or-miss now, this was the epitome of the show's current status. They even managed to find a new angle on the Cartman/Kyle feud, and actually incorporated it into the story and pulled it off extremely well. This is definitely the best South Park episode since Woodland Critter Christmas. If Matt and Trey keep up this standard for the rest of the season, then Season 10 could very well turn out to be pretty damn good!

9/10
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« Reply #549 on: 04-13-2006 06:57 »

I saw Trapped in a closet. Funny as hell if you dont have religion.
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« Reply #550 on: 04-13-2006 12:53 »

 
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Edit: Who else was a little dissapointed the Family Guy writers weren't Crab People?   smile

Not me, the manatees were a funnier explanation in my opinion.  How the manatees came up with Family Guy episodes was funnier still.

I enjoyed the episode quite a bit.  The Al-Qaeda video had me laughing pretty good.  Poorly animated feces spraying everywhere is always good for a chuckle.
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« Reply #551 on: 04-13-2006 13:43 »
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Anyone else notice that Cartman and Kyle fought their way through the King of the Hill season 11 writer's room? It was pretty obvious, but I could see someone missing it.
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« Reply #552 on: 04-13-2006 16:32 »

Part 2 was awesome!  Great episode!  I liked the manatees (I knew the writers would use something like that), the Bart Simpson gag, Cartman's and Kyle's fight, and the little cartoon at the end!  Yes, newhook, I have noticed that Cartman and Kyle fought and unwittingly broke into the King of the Hill studios! 

I liked in the beginning how it looked like another Terrance and Phillip episode was going to be shown.  The way T&P were portrayed in the beginning reminded me of Abbott and Costello and Laurel and Hardy.  I liked in the end how the episode was shown as planned and the disclaimer how Comedy Central couldn't show Mohammad.  Powerful episode!  Best one of the season so far!

I rate Cartoon Wars parts one and two 9/10!
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« Reply #553 on: 04-13-2006 16:53 »

 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060413/ap_on_en_tv/tv_south_park_muhammad

Confirmation for non-believers of who stopped what from being aired. It is apparently the reason for the ending: to show the hippocracy of not being able to show a tame picture of one religious figure, but being allowed to show one shitting on the American flag.
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« Reply #554 on: 04-13-2006 16:55 »
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CNN is also reporting this news, and Comedy Central is saying "In light of recent world events, we feel we made the right decision." Its executives would not comment further.
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« Reply #555 on: 04-13-2006 16:57 »
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Here here...
I am right (once again)

Freedom of speech is something Matt and Trey would not poke fun at.  It takes another creative mind to know. But then again, this coming from Nerd-o-rama.

Beamer, care to indulge on Matt and Trey's creative integrity some more? 


EDIT:  Added...
This is a turn around Beamer.  This is a turn around because I can now see Matt and Trey quitting after this season.  After all remember what they said in the show...
"its all or nothing"

If everything isn't fair game for them, then nothing is.

VIVA FREE SPEECH!
... HAH
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« Reply #556 on: 04-13-2006 17:29 »

I think this two-parter episode would have worked even better as a movie, I'm sure it's going to be on DVD like Passion of the Jew and all that.

Also, when they fought through the King of the Hill writing room, was that a joke at their expense? The writers seemed pretty bored/boring even after two kids had burst through the window and started fighting.
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« Reply #557 on: 04-14-2006 00:12 »
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Loved the King of the Hill references, too. Not the first time Matt & Trey have referenced it (the "propane and propane accessories" banner in Pre-School, anyone?), but certainly their most obvious one. I've heard that Matt & Trey and Mike Judge are friends, though nothing official on that. Either way, KotH and South Park started out around about the same time and were both at their most successful in their first 2/3 seasons, so there's a lot in common between the shows.

   
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This is a turn around Beamer.  This is a turn around because I can now see Matt and Trey quitting after this season.  After all remember what they said in the show...
"its all or nothing"

Wow, guess I was wrong. Either way, Matt and Trey quitting is not going to happen, because their contract goes up to Season 12. And it's not the first time Comedy Central have censored the show - apparentally Matt and Trey were planning an episode mocking islam years ago, but CC refused to let them go ahead and make it, fearing for their lives. Not to mention the fact that there are several episodes CC no longer airs (eg. Jared Has Aides has been prevented from being repeated due to numerous complaints from AIDS organisations)... Here's something you might be interested to read, though.

EDIT: Damn new keyboard, ruining my typing ability...
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« Reply #558 on: 04-14-2006 00:31 »
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Damn you, comedy central. If I were Matt and Trey I'd write Mohammad into every episode of season 10, Family Guy style. That'd show 'em.
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« Reply #559 on: 04-14-2006 00:54 »

Loved this episode.  That Terrance and Philip joke was great.  I also thought the writers of Family Guy came out of nowhere and it was hilarious.  That Coleman joke seems like something Family Guy would've done.

My question is how will Family Guy respond?
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