WWE- Where it all begins again

[Reply #600 on:]

Harley Race was the 'hidden' professional.

In my few years, I never saw a 'stunt granny'.

I'm old-school and believe in kayfabe, so I prefer to let you imagine that's wrestling's real.   

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I know there are some things in wrestling that aren't real, but so fucken what. That doesn't make it any less entertaining to watch.

I think it is insulting to guys like Mick Foley, Tery Funk and Jeff Hardy. They get their ass kicked, and they do it for the fans, then some smug pricks calls it "fake". I read Mick's book, and on the back of one of him, it lists his injuries. if that's what fake is, I'd hate to see real.

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The Great Khali's real name is Dalip Singh and he's known for the accidential death of Brian Ong while Singh was applying a flapjack to Ong.  I know this because a friend of mine was friends with Ong and he recongnized Singh on Smackdown.

[Reply #603 on:]

Charlie Haas is back in the WWE.  He has one of the coolest entrance themes.

[Reply #604 on:]

I didn't know he left.

Is Benjamine still there?

[Reply #605 on:]

They both faced each other this past Monday.  It was a cool match and Haas came out the winner.

[Reply #606 on:]

Awesome. I'm sorry I missed it.

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It was a good match, and Haas showed fire for once.  In other wrestling-related news, the Hardcore Homecoming November Reign set is PACKED with extras.  Unfortunately, its main event of Team 3D vs. Terry Funk/Sabu had to be cut due to TNA's DVD deal.  On the upside, it has two ECW fancam matches, including one with Benoit!

[Reply #608 on:]

 

Originally posted by Jay:
It was a good match, and Haas showed fire for once.  In other wrestling-related news, the Hardcore Homecoming November Reign set is PACKED with extras.  Unfortunately, its main event of Team 3D vs. Terry Funk/Sabu had to be cut due to TNA's DVD deal.  On the upside, it has two ECW fancam matches, including one with Benoit!

Huh?

[Reply #609 on:]

Bob Holly is fighting for his life.

Granted, he's one of the biggest assholes in the sport today - along with Randy Orton and JBL but I don't wish ill health on him.

 http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/fightingforlife

[Reply #610 on:]

Can anyone tell me what was up with Regal dressing in different costumes? I tuned in late.

[Reply #611 on:]

He lost to Birchill, and now he has to dress however the scallywag tells him to.

 

Originally posted by Spawn_3005:
Huh?

TNA talent can appear at any wrestling show as long as they're not broadcast on television or PPV, and they don't appear on a DVD sold at major retailers. Hardcore Homcoming is sold at major retailers.

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Bagwell and Luger on TNA was great.

[Reply #613 on:]

If you ever use Luger and great in the same sentence again, I'm going to slap you.

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Originally posted by newhook_1:

If you ever use Luger and great in the same sentence again, I'm going to slap you.

What's sad is Luger had so much potential.  Back in the late '80's, he was the one with 'can't miss' potential.

His mis-steps in life are pitiful, and he could have controlled most of them if he weren't an idiot.  The death of Liz and the fact that just one week earlier he had beaten her (she never pressed charges) has made him a pariah with fans and most of the boys in the lockerroom.

Now, I'd love to see a shoot fight between him and Randy Savage.  I'd pay to see that and hope that both drop dead in the middle of the ring.

[Reply #615 on:]

I used to like the old Luger better, before the nwo storyline.  It seemed WCW had no use for him in that whole thing and they had no use after that.  It's interesting to see Luger after the Miss Elizabeth incident, that is what I meant.

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Does anyone know what happened to Amy Dumas?

[Reply #617 on:]

Um....she's Lita?

[Reply #618 on:]

Yeah but she's not in it any more is she? I assume so cos' I haven't seen her wrestle in ages.

[Reply #619 on:]

What? She's on Raw with Edge like every week.

[Reply #620 on:]

Amy Dumas doesn't wrestle anymore due to several injuries - her knees are shot, she can no longer do the high-impact maneuvers because of her neck injury (first sustained in filming a movie then re-injured in her first match back against Trish Stratus).

She now has value as Edge's 'whore'.  When that gets old and ends, WWE will "Wish her well with her future endeavors..."

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Originally posted by newhook_1:
What? She's on Raw with Edge like every week.

Ah right. I don't have Sky Sports thats why. Cos' I suck.

But it would be a real shame to see Amy quit wrestling. Such a good talent

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I for one hope Bob Holly returns from his health problems ... in time for a shoot match with Samoa Joe.

ECW is apparently coming back as a full-time promotion, but they're going to do TV at Smackdown tapings, replacing Velocity. Nothing says "ECW" like "slowly filling arena watching prelim matches". They're going to do house shows at some of the old ECW arenas, including THE ECW Arena on ... June 23 or 25, I believe. That'll be good, but they're also signing a bunch of former ECW wrestlers (i.e. the ones not locked up to TNA or the grave). I'm sure they'll blow it.

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Joey Styles 'shoot' on the WWE.

He wrote it, and management like it.  He had to edit out the part that "HHH is in the main event because he married the chairman's daughter."  It's said that Crips had Stephanie ask Vince to take that part out.

God, what an insecure bastard.  He wants to hold a fake title in a fake sport and demands respect from the fans of a fake sport.

Anyway, Styles' shoot from Youtube - warning - broadband only - it's huge.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRwtRCBOgo

[Reply #624 on:]

Actually I understand not having that in there; the rest of his worked shoot fit within the context of the show, but that might have been too much breaking down the fourth wall, which WCW did too much at its end.

I liked Styles' rant enough, though I was struck by how much he looked like Jim Cornette up there. That was a very tumultuous last half-hour, between that and the DX tease in the main event.

[Reply #625 on:]

I dont like Foley
I agree with flair he is a glorified stunt man

[Reply #626 on:]

Well, I actually think Flair is somewhat overrated. I mean, I just don't think he's a great wrestler. I think he's a good wrestler who's been around for a long time, and people confuse that with greatness. There's no doubt that he's always been talented, but I think there's always been guys better than him, on every roster he's been on, Flair has just lasted longer than any of them. I'm sure many would disagree.

I've seen Steamboat vs. Flair, and it was one of the greatest matches ever, but for fucks' sakes, Steamboat could have carried Giant Gonzallas back when he was in his prime.

[Reply #627 on:]

Ah, Newhook, young grasshopper, you never saw Flair in his prime. The Ric Flair who carried the Mid-Atlantic on his shoulders before he became NWA world champ.  The World Champ Flair who battled greats like Dusty Rhodes, Harley Race, Roddy Piper, The Brisco Brothers, Jimmy Valiant, Magnum TA, Nikita Koloff, Lex Luger and many others...

Flair was starting to live off his legacy in the early 90's, but his matches with Vader were honest-to-God slugfests.  Vader told Flair the only way he'd take the title would to be to beat Vader, so Flair did beat Vader - legit.  That was probably his last great match.

The old, tired, washed-up war-horse that you see today is a ghost of what he once was.

I use to love being on the cards that Flair was on.  The house would always be sold out and Flair always paid for the drinks after the matches.  Maybe that's why he's 57 and still wrestling and is 2 million bucks in debt to the IRS.

You're right - Steamboat is one of the most overlooked and underated wrestlers of the 80's.  He can thank Vince and his wife Bonnie for not being a bigger name.

As for carrying Giant Gonzalles to a watchable match - nobody is that good!

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Maybe the fact that I became a big wrestling fan right around the time he was dressing in drag in WCW has something to do with it.

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Good new, everyone!

Well, it's actually old news, but I thought that I'd spread it.

My favorite wrestling personality of all time is joining NWA-TNA.

Jim Cornette.  He and I share the same birthday.  I have never met him psersonally, but the man is gold behind the mic.  I can't wait for him to spew some anti-Vince hatred.  I was deep-sea fishing one day (back around 1994) and Stan Lane was one of the people on the fishing trip - he told me that Cornette was not an act - the man is as crazy and out-of-control as he seems on TV.

Man, if we could get Tom Zenk, Ole Anderson and Jim Cornette to do a shoot interview on TV about Vince... Let's just say that it would be a wet dream come true for me!

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I have to add another Flair comment - this pic was taken in 1979 when Flair and Blackjack Mulligan were World Tag Champs.  They only held the belts for 1 month (they used the Tag Championship to have Flair give up the US Belt so he wouldn't be cheapened by a pinfall loss).  I was on the circuit with them for the 6 week period and I have never seen every high school gym, football field and major colloseum sold out like when those two were together.  They took on everybody - Paul Jones and Baron von Raschke, Ken Patera and John Studd, Ricky Steamboat and Jay Youngblood (in a rare face vs. face match), Johnny Weaver and Dewey Robinson (the Mid-Atlantic Tag Champs), the Anderson Brothers (Lars and Ole - the Georgia Tag Champs) and The Brisco Brothers (Florida Tag Champs).  I was even in a TV 'squash match' against them when I teamed with Joe Furr - Mully stiffed me with a backwards flying elbow - the guy was so classy that he bought me supper that night because he felt bad about busting my lip (6 stitches).

They were always the main event, and the roof would blow off the building when they were introduced on the way to the ring.  It didn't matter who was in the audience - white, black, male, female - everybody loved Flair and Mulligan.

Jack says those were the happiest days of his career - touring with Flair.

Some things don't age well - sports figures, porn stars and rock stars.  As much as I like and respect Flair, it saddening to see him still in the ring, especially since I know what he use to be.  He's gold behind the mic - he should be a commentator or a manager with very rare ring appearances.



The night they won the World Tag Championship in Greensboro, NC.  They were in the parking lot signing autographs until after 2 am...



Vince can't do anything today to match that...

[Reply #630 on:]

What's the deal with Foley helping Edge beat up Tommy Dreamer?  Is Foley joining some anti-ECW factor?  I hope WWE doesn't do some Invasion crap with ECW, because they tried that back in 2001 with WCW/ECW and that didn't work.

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Actually ECW is being revived to be it's own entity.  It will have it's own programming slot (replacing Velocity) in a manner to combat TNA.  Joey Styles will be commetator.  Tommy Dreamer, the Sandman and others have already been signed to contracts, Paul Heyman has been given the book and supposenly Vince and Stephanie will keep their noses out of it (hahahahaha - Vince is too much a control freak to give the complete book to anybody else).

As for the Foley heel bit - he was played out as a face, so it's good for him.

Speculation is that RVD will use his MITB match to win the RAW title and make it the ECW title.

[Reply #632 on:]

Whats the deal with the WWE spinner belt. I like the classic one better.
Whats up with John Cena holding the belt so long are they trying to make him look good.I dont think its working.
Why did they make HHH tap to Cena I thought that was Benoits big time moment.

[Reply #633 on:]

Because Vince wants him to get over as a face, and if Vince wants something, then bygod he'll get it come hell or high water. He's one of the most stubborn men on the planet.

[Reply #634 on:]

Kerry Von Erich gets revenge from beyond the grave:

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Anyway I only just got around to watching WM22, finally downloaded it, twas alright, was surprised Taker/Henry turned out to be a decent match, Taker pulled off a Jeff Hardy type move which was amazing for a 6'10 guy in his mid 40's.
Glad Orton didn't win, although I think Rey is a bit of a charity case he is still far more deserving than Orton.

Was a bit annoyed Cena won again,
Yes HHH may be an ego maniac who likes to blow himself but I think Cena is more annoying, most people are sick of the talentless bum, I think Vince  is planning on turning him heel, its the only reason I can think of as to why he has been given such a long reign despite the crowd turning on him.

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What's the deal with Long firing people?  Are JBL melina and Johnny Nitro going to end up in ECW?  I totally think that bringing ECW back is a joke.  I like Hardcore, hut I can't imagine seeing it on a regular basis and plus ECW will still be owned by WWE so it probably won't be the same as the old days.  They should bring in Team 3D, Ravem and Rhyno.

I also don't like the idea of RVD winning the WWE title and making it the ECW title.  I like the fact that Cena is defending it against someone that isn't HHH for once.

I like the two brands of RAW and Smackdown.  The only thing is that WWE is having problems handling them.  If they did a better job with promoting them then they won't be having problems.  They should add more competition to the tag team divisons of both brands.  Smackdown should have better Crusierweight matches.

Smackdown is doing a good job in how World title is defended against a different challenger every payperview.  I'd like to see Booker T be the next contender just because he hasn't gone after it in a while.  I hope Rey loses the title.  I like Rey, but the only reason why he's the champ is because of Eddie.  He's a charity case that has run it's course.  I think it's fucked up that Rey is World champion and Chavo, a blood relative gets shit.

[Reply #637 on:]

Dare I say DX?

Oh yes.

I dare...

[Reply #638 on:]

Originally the reports had Melina and Nitro being shipped off to Raw (Nitro lost to Cena in his debut last night) because they were sucking face with each other all the time and it was causing backstage acrimony. Then I think Meltzer said it was because they're sending Joey Mercury to rehab. And with that the best tag team in WWE is no more. Now we've got London-Spanky, Kid Kash and Jamie Noble trying to be the Deep South Pitbulls and the Spirit Squad, which is rapidly turning into The Kenny Doane Show. Seriously, Kenny has main evented like four of the last six Raws. And Joey Styles wasn't around for any of them so he could call OH MY GOD! ... THEY KILLED KENNY! Missed opportunities, man ...

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How could Kurt Angle willing agree to be apart of ECW?  I remember he visited an ECW event back in 1996 and disliked it.  He was part of the WWE crusade against ECW last year.  I'm with Lawler on this, I don't like the idea of ECW as a full time brand.  WWE has enough problems and to try and make a third brand is ignoring the problems they have.