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Ralph Snart

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« Reply #560 on: 04-07-2006 01:04 »
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When he (HHH) came back from his quad tear - he was super-ripped and looked like a damned gila-monster.

I look that way once in my life (for only a couple of months - a lot of work is needed to look ripped like that) - working out everyday except Sundays, eating a very balanced diet... and injecting 'hoids.

But Crips is Vince's son-in-law, so he's immune from anything.  Pluse, Vince sends a very subtle message to his workers by having a unGodly ripped body - at 60 years of age.

Yep, it's gotta be the chemicals...

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MORE RANDY ORTON NEWS

The PWTorch Newsletter is reporting that Randy Orton's suspension is
due to his behavior backstage at WrestleMania 22.

The issue with Orton seems to be mostly due to his attitude about how
he is a main eventer and feeling that he does not have to follow the
same rules as everyone else, as opposed to doing something to someone
else or his health. The word going around right now is that Orton
feels he is above the rules, and has had several issues in the past
backstage, mainly with female co-workers and the way he talks to them.

Randy Orton is one of the least liked people backstage, and has the
most heat of anyone right now. The Undertaker is said to despise Randy
Orton, and it's not just an issue with "serious people" not liking his
attitude, as people who love to party like Ric Flair and Kurt Angle do
not like him either.

This suspension is likely to be very good for locker room morale, and
it doesn't look like anyone will be missing him backstage. 


A 'rhoid-free TOTPD...
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« Reply #561 on: 04-07-2006 19:05 »
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I still think Randys an alright wrestler.
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« Reply #562 on: 04-07-2006 19:12 »

 
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I still think Randys an alright wrestler.

He has [good] in ring ability and so does HHH and thats good enough for me.
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« Reply #563 on: 04-07-2006 19:50 »

When there is a lockeroom cancer (like Orton), moral suffers and then the matches suffer because the 'boys' wonder why should they bust their asses and perform when somebody isn't playing by the same rules and not having to pay the price for it.

Also Orton has gone into the crowds inciting fights.  The WWE can be liable if somebody is injured by one of their performers, particuarly if said performer has a history of doing such things and not being disciplined.

What the hell makes Vince think that he can control an insubordianate asshole like Orton when the U.S. Marines couldn't?

I hope his ass gets fired and he's reduced to cleaning toilets for a living.  It's still too good for him.
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« Reply #564 on: 04-07-2006 20:03 »
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
When there is a lockeroom cancer (like Orton), moral suffers and then the matches suffer because the 'boys' wonder why should they bust their asses and perform when somebody isn't playing by the same rules and not having to pay the price for it.

Also Orton has gone into the crowds inciting fights.  The WWE can be liable if somebody is injured by one of their performers, particuarly if said performer has a history of doing such things and not being disciplined.

What the hell makes Vince think that he can control an insubordianate asshole like Orton when the U.S. Marines couldn't?

I hope his ass gets fired and he's reduced to cleaning toilets for a living.  It's still too good for him.
Dude hes not that bad of a man.Those were just harmless pranks.

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« Reply #565 on: 04-07-2006 21:33 »

Errr, inciting fights with the crowd is a harmless prank? I think not.

I have heard of Orton taking a shit in people's gymbags, and that is not cool. I mean, come on. No one would want their stuff shitted on, and if they did, then...

Would you like your personal belongings being crapped on?
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« Reply #566 on: 04-07-2006 22:13 »

I still cant believe he did all those bad things.
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« Reply #567 on: 04-07-2006 22:36 »

 
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Originally posted by Eyedol7513:
Errr, inciting fights with the crowd is a harmless prank? I think not.

I have heard of Orton taking a shit in people's gymbags, and that is not cool. I mean, come on. No one would want their stuff shitted on, and if they did, then...

Would you like your personal belongings being crapped on?
Okay maybe they were harmful but he didnt mean to harm people.
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« Reply #568 on: 04-07-2006 22:54 »

Is all this true or are those rumors.
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« Reply #569 on: 04-07-2006 23:30 »

Maybe so, but it's damn sure not a way to make friends.
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« Reply #570 on: 04-08-2006 03:53 »

orton is the worst wrsetles even his name legend killa is crap but shittin in peoples gymbags os lower than low
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« Reply #571 on: 04-08-2006 08:36 »

 
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orton is the worst wrsetles even his name legend killa is crap but shittin in peoples gymbags os lower than low
Great spelling.             When will rey lose the title?
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« Reply #572 on: 04-08-2006 09:37 »

Wait a Second.If Randy is suspended why did he compete last night and is going to next week.He needs to be suspended damnit
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« Reply #573 on: 04-08-2006 09:49 »

No he isnt that bad.He shouldnt be suspended.
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« Reply #574 on: 04-08-2006 11:05 »

 
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No he isnt that bad.He shouldnt be suspended.
Yeah he is.I mean come on the guy is shiting everywhere.

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« Reply #575 on: 04-08-2006 11:36 »

Not every where.
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« Reply #576 on: 04-08-2006 12:09 »

 
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Not every where.
yeaah your right just all of the lockerroom

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« Reply #577 on: 04-08-2006 14:29 »

Man Randy did good with his match aginst rey last night.
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« Reply #578 on: 04-09-2006 13:18 »

Yes he did, but that still doesn't excuse his behaviour behind the scenes. Apperantly even the guys who generally get along with everyone backstage, such as Benoit, hate Orton.
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« Reply #579 on: 04-10-2006 09:33 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
When he (HHH) came back from his quad tear - he was super-ripped and looked like a damned gila-monster.

Whenever a wrestler is gone for a few months (injury or vacation) they always look more built, they have more time to workout and they're not on the road eating whatever is available to them.

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« Reply #580 on: 04-11-2006 10:34 »

Worst wrestling villains ever
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« Reply #581 on: 04-11-2006 13:29 »

Ah, Papa Shango, where art thou!
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« Reply #582 on: 04-11-2006 13:51 »
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Now he's called the Boogeyman and he eats worms.
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« Reply #583 on: 04-11-2006 14:28 »

I'm amazed that they forgot the Headbangers, who dressed as nuns in their first WWF match.  Severe criticism destroyed this gimmick in less than a week.

For the absolute lowest in 'crap' gimmicks - I have two words for you:

BEAVER CLEAVAGE
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« Reply #584 on: 04-11-2006 16:09 »

They left out the headbangers because the article was exclusive to heels.  tongue

Poor Chaz never gets any luck though, does he? He's been a nun, one half of the Headbangers, Beaver Cleavage, and one half of Lo Down.
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« Reply #585 on: 04-11-2006 19:50 »

The only person that deserves any championship belt is Foley. You can't just leave him in the dark when it comes to talking about legends either. The mans a genius too. Read his autobiography. Very intelligent man. He's my hero.
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« Reply #586 on: 04-11-2006 20:20 »
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Mick Foley is nothing but a glorified stuntman and attention whore.  Yes, he's articulate.  Yes, he's intelligent.  But all he'll ever be famous for is hardcore matches and being thrown off the top of th HITC.

I remember when he use to rag Terry Funk about his mulitple retirements - now he does the same thing.  HHH made the perfect comment - 'Foley's like a turd that you can't flush.  When you least expect it, he comes floating back to the surface.'

He was used appropriately - as a transitional champion and as a JTTS to put younger talent over.
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« Reply #587 on: 04-11-2006 20:33 »

thats fuckin' harsh guy. How can you say that really. Maybe he is used for mainly hardcore matches and that is how he will be remembered but there are other wrestlers used for the same old crap. Like JBL. Same old lines , same old crap , doesnt do anything but yap on and get the crowd flipped off.

What im trying to say is at the end of the day , you like some wrestlers and you hate some others. Truth is , the better ones will be remembered for being great in their time and without question Foley will be remembered. Sod all these new school/skool trash talking wrestlers. Foley is GOD.

He may be "The turd you cant flush" but that just proves that fans love him for who he is.
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« Reply #588 on: 04-11-2006 21:37 »

Mick 'King of the cheap pops' Foley.

I liked Mick back in his WCW days when he was feuding with Vader and holding the Tag Titles with Kevin Sullivan.  Yes, he was one tough SOB.  The fact that he could hold his own with Leon White (Vader) is a testament for any athelete, and he did get his left ear ripped off in a match against Vader.  He was also buried by the bookers (like Bill Watts and Dusty Rhoades, who were both trying to force their sons down the fans throats), so he didn't get his just due in the WCW.

The Mick Foley today only comes out of retirement when he needs to promo a shitty book that nobody will read and when he needs a paycheck.  That's as bad as Hogan only showing up when he needs to advertise his shitty 'Reality Series' (Hey, Huckster:  If your show is being palyed on MTV, it's a shitty show!)

I've never met Mick, but I have met Hogan - a bigger and more dislikable egomaniac I will never meet.
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« Reply #589 on: 04-11-2006 21:41 »

Like I've said somewhere before in this thread, I really respected Mick Foley until his constant returns to the ring. His first "retirement" match in 2000 vs. HHH was perhaps one of the best matches of that year. If he left the WWF for good then, then he'd still be a legend. But his constant returns to the ring dilute his orginial run so much more.

However, he usually is good at putting over new(er) stars when he returns. Compare that to Austin, Hogan, Nash, Hall, HHH, etc.

However, his actual in-ring work isn't that strong. He's not a good technical wrestler. He's a brawler, which is fine. He entertains me, sure. But he's not the best wrestler ever.
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« Reply #590 on: 04-13-2006 00:08 »

I was on the phone with one of my 'old sources', a guy I wrestled with who ended up becoming a trainer at The WCW Powerplant.  He now has his own wrestling school and lends his protoges to the WWE when they make the circuit thru his area.  Anyway, he told me that Randy Orton is so disliked and has become so much a pain in the ass that his suspension has been extended to indefinite status and his pay will be cut to bare minimum to keep him under contract to the WWE for two more years, that way he can't jump to TNA.

He has a problem dealing with women and supposenly the last straw was he told Stephanie McMahon that he only took orders from Vince and not her.  The quickest way to get into deep shit in the WWE is to backtalk Stephanie (as Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette can attest to).

I will not miss him and I hope this is true.
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« Reply #591 on: 04-13-2006 00:31 »

I just read that on Nodq.com. They say that many backstage think he needs therapy. Hopfully he can get his shit together, because it seems like an awful waste of talent. He's not the best in the world, but he'd have potential were it not for his jackassery.
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« Reply #592 on: 04-13-2006 01:17 »

I've never heard of nodq.com, so I checked it out.  Neat.

My source also told me that it's possible that Angle did a legit shoot on Orton and did legit injure him to 'teach him a lesson', as Orton's attitude backstage did not improve after he was informed of his suspension.

It would not be the first time a worker has done a legit injury shoot - Rene Dupree's savage beating by Bob Holly last year immediately comes to mind.  For all the barbs we sling at him, JBL is a reknown policeman and shooter for the WWE - if a wrestler gets out of line, JBL will legit kick their ass in the ring.  Then he'll tie them up and sodomize them in the lockeroom if he feels they need the extra lesson (he did this with Lawler's son, Brian Christopher and legit beat the dogcrap out of Edge a few years ago).

Angle legit hates Orton, so I can see him doing a legit injury shoot on him if Vince gave the word.

(Back in my day in Georgia, Stan Hansen was the enforcer.  Anytime I was going to face him in the ring, I always made sure that he and I were cool with each other.  I had a match with Jimmy Snuka and there was legit heat between us,  Hansen came and sat at ringside so that neither of us shot on each other.  He told both of us that the first one to shoot would be laid up for six months after he finished with us.  The match proceded as planned...)
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« Reply #593 on: 04-13-2006 17:21 »

Hey Snart , when you say legit beat him up and ligit shooter and all that , what do you exactly mean? Ive never heard of it. Ive never been a wrestler so i dont understand all the terms.
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« Reply #594 on: 04-13-2006 18:44 »

There are several sites that go into the terminology of 'kayfabe', or wrestling speak.

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Wrestling

When I wrestled back in the early 80's, it was every wrestlers job to protect the business, much like magicians protect their tricks and illusions.  We had stage names and code words.  To this day, there's a lot of the boys that I only knew by their stage names - only if somebody told me their real name would I care.

Anyway:

legit = legitimately, as in real.  Angle really despises Orton.

Shoot = real fight.  If somebody 'shoots' on somebody, they've abandoned the script and have start fighting for real.

Enforcer = the guy who acts as a policeman and keeps the wrestlers under control.  The Undertaker, Bob Holly and JBL are the big enforcers of the WWE today.  Other enforcers in the past were Blackjack Mulligan, Harley Race, Stan Hansen, Ole Anderson, Lou Thez and Killer Karl Kox.
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« Reply #595 on: 04-13-2006 19:09 »

So theyre like the guys who say to their peers "Calm the fuck down or we are all gonna be out of a job if you dont do what the boss told you to do tonight."
And if they go against what they were told they will run in and start a fight up for the crowd. But they will be telling the wrestler really just to calm it down.

Am I right there?
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« Reply #596 on: 04-13-2006 19:26 »

Pro-wrestling slang:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wrestling_slang

Like the incident with Snuka and myself.  Snuka had a psychotic episode and beat the dogshit out of me in the Mid-Atlantic in 1979 - I was so badly injured until I had to take 2 months off.  Gene Anderson, Ric Flair and Rocky Johnson (the Rock's dad) ran to the ring and pulled him off of me.  For my safety, Gene Anderson had Ole give me a slot in Georgia.  One year later, Snuka arrived in Georgia and we were slated to wrestle each other.  I was going to get even - I had taped razor blades to every finger of my left hand - I planned to shoot hard on him and repay him for my beating.  Ole Anderson knew the heat between Snuka and myself, so he sent Stan down to make sure that we didn't shoot on each other.  Ole made sure that we (Snuka and me)never met each other in the ring again.  When there are two performers who hate each other to the point that their safety is questioned, they will be kept apart.  Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels had heat with each other almost to this degree before the Montreal Screwjob.


Shoots are rare.  The fact that the guy in the ring can probably defend himself is one deterant; the fact that he may be friends with guys bigger and badder than the shooter in the lockeroom is another.  Then you can lose your job for shooting and injuring your opponent.

Sometimes, a guy will get out of line, sandbagging or no-selling to make his opponent look bad, or causing other problems, like holding out for more money prior to a big match (Bruiser Brody and Ultimate Warrior were infamous for doing this).  The word will come from the booker to shoot on said person to teach them a lesson.  If the shoot is ordered by the booker, then the person being shot on will get no help from the lockeroom - he's on his own.

I've had some 'tight' matches with real fists connecting, but no real shoots other than the Sunka episode.
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« Reply #597 on: 04-13-2006 19:32 »

So when you wrestled was your stage name Ralph Snart? And how come ive never seen you wrestle before man? Seems like your well known.

Theres just one thing I really need to know cos' i hear so much shit from other people.

In a brutal match where guys get busted open , do they do that through fists or do they have small razorblades taped to their fingers (like you did)

Friends of mine say shit like "oh the bite blood capsules in their mouth". I think its a load of shit. Those guys go out their and really get hurt. You can't fake some of the shit they do.
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« Reply #598 on: 04-13-2006 23:33 »
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So when you wrestled was your stage name Ralph Snart? And how come ive never seen you wrestle before man? Seems like your well known.

Frank Monte.  I was 'talent enhancement'; a jobber to the stars.  I made it as high as the mid-card,  I wrestled from 1978-1982.

 
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In a brutal match where guys get busted open , do they do that through fists or do they have small razorblades taped to their fingers (like you did)

Friends of mine say shit like "oh the bite blood capsules in their mouth". I think its a load of shit. Those guys go out their and really get hurt. You can't fake some of the shit they do.

No blood capsules - it's the real thing.  Red = Green.  There are 2 ways to bleed.  One is to 'blade', to cut yourself with a 'gig' a chip of razor hidden in tape around your wrists.  The other is 'hardway', where your get hit by a fist, chair, bell or anything else that causes blood to flow.

Real injuries are common - Mick Foley was forced to retire at the age of thirty-five because his body was so beat up.  Drug use and abuse is epidemic with pro-wrestlers because of pain, injuries and stress related to life on the road; a lot of wrestlers don't live to see 45 years of age. 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCM1lQCiaH8&search=wcw

A short clip of a messed up move.  Steave Austin has severe neck problems due to a botched piledriver by Owen Hart, Buff Bagwell, had a broken neck from a botched bulldog, HHH tore his quad during a tag match.  Injuries do happen all too often.
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« Reply #599 on: 04-14-2006 00:52 »

Ralph Snart_  Did you ever see that speical, "Wrestling Moves Revealed"?  It was a special that showed just hoe fake pro wrestling is fake.  It had real pro wrestlers, hiding their identities, to show just how fake moves are, and it featured the narration of Nick Bakay.
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