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fryfanSpyOrama

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« on: 10-01-2004 17:12 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2004 00:00 »

This is the new WWE thread, since the previous thread is almost full.

So, I ask all moderators to please close the previous thread.
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Now let me start the first topic of this thread:

I don't like Flair, but I do agree with what he said about Mick Foley.  He was nothing more than a stuntman.  Sure Foley is a champion, and he is a Master of Hardcore, but does that really make him a legend of wrestling?  I've seen Mick fall off a steel cage twice, hit with chairs and had thump tacks and barb wire wrapped around him.  He's basically hurt himself for our amusement, much like a stuntman.
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« Reply #1 on: 10-01-2004 17:53 »

Well Foley did some crazy stuff and we all worship him for it.

Nuff said.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #2 on: 10-01-2004 18:01 »

You got a point there.  The things he did as Cactus Jack are memorable.  However, when Flair referred to Foley as a stuntman, I was appalled at first.  However, I noticed all the things Foley did, and they are no different then for someone like Jackie Chan or Evil Kenvil.  Hence, I respect Foley much like how I respect Jackie Chan and Evil Kenvil.
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« Reply #3 on: 10-01-2004 19:41 »
« Last Edit on: 10-01-2004 19:41 »

Foley in sense is a stuntman. I think this was in one of his DVD's but it showed him doing stuff like jumping off his roof on to a pile of mattresses. These were home videos but he was willing to do crazy stuff in the WWF/E.
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« Reply #4 on: 10-02-2004 00:30 »

Foley was more than a stuntman. He isn't just a legend, he is the legend. He did crazy things throughout his life, but in my mind atleast, the rock 'n sock thing him and the rock did was the best team ever 'nuff said. Dude love forever.
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« Reply #5 on: 10-02-2004 00:54 »

Foley knew how to tell a story in the ring. Yes he did many stunts, but his phsyclogy was also very good, much like Jake "The Snake" Roberts.

Flair is awesome, but I lost respect for him when he ragged on other wrestlers just to sell more copies of his book.
 
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« Reply #6 on: 10-02-2004 03:45 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2004 03:45 »

When I made that statement of Foley being a stuntman, I meant in the way he is willing to do crazy stuff in the ring. I wasn't trying to take away from his skills in anyway.

The way Newhook put was best, he (Foley) told a story in the ring which not many wrestlers know how to do today. I still think Foley is one of the best wrestlers and entertainer the WWE ever had.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #7 on: 10-02-2004 23:44 »

Does anybody know what he said about Hogan, Piper, Bret Hart and Austin in his book?
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« Reply #8 on: 10-03-2004 00:05 »
« Last Edit on: 10-03-2004 00:05 »

I know he basically called Bret a hack, and Foley a stuntman. I haven't read the book, but those were the two that he really tore into and have gotten the most media attention.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #9 on: 10-03-2004 00:36 »

Anybody find what Brock Lensar did to Zach Gowen funny?  Breaking his only leg and throwing him down the stairs and laughing evilly.

I didn't like Zach Gowen and I laughed my ass off when that happened.
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« Reply #10 on: 10-03-2004 17:58 »

I'm just glad that overrated cripple was fired.

His entire career was just for shock-value. Just like Eugene.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #11 on: 10-04-2004 00:00 »
« Last Edit on: 10-05-2004 00:00 »

The difference between Eugene and Gowen, was that they tried to make us feel sorry for Gowen, which annoyed me.  Eugene was treated like a regular person, I feel.  That made me like Eugene as a wrestler.
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« Reply #12 on: 10-04-2004 09:26 »

And the fact that Euegene is relatively talented is a bonus too.
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« Reply #13 on: 10-04-2004 12:30 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
Anybody find what Brock Lensar did to Zach Gowen funny?  Breaking his only leg and throwing him down the stairs and laughing evilly.

  evil laugh There's your evil laugh! Anyway I thought that was pretty funny too.

I haven't followed wrestling in months now so who is this Eugene you guys are talking about.
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« Reply #14 on: 10-04-2004 16:44 »

He's a mentally retarded wrestler, though it's just an act. The story goes that he's watched wrestling all his life, and he's Eric Bishoff's sister's son. Bishoff's sister convinced him to let Eugene give wrestling a try, Eugene loved it, and Bishoff's been trying to get rid of him ever since. The guy who plays Eugene does a great job and that's what really makes it work. Unlike ol' Zachy G the gimmick is actually enteraining, as Eugene's a good wrestler, and inspiring.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #15 on: 10-04-2004 20:52 »

What did everybody think about No Mercy?
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« Reply #16 on: 10-05-2004 08:41 »

I loved No Mercy. I think it was one of the best hyped PPVs of the year.
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« Reply #17 on: 10-05-2004 09:38 »

It sucked IMO. Undertaker didn't get the win for the third year in a row.
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« Reply #18 on: 10-05-2004 14:27 »

I make it a point not to watch SD! PPVs anymore. I really could care less about that crappy aborted brand.
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« Reply #19 on: 10-05-2004 14:49 »

Let's hope Taboo Tuesday lives up to its hype.

newhook_1

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« Reply #20 on: 10-05-2004 19:31 »

Argh! I heard Taboo Tuesday won't be shown in theatres. What the hell is the deal with that? Anyone know?
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« Reply #21 on: 10-06-2004 10:16 »

Isn't it suppose to be a Tuesday PPV?

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« Reply #22 on: 10-06-2004 17:41 »

Yeah, it's a Tuesday PPV, but I don't see why they wouldn't show it in theatres because of that.
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« Reply #23 on: 10-06-2004 17:56 »
« Last Edit on: 10-06-2004 17:56 »

PPVs in Theaters?! Where the hell do you guys live?
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« Reply #24 on: 10-06-2004 19:52 »

I think they only have it in Canada, you go to the theatre pay about 13 bucks and watch the PPV there. It's pretty sweet, big screen, surround sound, and having a theatre full of people as opposed to a living room full creates a better wrestling atomsphere (chants break out, etc.).
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #25 on: 10-07-2004 00:48 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 00:48 »

 
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Originally posted by newhook_1:Let me tell you a story about a PPV WCW had way back when called "Lethal Lottery". The story went that WCW's next ppv would feature a tournament of randomly drawn tag teams. This would have been a fantastic idea, great for drama and starting new feuds, had the drawing not actually been random outside the storyline. You heard me, the matchs weren't just picked at random in the storyline, they were actually picked at random in a back office in real life and booked on the fly. Needless to say, the PPV sucked, because many guys who ened up working with eachother, had hardly ever spoken before(Wcw had a huge roster). It was a complete mess.

I saw that pay-per-view, and the reason why it didn't work, was because most of the matches ended in DQs, countdowns and fast pinfalls.  I thought "Lethal Lottery" was a good idea, but it just was done right.  If the WWE were to do this, I'd support it.  Whatever happens I'd pass judgment at the end of the end.

Also, I thought WWE was going to bring back Halloween Havoc?
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« Reply #26 on: 10-07-2004 01:31 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 01:31 »

For some reason I always liked WCW better than the WWF (now WWE for those who don't know). Because, WCW had Sting, Hogan, Macho Man, Kevin Nash, and many other great names at the time. WCW's creation of the NWO maybe the best faction of all time. But, like all things the WCW ran out of good ideas and they slowely died.
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« Reply #27 on: 10-07-2004 01:38 »

 
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Let's hope Taboo Tuesday lives up to its hype.


Taboo Tuesday?  What, is Vince McMahon going to have sex with his daughter in front of everyone?  Will HHH and Randy Orton resort to a "Cannibalism on a Pole" match?  Taboo Tuesday = worst PPV name ever.
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« Reply #28 on: 10-07-2004 01:54 »

I'd agree with that.

Even if they'd called the PPV "Scraping The Barrel" it would have been better.
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« Reply #29 on: 10-07-2004 11:16 »

I fully agree with both of you. This is the worst name for a PPV ever! I wonder what Vince is thinking now.
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« Reply #30 on: 10-07-2004 11:24 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2004 11:24 »

 
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
  I saw that pay-per-view, and the reason why it didn't work, was because most of the matches ended in DQs, countdowns and fast pinfalls.  I thought "Lethal Lottery" was a good idea, but it just was done right.  If the WWE were to do this, I'd support it.  Whatever happens I'd pass judgment at the end of the end.

Did you read what I said at all? I know it was a good idea, it didn't work because the tag-teams were actually drawn at random during the show. I wasn't a gimmick, there really was a guy backstage pulling names out of a hat to make the matches. The randomness of the show was actually real. I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that. If a match ends in a DQ, fast pinfall or count out, it can still be a fantastic match, that has nothing at all to do with the PPV itself, that's just the Southern style booking that WCW was using at the time. If you watch wrestling for the flashy finishers and the high risk moves, you're watching it for the wrong reasons. Those are supposed to be more like a bonus. The PPV sucked because the quality of the actual wrestling was shit, the guys had no time to talk about what they were going to do in the match before hand. It was all improv. 

Here's what I'm saying about Taboo Tuesday. What if Y2J ends up defending his title against someone he's never worked with before? The match quality would suffer, because the guys wouldn't be used to eachother's respective styles. It may still be an ok match, I might even turn out to be a good match, but it'd be a miricle if it turned out to be a classic (assuming the voting isn't rigged).

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« Reply #31 on: 10-07-2004 20:41 »
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  Did you read what I said at all? I know it was a good idea, it didn't work because the tag-teams were actually drawn at random during the show. I wasn't a gimmick, there really was a guy backstage pulling names out of a hat to make the matches. The randomness of the show was actually real. I don't know how to explain it any clearer than that. If a match ends in a DQ, fast pinfall or count out, it can still be a fantastic match, that has nothing at all to do with the PPV itself, that's just the Southern style booking that WCW was using at the time. If you watch wrestling for the flashy finishers and the high risk moves, you're watching it for the wrong reasons. Those are supposed to be more like a bonus. The PPV sucked because the quality of the actual wrestling was shit, the guys had no time to talk about what they were going to do in the match before hand. It was all improv. 

Here's what I'm saying about Taboo Tuesday. What if Y2J ends up defending his title against someone he's never worked with before? The match quality would suffer, because the guys wouldn't be used to eachother's respective styles. It may still be an ok match, I might even turn out to be a good match, but it'd be a miricle if it turned out to be a classic (assuming the voting isn't rigged).


I know what you said, and I'm saying, I supported the idea of having wrestlers wrestle against different superstars.  Edge put it best this past Monday when he said people have seen HHH vs Benoit, and HHH vs. Michaels a million times each.  That is boring.  I hope it turns out to be Edge vs. HHH.  I hope Jericho does face someone he hasn't faced.

I remember RAW had Batista vs. Kane and that would've been a classic match, if Matt Hardy didn't ruin it.  Frankly, he got what he deserved when Kane chokeslammed his ass off the ramp.

Carlito Cool makes his Smackdown debut, any thoughts?
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« Reply #32 on: 10-08-2004 13:37 »

Pretty good. I think that he deserved that title win to give his career a jumpstart. I see good things in that kid's future.
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« Reply #33 on: 10-08-2004 16:15 »
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama:
  I know what you said, and I'm saying, I supported the idea of having wrestlers wrestle against different superstars.  Edge put it best this past Monday when he said people have seen HHH vs Benoit, and HHH vs. Michaels a million times each.  That is boring.  I hope it turns out to be Edge vs. HHH.  I hope Jericho does face someone he hasn't faced.

Once again, I think you're really missing the big issue (no offense). There's nothing wrong with wrestlers facing new opponents, the problem comes when the wrestlers don't have time to plan the spots they are going to do in the match. If voting goes right up until a few minutes before the match, the wretlers will have to improvise the whole match which results in alot of punches, chops, and rest holds. Sorry if my post was misleading, but a PPV is not a good place for a first encounter, especially in the format with which Taboo Tuesday is presented. I'm worried about Y2J's match the most, because there are about 7 or 8 guys who have a chance of winning the ballot.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #34 on: 10-09-2004 20:26 »

I got no problem with that either.  I think most of the matches now are more improvised than they were back then.

HHH vs Benoit in that one hour ironman match.  I hardly believe that whole thing was staged.  I believe they improvised alot in that match, accept for the number of wins each wrestler had.

As for Y2J's match, who are your top choices?

here's mine

Christain
Bastista
Rhyno
Sheldon Benjamin
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« Reply #35 on: 10-09-2004 20:37 »

Hmmm, I gotta go with Batista. I'd love to see him as the IC Champ.
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« Reply #36 on: 10-10-2004 12:10 »

Rhyno would make a great IC champion.
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« Reply #37 on: 10-10-2004 13:50 »

Meh, I like him just as he is, in a tagteam with Tajiri.
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« Reply #38 on: 10-10-2004 20:30 »

They shoulda won the tag team titles by now.
fryfanSpyOrama

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« Reply #39 on: 10-12-2004 00:16 »

Who is this Simon Dean?  I see his commercials right before RAW comes back on the air.  I know this is a WWE promo, but does anybody know when Simon Dean is going to make his wrestling debut?
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