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Beamer
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Newhook - I think it'll probably be Al Jean again. It doesn't exactly seem like they plan to pass the torch anytime soon, and I'm fine with that. Ever since he's been in charge, the show's improved with each new season so far. Also, on a side note, I'm looking forward to Thank God, It's Doomsday. The title intrigues me...
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DotheBartman
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Newhook, Jean is already confirmed as the producer on season 17, and possibly beyond. And I checked the credits....no Albert Brooks in this case.
Anyways, my review:
Started off mostly laughing. Ended mostly cringing.
I think at this point, if I had to pinpoint the biggest problem this season's had, its been in the story writing. At this point the only story/character based episode that I've thought was especcially well written was "Sleeping With the Enemy". On the other hand, "All's Fair in Oven War", "She Used to Be My Girl", "Goo Goo Gai Pan" (despite a couple nice scenes), and "On a Clear Day I Can't See My Sister" have all had major problems in the story and character writing. "Mommie Beerest" could also have been written better, though charming character writing at least redeemed it.
This was probably the worst outing in this area for this season though. It seemed to start a mostly pointless and just not very well written "rivalry" between Marge and Homer. None of it felt particularly genuine to me and it just jumped from plot-point to plot-point. The whole middle of the episode basically just consisted of them "competing" and acting mean to each other. The ending consisted of the ridiculous RV chase that somehow miraculously fixed everything, and then hanging around on a ship for some reason. The characters were just portrayed too unlikably, and everything felt too quick and easy, and kind of amateurish.
What saved a lot of the episodes I mentioned earlier was that they were generally funny enough to still be enjoyable despite their flaws. Not really the case here. It started off decently enough. I enjoyed most of the Sunday drive stuff, the garage cleaning, etc. Basically the whole first act was enjoyable on some level, despite a few duds (like Homer's hand in the paper-shredder). After that it petered out almost completely, with a decent line every two or three minutes ("Remember to ask Jeeves" ) but not much more. The ending in particular was just really lame humor wise to me. And there were some call-backs like Propetier Bob that would have been appreciated if they were funny, but in this case just really weren't funny.
Well animated/directed. Mostly funny first act. But other then that not good, and the first real big dud for me this season. Not bad enough to be in the running of worst episode evers of course, but fairly bad.
C-/D+
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Nurdbot
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Originally posted by evan: There are two cliches I hate on The Simpsons:
1. The State of Homer and Marge's Marriage and 2. Opposing Family Members Come Together to Save Other Family Member(s) From Death.
This episode had both, and I can't say I really paid much attention to it. Same here. I hate those episodes because you know Homer is going to act pathetic/whiny or do some sort of stupid scheme and they end up back together. I avoid watching these episodes now. The Guest Stars in these episodes are mostly quite bad.
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bender+fry
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Oh, god, this sucked! It started out okay, but then the plot got all weird and wacky. (Bart and Lisa driving an RV? What the fuck?)
Rating: D+
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User_names_suck
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« Reply #649 on: 03-21-2005 12:38 »
« Last Edit on: 03-21-2005 12:38 »
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Well Bart's driven a car in the past. In fact so has Lisa and it didn't bother me. I wish people would stop talking about wackiness as if its bad in itself. same with guest stars, there's been less wackiness and guest stars this season than in previous classic seasons anyway.
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Otis P Jivefunk
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Originally posted by User_names_suck: there's been less wackiness and guest stars this season than in previous classic seasons anyway. In all fairness Season 16 isn't over yet, so there's time...
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User_names_suck
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But based on the infomation we have there probably won't be. But the point is its such nonsense, most people here have come to accept that actually Simpsons today doesn't rely on guest stars, wacky plots and jerkass homer but we still ocassionly get stupid comments that aren't actually true. By all means critcise away, DTB is very defensive of new Simpsons, but he's given this episode a very harsh review, and its fine because he points to actual parts of the episode as a way of criticisng it and doesn't resort to hyperole.
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DotheBartman
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Originally posted by Nurdbot: Same here. I hate those episodes because you know Homer is going to act pathetic/whiny or do some sort of stupid scheme and they end up back together. I avoid watching these episodes now. The Guest Stars in these episodes are mostly quite bad.
User has it right.....know what you're talking about first. Neither of these things were really problems in this episode, and I didn't even like it for god's sake. There weren't any guest stars at all for one thing. And yeah, wacky is not inheritely bad. Many great episodes have wackiness in them. I didn't think the RV chase thing was very well done, but the problem wasn't the wackiness, just that it wasn't very well written as part of the story.
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bender+fry
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Well wackiness seems to be bad for the current Simpsons writers. They seem to use it as an excuse to end any problem. The episode, in the middle, was about Marge and Homer disagreeing about the money that Homer brings in for the family. Then, one car chase/car crash later, they were all on a Turkish ship eating dinner, like everything was all right again. I mean, come on!
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Nurdbot
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I'm talking about all Homer-Marge Marriage Problem Episodes post Series 9, Bartman. Unless you consider Weird Al a good guest star.
I hope you feel real bad now.
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User_names_suck
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But this one didn't, 'Mommie Beerest' Kind of was and it didn't. 'Co-dependents' day didn't. Well ok a band was playing in the background but their was no speaking part. 'Geek Wedding' had Matt Groening and 'Diatribe' had clancy/pynochon and the olsen twins but they had no bearing on the plot. Their very quick appearnces I admit I don't really enjoy most of these appearnces but I don't really see why its such a big problem.
Weird Al I do kind of agree that its a bigger problem because it was longer, more unbelivable and used to develop the plot. But it still doesn't throw me into a fit of rage like it seems to for you.
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Nurdbot
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I'm tired of being fed the same plot over and over, but that's me.
A little bit of originality is all I ask.
*Minor character is killed off*
Awww, forget it.
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Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #661 on: 03-23-2005 18:47 »
« Last Edit on: 03-23-2005 18:47 »
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk: I've decided to do the almost impossible and compile my Top Ten Simpsons episodes ever! (bearing in mind I've only seen the first 13 Seasons in there entirety, but I have seen roughly a quarter of Seasons 14 and 15). This list is subject to change, however this is how I feel right now...
Otis' Top Ten... 01) "Lemon of Troy" 02) "Bart Sells His Soul" 03) "Treehouse of Horror VI" 04) "Homer the Heretic" 05) "Trilogy of Error" 06) "Sideshow Bob Roberts" 07) "Dead Putting Society" 08) "Itchy & Scratchy Land" 09) "Saturdays of Thunder" 10) "Homers Enemy"... No offense, but exept for number 1, that's the worst top 10 list i've ever seen, just my opinion. Here's mine. Feel free to criticize it. 1) "Duffless" (4) 2) "Last Exit To Springfield" (4) 3) "Treehouse of Horror V" (6) 4) "Deep Space Homer" (5) 5) "Cape Feare" (5) 6) "Lemon of Troy" (6) 7) "Mr. Plow" (4) 8) "The Springfield Files" (8) 9) "Marge on the Lam" (5) 10) "Homer the Vigilante" (5)
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User_names_suck
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Can't be botherd to sort things into a top 10 right now but here's all 25 of my A+ episodes.
Simpson and Delilah Two Cars in Every Garage and Three Eyes on Every Fish Lisa's Substitute Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington Flaming Moe's Separate Vocations A Streetcar Named Marge Homer the Heretic Duffless Last Exit to Springfield Homer's Barbershop Quartet Rosebud Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song Sideshow Bob Roberts Treehouse of Horror V And Maggie Makes Three Lisa's Wedding Bart Sells His Soul Mother Simpson Lisa the Iconoclast Bart on the Road Much Apu About Nothing You Only Move Twice The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show Homer vs. the Eighteenth Amendment
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Otis P Jivefunk
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Originally posted by Lrrr_2004: No offense, but exept for number 1, that's the worst top 10 list i've ever seen, just my opinion. I like what I like, and don't follow general fan favorites. All the eps I listed I think are awesome eps, they are awesome eps...
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Beamer
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Here's my Top 20 list. It's not EXACTLY in favoured order, although I would definitely like 1-5 more than 6-10, etc. and I wouldn't say it's fully correct, since I'm just going by memory and have more than likely missed out some favourites (I know I'd like to include a flashback episode or two in there, but it's so hard to decide which ones are the best - they're all good...) 1. You Only Move Twice 2. Marge vs the Monorail 3. Homer's Phobia 4. Behind the Laughter 5. The Springfield Files 6. The PTA Disbands 7. Lisa's Wedding 8. Deep Space Homer 9. Mother Simpson 10. The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show 11. Homer the Smithers 12. The Simpsons' 138th Show Spectacular 13. Grade School Confidential 14. The Last Temptation Of Homer 15. Bart on the Road 16. Weekend At Burnsies 17. The City of New York vs Homer Simpson 18. Trilogy of Error 19. Home Sweet Homediddly-Dum-Doodily 20. Moe Baby Blues *Sits back and dodges the various items thrown from every other PEELer*
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Otis P Jivefunk
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No no, it's clool to see 'Trilogy of Error' on your list ...
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bender+fry
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Yeah, but I thought that Hungry, Hungry, Homer was better than Behind the Laughter. Extra points for creativity, maybe?
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Otis P Jivefunk
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I love 'Homer Badman' too, it'd probably be in my top 30 although I haven't seen it for years. Roll on Season 6 DVD's!...
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User_names_suck
Professor
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Homer bad man just falls short for me A/A+.
Simply on account of the plot just being a series of t.v parodies, it kind of doesn't go anywhere, even though that's the point/ its just a millionth of an iota short of full marks however.
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JDB
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Since some PEELers were doing the top ten lists, I might do one.
These aren't 'top ten', they are just episodes I really liked (and they're in no order):
Lemon Of Troy The Call Of The Simpsons Brother From Another Series Bart's Comet Itchy And Scratchy Land Brother From The Same Planet Trilogy Of Error The City Of New York VS Homer Simpson Dumbell Identity Treehouse Of Horror 6 Kamp Krusty Bart On The Road Cape Feare Treehouse Of Horror 3 Duffless Homer The Great My Sister, My Sitter The Springfield Files
They're my Favourites. I just know I've forgot to put some on there, though.
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