WWE- Where it all begins again

[Reply #640 on:]

If Vince has WWECW as the violent spotfest that ECW was, Kurt will be as crippled as Droz in just a few months.

The show is going to air on Sci-Fi fer Gawd's sakes.  I'm sure all the Dr. Who and Battlestar Galactica fans will look forward to wrestling on their channel.

This smells like the XFL - destine to crash and burn...

[Reply #641 on:]

They'll get over it (maybe Boogeyman can move over there, and perhaps bring Lazer-Tron back as well?).

More troubling: ECW is shooting live at the end of Smackdown tapings. ECW live, good. ECW in Smackdown arenas in front of fans who've watched two-three hours of wrestling, not so much. I guess they're waiting to see if ratings and gates warrant a third night of TV taping at the smaller arenas where ECW houses shows will take place.

Having Angle in the mix isn't a horrible idea, in that it gives ECW credibility -- almost like adding an ROH sensibility to the hardcore legacy, which makes sense given how the Philly crowd has picked up on that.

[Reply #642 on:]

 

Originally posted by Mystery_Meat:

They'll get over it (maybe Boogeyman can move over there, and perhaps bring Lazer-Tron back as well?).
 

Holy Christ, just how old are you? 

Boogie Woogie Jimmy Valiant and Lazer Tron were way back in 1985-86.

If we're going the sci-fi route, bring back the New Breed (Get Chris Champion out of the Indies and Sean Royal out of construction).

BTW, Boogie is still alive, but I don't know how well.  I tagged up with him a few times in the Mid-Atlantic.  He was the most over bastard I've ever met - he was more over than Flair in some venues.

[Reply #643 on:]

BUMP



From WWE.com

John “Earthquake” Tenta has passed away at the age of 42 after a lengthy battle with bladder cancer. Tenta is survived by his wife and three kids.

Tenta performed for both World Wrestling Entertainment and World Championship Wrestling throughout the 90s. He made multiple appearances on wrestling’s grandest stage, participating in matches at WrestleManias VI, VII, VIII, X and X-Seven.

In 1992, Earthquake and his partner Typhoon, collectively known as "The Natural Disasters”, defeated Money Inc. to capture the World Tag Team Championship. Prior to his career in professional wrestling, Tenta made a name for himself in Japan as a highly accomplished Sumo wrestler.

Full Obituary:

 http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2006/06/07/1619216.html

[Reply #644 on:]

WTF, Big Show is joining ECW?  This so much like the fucking Invasion crap of 2001.  Remember when Test, Austin and Kurt Angle all joined the alliance?  That was the most pathetic thing they did back then, but Big Show joining ECW tops that.  I hate this ECW invasion storyline crap.  It's not even the true ECW, since Raven, The Dudleys, Rhyno are still with TNA.

I can just imagine a year from now, WWE buys TNA and decides to turn it into WCW and makes another invasion.

They should just turn ECW into a hardcore divison on RAW and Smackdown and reinstate the hardcore title and make so it is both a RAW and Smackdown belt.  That would be better than what the WWE is doing now.

[Reply #645 on:]

Pic of Flair's recent wedding...

[Reply #646 on:]

Well here are the results of Extreme Crappy Wrestling's One Night Stand

Show spoiler

Tazz def. Jerry "The King" Lawler Results
Kurt Angle def. Randy Orton
The F.B.I. def. Super Crazy & Tajiri
JBL announces his return to SmackDown
World Champion Rey Mysterio vs. Sabu (No Contest)
Edge, Mick Foley & Lita def. Terry Funk, Tommy Dreamer & Beaulah
Balls Mahoney def. Masato Tanaka
Rob Van Dam def. WWE Champion John Cena (new champion

WWE has just jumped the shark again with RVD turning the WWE title into the ECW belt.  It's just like when Hogan turned the WCW belt into the NWO belt only lamer.

The only good news I've heard this week is that Somoa Joe vs. Scott Steiner will happen at the next TNA payperview.

[Reply #647 on:]

Woooo! DX!

[Reply #648 on:]

I'm more interested in the Ric Flair/Mick Foley Two out of Three Help-I've-Fallen-and-I-can't-get-up match.

Foley is 15 years younger than Flair and looks worse than Flair.

Holy Zombie Jesus Ric - give it up and run for govenor of North Carolina...

[Reply #649 on:]

DX is back- [big yawn].  It will never have the same impact as it did years ago.  It'll just be like when nWo came to the WWE.  I always considered DX to be a rip-off of the nWo, only more sophmoronic.  The fact the WWE is bringing back old things like ECW and DX means that they're probably running out of good ideas.

Flair vs. Foley.  There's nothing more entertaining then seeing two middle age guys who like to bust open their heads finally face each other.  I agree with Flair on his view that Foley was nothing more than a stuntman, which is not a bad thing because Foley was very entertaining.

[Reply #650 on:]

WWE fired Goldust.  That sucks. You'd think they would've given him a push since he is the son of the American Dream Dusty Rhodes and his new DVD has just been released.

[Reply #651 on:]

     

Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
Well here are the results of Extreme Crappy Wrestling's One Night Stand

Show spoiler

Tazz def. Jerry "The King" Lawler Results
Kurt Angle def. Randy Orton
The F.B.I. def. Super Crazy & Tajiri
JBL announces his return to SmackDown
World Champion Rey Mysterio vs. Sabu (No Contest)
Edge, Mick Foley & Lita def. Terry Funk, Tommy Dreamer & Beaulah
Balls Mahoney def. Masato Tanaka
Rob Van Dam def. WWE Champion John Cena (new champion

WWE has just jumped the shark again with RVD turning the WWE title into the ECW belt.  It's just like when Hogan turned the WCW belt into the NWO belt only lamer.

The only good news I've heard this week is that Somoa Joe vs. Scott Steiner will happen at the next TNA payperview.

TNA is pushing a PPV match with Stiener, and you're saying WWE jumped the shark? Let me tell you something, I was at one night stand, and if the RVD had not won the title, the crowd would have lynched Cena. No exaggeration, I was actually concerned for my safety. The vast majority of the wrestling audience wanted to see RVD go over Cena, and WWE gave the fans what they wanted. How is that jumping the shark? Because you happen to like Cena?

The premire of ECW TV was crap, though. You are right about it seeming like the 2001 invasion with the WWE pushing their homegrown stars like Angle and Show over the ECW guys. Angle and Credible had a match and Credible didn't get one offensive move it. Not one move. I have no problem with them putting Angle over, but god damn, there's no need to make Credible look like a complete joke.

   

Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Pic of Flair's recent wedding...

*picture*

Why isn't David Flair wearing his Nitro Grill shirt?

[Reply #652 on:]

All is not well with the state of Pro-Wrestling today.

It's all because of one man - Vince McMahon.

Vince is on a complete ego trip.  He's micro-managing everything into the ground.  I actually think he's delusional at times -he's now surrounded himself with "Yes-men" who tell him what he wants to hear and will fire whomever tells him the truth.

His product is stale.  He's out of touch and needs to back off.  If ECW is to succeed (and it didn't before), he needs to control the financial aspect and let Heyman control the booking.  But Vince won't do that - he's got to control everything.

I didn't watch WWECW on Sci-Fi because I knew it would be a disaster of a show.  Vince just can't let another creation that 's not his own shine.  No, he makes his RAW brand 'Superstars' run roughshod over the ECW stars on their maiden show.

Oh, and Angle's injured again.

[Reply #653 on:]

     

Originally posted by newhook_1:TNA is pushing a PPV match with Stiener, and you're saying WWE jumped the shark? Let me tell you something, I was at one night stand, and if the RVD had not won the title, the crowd would have lynched Cena. No exaggeration, I was actually concerned for my safety. The vast majority of the wrestling audience wanted to see RVD go over Cena, and WWE gave the fans what they wanted. How is that jumping the shark? Because you happen to like Cena?

The premire of ECW TV was crap, though. You are right about it seeming like the 2001 invasion with the WWE pushing their homegrown stars like Angle and Show over the ECW guys. Angle and Credible had a match and Credible didn't get one offensive move it. Not one move. I have no problem with them putting Angle over, but god damn, there's no need to make Credible look like a complete joke.

I haven't nothing against RVD winning the title, if he was still WWE.  he's deserved it for a long time, but since he's won it and turned it into the ECW title, it's just asinine.  They just copied Hogan turning the WCW belt into the NWO belt.

That was just one of the two things wrong with ECW last night.  The second was continuing the Invasion ploy for Monday.  I loved Cena punching Heyman, he deserved it for screwing Cena.

Here's what I would like to see happen:

RVD loses the title to Edge and Heyman just makes a new ECW title the next night.

or

Mcmahon decides to make a new title for RAW with a tournament.

ECW should be separate just like how RAW and Smackdown are separate brands.

Some good things about ECW is that it's great to see guys like Sabu, Al Snow, Credible and others after a long time.  Last time I saw Credible was when Batista beat the hell out of him.

Since Randy's on RAW they should trade Masters to Smackdown and go after the world title.  All he needs is a personality and he's a top name.

[Reply #654 on:]

 

Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
Since Randy's on RAW they should trade Masters to Smackdown and go after the world title.  All he needs is a personality and he's a top name.

Masters gaining a personallity is like Mysterio growing a foot and a half.

Hopefully after awhile, Vince will stop the Alliance crap. But I'm not holding my breath for that.

And I think Show and Angle going to Smackdown was a good thing. The ECW brand doesn't have a whole lot of wrestlers as it is. And I'm glad Angle joining ECW wasn't like the last time he joined. Hopefully he'll be there awhile and have some good matches, unlike the one with Credible.

[Reply #655 on:]

 

Since Randy's on RAW they should trade Masters to Smackdown and go after the world title. All he needs is a personality and he's a top name.

Randy's on probation - he was moved from Smackdown because some of the names refused to work with him.  He's just one fuckup from becoming placed on a shelf and getting the very minimum of his contract.  That way he can't jump to TNA and his name value will be depleted by the time his WWE contract is up.  (I wonder if the Diva's demanded that Vince place a guard around their gymbags when Randy showed up?)

Masters is in drug rehab.  All Masters had going for him was his Lex Luger-like physique.  Now taht he can't take 'performance enhancing ddrugs', he's losing that.  He'll be released by the end of this year.

[Reply #656 on:]

How come the WWE doesn't take advantage of having Big Show vs. The Great Khali?  I saw Smackdown and Cole says, "Who can stop The Great Khali?"  He acts as if Big Show doesn't exist.  If the WWE is going to do this invasion crap, why can't they have ECW invade smackdown and have Big Show stare down The Great Khali?

[Reply #657 on:]

 

Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
How come the WWE doesn't take advantage of having Big Show vs. The Great Khali?  I saw Smackdown and Cole says, "Who can stop The Great Khali?"  He acts as if Big Show doesn't exist.  If the WWE is going to do this invasion crap, why can't they have ECW invade smackdown and have Big Show stare down The Great Khali?

They're saving The Big Show vs. The Great Khali for later. Right now, their going to have him beat the crap out of the smaller wrestlers, like Mysterio and Funaki. It's what they always do. There might be a Survivor Series match between them.

[Reply #658 on:]

If WWE bought TNA, they should just turn it into a fourth brand WCW.  Here's my fantasy storylines, Eric Bischoff would be in charge of that brand and they could invade both WWE and ECW.  I could picture the first WCW pay per view in years to feature this card.

RVD vs. Booker T- WWECW champion vs. WCW champion.  Bischoff like Heyman could draft a person from each brand.  He'd draft Booker T since he was the last WCW champion before WCW was bought and Bischoff says is his way of picking up where he left off.

Bagwell vs. Edge-  I'd like to see Buff daddy take on the Rated-R superstar.

Nash, Hall and Waltman vs. Michaels, Kip James and Jesse James-  The outlaws are back on RAW with the selling of TNA.  Bischoff would bring the Outsiders and Xpac back and talk about how DX was always a rip-off the nWo.   Thus we'd have the dream feud of the century nWo vs. DX.

Triple H vs. Sting-  I've wanted to see this for a long time.  Sting appear on a WWE ring and Triple H taking on the Franchise of WCW

Kurt Angle vs. Jeff Jarrett-  The Olympic Gold Medalist take on the king of the mountain.  I'd pictured Jarrett nailing Angle with a guitar as a sneak attack in an ECW ring.

Billy Kidman vs. Gregory Helms.  Bischoff would try to steal the Crusierweight away from WWE since he would claim they stole the title from WCW.

Ric Flair vs. Foley-  Flair would be Bischoff draft pick from RAW and Flair and Foley would get it on.  At least, WWE is finally having this match at their next payperview.

Of course this would mean the WWE would through out the Smackdown and RAw brand concept and have WWE, WCW, and ECW as three brands all run by Vince.  I mean off the WWE is having this invasion crap of ECW vs. WWE, they should just add WCW into the mix again, only this time do it better.

[Reply #659 on:]

Well tonight is another installement of Extremely Crappy Wrestling.  I'm only watching just to see Orton and Edge beat the hell out of those traitors Angle and RVD.  I'm also hoping Cena shows up and deals with Sabu.  I like the fact WWE is toning down the Invasion storyline.  They also are doing a DX Mcmahon feud and Kane feuding with himself.  Though they aren't good storylines either.  The reason why WCW/NWO think work was that along with that big storyline, they had mid-card storylines as alternatives.  When WWE did the Invasion of 2001, that became the only storyline, which became boring and lousy.

newhook_1- you said you were at the ECW One Night Stand and you were afraid of a riot.  Well if they did have a riot of Cena won, then you could've sued the WWE for reckless endangerment.  What just because it's an ECW event, people riot if the person they don't like wins?  Please.

[Reply #660 on:]

There was a very rowdy bunch at the show. I saw a couple of fights break out with security after the show was over. One guy was interviewing people for WWE.com and alomst got into a physical confrontation was a couple of fans who got out of hand until security broke it up. There was also a sign that said, "If Cena wins we riot." I wouldn't have put getting violent if Cena won past some of the people who were there.

Anyway, I would argue that the reason the inVasion of 2001 didn't work is because former WCW world champs, such as DDP and Booker T, where made into whipping boys for WWE wrestlers, while the only guy in the alliance that seemed to be able to hold his own was Austin. A man who changed sides for no reason and had been in the WWE for the previous 6 or 7 years.

Basically, everyone who became a big star in WCW looked like a joke, while guys who got their big break in WWE looked like gods. It was hard to take the inVasion seriously when the main fued was between two guys who had always been WWE mainstays, Angle and Austin. Even the biggest of marks didn't think for a second that it was WCW vs. WWE.

[Reply #661 on:]

fry fan, do you have any passion for this business? I'm 22yrs old and I've been into wrestling as long as I can remember (in fact, my family just watched a home movie of me watching wrestling on x-mas day '92). You think it silly to riot if a wrestler you like lost. Freddy Blaisey was STABBED for winning matches. It has nothing to do with who youy like or don't like. ecw was in people's blood. and if cena won it was like vince set uop this whole ppv just to get the fans money and rub that fact in their face. "you paid money to saa your guy lose" that's like a anti hulk hogan.

[Reply #662 on:]

Let's see what I witnessed in my four years on the circuit:

Ole Anderson got stabbed in Greenville, SC
Masked Superstar got stabbed in Richmond, VA
Roddy Piper got stabbed in Raleigh, NC
Blackjack Mulligan got stabbed in Charleston, SC
Ric Flair was assaulted by a group of rednecks in Myrtle Beach, SC
Buzz Sawyer, Matt Borne and I had to fight  an entire bar for our lives in Conyers, GA

Violence in Wrestling is not new.

Jack Brisco once told me the story of Buddy Colt being killed in a plane crash (the same crash also had Buddy Roberts and Austin Idol in it - both weren't injured).  When it was announced that Buddy Colt was dead - the fans erupted into cheers.  Jack told me that day he was very ashamed to be a pro-wrestler.

Wrestling has the lowest common denomitor fans, but it's hardly the only sport with pus-drooling low-lifes as fans.   Look at what happens at soccer games in Mexico and European countries - assaults and riots that boggle the mind.  Look at what happens in Chicago if the Bulls win or lose - the fans riot.

[Reply #663 on:]

^ so can you think of a american sport where fans our this passionate but arn't violent? and let's ignore the fact that wrestling is a "violent sport"

[Reply #664 on:]

There are two types of wrestling fans, both of which have passion.  The first are the types that look to it as sports entertainment and it serves as a catharsis and you enjoy the fact it's your catharsis.  But then they're those fans who just have nothing better to do with their time and let wrestling become their whole life that the become violent and most of them are the people who riot and stab wrestlers.  That is what ECW represents.  There's no passion in beating up someone with a chair, or using barbwire or fire, you're just entertained by it, but that doesn't mean you should do the same thing just because your favorite wrestler loses a match.  This applies to many violent sports.

[Reply #665 on:]

Oh, a lot of the ECW wrestlers and fans are very passionate. That's why I was worried that a riot would break out in the first place. A lot of people got it all wrong, ECW wasn't just about barbwire and tumbtacks. Sure, those things were entertaining, but ECW was also about the sense of community that surrounded it. Anyone could be a star in ECW, many of the wrestlers just seemed like normal guys. I may have the quote wrong, but Paul Heyman put it best, there was no, this guy's too fat, this guy's too small, this guys too crazy, etc. It was all about guys who had passion for wrestling and putting on a show for the fans.

Tommy Dreamer went through a period where he wasn't even getting paid for wrestling with ECW. He was getting thrown through flaming tables for peanuts because he loved wrestling, and he loved the fans. That my friend, is passion for the business.

Now, I know the more hardcore, violent style isn't everyone's cup of tea, personally, I like all types of wrestling, but I think that anyone who says hardcore wrestling can't have the passion of tradtional wrestling, hasn't watched much hardcore wrestling.

[Reply #666 on:]

newhook, you and me are of a kind.

spike dudley was a elementry school teacher before he was a wrestler. when asked if he regreted it he said "no, I love taking bumps, I love poping a crowd."

my point really is that the person getting hit with a chair is the one with the passion, not the one hitting with it.

Sabu points to the sky to honor his grandfather, but also to thank god he is still alive to do what he loves.

(ablictory mick foley hell in the cell story)
mick foley fell off a 15 foot high steel cage, threw a announce table, which saved his life, dislocated his shoulder, and bruised his kidney. he got up and climbed to the top of the cage again, not to prove he was a tough guy, but because 40,000 people paid to see him that night.

^^that is passion for the bussiness^^^

[Reply #667 on:]

Tommy Dreamer is a bigger prostitute than Mick Foley.  He's not in it for money, but he'll do whatever Heyman tells him to do just to promote ECW.  He'll get his ass kicked, slammed through tables, but he'll never be a big star like Cena, Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley, or RVD.  Just because you're passionate about something, doesn't mean you're smart.  I think want Mick Foley did took guts, and he's a legend and an icon for falling off a 15 foot high steel cage.  Was he smart doing it?  Who cares, at least he's a bigger star than Tommy Dreamer, because he made the jump to mainstream.  ECW is like junior college and WWE is UC.

I'm glad that Vince has a control of ECW.  From what I heard, Heyman was one of the reasons why ECW went out of business.  He was a shitty business man and wrote checks he couldn't cash. 

[Reply #668 on:]

Yes, but we weren't arguing over Tommy Dreamer's intelligence, were we? I was arguing that despite the fact that he is a hardocre wrestler, he is still very passionate.

Also, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but not many people like Cena all that much. I mean, more power to you if you do, but unless something changes in the future, he'll never be in the same league as Foley, HBK, and RVD. He could rebound if they turn him heel, but they don't seem to be making any moves towards that.

You're glad Vince is in charge of ECW? I don't know if you've been watching, but ECW TV has fucking sucked so far, and it's been mostly built around WWE guys. It is not ECW, and you don't sound like you've ever sat down and watched your average episode of ECW. Most ECW matches were hardly blood baths, those are just what they were most known for. ECW still had some amazing mat technicians, such as Lance Storm, who would regularly wrestle fairly tradtional matches.

ECW went under because Heyman was a poor business man, not because it sucked. The show failed to find a large enough audience. 

[Reply #669 on:]

Vince said on The Rise and Fall dvd, ECW couldn't do the same stuff they did when they first started, if they wanted success on a weekly television show. On the TV show they were trying to get a bigger audience. So I doubt that Vince will try and make it the same ECW some of you watched when it was originally on.

And Tommy Dreamer isn't an idiot for doing the things he did with little to no recognition for it, he's just very passionate, and loves what he does.

There's a lot of reasons why ECW failed, one reason was Paul Heyman being a bad business man, another was a bunch of the wrestlers leaving and going to WWE or WCW, the third is TNN screwing them. They were under contract, so they couldn't negotiate with another network, and TNN wasn't running one single bit of advertisment.

[Reply #670 on:]

R/E Flair vs. Foley:

I'm actually marking out for this feud.  The two men legit don't like each other, but are professional enough to not hurt each other  Flair's not afraid to put his body on the line and we all know what Mick can and will do.  It's just a pity that this feud didn't happen 10 years ago when both men were younger and more mobile.

[Reply #671 on:]

TNN ran ads, just during ECW on TNN, which is pretty worthless.  Kind of like WWE changing the direction of the Flair-Foley feud ON THE NIGHT OF THE MATCH.

[Reply #672 on:]

From http://www.irontontribune.com/articles/200...ews/news437.txt

Wrestling stars busted in Hanging Rock
by Kirsten Stanley/The Ironton Tribune
Monday, July 3, 2006 10:10 AM CDT

HANGING ROCK - Two wrestling superstars from Extreme Championship
Wrestling and World Wrestling Entertainment may be tough in the ring,
but they didn't have enough muscle to escape drug charges after being
stopped Sunday night by the Ohio State Highway Patrol.

Robert Alex Szatowski, aka WWE and ECW champion Rob Van Dam, and Terry
Michael Brunk, aka Sabu, also a former ECW champion, were pulled over
on U.S. 52, near Patrick Street in Hanging Rock at about 10:15 p.m. The
two were apparently driving from their performances at the Big Sandy
Superstore Arena earlier in the evening.

According to the OSHP, Szatowski was initially stopped for speeding.
When troopers approached his vehicle, they smelled marijuana and
performed a search. Troopers found the wrestler in possession of 18
grams of marijuana and five Vicodin, prescription pain pills. Brunk was
charged with possession of drug paraphernalia and also had nine pills
that were not immediately identifiable, but were known to be controlled
substances, according to the OSHP. Both were cited and posted bond at
the scene.

Szatowski, of Battle Creek, Mich., has had a long, successful career
with both the WWE and ECW. In addition to being the current champion of
both, he has been intercontinental champion six times, hardcore
champion four times and has been a part of several championship tag
team duos.

He is scheduled to wrestle tonight on WWE Raw and is also wrestling
Tuesday night to retain his WWE and ECW titles during the "Extreme
Rules Match" on the Sci-Fi channel.

Brunk, who lists his hometown as Bombay, India, on the WWE Web site,
has also had a successful career with the ECW, earning world
heavyweight championship titles two times and tag team championship
honors three times.

Both Brunk and Szatowski are scheduled to appear at 10 a.m. Thursday in
Ironton Municipal Court. Both wrestlers won their matches last night in
Huntington, W.Va. Van Dam defeated the Big Show and Sabu defeated
Justin Credible.

----

Ralph note:  Congrats on your new World Title Reign, Edge.

[Reply #673 on:]

Is this still the ONE thread dedicated to this topic? AWESOME. This is probably the oldest thread EVER to have not reached it limit.


Anyhoo, anyone hear about RVD getting busted for pot, AGAIN?? I wonder how this will affect his reign as WWE and ECW champion.

[Reply #674 on:]

 

Originally posted by Coop:
Anyhoo, anyone hear about RVD getting busted for pot, AGAIN?? I wonder how this will affect his reign as WWE and ECW champion.

Uh, ^^.

What a suprise, RVD caught with weed. 

[Reply #675 on:]

I'm not surprised about RVD, hope they strip him and say he had an "accident".  Half the guys in Extreme Crappy Wrestling probably have something to hide.  Sandman or Hak was in jail how many times.  This Tuesday he'll probably hit some old lady with his stick.  That's all he's good for, that and hitting himself with a beer can.  That really is passion.

[Reply #676 on:]

OMFGWTFBBQ. Egde is new WWE champion, and Coop made a post? What a day.

Anyway Coop, how's the wrestling carrer going? Fill us in!

@fryfanSpyOrama: You're retarded. I'm not even going to argue with that.

[Reply #677 on:]

 

Originally posted by newhook_1:
@fryfanSpyOrama: You're retarded. I'm not even going to argue with that.

I'm not as retarded as half the ECW roster.

newhook- I never said I watched ECW regularly in the old days, but I saw a few of their payperviews at a few friends' houses and I was appalled by some of the things I saw.  Just people hitting each all the time,  It's like watching a movie that has too much swearing, the excessive swearing loses its impact after a while.

I've learned that WWE might bring back WCW and make Smackdown their show. The signs are all there for a WCW rebirth on smackdown. WCW titles (World, US, Cruiser) WCW Refs (Nick Patrick, Charles Robinson) WCW PPVs (Great American Bash) WCW Superstars (Rey, Helms, Booker T, Benoit, Finlay, Noble, Psicosis, Road Warrior, Super Crazy) and now with Bischoff, gone it leaves him free to start a WCW invasion on SmackDown!, but sources say the invasion will start in the new ECW.

That is one invasion storyline I wouldn't mind.  Bischoff, I hate, but he was a good promoter in old WCW days.  Creating the nwo, making guys like Sting and DDP.  The only thing he did wrong was use Ted Turner's money like it was water.  I hear, WCW had to pay Bret Hart almost $90 million dollars (which was WCW's original offer back in 1996), in advanced for his 3 year stay, and he didn't even finish those three years because of Goldberg. 

[Reply #678 on:]

.....

*eats ffsorama*

[Reply #679 on:]

THANK GOD for Edge.  I hate him for many things he's done, but he brought the title home.