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Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #200 on: 11-07-2004 18:31 »

 
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 Although I can see someone disliking that episode, I don't really see how it could be worse then "Simpsons Safari" and plenty of others.

Utter boredom, that's why. At least with 'Simpsons Safari', the stupidity was so wacky, it became funny. Not in a good way, but in a more entertaining way than the utter boredom of the Brazil ep, IMO...

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« Reply #201 on: 11-07-2004 20:48 »
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Well, okay. Time to get on with the sixteenth season.

Treehouse of Horror XV

"The Ned Zone" Awesome. The best of the three. It was funny, rapidly paced and well executed. A+

"Three Beheadings and a Funeral" Another good one. I was kind of surprised that Mr. Burns wasn't the murderer, though (which was what I predicted). A-

"In the Belly of the Boss" I found it to be fun and interesting. Bizzare ending, though. B

Overall: Best THOH in years. Started out with an amazing first segment, then stayed steadily interesting until the end.

Grade: A- Great way to start to the season!
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« Reply #202 on: 11-07-2004 21:11 »

I don't know, I loved the opening and the other two segments were pretty good, but I didn'te really like the Ned Zone all that much. Even though it was a Halloween special, Homer topssing the gun to Ned and smacking it around in his hands just smacked of season 11. I thought it was pretty good besides that though. 3.5/5
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« Reply #203 on: 11-07-2004 21:34 »

overall I liked it, but IMO it had too much of a sci-fi vibe & not enough Halloween...

     
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« Reply #204 on: 11-07-2004 21:39 »

C'mon, guys, tell me what I want to hear... tongue
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« Reply #205 on: 11-07-2004 21:42 »

I dunno, I was down on this year's Halloween episode somewhat.  I was pretty excited for it, but just sorta let down.

Treehouse of Horror XV:
Prologue:  I think Kang and Kodos are almost overused in these THoHs.  IMO, they should be used like Scruffy is on Futurama, sparingly enough to make the audience want more.  I used to be huge on K&K in the first few THOHs, but I guess they ran out of jokes for them. C

The Ned Zone: I'm not sure if this is a critique of the episode itself, but it seemed as though the credits ran like 5 minutes into the first act.  That was annoying.  I liked the concept of Flanders destined to kill Homer, but the script was written in such a way that the spotlight was on Homer, not Flanders.  Even in the end, it seems as though Flanders was forgotten and all the attention went back to Homer.  I'd really like a Flanders-centric episode. C+

Four Beheadings and a Funeral:  The best segment of the night, IMO.  I was surprised it was the second shown, because of all the hype of the "Muttonchop Murderer," I was positive it would be Act 3.  I loved the written jokes: "Scotland Yard: 'What's all this, then?'"  And I'm glad Burns wasn't the villian...again.  "I wish I still had those swords...so I can sell them for more opium!"  The eel pie part was pretty lame, though. B+

In the Belly of the Boss:  Please, no more "Fantastic Voyage" parodies from any cartoon show.  The only good one is "Parasites Lost," which is excellent, and that makes all the others look even crappier.  Although I did like Homer's questioning of Science, which I mentioned earlier in the thread. C

A disappointingly average episode, but I did expect a lot of it.  IMO, many of the segments seemed rushed.  I coulda sworn the final one was only 5 minutes or so.

Bender: "Try this, kids at home!
Warning: do not try this at home
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« Reply #206 on: 11-07-2004 22:09 »

I have to say this for In the Belly of the Boss. It was awesome to see someone not escape the subjects body before they returned to their normal size for once. I always wondered what would happen.
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« Reply #207 on: 11-07-2004 23:09 »

Watched this slightly out of sequence as I didn't get home in time for "The Ned Zone". I'll still review it in sequence though.

Opening: Compared to last year's, this was much better. If someone had told me that the THOH would start with a Kang and Kodos sitcom parody with the family as food, I probably would have groaned, but this was bizarrely funny in its own right and some of the best usage of Kang and Kodos in a while. Well done.

The Ned Zone: Definetely the best segment of all of them. It didn't miss a beat or have any lame moments at all really. In fact there's some new classic material here, especcially the bit with Homer teeter-tottering back and forth by the core button. Great halloweenish story, and hilarious throughout.

Four Beheadings and a Funeral: This is a tough one to judge on its own merits. For one thing, I've just never been the hugest fan of THOH/Three stories episodes segments where the family are "playing" other roles in other times as opposed to being roughly their normal selves in Springfield. The other part is that I'm just not particularly familiar with what was parodied here. But with that aside, this was still enjoyable if the weakest segment for me. Some gags didn't really work (the word animal coming out of Wiggum's mouth for instance), but for the most part it delivered with lots of clever moments. Best laugh had to have been the "child kidnapper" in the Peter Pan-esque outfit.

In the Belly of the Boss: While I've seen funnier parodies of "Fantastic Voyage" (mainly the one on "Futurama), this was a solid segment that hit on many of the conventions and sillier aspects of the movie. Even the matter of Marge's "swimsuit" was handled well as part of the parody, with the great line "Still, they do seem to know where to stop." Essentially, lots of great moments and lines (especcially coming from Burns). The ending, while perhaps a bit derivative of "Treehouse of Horror II", was also bizzarrely hilarious with lots of great callbacks to earlier moments in the episode. Not the greatest segment ever, but definetely solid.

As one of the two upcoming episodes that I wasn't too sure about (the other being the Super Bowl show), this was a pleasant suprise. While we may never get a truly classic, uproarious Treehouse of Horror again, this was perhaps the first time since "Treehouse of Horror XI" that I can say I consistantly enjoyed one. And unlike last year, we got a truly classic segment in "The Ned Zone". I do also want to note how beautiful the animation direction was, inciting a "woah" from me a couple times. These episodes in particular benefit a lot from good direction and this more then delivered. While not an instant classic, this is definetely worthy of the yearly marathons.

B
Ranadok

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« Reply #208 on: 11-08-2004 00:08 »

Intro: Kind of funny, but almost the entire thing has been repeated in promos nonstop for the past two weeks

Ned Zone: Very cool, but it felt kind of rushed, and I would have preferred they gone without the heaven bit. 

Beheadings: Alright, but kind of bland with a lot of failed jokes (though the Kang and Kodos appearance in this segment may rank as one of my favourites... ever). Also, the sound cut out when I was watching it, so I don't know what happened in the ending (though, from the visuals, I expect it to make just as little sense once I know what was said). What does Wiggum say after Ralph says he had a crazy dream? One single line... and it better be good.

Belly: Some great Frink-ness, a few good lines from Burns, and altogether a not bad segment. It's no Parasites lost, but I liked it. I would have liked it better without the Homer inside Burns bit, but you can't get everything. I did like characters from all the different segements dancing, so that's something.

Overall: A good showing - B+

Frink out!
M0le

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« Reply #209 on: 11-08-2004 01:28 »

Damnit, people!
Someone ruin the plots for me!
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« Reply #210 on: 11-08-2004 02:09 »

I thought it was okay, not great.  Don't really have any more to say than that.
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« Reply #211 on: 11-08-2004 02:28 »

Saw 'Days of...'

It wasn't bad. But we see the rising of jerk ass Homer once more. It had a few good lines though.
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« Reply #212 on: 11-08-2004 06:52 »

Copy/Paste from NHC...

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All things considered, this is probably my favorite Jean-era THOH. The humor was pretty on-par, and the stories, while rushed as always, were interesting. Sure, it wasn't scary (only one or two THOHs really deserve to be called "scary" ), but I think that, as the years go on, THOH is just used as the supository for all the wacky, "too-outlandish-even-for-The Simpsons" stories (or those that won't occupy a full 22 minutes). And, if that's the case, then this was a good showing.

Intro: I actually really enjoyed this. Sure, it was stupid, but that was the point (a parody of crappy sitcoms). Nice to see a new angle on the "include Kang and Kodos into every THOH" rule, and the "gags" were funny enough (the ending was just plain stupid...which makes it a sort of parody of bad sitcom endings...which makes it funny).

The Ned Zone: Probably the best, most-Halloweeny of the three segments. Nice to see some Ned (one of my favorite characters), and nice to see that he was rather funny. This was actually a pretty good parody of "The Dead Zone", and, like Jake said, the zoom-in on Ned's eye made it all the creepier. Also, I think that this is one of the few recent segments in a THOH that didn't seem all that rushed. Good stuff. A

Four Beheadings and a Funeral: Ughhh...don't get me started on the title. But, aside from that, this was a very nice segment. The cockney accents, while purposely bad (I commend Yeardley Smith, though...her's was actually pretty good) were a nice touch (I just liked the idea that the accents made it all more realistic). The plot itself was nice, and the animation was teriffic--particularly the lighting in certain scenes. The whole opium thing I could have done without (although I loved "Happiness is a warm poppy" ), particularly the whole Ralph thing, but it still wasn't entirely too distasteful. My only other real complaint is the ending--they could have done better. Still, another good one. B+

In the Belly of the Boss: Not great plot-wise (a tired "Fantastic Voyage" parody is nothing to gawk at), but this one was downright hilarious (the only gag that flopped for me was possibly Marge's "Why is my suit so revealing?", and Homer's subsequent "That's what makes a mediocre voyage a fantastic voyage!" ). I also wish that we could have seen a bit more inside Burns (the problem was solved rather quickly), but still, not a total letdown on that front. Also, Homer and Burns attached--have I seen that somewhere else before? Okay, so it wasn't an out-and-out THOH II look-alike, but it felt like it. Other than that, nothing more to say (the ending was pretty good, and, is it just me, or did we see the unabridged credits? (dig the song)). A-

Overall: A- or a 4/5 (on my grading scale, 5/5 constitutes a "perfect" or A/A+ episode)
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« Reply #213 on: 11-08-2004 07:16 »

We Brits get to see TOH in late December or early January. I'm looking forward to this one.
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« Reply #214 on: 11-08-2004 07:59 »

No we get to see it in 2 weeks, and we get the season premier "All's fair in oven war" a week later.
Sky always starts off only a couple of weeks behind america and then just completley drops behind.
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« Reply #215 on: 11-08-2004 08:08 »

Great, I'll be looking forward to it.

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« Reply #216 on: 11-08-2004 09:20 »

I liked THOHXV quite a bit. The first segment felt too short, and the second segment ended weirdly, but it was still a good episode.
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« Reply #217 on: 11-08-2004 12:11 »

the ned zone was my favorite.  I like it whenever ned flies of the handle.  big grin  The british acesents were very lame in TBAAF but maybe that's the point.  Good otherwise, especialy Dr. bartly.  I've never seen the fantastic voage, so the last one wasn't as funny for me.  But anything with frink in it is great in my book.

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Ranadok

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« Reply #218 on: 11-08-2004 13:51 »

I just watched the beginning and end again (to catch the halloween names), and I noticed that Bill Odenkirk's writing credit (there was a Kill Deadenkirk Supervising producer that I assume was him as well) and Harry Shearer were normal-named... eeenteresting.
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« Reply #219 on: 11-08-2004 20:37 »

I'm back for Season 16 to twart leelaholic's happy-go-lucky ratings once again!

Treehouse of Horror XV
Intro:
While not the best intro, I love to see Kang and Kodos, and it was certainly better than last year's.

The Ned Zone: Probably the best THOH segment since "House of Whacks." Nice to see Flanders at all, let alone a large role like this. But the writers took a liking to shifting it to Homer often, but that still was OK. I loved the ending with the garage making it to Heaven, and God giving Homer his frisbee back.
Rating: 4/5

Four Headheadings and a Funeral:
A nice segment, but British accents get a little tired after a while, especially from non-British actors. I liked Wiggum throughout the segment, the Opium bar, Scotland Yard's motto, and Burns NOT being the villain, thank God. This segment also moved pretty quickly, which was a setback. And Kang and Kodos again! With muttonchops! And an homage to "Around the World In 80 Days"! Too bad it had to be ruined by the weird dream ending. What the hell?
Rating: 3/5

In The Belly Of The Boss: The worst of the three. While it had some funny jokes ("hydroglavin-flavin!" "Well, that hurt like hell." "They do sure know when to stop." ), it was a pretty lame episode, where nothing really exciting or enthralling happened. And, of course, it paled in comparison to "Parasites Lost" both in content and look. But besides that, it wasn't very Halloweeny either. And this segment just went waaaaay too fast. There were a lot of oppertunities missed that could have been great, and could have replaced stupid stuff, like Bart whizzing in Burns' body.
Rating: 2/5

The ending was alright. It kinda reminded me of Burns' head on Homer's body in "THOH II" and this is like the extreme opposite. I loved the campy theme over the credits too, and Halloween names, good as always.

All and all, this was a pretty good Halloween episode, yet it seemed very rushed. I know they have to cram so much material into so little time, but they almost always do a good job of making it flow well. Regardless, if this level of quality continues, Season 16 might just be better than Season 15. You never know.

FINAL GRADE: 3.5/5
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« Reply #220 on: 11-08-2004 20:40 »

I thought Kang and Kodos were overused in the episode.  I know they must appear in every THOH, but why twice?  I thought their little walk-on in "Four Beheadings..." was much funnier than the prologue.  Aliens with muttonchops are great.
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« Reply #221 on: 11-09-2004 01:14 »

I found the episode pretty meh... I mean I watched it and it was enjoyable enough to sustain my attention, but definitely not comparable to days of old.  All the opium got pretty weird, especially when I realized it was on the tv too... 

And what was up with the Belly of the Boss one?  Marge was swimming around someone's body in next to nothing... eh...

None of the lines really stick in my head, I thought I had one for a second and was going to type it, but then I guess I forgot what it was; that in itself pretty much sums up this episode.
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« Reply #222 on: 11-09-2004 02:47 »

The Marge stuff was, for the record, basically spoofing the usual sci-fi convention (I'm pretty sure that actual movie followed it) of putting in a busty heroine who is conveniently stripped down in all the areas that don't cover her privates ("I must admit they know where to stop" ).  Leela in a nutshell, basically.  Whether it works for you is subjective of course (I personally thought the line I just quoted was great, but on the other hand didn't care for Homer's "Fantastic voyage!" line), just stating.
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« Reply #223 on: 11-09-2004 07:07 »
« Last Edit on: 11-09-2004 07:07 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Great, I'll be looking forward to it.


Sorry it seems that Sky have changed everything at the last minute, apparently
"All's Fair In Oven War" will air first (on the 21st) and "Sleeping With The Enemy" will follow the next week and THOH is now unscheduled.

For what reason I have no idea.
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« Reply #224 on: 11-09-2004 12:36 »

*Somewhere in an Underground base, Australia*

Tech: My leige, we are getting a huge amount of possible happiness and expectation from peon No: 19171942666!
Emperor Murdoch: Lock on his mind and make sure we crush this so called emotion. 
DotheBartman

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« Reply #225 on: 11-09-2004 23:48 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2004 00:00 »

Another NHC member saw Mike Reiss tonight and has some interesting info to share.  I don't think he'd mind if I posted it here as well:

Reiss was at Northwestern tonight to talk to the Hillel group. While he gave his usual speech and jokes (which were great), a group of us had the opportunity to talk to him afterwords and pick his brain. Here are some of the notes (I haven't been around here much lately so I'm not sure what is news and what is common knowledge):

-Next Year’s Christmas episode will be a three part episode. If it gets through, one of the parts will be a silent Nutcracker takeoff.
-He does not like Harry Shearer. They basically fired him at the beginning of the year after hearing his negative comments that he made during an interview in Italy, but he apologized and came back.
-Got his job at the Simpsons after submitting a script he wrote for Golden Girls.
-Hated Simpson Safari, as well as the episode when Homer was “sodomized by a bear.”
-Thinks all of the college courses and academic books on the Simpsons are crap. Once read through the papers on SNPP.com and thought they were all wrong.
-Said the worst moment in The Simpsons history was the fight over A Star is Burns.
-His original contract stated that he would get 1% of the profits from the Simpsons. Thanks to Fox, he hasn’t seen any of that money.
-They are not going to do any more clip shows.
-Just about all of the Jewish material is written by non-Jewish writers.
-Maggie Roswell was indeed fired after her contract demands (instead of her just leaving).
-They were fully prepared to end the show if the voice actors didn’t reach an agreement with Fox.
-The Bar Mitzvah episode was originally going to be the death of Krusty’s father (I believe that’s old news)
-There was kind of a fued with Futurama (at least he thought it was kind of a ripoff)

(note, I asked him about the Futurama comment and he added this):

I'm sorry about that. Yeah, I did mean Family Guy. That's what I get for reading through three message boards at once while trying to make this post. He did say that putting Peter Griffin in that one scene with all of the Homers was his idea, though. They basically do anything to get a laugh (jabs at conservatives often come from the conservative writers, jabs at liberals often come from the liberal writers).

Here's the url.  He keeps adding stuff as he remembers it: http://www.nohomers.net/showthread.php?p=945253#post945253post945253

M0le

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« Reply #226 on: 11-10-2004 00:17 »

 
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-Said the worst moment in The Simpsons history was the fight over A Star is Burns.
What fight was this? I'm not very well versed in the history of the show.
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« Reply #227 on: 11-10-2004 00:47 »
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
-Next Year’s Christmas episode will be a three part episode. If it gets through, one of the parts will be a silent Nutcracker takeoff.
Hmmm... might this be as close to Simp-tasia as we will get? Or perhaps a test for a future episode? Well, that was my first thought. It sounds good.

edit: I have nothing really to say about the rest of those points, though there is a lot of interesting information there (One thought arises: if they pretty much fired Shearer, and if they were ready to end the show if the voice actor contract issues weren't settled, does that mean they were prepared to end the show if Shearer had not apologized, or did they not consider him essential... just puttin' two and two together.)

Edited a few more times because I'm indecisive and never satisfied with my writage.
DotheBartman

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« Reply #228 on: 11-10-2004 00:52 »

Oh boy.  I've been through this a bunch of times.  No offense though.  big grin

I'll go through it again though.  In essence, when "The Critic" moved to Fox, Brooks wanted to do that crossover as a way of promoting The Critic, while Groening on the other hand was very upset about the idea and was even vocally angry in the press (I think he might've used the phrase "he screwed me" to describe Brooks at the time).  He felt that it a cheap, underhanded way of making just a half-hour advertisement for The Critic, and thus an insult to the fans.  And he also wasn't happy that it made it look like he had anything to do with The Critic (a misconception that still lives to this day.  A few months ago or so I had to tell a friend of mine that Groening had no connection with The Critic).  So along with his statements in the press, he pulled his name entirely from the episode. 

You can still find an article about it on SNPP, from the time.  It should be called something like "Groening Has a Cow Over Critic".

That NHC member also notes later in the thread that, according to Reiss, none of the new staff (at the time, I assume) didn't wanted to do the crossover, but Brooks basically said that it wasn't a democracy and they were doing it anyway.
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« Reply #229 on: 11-10-2004 03:38 »

NOTE TO AUSSIES: Despite the listings in guides, Fraudcast News will NOT be airing tonight. However, I saw a promo several times on Channel 10 last night saying that an all-new Simpsons episode will be airing 7:30pm Monday, so we can catch it then.  smile
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« Reply #230 on: 11-10-2004 05:28 »

What's SNPP?
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« Reply #231 on: 11-10-2004 06:18 »

The Simpsons Archive

SNPP stands for Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.
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« Reply #232 on: 11-10-2004 07:44 »

Thanks Merc.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #233 on: 11-10-2004 13:40 »

 
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Originally posted by DotheBartman:
 -Next Year’s Christmas episode will be a three part episode. If it gets through, one of the parts will be a silent Nutcracker takeoff.

I bet the voice actors still get paid the same amount, dispite the silent part...

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« Reply #234 on: 11-10-2004 17:35 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2004 17:35 »

One Simpsons Night, they had a little special one called "The World According to The Simpsons", I'm sure you know. I've you watched that you would have got a short sneek peek at a scene in Four Headheadings and a Funeral Sorry if that's already been mentioned elsewhere.

 
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It was a poor start to the 16th season of The Simpsons ratings wise. In the 8:00pm slot in which the much publicised Treehouse Of Horror XV aired, Fox came third overall and second among the 18 - 49 age bracket. The episode scored 11.29 million viewers, a number which is generally expected during a mid-season slump in viewers. In comparison, last year's season premiere Treehouse Of Horror XIV attracted 16 million viewers and 2002's Treehouse special had 17 million. In a rare occurance, ABC won the night over CBS with Desperate Housewives and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition attracting some of its highest figures ever. Viewers also rejected Fox's "My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss"; altogether the network came fourth behind NBC for the night. The big test will be the "official premiere" next week, as last year's "My Mother The Carjacker" dropped 4 million viewers from THOH XIV the previous week. We'll bring you these ratings next Monday.

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« Reply #235 on: 11-10-2004 20:39 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2004 20:39 »

New promo cards:

"All's Fair in Oven War"


"Sleeping With the Enemy"
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« Reply #236 on: 11-10-2004 21:10 »

leels, I haven't read the previews for "All's Fair in Oven War," but who's that standing behind Bart and Milhouse?  If it's a celebrity guest-star, the drawing isn't very recognizable.

And Ms. Krabappel in a swimsuit?  Ugh.
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« Reply #237 on: 11-10-2004 21:14 »
« Last Edit on: 11-10-2004 21:14 »

I'm pretty sure its James Caan (yes, a guest star).

Thomas Pychon also makes a second appearance in it, once again complete with a bag over his head.
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« Reply #238 on: 11-11-2004 00:43 »

From my TV software:
All's Fair in Oven War
   James Caan comes to party after Bart turns his tree house into a bachelor pad; Marge counters cheaters when she enters a bake-off.

Sounds interesting, though it sounds like it could be weak. However, the fact that it is the official premiere is a good sign on that front, no?
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« Reply #239 on: 11-11-2004 01:51 »

It might be.  Premieres tend to be only sporadically great though.  Even in the old days seasons would sometimes start with relatively weaker offerings (think "Bart of Darkness" ).

I think it'll be good though.  For the record, although the Bart part is being really hyped up (and it does look funny), the Marge plot (involving her cheating to win the bake-off) should really be the main storyline in the episode.
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