WWE- Where it all begins again

[Reply #480 on:]

A) I believe Stevie Richards was fired in one of the WWF's massive lay-offs a few months ago. Most of the WCW/ECW alumni have gradually shifted down the priority scale for the last few years. I haven't cared much for watching wrestling in the last few years or so, but I still keep up with some of the news. I believe Richards is gone.

B) I always heard that the "Diva" who had her bag taken a dump in was Sable, and that was the original cause of her leaving the company. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that incident would predate Randy Orton.

C)I feel sad for Mick after constantly coming back after his retirement. Perhaps there are better people to tell this than me, but wrestling is in certain people's blood and it'll never leave. No matter how much bad blood a person can have with Vince McMahon, they'll still come back if Vince thinks they can make money. Foley, Rock, Hogan (who did team with Edge), Flair, Michaels, even Bret Hart have all come back to the WWF after very ugly break-ups with the company.

[Reply #481 on:]

 

Originally posted by evan:

B) I always heard that the "Diva" who had her bag taken a dump in was Sable, and that was the original cause of her leaving the company. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that incident would predate Randy Orton.

WWE wrestlers have a sick idea of what poop is used for.  It was Mark Henry who put crap in Sable's gymbag (at one time it was though to have been Luna Vachon, who had real life heat with Sable).

Also, Sunny was rumored to have been having an affair with Bret Hart and was supporting him during the real life heat between him and Shawn Michaels.  This burned Michaels up (since he had been with Sunny when she first came to the WWF), so one night he sent a plate of hot, steaming crap to her room via room service.

Like I said, unusual ideas of what to do with crap...

[Reply #482 on:]

The Rock thinks you're supposed to Rock Bottom people into it. Poor British Bulldog.

@Evan: Well, he's still listed on the Smackdown! roster at WWE.com and that's always kept up to date. He's just one of those guys that's fun to watch whom isn't absolutly physically huge and doesn't do quintuple backflips, so he's never on TV anymore. He'll never get ahead in the WWE.

Maybe the BWO will have a match at One Night Stand this year.

At least Norman Smiley popped up in TNA this week. He was always pretty fun to watch, and a half decent chain wrestler to boot.

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I saw a bit of wrestling the other day. First there were a couple of skanky-looking chicks having the most poorly faked fight I've ever seen and then faux bitchfighting after the bout. Next came some bloke in a camouflage hat talking badly scripted shit with some hilariously bearded guy in preparation for a fight (which I didn't actually see). What was it, and if it's the same stuff you guys discuss then how the fuck do you find it entertaining? I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief, but even if one were to somehow achieve that I really fail to see the point.

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No, none of us enjoy that. Why do you think all anyone has been doing for the last 10 posts has been complaining, or ripping on many of the current top wrestlers?

And plus, you know, it really isn't fair to pass judgement on wrestling as a whole until you've watched at least a 3 star match(IE: Not some shitty Divas match, or little poochie interview).

So anyway, what does everyone think of TNA?

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I wish that there were achives of some of the matches from the late 70's and early 80's from Florida, Georgia, the Mid-Atlantic and Mid-South.  You haven't lived until you've seen a Flair vs. Steamboat, Flair vs. Mulligan, Andersons vs. Wrestling I and II, Biscos vs. Funks, Freebirds vs. von Erichs.

These guys were so good on the mic and in the ring you thought they were really killing each other.

Buzz Sawyer, Matt Borne and I were in a match against The Freebirds in Georgia that got so out of control that the city police, Sheriff's Department and Highway Patrol had to do crowd control - I thought for sure that some of us were going to be killed by the crowd.  That wouldn't happen today, because people would be fighting narcolepsy from the HHH 20 minute borefest telling everybody how he's 'The Game!', a couple of less-than-five-minute matches with Val Venus being squashed and fighting nausea while Vince shows everybody his old, wrinkeld ass.

TNA won't grow until Jeff Jarrett quits trying to be HHH - he needs to get out of the main event, keep the belt off himself and not book his buddies to be on top.  AS strange as it sounds, he should bring Ole Anderson in to be a booker and trainer.  Ole may be an old, bitter bastard, but there is nobody who can book better than him when he doesn't have an axe to grind.

[Reply #486 on:]

I should read this thread more with Ralph posting in it.  I've not watched wrestling for a good while too, but I still pick up a couple of DVDs (I've got all 21 Wrestlemanias)...

Anyhoo, it's fairly apparent to anyone who saw "Wrestling With Shadows" that there was something going on between Bret and Sunny.

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Originally posted by newhook_1:
The Rock thinks you're supposed to Rock Bottom people into it. Poor British Bulldog.

Not to mention poor Mick Foley having to shovel it up.

But as bad as that was, it was nothing compared to the time that Eddie Guerrero spraid The Big Show with a truck filled with feces. It probably wasn't real, but it still looked nasty.

 

Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
I wish that there were achives of some of the matches from the late 70's and early 80's from Florida, Georgia, the Mid-Atlantic and Mid-South.  You haven't lived until you've seen a Flair vs. Steamboat, Flair vs. Mulligan, Andersons vs. Wrestling I and II, Biscos vs. Funks, Freebirds vs. von Erichs.

That would be great if that was available. I love to watch wrestling from the past. I saw some stuff that was on PPV a couple years back that was hosted by Dusty Roades.

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I got an e-mail last night from Blackjack Mulligan - The Blackjacks (Mulligan and Lanza) are going to be inducted into the WWE Hall Of Fame this year.  They will be inducted by Bobby Heenan if his health is good enough for him to attend (The Brain is undergoing chemo for his throat cancer).

(An update - Blackjack Mulligan may not make it to the HOF awards.  I won't go into deail, but he has had some major health problems over the past couple of years and the bumps he took in the ring has ruined his back, so even though he's being inducted, he's waiting  before he says if he's going to attend.)

I'm glad to see this.  Gene Okerland is getting inducted by Hogan (Mean Gene isn't long for the world - he's now on dialysis and isn't doing well - health-wise). 

Lanza and I had a few battles in Georgia.  He started wrestling in 1963 and I was born in 1960, but despite our age difference he always worked with me to make the matches watchable - he was an underappreciated worker.  He was one of the few drug-free guys in the business.  I was in a few squash matches with Mulligan in the Mid-Atlantic when I was first starting out.  Mully was a hell of a guy but there were times he didn't realize how how he was hitting you.  He gave me a few potatoes, but he always appologized afterwards.  He was a guy that you couldn't stay mad at (well, Ole could, but Ole hates everybody.)

 

Originally posted by evan:

C)I feel sad for Mick after constantly coming back after his retirement. Perhaps there are better people to tell this than me, but wrestling is in certain people's blood and it'll never leave. No matter how much bad blood a person can have with Vince McMahon, they'll still come back if Vince thinks they can make money. Foley, Rock, Hogan (who did team with Edge), Flair, Michaels, even Bret Hart have all come back to the WWF after very ugly break-ups with the company.

Foley never did have a bad breakup with Vince.  He just took so many bumps until he had to retire because his body couldn't take it anymore.  Besides, he needs the WWE to shill his books that nobody reads...

Rock is staying away - he may come back at a later date but he's using the name 'Duane Johnson' in Hollywood to keep from giving Vince a share in profits by using 'The Rock'.

Flair left on good terms back in the 90's.  Vince wanted to make him a JTTS (jobber to the stars) but Flair wanted to go back to WCW - his home is in Charlotte, NC and all his professional friends were there.  Vince left the door open for Flair.  Way back in 1996 I had an AOL chat with Vince and he said that Flair was welcomed back at any time.

Hogan, as much as I hate his no-selling style, has perhaps one of the best minds in the business.  He has never let Vince screw him over on a payday - it's a symbiotic relationship between the two.  They need each other.  Both have huge egos.  Vince believes that he created Hulk Hogan and Hogan believes that there would have been no WWF without him. 

Bret Hart is not coming back for money.  He wants to say goodbye to his fans and close his career on a positive note.  He's not being paid; only his travel expenses are being picked up by the WWE.  I wrestled Bret in Georgia when he was getting started (Ole fired him when he no-showed an event after being injured - gotta love Ole).  Even back then when he and I were curtain-jerking you could tell that the business was in his blood.  Bret has made a career out of Montreal; it was sad to see have to retire because of the kick to the head that Goldberg gave him, but when he had his stroke a little part of me died that day.  Bret's one of the few in the business that I respect (I have none for Shawn Michaels, or Kevein Nash, or Scott Hall, or Sean Waltman, and especially none for HHH).

But if Vince thinks that he can make money with someone, he's willing to put bitter feelings aside - for a while.  When the profit angle disappears, so does the goodwill.  Vince is a petty, vindictive, power-hungry man.  You would rather do business with an Al Quada terrorist than Vince - at least you know what the terrorist has in mind.

After the way Vince treated him, I'll lose all respect for Jim Ross if he comes back.  There was a time when JR was the epitome of decency (back in the Bill Watts Mid-South days).  If JR said something, it meant something.  For Vince to have sent JR off the way he did, it shows that Vince has no heart or soul.

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Originally posted by newhook_1:
No, none of us enjoy that. Why do you think all anyone has been doing for the last 10 posts has been complaining, or ripping on many of the current top wrestlers?

And plus, you know, it really isn't fair to pass judgement on wrestling as a whole until you've watched at least a 3 star match(IE: Not some shitty Divas match, or little poochie interview).

So anyway, what does everyone think of TNA?

Well I don't really see where I showed any pretence of being an authority on the subject. I wasn't attempting to 'pass judgement on wrestling as a whole' and I'm not quite sure why you assumed that. My personal opinion towards pro wrestling is certainly a negative one, but I'm the first to admit that it's by no means a well-researched position.

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Originally posted by zoidyzoid:
 Well I don't really see where I showed any pretence of being an authority on the subject. I wasn't attempting to 'pass judgement on wrestling as a whole' and I'm not quite sure why you assumed that. My personal opinion towards pro wrestling is certainly a negative one, but I'm the first to admit that it's by no means a well-researched opinion.

I don't claim to be any type of authority on the current product - I retired from the ring over 20 years ago, but you have your opinion like I have mine, and Newhook has his, and Evan and Melllvar have theirs.

Im my day, the performer was responsible for his/her own gimmick.  Some worked, some didn't.  Almost anything from Memphis that Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler did was crap because they did campy stuff (they had Adam West - the 1960's Batman - come to Memphis to feud with Jerry Lawler fer Christ's sakes!)  The great thing about the territories was if a gimmick didn't get over in one place, you could move to another territory and re-invent yourself.  Dusty Rhodes started out as a heel tag partner with Dick Murdoch before stiking gold as 'The American Dream' Dusty Rhodes; Blackjack Mulligan started out as a face 'Big Bob Windham'; Hulk Hogan started out as Terry Boulder and Sterling Golden.

Now, the performers don't make their gimmicks, Vince has a staff of failed soap-opera writers who come up with lame-assed gimmicks like 'Eugene the Retard' or 'Trevor Murdoch, the gay cowboy'.  Both Nick Dinsmore and Trevor Murdoch have great skill, but aren't allowed to show it in Vince's micro-managed world.  20 - 25 years ago, both these guys would have been high mid-card or main eventers in any of the territories (except WCCW, where Fritz kept his boys on top until they all died).

I hate the current product - theer is no crowd interaction today.  Back in my day, the booker would say, "Frank, you're going over Tommy; make the match 20 minutes."  That was the only instruction we got.  We would have to 'read' the crowd, not let them get bored but not get so much heat going that they would riot (The Freebirds wre nortorious for letting this happen - Hayes lived off the energy of agitating the crowds).

Today, everything is scripted, from the match to the promos to the gimmicks.  When you have 4 or 5 people doing all the scripting, pretty soon they run out of ideas and everything looks the same.  Like Mick Foley - when he comes back for a 'final match', usually when he needs to shill a book, he always loses.  Everybody knows that he'll lose.  A Mick Foley match means nothing.  Any HHH match will have Crips come out on top, even if he loses.  Crips is now in 'jobaphobe' mode - he won't job to anybody.  Vince is so full of himself that he takes up 30 minutes of a show to show off his ass or pat himself on the back.

The product is extremely stale; Vince needs to do something other than firing the talent, like pulling Crips and the undertaker off the roster, getting rid of 'Creative' and quit trying to impress people in Hollywood. Start listening to the crowds and give them what they want, not what he wants.

As for TNA, Jerry Jarrett pretty well has lost power; Jeff Jarrett and Dixie Carter are running the show.  JJ needs to pull himself out of the main events and let newer blood like Christian, Rhino and other run the main event.  Get some of the old school bookers like Bill Watts, Ole Anderson and Sandy Scott to get the best out of their talent.

That is my opinion, your milage may vary.

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Well I don't know if I understood half of what you just said, but I reckon I can safely say that you certainly are an authority on the subject. I've got no real response, but your comments make interesting reading 

[Reply #492 on:]

Why pull Undertaker off? he may be old but I still think he puts on a decent match.
I'd prefer to see guys like Cena, Henry, Masters go as I haven't seen a decent match from any of them.
The product has gotten pretty stale alright, that whole "Kiss my ass club" was the gayest thing since HHH and Scott Steiner started posing in the ring for each other.

Anyhoo who won between Adam West and Lawler?
Also is it true that 123Kid(Sean Waltman) got beat up in real life by Chyna? lol if he did thats friggin hilarious.

[Reply #493 on:]

 

Originally posted by iliketowankalot:

Why pull Undertaker off? he may be old but I still think he puts on a decent match.

(My opinion) UT is getting close to retirement - it's time that he starts selling some for the next group of main eventers.  If he's going to be as jobaphobic as HHH, then he needs to be let go.  As long as he's not putting Randy Orton over, he should be putting someone over.

 

I'd prefer to see guys like Cena, Henry, Masters go as I haven't seen a decent match from any of them.

Masters is a one-trick pony - a great body and nothing else, Cena's 'whigger' act is stale and he sucks, Mark Henry will be gone after this year (Vince signed him to a 10 year, $15 million contract.  WWE has tried their best to humiliate Henry into leaving, but 1.5 million a year, I'd date Mae Young too).


 

The product has gotten pretty stale alright, that whole "Kiss my ass club" was the gayest thing since HHH and Scott Steiner started posing in the ring for each other.

Vince's ass isn't 'gay', it's 'disturbing', and I was trying to forget the Big Sump Pump and Cripple H posedowns...

 

Anyhoo who won between Adam West and Lawler?

The segment was on youtube.com last week, but it's not there now.  The ultimate in camp.  The 'match' consisted of Adam West (dressed in a generic Batman costume) running rings in the ring for about 30 seconds before running out of breath, Jerry Lawler doing a schoolboy roll and getting the pin.  Adam West must've been really hard up for money to do that...

 

Also is it true that 123Kid(Sean Waltman) got beat up in real life by Chyna? lol if he did thats friggin hilarious.

Very few people get such a viseral reaction of disgust from me as Sean Waltman.  When he started, he was a talented, quick cruiser weight.  Then he started with drugs, got sloppy, and took HHH's sloppy seconds - Chyna.  Joanie Lauer - now that's a totally fucked-up person (Howard Stern even offered to pay for her rehab just a few months ago).  They deserve each other; Waltman left his wife and kid for Chyna; she legit kicked his ass several times.  He posted it on the 'net from a computer he rented by the hour from a Kinkos, all the time whining about how much he loved her.  You need to read her book - it's littered with anmes of people who she hates (her dad, her mom, God, the fans, anybody with a pulse, etc.)

Go to www.wrestlecrap.com  for the best in crap in wrestling.  R.D. Reynolds runs some of the 'Sean Waltman Files' occasionally.

Hey Wanky, Click on this link to get a glimpse into the hell that was Chyna/X-Pac's love life.
 http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2005/articles/1105766515.php

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I'm curious, Ralph. What is your opinion of Jeff Jarrett as a performer on the whole?
Personally, I've always found him entertaining, he was one of the only reasons I watched WCW in 2000, but I agree that he needs to be taken out of the spotlight before he develops a Triple H syndrome.
Also, I was wondering your opinion on AJ Styles. It seems everyone loves him, but I can't stand the guy. IMO, he just sort of does dozens of random moves with little in-ring psycology. There a few guys in TNA that everyone loves that I don't like that. I can only be entertained by a super loop de loop backflip so many times before it gets old.
It's not that I haven't developed my own opinion on these guys, of course. It's just cool to hear what an actual wrestler thinks of them. 

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Jeff Jarrett has the skills, the look and the ability.  He deserves to be in the main event - just not all the time.  He just isn't what I consider NWA World Champion material - my opinion.

AJ Styles has got the ring psychology down, but there's something missing that would make him a great wrestler.  His timing doesn't seem to be the best and he doesn't seem to have a 'game plan' when he wrestles.

I'm not a big fan of a lot of aerial moves - it raises the bar of 'Holy Shit!' spots and ends up reducing the wrestler's  productive lifespan.  Also, how do you 'suspend disbelief' when somebody has to wait 2 minutes to get in the right position to do a planka or twist of fate?  Hell, I don't even like the 'Frankenstiener' or 'Superplex' because of the injuries these moves cause.  Look at Jeff Hardy - his back is toast because of those stupid TLC matches that the Hardy's had with Edge and Christian.  Steve Austin is practically a cripple because of a botched piledriver.  I have chronic neck problems because of a Jake Robert's DDT.  For a 'fake' sport, wrestling has a lot of injuries.

I retired from the ring over 2 decades ago and my contacts are getting fewer - I have no contacts with the current crop.  I stay in e-mail contact with Blackjack Mulligan, Rich Landrum, David Crockett, Ole Anderson and talk to Moolah 2-3 times a year via phone.  Too many of my friends have died way too young - I'm glad to have gotten out of the business when I did. 

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
After the way Vince treated him, I'll lose all respect for Jim Ross if he comes back.  There was a time when JR was the epitome of decency (back in the Bill Watts Mid-South days).  If JR said something, it meant something.  For Vince to have sent JR off the way he did, it shows that Vince has no heart or soul.

Yeah, I was really pissed off that they had JR retire like that. I thought he was going to come back after his surgery, and possibly leave on a better note than holding his balls while walking up the ramp. And that stupid parady video with Vince doing his colon surgery, that was stupid the first time when the Huricane did it to HHH.

I used to like Vince, I thought he was entertaining to watch, but now I really hate his guts. And you're 100% right, Vince McMahon is a heartless bastard.

JR's been in the business longer than I've been alive, he deserves better than that.
 

Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
I retired from the ring over 2 decades ago and my contacts are getting fewer - I have no contacts with the current crop. I stay in e-mail contact with Blackjack Mulligan, Rich Landrum, David Crockett, Ole Anderson and talk to Moolah 2-3 times a year via phone. Too many of my friends have died way too young - I'm glad to have gotten out of the business when I did.

So are we.

I think that wrestling fans are two years away from calling for death in the ring. They already call for blood.

I find aerials moves and hardcore matches entertaining, but not when so many people are dying because of them. I read Jerry Lawler's book, and I was disguisted when he said that a fan did the "throat cut" think that Undertaker does when Owen Hart died.

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Originally posted by Roy Bluth:
   
I find aerials moves and hardcore matches entertaining, but not when so many people are dying because of them. I read Jerry Lawler's book, and I was disguisted when he said that a fan did the "throat cut" think that Undertaker does when Owen Hart died.

I haven't read Lawler's bood.  I've read Mick Foley's first two books, Flair's book, Piper's, Chyna's, Hoolah's and Ole Anderson's.  Ole's is the most comprehensive of how the business ran back in the old days.  Ole gives detailed accounts on how ruthless Vince McMahon was in trying to destroy Georgia Championship Wrestling.

Most wrestling fans have always been lowest common denominator type people; Jack Brisco told me the story of when he was the NWA Champion that he was suppose to defend the title against Buddy Colt.  Colt was killed in a plane crash earlier that day.  When that was announced at the venue, the fans started cheering.  Jack said that he was ashamed to be a wrestler that night.

Ole Anderson's book is by far the best of the one's that I've read - it's not as personable as Mick Foley's, but it gives an insight to the business and how Corporate America Destroyed Pro-Wrestling.

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I didn't know he had a book, I'll definitely check it out.

I remember when Vince announced that HHH tore his quad, everyone cheered, then when he returned, he got the biggest ovation ever (that I know of anyway), what do think that was about? Was it that everyone thought it wasn't serious? I know you hate HHH, what was your thoughts when you heard that he was injured?

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Drop me an email and I'll be glad to answer any questions and not clog up the board.

HHH has a certain amount of hate because he's known as a political player; he has a high level of skill, but he really doesn't deserve the slot that he has carved out for himself.  He is there because of connections, and fans know that.  That's the reason taht Eric Watts and Dustin Rhodes got so much hate-heat; they had their push because their daddy's were the bookers.

The product is so stale that I look forward to Denture Boy Ric Flair's matches - he may be ancient and so slow that you can time him with a calendar, but he can still give an entertaining match.

Ole's book is named 'Inside Out'.

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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
Most wrestling fans have always been lowest common denominator type people; Jack Brisco told me the story of when he was the NWA Champion that he was suppose to defend the title against Buddy Colt.  Colt was killed in a plane crash earlier that day.  When that was announced at the venue, the fans started cheering.  Jack said that he was ashamed to be a wrestler that night.

I think there's a book in you, Ralph.

But what makes us different from the other wrestling fans, the marks.  I used to enjoy having a good mark-out when me and my mate J watched a lot of wrestling, but it's different now, I never bayed for blood.  That's kinda sad, I do miss the old gimmicks, and kinda hate the fact that a lot of the TV matches ended craply.

When HHH came back from that injury it was seen as him overcoming the odds to beat the injury so it was seen as a face turn, however, they swerved quickly on that one.

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what does anyone think of Lita and her return to wrestling her match against maria was a little sad. lita should be facing trish for the title not diddling around with substandard wrestlers.

I think that lita should leave Edge and get back to what she does best - kick the other divas butts.
 
I hate John Cena and would like to see HHH kick his over inflated ass all over Wrestlmania 22.

Lashly deserves a huge push to main event status in the money in the bank match ( although personally I think you can't top the way they played Edges win last year) instead of messing with old giffer Finlay.

Is Stacy Keibler still in the wwe?

when will Kane get the respect he deserves on raw instead of being fodder for HHH and Carlito & Masters (who should be kicking each others ass not working together)

I hate Trish Status shes had her title for over a year and all shes done to keep it is to push up her breasts and get her ass kissed by Mickey.Trish v Lita at WM2 (trish to lose!)

Get rid of that over cooked saggy chicken Ric Flair his comedy falls are pathetic to watch and when ever he has to bleed his blood runs like water he should be on medication for that, cos he isn't on any to improve his wrestling.

I think that Lita and Randy Orton would make a great heel couple.

speaking of smackdown superstars what is up with Rey Mesterio going to Wrestlemania, If the object is to send those who have been cheated then the the match at WM22 should be a fatal four way, Randy, Rey, Angle & Taker. 

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I'm actually quite fond of Carlito. They slapped a poor man's Razor Roman gimmick on him, and he ran with it and really turned into something really... cool. He's one of the few reasons I watch RAW now, and while I'm not a very big fan of Masters, I'd love to see he and Masters get the tag straps from Kane and The Big Show. I do wish they continued the angle where Carlito kept suckering Masters into a truce and then kept stabbing him in the back, but they seem to have dropped it.

I also disagree with your comment about Flair. The man isn't what he used to be, but he can still go. He took bigger bumps than many half his age take in his ladder match against Edge a few weeks ago. He IS just a shadow of his former self, but he was so good back in the day(IMO) that said shadow is still fun to watch.

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Chris Masters should be getting the title shot instead of HHH.  Master should be next in line for the title. He sort of reminds me of a young British Bulldog.

I like how Smackdown does their title shot opportunities.  Kurt Angle is defended the titla against a wide variety of superstars in the last two months.  Undertaker, Marc Henry and he'll be going up against Rey and Orton.  When was the last time HHH did that.  John Cena, I have nothing against as champion, I wish he was facing someone different for a change.  The last three pay per views he did in 2005 involved Kurt Angle.  He fought a little with Edge and now is dealing with HHH.  Of course, he hasn't faced HHH before, but someimes I feel HHH won't be happy until he beats ever person on the roster just to brag.  It's a good thing Batista beat him three times straight.

Matt Hardy should be gunning for the title in money in the bags.  It is a shame he has been screwed ever since the whole Edge/Lita thing.  Chris Benoit should also be a contender for money in the bags.  The WWE acts as though he never won the world title back in 2004.

Ric Flair- I have nothing against the man.  He has accomplished a lot it is whole career, but he is much like Hogan or HHH.  He doesn't want to give up that torch.  Him in the money in the bag match is an insult to many other younger, more deserving guys who never got a push.

Trish needs to retire the women's title.  Honestly, I picture the women's title as a novelty title like the hardcore title was.  Trish has had that title for a year and the WWE fired many woemn wrestlers like Molly, Jazz, or Gail Kim.  The WWE divas are more about show than go in the match.  WWE fired all the juniors, some people thought the juniors were just a short lived novelty act.  Unless the WWE hires more female wrestlers, the women's title holds no meaning, which is a shame.

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Well, I only caught the last hour of RAW.  It seems that I missed the best part - the 'O' for 'Overated' segment done on Mick Foley.

How low can the WWE go? Let's see, they've had sex with Katie Vick's corpse, Mama Benjamin (how much more racist can you get?  Have her eating a bucket of KFC and drinking a bottle of MD 20/20?)
Randy Orton and his feces fetish?

Now they have golden showers on RAW?  Shawn Michaels throwing urine on the McMahons?

Jeeze, why do I bother?

@FFSO:

Flair is a glorifed Jobber to the stars - not in Hogan's league at all.  Hogan won't job to anybody; Flair will job to elevate other talent.

As for Masters - he has the charisma of a stale peice of lettuce.  Much like Randal Boreton, the only thing that he has going for him is his body. Nothing else.

Now I would like to see Carlito get a better push.  I'd love for a heel vs. heel match between Carlito and HHH, with HHH jobbing to Carlito. 

That would be... cool.

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Look who's in this year's Money in the Bank.
RVD, a Mama's boy, a saggy chicken, a fighting Irishman and a guy who's career hasn't been a good since he left RAW.  Hopefully he'll get a bigger push.  Whoever wins that battle royal next week better be good because this match isn't looking good right now.

Smackdown is the B show.  It feels like what WCW Thunder was to Nitro.  Chris Benoit was a world champion on RAW and now they have him at mid-card status as US champion.  I think he deserves to be in the main event more than Orton.  What is this business about Orton liking shit?  Orton likes to put pile of shit in people's bags?

Smackdown should have their own elimination chamber match.  Here's who I'd put in.

Kurt Angle
Rey Mysterio
Chris Benoit
Marc Henry
Randy Orton
Batista

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I got Chris Benoits DVD, it's pretty damn good, and it means that I finally got to see that Pillman Show match with William Regal.

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Great Sports Illustrated interview with Bret Hart.
 http://tinyurl.com/pgwbw

I wrestled him a few times in Georgia when he was getting started.  He had the air about himself that he'd be great one day. 

He's in the league with Race, Flair and Bockwinkle as being a great wrestler IMHO.

Don't even mention Hogan's name to me!

[Reply #508 on:]

There are stil good wrestlers edge triple h the big show chris master etc  I  still cant believe muhumad hassan got fired he had a good gimmick

[Reply #509 on:]

HHH is at best a mid-card wrestler who married his way to the top.

Chris Masters can make drying paint seem interesting in comparison.

Carlito and Shelton (without Mama Benjamin) are interesting and would probably be higher on the cards if they were bigger.

Vince LOVES big hosses - smaller wrestlers don't get much of a chance.

Hassan got paid big bucks to leave - he had a lot of lockeroom heat, and he wanted to move to Hollywood to make movies - he's still waiting for his agent to call.

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Oh Damn You know alot.Is it just me or am i the only one who doesnt like the undertaker.Kurt Angle is pretty good right.

[Reply #511 on:]

UT is like majorly over-rated and long past his prime.

Kurt Angle is THE BEST thing that the WWE has today, but he's wrestling injured - if he lasts another year I'll be amazed.

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Carlito is better then cena he should be champ I just hate cena the only reason hes champ is because people buy his stuff even chris jericho makes a better champ than him i personally didnt want him to get his title back from edge

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^EVEN Chris Jericho? Are you implying that Chris Jericho isn't as good as anyone except Cena?

[Reply #514 on:]

 

Originally posted by Eyedol7513:
^EVEN Chris Jericho? Are you implying that Chris Jericho isn't as good as anyone except Cena?

no but they angle the camera to make him taller atleast thats what my dad says i have no problem with him i want him to beet Cena but out of angle jericho and edge jericho isnt as good as those 2.Thats what i meant

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Jericho was the second-best - next to Angle - but he ran afoul the HHH effect:  Hold anybody down and bury them.  Crips has buried Booker T, RVD and Jericho so thoroughly until they can't be considered 'viable' candidates as the main event.

Cena's burial will take place next Sunday. 

At least Jericho has moved on to better things...

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Personally, Y2J was my favourite wrestler in the WWE throughout his last few years there. I like Angle, but I tend to like Jericho's in ring style a little more. He's integrated cruiserweight and heavyweight styles quite well, in my opinion.

I have no idea why so many people are so high on Masters. Sure, he's been in a couple of funny bits, like when he couldn't physically put the Masterlock on Big Show, and he looks impressive, but he's SO FUCKING SLOW. It's like watching Gort from "The Day the Earth Stood Still" wrestle. Good god.

By the way, WWE.com has Bret Hart vs. Steve Austin from WM 13 up right now, my personal favourite match of all time by the way, if you've never seen it, go watch it right now. It's under Velocity.

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WWE is planning on bringing both Test and Shannon Moore back.  I just hope they get bigger pushes than before.

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Sorry, FFSoR, but they're not gonna. It's well-known that Vince only likes big, muscular guys. Moore's doomed to jobbing on Velocity. Test may get one or two attempts at a push for the IC title, but I doubt anything's going to come of it.

Actually, you can add Test to the list of wrestlers whom HHH has destroyed. After the original Test/HHH/Stephanie storyline, Test could have broken out as a decent-sized star. But he never got a shot, even a rematch against HHH for stealing his "wife."

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Vince is in 'Fuck You' mode against TNA.  He's signing the names so that TNA can't have them.

Vince is a ruthless bastard who takes pride in running rival promotions out of business.  Back in the 80's when Vince was raiding talent from other regions, he would either pay a bonus or place it in the contracts of his wrestlers that they weren't to give notice to their employers and no-show major events.  Junkyard Dog and Koko B. Ware were two examples of this dispicable practice.

People who work for the WWE praise Vince as long as they work for him - they know his fragile ego will have them fired if they don't contuinuosuly kiss his ass, but when they leave, they paint the picture of a true vain, small, selfish, self-centered man.

Triple H married well, because STephanie is a female version of Vince, except she doesn't have the insight and foresight that Vince does.