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DotheBartman

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« Reply #680 on: 04-02-2005 02:24 »
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Originally posted by starone:
Someone on Jump the Shark said something about the Simpsons that I fully agree with. It's become a watered down South Park.

Or South Park was a more risque Simpsons?

Come on, I've seen this argument before, but it just doesn't make sense.

Haven't checked the JTS page in a little while.  Its interesting, but to be honest a lot of the people there are idiots, even the ones I agree with.  The South Park page is incidentally incomprehensible to me.

EDIT: Just look at it again finally.  That guy actually wasn't too bad (though I still say the South Park complaint is just completely invalid), if only because he says things in general terms and doesn't offer anything to argue with either way (like specific examples).  On the other hand, the talk about "There's Something About Marrying" above is some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
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« Reply #681 on: 04-04-2005 18:32 »

The Seven-Beer Snitch

I have to say that the writing wasn't all that great, but there was enough of it that the story made sense, unlike the disastorous Mobile Homer. The jokes weren't that great, though, and I don't think I laughed once, although I rather enjoyed the Otto drug thing.
Rating: B-
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« Reply #682 on: 04-05-2005 02:06 »

"Pranksta Rap" is on tonight in Australia. I can't miss that. Is it a good episode?
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« Reply #683 on: 04-05-2005 08:39 »

It's pretty funny, and it's good fun, even if you don't enjoy 50 Cent's cameo. I'd say it was one of the better episodes of this season.
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« Reply #684 on: 04-05-2005 18:44 »

I saw "Pranksta Rap" last night. I liked it.  I agree with what Bender&Fry said. 4/5!
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #685 on: 04-10-2005 14:10 »

Here's the cover for the next Simpsons Guide book, out in October...

I honestly can't believe we already have cover art half a year before it's released, but I ain't complaining!...
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« Reply #686 on: 04-10-2005 18:44 »

Hahaha, I like the book's tagline.  tongue
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« Reply #687 on: 04-10-2005 20:16 »

Looks cool. (Clool, Otis?) I'm definitely picking this one up.
JDB

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« Reply #688 on: 04-11-2005 01:58 »

"One Step Beyond Forever" That's cool. This one has a good cover, too!
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« Reply #689 on: 04-11-2005 19:16 »

 
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Originally posted by bender&fry:
The Seven-Beer Snitch

I have to say that the writing wasn't all that great, but there was enough of it that the story made sense, unlike the disastorous Mobile Homer. The jokes weren't that great, though, and I don't think I laughed once, although I rather enjoyed the Otto drug thing.
Rating: B-

Dude, get over yourself. Nobody is going to stop watching the show based on your ratings.
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« Reply #690 on: 04-11-2005 20:18 »

What exactly did he do wrong?  He was just reviewing the episode. 

Incidentally, I thought it a C/C+.  Too lazy to copy and paste my NHC review at the moment.
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« Reply #691 on: 04-12-2005 05:42 »
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Lrrr_2004, I find several flaws in your post.

First of all, why would I want people to stop watching The Simpsons? The logic in me tells me that you're thinking that I hate the show and want others to do too. Well if that's the case, I don't hate The Simpsons, okay? That's why I post in this thread so much.

Second of all, I was just giving an honest grade to a bad episode. I don't know what's bad about that.

So, in conclusion, I don't want people to stop watching The Simpsons, and I was just reviewing an episode, you little douche. I find you guilty of being an ass and sentence you to death.
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« Reply #692 on: 04-12-2005 22:23 »

B- is hardly a bad grade anyway... Hell, anything over a C is considered decent.
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« Reply #693 on: 04-13-2005 01:07 »

Lrrr, are you going to have a go at people in the movie review thread or the South Park thread next?
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« Reply #694 on: 04-13-2005 03:37 »

I saw 'On A Clear Day I Can't See My Sister' last night and I liked it. It was a good episode. I loved Grampa's line "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO..MES!!!!" That was so cool.

I give it a 'B'.
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« Reply #695 on: 04-13-2005 08:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Beamer:
B- is hardly a bad grade anyway... Hell, anything over a C is considered decent.

I'd agree with this a C+ is the minimum I'd expect from an episode and for me is an acceptable quality episode.

Although I have to admit I am expecting more these days, and weaker episodes do dissapoint me more, because I think its getting past the point where, "Oh it needs time to recover from the Scully era" is an acceptable excuse, its 3 and a half years later and a lot of the problem are still far too prominent. I kind of think Large scale staff changes might be in order.

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« Reply #696 on: 04-13-2005 13:07 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
 I kind of think Large scale staff changes might be in order.

When Futurama ceased production, they should have just fired all The Simpsons staff and replaced them with the Futurama team. That would have helped I'm sure...

DotheBartman

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« Reply #697 on: 04-13-2005 16:36 »

Doubt it.  They'd be uprooting all the people that were used to working on the show and starting from scratch, which would be guaranteed to hurt the show.  Plus, as great as the Futurama writers were as writers for Futurama, the same ones might not be as suited to The Simpsons (Ken Keeler was, IMO, below average as a Simpsons writer, whereas his Futurama work was always among the very best).  They're too very different shows.

For the problems the show does still have, I think its a combination of parts of the current staff (certainly not all of them), the fact that during the Scully years certain  ideas about what should be done on the show were started that can't be fully reversed, and just the age of the show itself.  For the show to fully become as good as it used to be, they'd pretty much have to get most of the writers from seasons 1-4 back full time, or go back in time to stop the Scully years from happening, or something.
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« Reply #698 on: 04-14-2005 04:40 »

Hey, I just thought of something. Why didn't Channel ten show "There's Something About Marrying"?
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« Reply #699 on: 04-14-2005 07:02 »

They're saving it for a later date, I think because they need to find a timeslot for it, as they'll be calling it an 'Adult's Only' episode, and is likely to be shown at 9:00 or so instead of 7:30.
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« Reply #700 on: 04-14-2005 14:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
 When Futurama ceased production, they should have just fired all The Simpsons staff and replaced them with the Futurama team. That would have helped I'm sure...



Well they got Brian Kelley, Stewert Burns, Bill Odenkirk, Jeff Westbrook, and even thought it as a guest writing appearnce
There's one by Patric Verrone, how much more do you want.

But Futurama was still uneven through out its run, just less so than Simpsons today so I don't think they would solve many of the problems.
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« Reply #701 on: 04-14-2005 14:37 »

Solve no, helped yes...
DotheBartman

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« Reply #702 on: 04-14-2005 16:38 »

Maybe...but that's a BIG if.  To be honest, I've found the results of jumped-ship Futurama writers working on The Simpsons to be pretty mixed so far (J. Stewart Burns is the only really consistently good one, and his latest still had some sizable issues with structure).  And more importantly, the fact is that Futurama and The Simpsons are very different shows....a writer who works well on one may not work so well on another.  If they imported all (or the majority) of Futurama's former staff, would all of those writers truly "get" The Simpsons and have the right philosophy on it?  Or would they be stuck in the mindset of their last show, and think that every line that wrote had to be really crazy and surreal?  Futurama was an immensely clever show, but it didn't always have the emphasis on character-driven dialogue and writing that The Simpsons requires (nor did Futurama always require it); would the same writers be able to transfer their skill over to Simpsons, or would every line they wrote sound really goofy and strange in the context of this show?

So, I wouldn't expect them all to improve The Simpsons, just as I wouldn't expect even some of the best Simpsons writers to even work all that well on Futurama.
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« Reply #703 on: 04-14-2005 22:56 »

 
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Originally posted by JDB:
Hey, I just thought of something. Why didn't Channel ten show "There's Something About Marrying"?

Channel 10 aren't exactly known for following episode order. Hell, last year, they showed Smart & Smarter as the 16/17th episode, it was meant to be the 13th. And they still haven't aired Treehouse of Horror XV yet, which was MEANT to be the season preimiere (they might be saving it for Halloween, but that really makes no sense - it's not a big holiday down here, and they've been airing them as season preimieres here since Season 13 anyway).

As for There's Something About Marrying, they will DEFINITELY show it (although not next week - they're airing Goo Goo Gai Pan), but just at a later date. They've been advertising it so much, and they're probably holding onto it for a while so they can put it on at a time when it's likely to milk the most viewers.

All I can say is look forward to it, the episode is abso-fucking-lutely great. A+ material, like J. Stewart Burns's other 2 Simpsons episodes.  smile
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« Reply #704 on: 04-15-2005 02:26 »

Thanks for the Info, Beamer. smile
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #705 on: 04-15-2005 06:22 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Maybe...but that's a BIG if.  To be honest, I've found the results of jumped-ship Futurama writers working on The Simpsons to be pretty mixed so far (J. Stewart Burns is the only really consistently good one, and his latest still had some sizable issues with structure).  And more importantly, the fact is that Futurama and The Simpsons are very different shows....a writer who works well on one may not work so well on another.  If they imported all (or the majority) of Futurama's former staff, would all of those writers truly "get" The Simpsons and have the right philosophy on it?  Or would they be stuck in the mindset of their last show, and think that every line that wrote had to be really crazy and surreal?  Futurama was an immensely clever show, but it didn't always have the emphasis on character-driven dialogue and writing that The Simpsons requires (nor did Futurama always require it); would the same writers be able to transfer their skill over to Simpsons, or would every line they wrote sound really goofy and strange in the context of this show?

So, I wouldn't expect them all to improve The Simpsons, just as I wouldn't expect even some of the best Simpsons writers to even work all that well on Futurama.

Although this could well be the case, you have to remember that these said Simpsons episodes by Futurama writers, which have turned out pretty mixed, may not have been entirely down to the Futurama writer. The amount of collaboration that goes in during the production stage is huge, so there'll inevitably be parts which aren't by the writer, instead they'll be by the Simpsons writers. These could have infact been the cause of these mixed elements. Unless these mixed element were entirely down to the plot, then I wouldn’t be sure…


I'm sure writers of Futurama would be able to adapt quite easily to The Simpsons. Although rather different shows, the writers knew they wouldn't be wring Futurama for the rest of their lives. Writers have to adapt, it's part of their job. And anyone writing for Futurama will inevitably be very familiar with The Simpsons anyway…

I found your last paragraph somewhat ironic, as I quite like Ken Keeler’s Simpsons episodes. They're no classics, but they're good episodes. And I also love Ken Keeler’s Futurama episodes. I do agree he was more suited for Futurama, but I feel he was a good player in both fields, which proves it can be done...


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« Reply #706 on: 04-15-2005 12:21 »

Sorry You just appear to desperatley trying to convince yourself that everything would be allright if only the perfect godlike futurama writers came along and solved everything.
Its just not the case. You have to admit Futurama was a lot more irratic in its 4 seasons than Simpsons was in its first 4 seasons hell I'd even say 8.
I'd love to see David Cohen back
Much Apu about Nothing and the I&S&P Show are both top 10 episodes.
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« Reply #707 on: 04-15-2005 14:16 »
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
Sorry You just appear to desperatley trying to convince yourself that everything would be allright if only the perfect godlike futurama writers came along and solved everything.
Its just not the case.

I’m not trying to convince anyone, I’m stating my personal opinion. If you take it deadly seriously to the point where you think I‘m trying to “convince” you, then that’s your problem. I state my opinions, that’s what message boards are for. I accept your opinions my differ, however it’s when my opinions are so often questioned and taken out of context that I go through these tedious motions just to stand on the ground I started on…

What I am saying is I personally think that the standards in which The Simpsons are now at, would likely raise slightly with the Futurama team working on them as opposed to the current Simpsons team.  However, even with the Futurama team working on them I’m not saying The Simpsons would be anywhere near classic standard, or that all the problems would be instantly fixed, far from it in fact. As dothebartman pointed out, new problems could likely arise, although I think more problems would be solved than would arise, thus more than compansating...

I do think it would improve though, which is why I made my original post. I don’t think it would improve anywhere near up to classic standard, and not up to Futurama standards either. I do however think it would improve up to a higher standard than the series has been for some time.

Here's an example to clarify what I mean (don’t take the percentages literally, they aren’t to display how I’d grade the given episodes, they’re to show a representation of what I mean). Say the Simpsons classic years were 95%; and The Simpsons now are 55%. With the Futurama team taking over, I'd personally expect the quality level would raise to around 65%. Not a huge increase, and certainly no where near classic standards, but a noticeable improvement...
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« Reply #708 on: 04-15-2005 14:18 »
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Milkshake... I mean mistake...

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« Reply #709 on: 04-15-2005 14:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
 When Futurama ceased production, they should have just fired all The Simpsons staff and replaced them with the Futurama team. That would have helped I'm sure...

And they should have replaced all The Simpsons characters with the Futurama characters and changed the setting from Springfield to New New York.  Also, they should have changed the title to Futurama.
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« Reply #710 on: 04-15-2005 14:55 »

And change the animation from hand drawn to digital, oh wait... they already did...

I'm glad not everyone takes my my posts too seriously...
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« Reply #711 on: 04-15-2005 15:17 »

Has Future-Drama aired yet or is it this Sunday?
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« Reply #712 on: 04-15-2005 16:46 »

Its this Sunday.
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« Reply #713 on: 04-15-2005 19:46 »

Otis I actually said convince yourself.
I don't maybe I'm wrong its just argument seemed a little desperate, I don't why.
But there are still some newer Simpsons writers that are better than some futurama writers.

To be honest I don't even know what I'm trying to say anymore, Ignore me.
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« Reply #714 on: 04-15-2005 21:02 »

 
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Originally posted by Lrrr_2004:
 Dude, get over yourself. Nobody is going to stop watching the show based on your ratings.

I am grading your post... My ultimate grade:

RATING: F ---- for Ultimate Fucktard   up yours

Onto more important things.  I have to agree more with DtB otis, not that I don't think the Futurama writers aren't godlike (because they are and anything they work on turns into gold), but mostly because the "Simpsons writers" are not a set of people set in stone.  They get new writers all the time and the staff changes from year to year.  I'd also like to add that I honestly enjoy some of the earlier episodes of Futurama better than the later ones.  However, that could be my own bias and wanton nostalgia.... *quickly runs away*
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« Reply #715 on: 04-16-2005 05:29 »

 
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Originally posted by User_names_suck:
Otis I actually said convince yourself.
I don't maybe I'm wrong its just argument seemed a little desperate, I don't why.
But there are still some newer Simpsons writers that are better than some futurama writers.

To be honest I don't even know what I'm trying to say anymore, Ignore me.

I agree there are some newer Simpsons writers better than some Futurama writers, but not many...

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« Reply #716 on: 04-17-2005 21:13 »

Future-Drama

Great show. I thought it was great, at least. The Bender cameo was on of those "Oh My God!" moments. Even without the Bender moment, it was a great episode. I liked the underwater apartment in the episode and the fact that it was in the future rather than the Simpsons present made it cool.

A(and that's not just because of Bender)
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« Reply #717 on: 04-17-2005 22:32 »

This and "Sleeping with the Enemy" have easily been the best of this season so far.

Though I'd been looking forward to this episode for a while, I was concerned that it would bomb as badly as "Bart to the Future" did. Thankfully that was not the case, and I'd call this episode one of the best of the Jean era. Where "Bart to the Future" completely missed the point, this one took a more "Lisa's Wedding" route, combining a solid story with inspired futuristic humor.

And boy, was this a damn funny episode. I don't think I could nearly name all the little gags I loved. The references to future politics ("Gulf War Five, Rescue the President's Head", "The 51st State", Vice President Cletus, "Vote Ape" ), "No one's gay for Moleman", Smithers having "straightness" injections, Nelson's future with Sherri and Terri, the Milhouse flashback near Costington's, the three-eyed whale....these were all examples of things that had me laughing out loud, and laughed quite a bit throughout. That's no small task. Even the token Ralph scene was excellent, and I loved, Loved, LOVED the Bender cameo, complete with John DiMaggio voicing! Good call showing Maggie through a silent post card as well.

I dug the story too, although I do think it could have been done better. They didn't actually show Lisa as much as I think they needed to, or showed Bart struggling between taking or leaving the Yale scholarship as much as they needed to, for the story to work as well as it could have IMO, and in fact the same goes with the somewhat underdeveloped sub-plot with Homer and Marge. Nonetheless, it was all still charmingly and believably written (contrasting the bizzare nature of other parts of the episode, much like Lisa's Wedding), and easy enough to relate to and get into.

Now, this is another futuristic flash-forward show, so it warrants comparison to the others. "Bart to the Future" is easily bested by it for hopefully obvious reasons. As for "Lisa's Wedding", I don't think this is anywhere close to matching that, but that isn't really a slant towards "Future-Drama". "Lisa's Wedding" is probably my second favorite episode ever; its one of those few episodes I almost cried (and still almost cry) watching, and as cliche as this might sound its one of those proud few episodes that really became a part of me in a way. That's hard to top, no matter what show and the quality therof. That said, this episode stands nicely on its own, and unlike "BTTF" isn't crippled by its predeccessor by any means. I'm not sure if it'll go down as a classic of the whole series' run, but it might be possible. I'm going to need to give this one another viewing soon, but for now I'd give this a:

A/A-
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« Reply #718 on: 04-18-2005 01:09 »

This was a great episode. Perhaps a bit too future-wacky, especially given it's only supposed to be 8 years in the future, but very, very funny with a strong story driving it, some inventive character changes (both physical and otherwise), and a good new character voiced well by a guest star. I don't even have to mention Bender. An easy A. 
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« Reply #719 on: 04-18-2005 06:31 »

 
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Future-Drama

Great show. I thought it was great, at least. The Bender cameo was on of those "Oh My God!" moments. Even without the Bender moment, it was a great episode. I liked the underwater apartment in the episode and the fact that it was in the future rather than the Simpsons present made it cool.

A(and that's not just because of Bender)

When i read that it has Bender in was saying "OH my god!" I going to have to download this episode.


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