WWE- Where it all begins again

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
late Moondog Spot came up to me and whispered, "Watch you ass, there's a fag in the locker room." To which I answered, "Who?" and he said "Kiss me and you'll find out."

So did he tell you who the fag was after you kissed him? who was it then?


Speaking of gays I'm surprised that more of them don't watch wrestling, they're missing out

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loL THAT IS SOME FUNNY SHIT HELLO THERE WANKER

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ROFLMFAO, that is a hilarious pic.

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I'm happy to learn that Hardcore Holly has recovered from his potentially fatal staph infection.  read his interview
 http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/hardcorehollyreturn

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I know it's in the arm but what does a staph infection do? And how did he get it?

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It's official, Jeff Hardy is back in the WWE.
 http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/jeffreturn

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Just finished watching SummerSlam:

The Foley/Flair match ruled.  Holy fucking shit, those two old goats can put on a show.  And bleed.  Damned, I haven't seen this much blood in a long time.

Watching Flair actually trying to shove the barbed wire baseball bat up Foley's ass was the laugh of the night.

I was surprised at the ending:

Show spoiler

Mick quit.  He actually said "I quit!"

This match is not the end.  Foley/Flair has been the surprise hit of the summer and McMahon wants it to continue until Survivor Series.  Both Flair and Foley truely dislike each other, but it appears that they will main event the next RAW PPV and they can work with each other for main event status and a main event payday.

Shawn Michaels seperated his shoulder legit.  He was planning to take time off soon to have knee surgery, but he may have to have shoulder surgery this week.

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Hardcore Holly on ECW? Things just got more interesting.

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Matt Striker in ECW will make for great TV.  I await his lectures on "the pot".

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Mick Foley's ego is as big as Hogan's.

He and Flair were slated to be the main event for the next RAW PPV with the blow-off to be at Survivor Series.  Since Foley is a part-timer and Flair is a full time wrestler and has tremendous respect backstage, the next match was to be a double DQ with Flair winning at SS.  Foley didn't like that - he wanted to get his win back over Flair (a la Hogan).  He even went to Vince to plead his case (which is a big no-no; only HHH & HBK can go straight to Vince).  Vince wasn't happy that Foley was going to play the "I won't do it" card.  Flair has not complained once about being used as a Jobber To The Stars and this program with Foley was a reward to him for being a team player.  So Foley has screwed himself out of a main event payday and another PPV payday and having to join the KMA club.  Flair is to be rewarded with running another program soon - he's being given a week off to recuperate from his injuries.

For all his flaws, Flair is very highly thought of by almost everybody, including Vince and especially HHH.

Also, HHH was very upset that Hogan got a bigger pop than he did.  He (HHH) was chewed out by Vince after the match for trying to no-sell most of the match.

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I've yet to hear anything about Foley's ego getting in the way of business with the Fiair feud.  Getting a win back isn't something just Hogan did - it's traditional wrestling booking.  Foley also hasn't gotten many wins back at all (he jobbed twice in a row to Orton for example) and this feud would certainly deserve at least one Foley win after two losses.

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Ah, but you forget - the thing between Flair and Foley is personal.  That's what made the fued so interesting.  You could feel the comtempt each had for each other in their promos.  Not everything going on behind the scenes is printed on the dirtsheets or places on rec.sport.pro-wrestling.

True, Foley has probably done more to put other talent over than anybody else (HHH became a star because Foley gave him the rub, he let Randy Orton build his career by beating him, etc).

As for how the business runs and how 'traditional booking' goes (which doesn't work anymore because Vince has re-written that book), I feel I probably have just a little more experience in that area than anybody else on PEEL  .

I respect Foley.  He's given his heart and soul to the business and has ended up being a crippled 40 year old man for it.  I know Flair personally (even though I haven't talked to him in at least ten years) and I feel that he is the one of the greastest of all time (Hogan can't even shine Flair's shoes - I don't care how many lunchboxes his face was on), but Flair is right - Foley is a glorified stuntman.  All Foley is famous for is falling off cages and wearing a sock on his hand.  Flair has given some of the best matches of all times and made mediocre wrestlers look like monsters because he's that damned good.  Both are great on the stick - Foley can probably give a better promo than Flair, but very few others can match them (Jericho and Rock immediately come to mind, but both are now no longer in wrestling).

Getting a win back is a Hogan exclusive.  When he was in WCW, the only reason he wanted Warrior back was because he wanted to get his win back from Warrior.  Hogan is the biggest mark for himself (with Shawn Michaels and HHH being close behind).

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I didn't forget that it was a personal feud, but both Foley and Flair are smart enough to put their dislike for each other aside for the sake of business, and they each did that for this feud. 

Anyways, onto bigger news.  KURT ANGLE HAS BEEN RELEASED BY WWE.

I think it's a good thing IF it leads to Angle actually retiring from the ring.  If it leads to him just leaving WWE and then doing a TNA, ROH, or stiff Japan style, then it's a very very bad thing.  I have a feel they're releasing him so that if/when he dies prematurely, it won't be on their watch, and their hands will be legally clean of responsibility.

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I think it sucks that he's being released and that he was released while an ECW superstar. 
Earlier this year he was a World champion and main eventer, and now he seemed mid-card status and I hardly saw him compete.  I hope we'll see Kurt Angle in the future.

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Angle has some deep personal issues - he's in the middle of divorcing his pregnant wife, he has a multitude of injuries (chronic neck problems, pulled groin, etc).  He was forcibly pulled from a match on ECW recently; he was forced to go to ECW and took it as an insult.

I don't know if he has saved any money, but he needs to retire - his body is in horrible condition and he's one botched move from being in the same condition as Austin or Droz.

As for ROH or TNA, I don't think either would be able to come up with the money that Angle would demand.  Also, if he did jump ship, you can be sure that Vince would retaliate as only Vince can - release a DVD set of "The Self-Destruction of Kurt Angle".

He is one of the greatest if not the greatest of WWE wrestlers of the common era.  In terms of being either a heel or face and getting fan reaction, he's in the league of Flair, Bret Hart and HBK.

Good luck to Kurt and his future endevours.

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I can see TNA coming up with the funds to get him, but I really hope that no one hires Kurt Angle.  The last thing Kurt Angle's body needs now (or ever) is pro wrestling.  Angle's non-neck health problems alone should have forced him into retirement, and I'm amazed his neck issues didn't result in complete paralysis in May when he landed right on his head during a move at Judgment Day.

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Also, if he did jump ship, you can be sure that Vince would retaliate as only Vince can - release a DVD set of "The Self-Destruction of Kurt Angle".

Speaking of which, has anyone seen the Warrior DVD?

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I have.  It's a 3 hour hack-job on Warrior (the artist formerly known as Jim Hellwig).  It only has 4 mathces, and everybody was trashing Warrior.  Benoit, Jericho, Vince, HBK, etc.  Hearing Hogan talk about how unprofessional the Warrior was for not selling in matches made me almost choke.  Pot, kettle, black.

Rent it, but don't buy it.  It's not worth it.

My collection has:  Flair, Superstar Graham (my idol when I was growing up) and Bret Hart.  I may buy the Dusty Rhoades DVD set (one of my best matches was when Buzz, Matt and I took on Tommy Rich, Dusty Rhoades and Mr. Wrestling II on a TV match back in 1980).  Rhoades was probably the only guy in the south who could put more asses in seats than Flair.

Ah, memories...

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I think the Warrior DVD is a good buy (especially if you get the two disc version, which has one more classic match on it, and two that aren't even worth showing on 24/7).  The main documentary is a fascinating study on human ego thanks to the Vince and Hogan portions.  I'll always chuckle hearing Vince say he has an obligation to present what he's advertised, and then cut to Hogan, who didn't do a UK tour he was advertised for in '03.  The comedy in that thing is endless, and it makes WWE look worse than Warrior due to how petty the arguments are against him.

Ralph Snart, definitely get the Rhodes set.  It's got a ton of great footage that I never thought would see the light of day on DVD, and some funny commentary by Mike Graham and Dusty.

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Did I tell you that I met Warrior at a Convention in London?

That guy is ORANGE!

Matt Hardy and RVD were there too.

EDIT:  I've got the Jake Roberts DVD, that's a good watch, they lay into Warrior on there too.

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Is it possible that iif Angle cames back not as a wrestler, but a commentator?  Maybe he could play by play like Taz and only wrestle part-time.  I read his interview on WWE.com, he's not thinking about trying to come back, but just re-healing, but he says,

 

"Vince says when I’m ready, if I’m ever ready, to come back just sign on the dotted line. I’ll tell you if I do return I’m going back to my roots, training on the mat like my amateur days. Longevity is the key.”

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They already tried that with him being a GM.  This was a mutual decision between Angle and WWE, which indicates to me that WWE doesn't think anything they can do (like giving him another non-wrestling role) will help him, with the thinking that he needs to be away from pro wrestling, period.

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The Masterpiece is back with a goatee.

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And much smaller arms.  Thanks to the wellness policy, he now has a chance to live past 40.

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I just saw Smackdown and I saw the promo for Jimmy Wang Yang.  A Japanese wrestler donning the cowboy gimmick.  It's like JBL meets Tajari.

Vickie Guerrero as Chavo's business manager.  It reminds me when Chavo Sr. came to the WWE and became Chavo's manager during the Chavo-Eddie feud.

Smackdown seems to be better than RAW in terms of title competition.  The World title is defended against a different superstar every payperview.  RAW is still doing Edge vs. Cena.  I hope Cena wins, only because I wouldn't want to see him go to Smackdown.  RAW seems more like the B show than Smackdown.  They hardly have title defenses anymore.  I'm surprised the Spirit Squad is still tag team champions.  Is RAW going to have a good tag team division?

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Unless a number of miracles happen, don't count on RAW having a good tag team division.  SD is airing as a one hour show this week in the DC market, and the show is even more enjoyable as a one hour show, since there's no filler, and the emphasis has been on the U.S. and world belts.

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Vince doesn't like tag team wrestling, which is sad because some of the best matches that I've seen were tag matches.  The heat that some tag matches were unreal - Midnight Express vs Rock and Roll Express, The Freebirds vs Von Erichs, Raod Warriors vs The Steiners.  The Hart Foundation vs Demolition was one of the best WWF tag fueds that I remember. 

I don't watch Smackdown since I work on Friday nights (yes, I could TiVo it, but I'm too lazy), but knowing that Booker T finally got some major WWE gold makes me happy - he deserves it.

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WWE's resigning the following superstars:

Henry O Godwin
Rodney Mack
Marty Jannetty
Brad Armstrong

Those names make it interesting.  They'll be coming back to help develop the skills of the new talent.  I wish they could resign Dustin Rhodes (Goldust).

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Unforgiven results

Show spoiler

Intercontinental Champion Johnny Nitro def. Jeff Hardy
Kane vs. Umaga (Double Countout)
World Tag Team Champions Spirit Squad def. The Highlanders
D-Generation X def. The McMahons & Big Show (Hell in a Cell Match)
Trish Stratus def. Lita to win the Women's Championship
Randy Orton def. Carlito
John Cena def. Edge to win the WWE Championship (TLC Match)

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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
I just saw Smackdown and I saw the promo for Jimmy Wang Yang.  A Japanese wrestler donning the cowboy gimmick.  It's like JBL meets Tajari.

Is this the same Jimmy Yang that was one third of the Jung Dragons in WCW? I sure hope so.

I do wish they didn't pin the strap on Cena again so soon. From the looks of what happened on RAW, they're planning on treating him like shit from this point forward. 

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I do wish they didn't pin the strap on Cena again so soon. From the looks of what happened on RAW, they're planning on treating him like shit from this point forward.

Did you hear the booing he got last night (at the PPV?)  Granted, it was in Edge's hometown, but Cena has been booed unmercifully for the past year on RAW.  Only because Vince believes Cena to be the future is the only reson that Cena's not curtain-jerking and on his way to the Indies.

When he was a heel and ad-libbing his raps, he was over - then they had to turn him face and water his raps down.  That killed him with the fans he had, and he's just not the type to pick up new fans.

How many people has Cena been fed and still can't get face heat?  Carlito, Jericho, Edge all come to mind.  These 3 names have more talent and fan support than Cena ever will - Cena must bend over and do Vince right for Vince to support this turkey as much as he does.

As for Vince McMahon - he's the type of guy to eat a pizza in front of starving people, the crap on the last piece to keep anybody else from enjoying it.  Hey, that'll probably bee next weeks Vince McMahon segment...

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And what Vince wants he gets.  Edge was more annoying as champion and I can never see him as a face after all he's done.  I think Cena is a great champion.  I mean, I remember when people complained about Austin being champion, beer drinking, finger flipping, truck driving redneck-thing was some people always complained.  I don't care for Cena's raps, but his attitdue to the ring is cool.  They should have him start a feud with Randy Orton, anyone instead of Edge.  Smackdown is pushing guys like Bobby Lashey, RAW should do the same.

Snitsky should go to ECW.  He would definitly get a push there.

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Cena is the biggest draw in WWE by a wide margin - THAT is why he's pushed hard.  Anyways, TNA is seemingly yearning for death, as they've hired Russo  once again to shake up their company. 

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Russo?  Damned.  He's supposenly become a born again Christian, so maybe we won't be subjected to more 'Beaver Cleavage' skits and angles.

Damned, just keep Jim Cornette - he's over big time and he can book decently.  Cornette unleashed on a mic is awesome and unreal.

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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
And what Vince wants he gets.  Edge was more annoying as champion and I can never see him as a face after all he's done.  I think Cena is a great champion.  I mean, I remember when people complained about Austin being champion, beer drinking, finger flipping, truck driving redneck-thing was some people always complained.  I don't care for Cena's raps, but his attitdue to the ring is cool.  They should have him start a feud with Randy Orton, anyone instead of Edge.  Smackdown is pushing guys like Bobby Lashey, RAW should do the same.

I'm sorry, I know this is more of a subjective issue, but Edge deserves the championship much more than Cena right now.

Cena isn't a slouch, I'm not going to be a stupid smark here, the man can be entertaining in the ring, but for the last year and a half, he's been rammed down our throats. I just don't see why Vince is so hellbent on getting the man over as a face.
The majority of fans just don't want to cheer the man. It took Edge turning on Montreal, Murdock & Cade jumping him from behind, and a DX team up to get the crowd to rally behind him. This would be fine if he were in the process of being turned from Heel to face or something, but the man has been pushed as a face for 2 years at this point.

Cena would probably be a great heel if they'd just let him run with it. Acting like an adult version of a typical suburban wigger. I could see that working.

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TNA's got a big announcement on the PPV really soon.  I hope it's better than Sting's boots debuting.

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I just learned from the TNA payperview that TNA is in talks in bringing Kurt Angle to TNA?  Why would Kurt Angle want to go to TNA if he left WWE because he needed time to rest and reheal.  Why is Angle turning his back on WWE?

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Because he's lost his mind, marraige, and  wants to keep wrestling on a national stage. This is both a good and bad signing for TNA.  It's easily the biggest one in their history, but it could also be the most disasterous signing in history. 

He isn't just "in talks" with TNA, Kurt Angle IS IN TNA Wrestling right now.  He was shown doing in-ring excercises during their video on him.  He isn't completely turning his back on WWE, but he is throwing their ompassionate firing of him in their face.  In a little under a month, he went from being one of the highest-paid men in WWE to (hopefully) being the highest-paid one in TNA.  I just hope that Angle can litterally live after making this decision.

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Kurt placed on his website that he may go to MMA in the future.

He's a machine - he'll die in the ring or end up crippled like The Dynamite Kid.  WWE (and by extension, Vince McMahon) could care less about the health of the wrestlers - Vince only cares about making more money and being totally in control of other people's lives.  If it weren't the bad publicity, he could care less if a wrestler died in the ring.

Kurt's not the type to sit back and smell the roses - he's a driven person and will always push his body faster and harder until it can't go anymore.

At least TNA is only once a week and Kurt won't be on the road - he can work light matches, a PPV and let his body heal the rest of the week.

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He's got a non-exclusive deal - he can still work indies, and his body needs a lot of rest.  He also wants to do TNA and MMA simultaneously, which can easily destroy him much faster than the WWE schedule he already couldn't survive. He had to be wheeled around airports due to random leg paralysis and needed to be taken from arena to arena by handlers because he couldn't remember where arenas were.