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DotheBartman

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« Reply #400 on: 12-24-2004 03:05 »

Right....I don't even know how I missed that.  One of the best extras, probably the best behind the commentaries.  Its especcially nice because it helps you make comparisons in the actual episode of what was left in and what was changed.  And the commentary for that was truly gold.
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« Reply #401 on: 12-24-2004 03:07 »

Is the original animation for that episode in full colour, or is it just an antimatic?
DotheBartman

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« Reply #402 on: 12-24-2004 04:10 »

Full color.  What happened with "Some Enchanted Evening" (this is explained better on the commentary by the way) is that when the animation came back it was bad, potentially series killing bad if the other shows looked that bad (when they saw "Bart the Genius" for the first time it apparently was the first official indication that the problem was fixable).  So they had David Silverman almost completely redo the episode, and it became the season finale instead of the season premiere.

The animatic on the set is a small clip from "Bart the General" where it shows you comparisons between that and the final show, with Silverman and Groening talking over it.
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« Reply #403 on: 12-24-2004 07:34 »

Although the commentary for the original bad SEE isn't on the R2 release, thankfully leelaholic gave me a transcript.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #404 on: 12-24-2004 13:11 »
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Thanx for the DVD artwork pix, DotheBartman. That looks even better than I'd imagined, awesome stuff    cool...

edit - btw, is it true there'll be no new Simpsons episodes airing in the US until at least mid January? Because if it is, then this'll be the shortest Season ever!...
Ranadok

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« Reply #405 on: 12-24-2004 15:56 »

I've seen Fox advertise "a brand new episode EVERY WEEK until May!!!!" for several of their shows, might they be doing the same with the Simpsons?
newhook_1

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« Reply #406 on: 12-25-2004 10:22 »

I'm pretty sure, but we're going 3 weeks without one now.
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« Reply #407 on: 12-25-2004 18:49 »

Did anybody saw Marge Simpson Christmas speach on Channel 4 today?
Lrrr_2004
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« Reply #408 on: 12-25-2004 19:08 »

Does any of the cast do commentaries?  Last DVD set, only Jon Lovitz, and Conan O'Brien did commentaries (besides the writers and directers and Groening of course.)
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« Reply #409 on: 12-26-2004 01:23 »
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You are forgetting Hank Azaria, and O'Brien was a writer for that season. I think that there is a similar lineup for season 5, with minimal voice actors.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #410 on: 12-26-2004 02:53 »

Season five has Dan Castellenetta and Yeardley Smith on two of them, and the "Barbershop" commentary has Hank Azaria and (for some reason) Jon Lovitz.   

And if you're referring to past commentaries season three had Dan, Yeardley, Nancy Cartwright, and Julie Kavner.
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« Reply #411 on: 12-26-2004 05:24 »

 
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Originally posted by Juliet:
Did anybody saw Marge Simpson Christmas speach on Channel 4 today?

Yeah I did, I saw it twice, and taped it on the second time. It was alright, not great, but not bad either. Pity it was only 2 and a half minutes...
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« Reply #412 on: 12-26-2004 07:02 »

Hehe I love Homer parts

“Father Christmas, but I thought I was going as Santa Clause”
“They both the same guy”
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« Reply #413 on: 12-26-2004 15:01 »

That was pretty good, and Bart turning the TV camera around to reveal it wasn't their house was pretty clool. It was also awesome to get brand new Simpsons before the US...
leelaholic

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« Reply #414 on: 12-26-2004 15:13 »
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Actually, the US doesn't get it at all. That's why I had to download it. It had some funny lines, I thought.

MARGE: And in world events, the friendship between America and Britain is stronger than ever. You're like Mini-Me to our Doctor Evil, helping out in all our zany schemes to take over the world! (imitates Austin Powers) Haha, yeah baby!
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« Reply #415 on: 12-26-2004 17:05 »

I know you guys don't get it at all, I didn't want to rub it in too much, but hey, if you want to...
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« Reply #416 on: 12-26-2004 21:11 »
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Actually, the US doesn't get it at all. That's why I had to download it

Where'd you get it from? I'd like to see it, considering it won't air in Australia either.

EDIT: Nevermind, found it. Pretty funny - I liked the stuff about Santa Clause being Jesus's grandfather. "He had 2 grandfathers?! They were gay?!"
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« Reply #417 on: 12-27-2004 13:08 »

The gay joke is the main part I didn't find funny...
DotheBartman

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« Reply #418 on: 12-27-2004 15:19 »

I thought the short was weak, but I didn't expect anything out of it anyway.  Had a couple chuckles anyway.  But I think it'll be one of those things that will be far more interesting five to ten years from now then it is now, much like the old Butterfinger commercials and so forth on the dvds.
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« Reply #419 on: 12-27-2004 17:01 »

I loved the KFC advert on the Season 4 DVD's, I'd never seen it before, but thought it was awesome  cool...
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« Reply #420 on: 12-28-2004 18:50 »

I got Season 1! smile And with the money I got for Xmas, I also bought season 2 and 3!!! big grin
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« Reply #421 on: 01-12-2005 21:03 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Actually, the US doesn't get it at all. That's why I had to download it. It had some funny lines, I thought.

MARGE: And in world events, the friendship between America and Britain is stronger than ever. You're like Mini-Me to our Doctor Evil, helping out in all our zany schemes to take over the world! (imitates Austin Powers) Haha, yeah baby!

Marge imitated Austin Powers? That is SO OOC.

Anyway, I didn't get Season 5 for X-Mas and think that has fueled my hatred for the show. I also hate the show becasue:

A)In the first season, Flanders was just a guy who had things better than Homer. He soon became a God-fearing goody-2-two-shoes. Now he's an anti-Semetic, homophobic, anti-Hindu, anti-Buddisim, anti-every-culture-except-Christian Bible thumper.

B)In the commentray for (I think) "Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th commendanment", they said they tried to make a realisitic, sympathetic, caring person. Now he's one of those conversative Christians who burns books and think Harry Potter is evil.

C) In "All's Fair in Oven War", Apu says that in India his dream was to move to America and get married and have kids. Now that he's achived that dream his new dream is to abandon his family and go back to India. He actually moves back to India in this episode. Thos offends me especially since I recently realized what I want most in life a wife who loves me, is there for me if I feel scared of depressed, etc. Why Apu would want to his beautiful wife is beyond me.

D) At the end of Simpsons comics #100, OFF is falling off a cliff. I was told (I don't exactly remember how) that SC#101 would continue from that. It didn't, and I'll never know what happened to them after #100. Even Bongo Comics has betrayed me.
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« Reply #422 on: 01-12-2005 21:33 »

So... you're upset because you didn't get a DVD collection of episodes for Christmas of a show you just said you hate? Riiiight...
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« Reply #423 on: 01-12-2005 21:39 »

 
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C) In "All's Fair in Oven War", Apu says that in India his dream was to move to America and get married and have kids. Now that he's achived that dream his new dream is to abandon his family and go back to India. He actually moves back to India in this episode. Thos offends me especially since I recently realized what I want most in life a wife who loves me, is there for me if I feel scared of depressed, etc. Why Apu would want to his beautiful wife is beyond me.

He's a cartoon, lad. It wasn't ment to be taken seriously, just like Pintel and Ragetti. It didn't even factor into the continuity of the show. You need to start realiseing that there's a difference between real life and animated characters, but most of all, you need to find yourself a girl, mate.
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« Reply #424 on: 01-12-2005 23:14 »

John P, chill out.  It's a cartoon, not real life.  Shows like the Simpsons often use jokes that aren't meant to be taken seriously.

 
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Originally posted by Otis P Jivefunk:
I loved the KFC advert on the Season 4 DVD's, I'd never seen it before, but thought it was awesome   cool...

There are a few commercials on the season 3 and 4 DVDs that I don't think I ever saw before.  I was surprised by how creative and funny some of them were.  I was not surprised by how mercenary The Simpsons was about licensing itself.  The KFC spot was funny (when Homer gets stuck in the window), but it seems like any company can get Homer to shill.
JDB

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« Reply #425 on: 01-13-2005 02:34 »

Are there any Easter eggs on the Simpsons Season 2 and 3 DVD's?
Ranadok

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« Reply #426 on: 01-13-2005 15:44 »
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I can't remember if there are any on two, but there are some on three. The bad part is, due to the horrible menu of the third season, you have to access them by typing in numbers manually on the remote control, and I can't remember the numbers. This has the procedure, and easter eggs for a bunch of other stuff as well.

Edit: I should mention, the easter eggs for 3 are some great audio outtakes, by cast and guest stars.  eeggs.com also has info for eggs on Season 2, but they are mainly sketches and the like.
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« Reply #427 on: 01-13-2005 18:15 »

 
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
 Marge imitated Austin Powers? That is SO OOC.
Its not that bad a lot of mothers make out of date pop culture refrences

 
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A)In the first season, Flanders was just a guy who had things better than Homer. He soon became a God-fearing goody-2-two-shoes. Now he's an anti-Semetic, homophobic, anti-Hindu, anti-Buddisim, anti-every-culture-except-Christian Bible thumper.

B)In the commentray for (I think) "Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th commendanment", they said they tried to make a realisitic, sympathetic, caring person. Now he's one of those conversative Christians who burns books and think Harry Potter is evil.

Well now your just resorting to exaggerated hyperbolic knee-jerk reactioniary comments without really backing it up with any facts.
 
 
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C) In "All's Fair in Oven War", Apu says that in India his dream was to move to America and get married and have kids. Now that he's achived that dream his new dream is to abandon his family and go back to India. He actually moves back to India in this episode. Thos offends me especially since I recently realized what I want most in life a wife who loves me, is there for me if I feel scared of depressed, etc. Why Apu would want to his beautiful wife is beyond me.
When your wife is manjula and you have octuplets its kind of understandable.

 
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D) At the end of Simpsons comics #100, OFF is falling off a cliff. I was told (I don't exactly remember how) that SC#101 would continue from that. It didn't, and I'll never know what happened to them after #100. Even Bongo Comics has betrayed me.

Well whatever, comics aren't very good, don't read them.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #428 on: 01-14-2005 00:21 »
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Originally posted by John Pannozzi:
 

Anyway, I didn't get Season 5 for X-Mas and think that has fueled my hatred for the show.

Yes, I too often hate things because I don't recieve them as gifts.

 
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A)In the first season, Flanders was just a guy who had things better than Homer. He soon became a God-fearing goody-2-two-shoes. Now he's an anti-Semetic, homophobic, anti-Hindu, anti-Buddisim, anti-every-culture-except-Christian Bible thumper.

B)In the commentray for (I think) "Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th commendanment", they said they tried to make a realisitic, sympathetic, caring person. Now he's one of those conversative Christians who burns books and think Harry Potter is evil.

Characters change.  Big fucking deal.  Ned's only in like two or three episodes of season one, so its hardly unacceptable that by his third or fourth appearance he would just start to become who they developed him into.

 
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C) In "All's Fair in Oven War", Apu says that in India his dream was to move to America and get married and have kids. Now that he's achived that dream his new dream is to abandon his family and go back to India. He actually moves back to India in this episode. Thos offends me especially since I recently realized what I want most in life a wife who loves me, is there for me if I feel scared of depressed, etc. Why Apu would want to his beautiful wife is beyond me.

I value non-violence, and the chronic violence in nearly every episode of Futurama doesn't bug me in the slightest.  Grow up. 

Its also very conspicious that you hate a show based largely on two minor characters.


 
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D) At the end of Simpsons comics #100, OFF is falling off a cliff. I was told (I don't exactly remember how) that SC#101 would continue from that. It didn't, and I'll never know what happened to them after #100. Even Bongo Comics has betrayed me.

You're only now starting to be bothered by the comics?

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« Reply #429 on: 01-14-2005 08:07 »
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Its probably not worth arguing with these guy, he does this every so often just makes a list of hyperbolic criticisms but without intent to discuss them, he probably won't even reply and if he does he'll just try to reinforce his opinion without addressing the arguments against him.

If your going to be this serious and childish over t.v shows then you'll probably never get the wife you desire so much.
leelaholic

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« Reply #430 on: 01-14-2005 19:45 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
Big fucking deal.
Say, that reminds me. Did anyone notice that Marge's "BFD" line from "All's Fair in Oven War" was censored on its first airing (they muffled the F), but NOT in the rerun? Fascinating, isn't it?

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« Reply #431 on: 01-14-2005 20:40 »

DTB, I can't believe you don't mind good people bcoming racist, supreme-hating, homophobic demons.
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« Reply #432 on: 01-14-2005 20:57 »
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See, John, the thing is he isn't a real person. He's fictional. They didn't change a good person into a racist, they changed a character to better suit the needs of the show. It's a humor based show, and a religous zelot is funnier than a generally nice guy. They're not encouraging this type of behaviour, they're making fun of it. That's the key here, and the point you seem to be missing, John.
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« Reply #433 on: 01-14-2005 21:27 »
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Originally posted by newhook_1:
See, John, the thing is he isn't a real person. He's fictional. They didn't change a good person into a racist, they changed a character to better suit the needs of the show. It's a humor based show, and a religous zelot is funnier than a generally nice guy. They're not encouraging this type of behaviour, they're making fun of it. That's the key here, and the point you seem to be missing, John.


In the old days of the show, characters were more important than humor. In the old days, Marge was a distraught but loving housewife and mother. Now, she tries too hard to be funny. I'd rather watch a show with real characters and situations than abstract craziness. The show has become too political, it's trying to be like South Park, wild anything-can-happen (like the ep where they all turned into super powerful and dangerous Anime-like ninjas), ultra-offensive, adult characters are horrible, racist, homophobic people, but the Simpsons didn't start off like that, they were timeless, realistic, lovable characters. Unlike the current Simpsons, South Park can make political jokes and shots at racism and still keep their characters true and consistant.

 
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Of course, Milhouse has homo sexual tendencies, based on certain episodes and from that episode on how Lisa got her saxaphone.

Fryfan, Milhouse is NOT a homo.

From http://www.snpp.com/guides/lisa-3.html#3.2.4

 
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Is Milhouse/Bart/Homer/Martin gay?

No, no, no, and probably not. Milhouse clearly has feelings for Samantha Stanky and Lisa. Bart clearly has feelings for Jessica Lovejoy. Homer is married and has been tempted on more than one occasion by other women, such as Maude Flanders, Lurleen Lumpkin, and Mindy Simmons.

Martin, though on the effeminite side, probably has it in for an equally nerdy female.

Unless one of these characters, or any other character for that matter, is actually "outed" on the show, posts indicating that any character is gay should not be taken seriously. Likewise, any such gags on the show (Bart wearing high heels, for example) should only be taken as a joke.

Ranadok

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« Reply #434 on: 01-14-2005 21:32 »

 
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Originally posted by leelaholic:
Say, that reminds me. Did anyone notice that Marge's "BFD" line from "All's Fair in Oven War" was censored on its first airing (they muffled the F), but NOT in the rerun? Fascinating, isn't it?
It aired uncensored in Canada the first time through (I didn't watch it the second, but I would assume it was the same).

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« Reply #435 on: 01-14-2005 21:58 »

So John Pannozzi, what you're saying is that people can turn homophobic from watching The Simpsons because none of the children in the show are gay?
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« Reply #436 on: 01-14-2005 22:44 »
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I didn't say it was a change for the better, John. I just said that he wasn't real and therefore the didn't change a good person, just a character for what the writer's felt was best for the show.

He was always almost as bad as he is now anyway. Remember when he tried to baptize Bart ant Lisa, or when Homer stopped going to church and they tried to force him back by singing to him? That's forcing your religon on someone else and is pure biggotry. They where also classic moments.
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« Reply #437 on: 01-14-2005 22:46 »

Exactly. Besides, anyone who turns racist from watching a satirical cartoon shouldn't own a TV. Enough said.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #438 on: 01-15-2005 00:24 »
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One of the strengths of The Simpsons has always been its ability to have its characters do, say, and think terrible things, and still make them likeable and real.  Ned is no different.  He's a basically good guy, who can also be over-reactive, homophobic, etc.  He's satirized while also made lovable.  This is true of nearly all the characters in the show.

The show is also no more political now then in the days where it was pissing off the nuclear and logging industries and slightly-more-competent Bush was on their case.  Lisa went to Washington in season three, and it did not ruin her character.
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« Reply #439 on: 01-15-2005 08:35 »

and John your comments go completley over the top Flanders is still basically the same but they've made fun of fundamentalist views a few times with flanders. and censoring Harry Potter isn't much different from getting hundreds of cable channels locked out. same with the things newhook said.
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