fryfanSpyOrama
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« on: 10-01-2004 17:12 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2004 00:00 »
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This is the new WWE thread, since the previous thread is almost full. So, I ask all moderators to please close the previous thread. http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/14-000980-1/ Now let me start the first topic of this thread: I don't like Flair, but I do agree with what he said about Mick Foley. He was nothing more than a stuntman. Sure Foley is a champion, and he is a Master of Hardcore, but does that really make him a legend of wrestling? I've seen Mick fall off a steel cage twice, hit with chairs and had thump tacks and barb wire wrapped around him. He's basically hurt himself for our amusement, much like a stuntman.
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Nasty Pasty
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Well Foley did some crazy stuff and we all worship him for it.
Nuff said.
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Guineapig Trick
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Foley was more than a stuntman. He isn't just a legend, he is the legend. He did crazy things throughout his life, but in my mind atleast, the rock 'n sock thing him and the rock did was the best team ever 'nuff said. Dude love forever.
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Nasty Pasty
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I'm just glad that overrated cripple was fired.
His entire career was just for shock-value. Just like Eugene.
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Nasty Pasty
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And the fact that Euegene is relatively talented is a bonus too.
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Coop
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I loved No Mercy. I think it was one of the best hyped PPVs of the year.
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Nasty Pasty
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I make it a point not to watch SD! PPVs anymore. I really could care less about that crappy aborted brand.
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fryfanSpyOrama
Urban Legend
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« Reply #25 on: 10-07-2004 00:48 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 00:48 »
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Originally posted by newhook_1:Let me tell you a story about a PPV WCW had way back when called "Lethal Lottery". The story went that WCW's next ppv would feature a tournament of randomly drawn tag teams. This would have been a fantastic idea, great for drama and starting new feuds, had the drawing not actually been random outside the storyline. You heard me, the matchs weren't just picked at random in the storyline, they were actually picked at random in a back office in real life and booked on the fly. Needless to say, the PPV sucked, because many guys who ened up working with eachother, had hardly ever spoken before(Wcw had a huge roster). It was a complete mess.
I saw that pay-per-view, and the reason why it didn't work, was because most of the matches ended in DQs, countdowns and fast pinfalls. I thought "Lethal Lottery" was a good idea, but it just was done right. If the WWE were to do this, I'd support it. Whatever happens I'd pass judgment at the end of the end. Also, I thought WWE was going to bring back Halloween Havoc?
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Melllvar
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I'd agree with that.
Even if they'd called the PPV "Scraping The Barrel" it would have been better.
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newhook_1
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« Reply #30 on: 10-07-2004 11:24 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 11:24 »
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama: I saw that pay-per-view, and the reason why it didn't work, was because most of the matches ended in DQs, countdowns and fast pinfalls. I thought "Lethal Lottery" was a good idea, but it just was done right. If the WWE were to do this, I'd support it. Whatever happens I'd pass judgment at the end of the end. Did you read what I said at all? I know it was a good idea, it didn't work because the tag-teams were actually drawn at random during the show. I wasn't a gimmick, there really was a guy backstage pulling names out of a hat to make the matches. The randomness of the show was actually real. I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that. If a match ends in a DQ, fast pinfall or count out, it can still be a fantastic match, that has nothing at all to do with the PPV itself, that's just the Southern style booking that WCW was using at the time. If you watch wrestling for the flashy finishers and the high risk moves, you're watching it for the wrong reasons. Those are supposed to be more like a bonus. The PPV sucked because the quality of the actual wrestling was shit, the guys had no time to talk about what they were going to do in the match before hand. It was all improv. Here's what I'm saying about Taboo Tuesday. What if Y2J ends up defending his title against someone he's never worked with before? The match quality would suffer, because the guys wouldn't be used to eachother's respective styles. It may still be an ok match, I might even turn out to be a good match, but it'd be a miricle if it turned out to be a classic (assuming the voting isn't rigged).
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fryfanSpyOrama
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« Reply #31 on: 10-07-2004 20:41 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 20:41 »
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Originally posted by newhook_1: Did you read what I said at all? I know it was a good idea, it didn't work because the tag-teams were actually drawn at random during the show. I wasn't a gimmick, there really was a guy backstage pulling names out of a hat to make the matches. The randomness of the show was actually real. I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that. If a match ends in a DQ, fast pinfall or count out, it can still be a fantastic match, that has nothing at all to do with the PPV itself, that's just the Southern style booking that WCW was using at the time. If you watch wrestling for the flashy finishers and the high risk moves, you're watching it for the wrong reasons. Those are supposed to be more like a bonus. The PPV sucked because the quality of the actual wrestling was shit, the guys had no time to talk about what they were going to do in the match before hand. It was all improv.
Here's what I'm saying about Taboo Tuesday. What if Y2J ends up defending his title against someone he's never worked with before? The match quality would suffer, because the guys wouldn't be used to eachother's respective styles. It may still be an ok match, I might even turn out to be a good match, but it'd be a miricle if it turned out to be a classic (assuming the voting isn't rigged).
I know what you said, and I'm saying, I supported the idea of having wrestlers wrestle against different superstars. Edge put it best this past Monday when he said people have seen HHH vs Benoit, and HHH vs. Michaels a million times each. That is boring. I hope it turns out to be Edge vs. HHH. I hope Jericho does face someone he hasn't faced. I remember RAW had Batista vs. Kane and that would've been a classic match, if Matt Hardy didn't ruin it. Frankly, he got what he deserved when Kane chokeslammed his ass off the ramp. Carlito Cool makes his Smackdown debut, any thoughts?
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Nasty Pasty
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Pretty good. I think that he deserved that title win to give his career a jumpstart. I see good things in that kid's future.
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newhook_1
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« Reply #33 on: 10-08-2004 16:15 »
« Last Edit on: 10-08-2004 16:15 »
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama: I know what you said, and I'm saying, I supported the idea of having wrestlers wrestle against different superstars. Edge put it best this past Monday when he said people have seen HHH vs Benoit, and HHH vs. Michaels a million times each. That is boring. I hope it turns out to be Edge vs. HHH. I hope Jericho does face someone he hasn't faced.
Once again, I think you're really missing the big issue (no offense). There's nothing wrong with wrestlers facing new opponents, the problem comes when the wrestlers don't have time to plan the spots they are going to do in the match. If voting goes right up until a few minutes before the match, the wretlers will have to improvise the whole match which results in alot of punches, chops, and rest holds. Sorry if my post was misleading, but a PPV is not a good place for a first encounter, especially in the format with which Taboo Tuesday is presented. I'm worried about Y2J's match the most, because there are about 7 or 8 guys who have a chance of winning the ballot.
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Nasty Pasty
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Hmmm, I gotta go with Batista. I'd love to see him as the IC Champ.
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Nasty Pasty
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Meh, I like him just as he is, in a tagteam with Tajiri.
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