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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by SlackJawedMoron: It was a joke, Raven. Cool it. I'll get the anti-fanboy gun.
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RavenStar
Professor
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« Reply #44 on: 02-18-2005 03:21 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2005 03:21 »
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More articles, another picture: http://www.azcentral.com/ent/tv/articles/0218looney.html From Animation Insider: Loonatics, set seven hundred years into the future, introduces six descendants of some very famous figures from the past as they come together to form a brilliant ensemble of superheroes, each boasting special skills, unique abilities and gifted with a firm sense of justice. Alone they are formidable; together they are unstoppable. They're Loonatics.
Their beloved ancestors - Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Wile E. Coyote, the Road Runner, Tasmanian Devil, Lola Bunny - hold a very special place in history. But that was then. This is now.
In the year 2772, this super-charged, high-flying action team of a new generation shares the same DNA and sharp-edged wit as their Looney Tunes forefathers... and that's where the similarities end.
Loonatics are one of a kind - and today's heroes from tomorrow! No matter how high the odds are stacked against them, they'll whirl in to save the world without a moment's hesitation. Want to keep the world safe... call in Loonatics! This over-the-top, high-octane action-comedy is produced by Warner Bros. Animation. To surprise you all, I'm not gonna like this if it's too similar to TT. I love the old Looney Tunes, too. However, I'm just glad someone's risking a new direction for it. If it doesn't work out, fine. It won't work out. But don't go cry foul before it's even been shown.
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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While reading that, I had the image of a slick LA Marketing Type of guy speaking it to me.
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RavenStar
Professor
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ugh...if it ends up like the new TMNT - ugh......
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RavenStar
Professor
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You know, perhaps they actually asked the creators's families what they thought of it. But considering Chuck Jones, Friz Freleng, Robert McKimson, Mel Blanc, and Carl Stalling - the major main creators - are all dead -- kinda hard to ask their opinions on it.
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newhook_1
Urban Legend
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« Reply #53 on: 02-18-2005 10:58 »
« Last Edit on: 02-18-2005 10:58 »
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Ravnestar: The old Looney toons style would work fine nowdays, they just need writers that aren't shit. I know they'll never capture the magic of the old ones, but look at Tiny Toons in the early 1990s. It was good, and took the series in a new direction without ass raping it. New characters were brought into the spotlight, but it was still Loony Toons style writing and humor at its core. The trouble here is the fact that they've turned the Loony toons(well their grandkids or whatever) into goddamned superheroes. That's just not loony toons, they would have been better off just creating entirly new characters for this(these are not entirely new, from what I understand, they'll be based on the old character's personalities).
This applies to the Teen Titans argument as well. As far as I know, all those characters were previously super heros before being repackaged, the Loony Toons were not. As I said before, repackageing isn't a problem, I can understand the need to update characters and shows for the 21st centuary as I said in my previous post in this thread, but just isn't an update, this is just an attampt to cash in on the old Loony Toons, by using thier personalities as a launching point for a show which, quite frankly, seems to have no relation to Loony Toons besides the relations between the characters.
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RavenStar
Professor
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I'm not saying I don't have my reservations about this show, too. But if this "repackaging" is playing to the strengths of the animators and writers of today, then it will work out in the end. And who knows? If it works, perhaps WB will consider trying again with another incarnation of the classic style. I'm just trying to say we shouldn't rush to judgement on this yet.
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boingo2000
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by RavenStar: I'm sure Chuck Jones was rolling in his grave when that travesty of a movie "Back in Action" came out. Wait, wait wait wait wait wait WAIT! The Back in Action movie you consider a travesty, but you're willing to give an open mind to this piece of junk? At least the movie, flawed as it was, was done by someone who respected the original toons and was friends with the creators. (Director Joe Dante gave Chuck Jones a cameo in the first Gremlins, and Chuck did the opening animation for Gremlins 2.) And as for this whole "it's their decendants" argument? 3 words... "James Bond, Jr." Didn't work there, won't work here. Huh. I thought Lola Bunny was an awful, poorly-concieved character designend to add a love story to Space Jam. When did she become beloved? OK Raven, I know I'm beeing unfairly harsh on you just because you're asking us to give this show a fair shake, and I apologize. But I can't bring myself to have an open mind on this. It's like Warner Brothers set out to kill a piece of my soul by befouling my childhood, and they couldn't have been more succesful if they brought back the Care Bears as half-robot crime fighters in space.
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Nerd-o-rama
Urban Legend
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Originally posted by DotheBartman: What's ironic is that the 87' TMNT 'toon was actually just a complete bastardization of the original TMNT comics from 1984. I was sad when I learned that. I liked how lame the cartoon was. The comics are pretty good, though. Raven: People hate change. This is a fact. Most of the people I know here are generally willing to give an open mind to it, but in this case, there are a few mitigating circumstances: 1. Radical departure from the artistic style and tone of the original. What does this show have to do with Looney Toons, exactly? The only connections I can see are the superficial character similarities that seem like an advertising gimick, and they're both cartoons. 2. No input from the original creator. Instead, all we see is an effort by a heartless corporation to cash in on a classic property by taking a lame, overplayed idea and vaguely attaching it to something almost everyone in America has been watching since childhood. (See "advertising gimick," above.) 3. The implicit use of the lame "X-TREME!!11!1one" angle. I don't think I need to explain that. 4. 98% of superhero cartoons suck anyway. (Note that TT is in the other 2% most of the time.) I hope that explains the con position well. Guys, if I got it wrong, feel free to correct me.
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RavenStar
Professor
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there's a clip up now, finally: http://www.toonamiarsenal.com/misc/lf/LoonaticsPreview.mov I can say for certain that after seeing that, Dongwoo IS doing the bulk of the animation... but that preview doesn't really do anything; it's almost all live action, and Buzz Bunny (yeah, the names are kinda stupid) definitely has a different voice...but there wasn't enough actual clips to sway me one way or another. I'm now a little more apprehensive about this than I was before, but I'm still gonna hold out hope for when the first episode actually airs.
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leelaholic
Liquid Emperor
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Originally posted by homerjaysimpson: What about baby looney tunes? That was a pretty shity too. But at least it was still vaguely Looney Tunes. This is just... rape. For anyone who cares, the characters are named: Buzz (Bugs) Duck (Daffy) Spaz (Taz) Slick (Wile E. Coyote) Roadster (Road Runner) Lexi (Lola) Oh God.
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RavenStar
Professor
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According to ToonZone, design work on the series is by Christian and Yvon Tremblay, who did visual effects duties on Swat Kats.
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RavenStar
Professor
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She first appeared in "Space Jam."
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Jade_Gryphon
Delivery Boy
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
For anyone who cares, the characters are named:
Buzz (Bugs) Duck (Daffy) Spaz (Taz) Slick (Wile E. Coyote) Roadster (Road Runner) Lexi (Lola)
Oh God. Good lord. -_- DUCK? Well, That's an original name. And the effing brat of a kid (think, like Cubert, but worse...and more snotty.) I babysit on Saturdays is named Lexi...and well, that *kinda* gives me bit of another reason to dislike Lola, actually. Seriously, the makers of Space Jam basically ignored the fact that Bugs had a girlfriend from the old comics, Honey Bunny...I never could understand why they needed Lola when they had her. Granted, she did look slightly too much like Bugs in drag in the beginning there, but they fixed her up in the 80s and made her more femininey. (is that even a word? o_o) Anyhoo, the two other reasons I dislike the redesigns... 1.)Lack of facial mechanics. There's no pupils on their eyes, and other facial features that make for good facial expressions/Wild Takes...something the old looney tunes are famous for. 2.) lack of knee joints and/or hips. Seriously, most anthropomorphical/human cartoon characters are given knees and visible hips...but not these things. How the hell are these characters supposed to move?! o_o Thus, I'm somehow reminded of the VG Cats comic on the Ragnarok Online Sprites. xD
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~FazeShift~
Moderator
DOOP Ubersecretary
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Originally posted by evan: I bow to this show's writers. I would never have thought of naming a duck "Duck." That's some high-concept work right there. Maybe young kids won't know what the hell those drawings are supposed to be, so they named it simpler for them? Although that wouldn't explain the other names. "A technicality!"
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Grim
Professor
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Apparently the WB network has been starved of rating since first they revolved their Kids tv over pokemon after killing off Animanicas and all the likes of their early 90s Franchises. Now TeenTitans is their major successful item at the moment. Its funny that people have brought up the TMNT remake in here because a few years before Fox Kids picked that up and remade it, WB was in preproduction of doing their own version of it, but the execs didnt like it and it was cancelled before animation ever started. have a look see here- http://www.ninjaturtles.com/warner/warner.html
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Nurdbot
DOOP Secretary
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Yep, we're boned alright.
That was utter bollocks.
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Otis P Jivefunk
DOOP Secretary
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Maaan what a pile of suckilicious crap. There's over 1000 Looney Tunes cartoons in the vaults, over 1000! That's enough for anyone, and most of these are actually good! Why would anyone possibly need to waste their time on this new crap? Just watch the old ones. The thing I don't understand is; when I watched these as a kid they were 30-40-50 years old, but I still enjoyed them. But now that they're another 10 years older or so, now the kids today can't enjoy them? So this new shit has to get made? Huh? don't get it?... It sounds more like to me that it doesn't need to get made, and that kids today would enjoy the classic Looney Tunes just like we did. It's just that there's more money to be made with a new series, and the execs have basically said to hell with the consequences. Corrupting a classic franchise... Anyway, if they're going to fuck up something classic, they may as well fuck it properly. Why the hell does Buzz and Slick look almost the same? And they've left out such classic grandchildren as Sammy (Yosemite Sam) and Alien (Marvin the Martian) Seriously though, these names are piss poor just like this whole concept... Do yourself a favor and pick up the Looney Tunes Golden Collection box sets on DVD. I've got the first set, they've done the old cartoon up really well, and they're all classics. AND they can still make money this way, why aren't they satisfied? Greedy bastards… But anyway, at least they've been treated with respect on the DVD box sets...
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