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PEE Poll: Jedi and Sith Wars.
Qui-Gon-Jin.   -0 (0%)
Young Obi-Wan.   -1 (6.3%)
Adult Obi-Wan.   -5 (31.3%)
Young Anakin.   -0 (0%)
Darth Maul.   -1 (6.3%)
Count Dooku.   -0 (0%)
Mace Winduu.   -2 (12.5%)
Younger Yoda.   -0 (0%)
Luke Skywalker.   -1 (6.3%)
Darth Vader.   -6 (37.5%)
Total Voters: 16

Nurdbot

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« on: 09-16-2004 03:08 »

Okay, so out of all the Jedi and Sith we've see in 5 of the current Star Wars movies which one do you think was the best?


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« Reply #1 on: 09-16-2004 03:16 »

Any other Jedi daring or willing to take up the double-bladed light sabre?  I think not.

Darth Maul.
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« Reply #2 on: 09-16-2004 03:20 »

Darth Vader.  Best villian ever.

Luke kicks ass in Return of the Jedi and even parts of Empire Strikes Back, but loses some points for his whiny farm boy stage.  Although I suppose everyone starts somewhere.
David A

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« Reply #3 on: 09-16-2004 03:31 »

All of the characters from the original trilogy are better than the ones from the lame prequels.  Luke is my favorite, though.

And Nurdy, shame on you for not including Mara Jade in your poll.
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« Reply #4 on: 09-16-2004 03:48 »

It's only the movies, David.  When/if they ever make SW 7, Mara Jade will be added.

It's a tossup between Obi-Wan and Vader.  While I don't care for how Obi-Wan's been written in the prequels, Alec Guiness powns.  Even Ewan McGregor's doing the best with what he's given.  But Vader...I can't look at him the same way now.  Not that I know Hayden is under the mask...:shudder:
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« Reply #5 on: 09-16-2004 04:58 »

 
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It's only the movies, David. When/if they ever make SW 7, Mara Jade will be added.

Not likely. George pretty much ignores the expanded universe.

In anycase... Vader. The big black spot of evil death (until he went all 'redemption' on me. Jerk).
David A

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« Reply #6 on: 09-16-2004 05:07 »

 
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Originally posted by evan:
It's only the movies, David.

Some would claim that she appears in Return of the Jedi, disguised as one of Jabba's dancing girls.  (Yes, I know that it wasn't intended to be her when the movie was made, but it was never intended for Greedo to shoot first either.)

 
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When/if they ever make SW 7, Mara Jade will be added.

I doubt it.

Considering how much Lucas screwed up the existing continuity with the prequels, if he ever makes any movies that take place after Return of the Jedi he'll probably just ignore all of the expanded universe stuff, despite having previously made a big deal about how everything in the comic books, novels, and role-playing games was considered official canon.
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« Reply #7 on: 09-16-2004 06:10 »

Example, 3PO was made 200 years ago and with R2 has had many adventures, but thanks to Lucas and episode 1 he's just a plot device to show Young Anakin's Skillz.

I voted Vader by the way, can't go wrong with black and red. He looks awesome in the comic books and manga as well.

Runners up:
Non-Whiny Farmboy Padawan Luke.
Qui-Gon.
Old Obi-Wan.
Mace Winduu.

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« Reply #8 on: 09-16-2004 07:02 »

Kyle Katan is the best jedi ever, he's pretty much neutral
Nurdbot

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« Reply #9 on: 09-16-2004 07:13 »

Kyle sucks, he keeps dipping in between and sometimes loses his powers all together.

David A: Have you heard of Exar Kun? or Naomi Sunrider? there's load of Jedi but only 10 slots.
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« Reply #10 on: 09-16-2004 07:15 »

It was a toss up between Vader and adult Obi-Wan, in the end I went for Obi-Wan as Sir Alec Guiness  was a great actor.
Nurdbot

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« Reply #11 on: 09-16-2004 07:17 »

Am I the only one who thinks Qui-Gon is cool? He had some pretty good quotes. If only he hadn't taken Jar-Jar with him he would be loved by all.
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« Reply #12 on: 09-16-2004 08:42 »

Light:
Mace Windu, Qui Gon Jin and young Obi Wan (for his extra sassyness)

Dark:
Darth "Apology accepted" Vader and Darth "Grrrr!" Maul.
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« Reply #13 on: 09-16-2004 08:45 »

He's a bad JediSHUT your mouth!  What, I'm jut talkin' 'bout Mace.
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« Reply #14 on: 09-16-2004 10:00 »

A quick good/bad factfile on each Jedi and Sith.

Name: Qui-Gon-Jin.
Good: Knows what he is doing, has a beard and a cool attitude as well as good taste in choosing Padawan. Good influence for Obi-Wan.
Good with a Sabre, which has a green blade.
Bad: Saved Jar-Jar from death several times and brung him with him for the rest of the film. Got killed by a Sith who was wasted easily by his less experienced Student.

Name: Young Obi-Wan.
Good: Greenhorn, utters 'the line'. His attitude towards Jar-Jar gives us a warm feeling inside when we watch him hate him.
Bad: Nothing much really.

Name: Adult Obi-Wan.
Good: Absorbed Qui-Gon's teachings, has his future facial hair.
Bad: Accepting Anakin as his Padawan. Did not learn everything from his master then.

Name: Young Anakin.
Good: None, seriously he sucks in all areas but combat.
Bad: Genocidal tendancies, making us sick acting horny around Padme and doesn't visit Mummy much.

Name: Darth Maul.
Good: One of the first Sith, good taste in tattoo's, clothes and he gave us the first double lightsabre.
Bad: Feels like a tackey Vader, got his ass kicked very quickly by a Padawan after wasting a master.

Name: Count Dooku.
Good: A certain sense of evil, follows Sith traditions. He also gave us the chance to see how good a Jedi Yoda was.
Bad: Has a bad choice in hiring underlings and soldiers and is really just another Darth's bitch. 

Name: Mace Winduu.
Good: A taste of common sense when objecting Anakin to be trained as well as having awesome Sabre skills.
Bad: Horrible quotes, Gay Parade Lightsabre blade and the feeling of being a generic black guy added to the thing to hush down the oversensitive. Could have been a brilliant character if thought out better.

Name: Younger Yoda.
Good: Kicked Dooku's ass, head of the Jedi Council and awesome taste in Sabre blade.
Bad: Didn't do anything to stop Anakin when it was obvious he was going to the Dark Side, bad pronounciation that can get into your head.

Name: Luke Skywalker.
Good: Average looking, X-Wing Pilot and a nice taste of clothing in later movies.
Bad: Being a Whiner for the first movie, losing his dad's Sabre and his creepy early movie relationship with Leia. And calling the Falcon junk.

Name: Darth Vader.
Good: Awesome voice actor, great taste in clothing. Has a red light sabre and eliminates anything that gets in his way.
Bad: Being another Bitch, this time to the Emperor. No will for survival. Bad taste in minions.
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« Reply #15 on: 09-16-2004 13:06 »
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Darth Maul was one of the last sith, foo'.

My vote on the poll goes to Darth Vader for being such a kickass villian. Though the ESB Yoda is my favorite Jedi.
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« Reply #16 on: 09-16-2004 14:08 »

I'm going to vote for Darth. Sure he's the emperors bitch, but what a bitch!

He has such a commanding presence and I like his Tie Fighting skills.
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« Reply #17 on: 09-16-2004 16:32 »

It's not the west or the east side.  No it's not. It's not the north or the south side. No it's not.
It's the Dark side!

Anyways I voted for Mace Winduu, he's played by Sammy Jackson  big grin

Anyways, what's the next movie gonna be called?  Since it comes out in May and everything....  roll eyes
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« Reply #18 on: 09-16-2004 18:46 »

Revenge of the Sith.
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« Reply #19 on: 09-16-2004 20:15 »

Poor old Mace and his purple bladed lightsabre.
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« Reply #20 on: 09-17-2004 00:57 »
« Last Edit on: 09-17-2004 00:57 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Name: Mace Winduu.
Good: Is trying real hard to be the shepherd
Bad: Is not a mushroom cloud laying muthafucka, muthafucka!

Pulp Fixed

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
Name: Darth Maul.
Bad: Feels like a tackey Vader, got his ass kicked very quickly by a Padawan after wasting a master.

1. Vader is too much talk.
2. Was only killed shamefully due to Lucas' shortcomings as an editor
3. Has his own damn choral theme song.
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« Reply #21 on: 09-17-2004 01:47 »
« Last Edit on: 09-17-2004 01:47 »

Yeah, but if Vader was sliced in half he'd recognise it immediatly. Or just put himself back together.
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« Reply #22 on: 09-17-2004 02:29 »

Voted for obi-wan because, Alec Guiness pulled it off great even thought he had some quite tacky lines.
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« Reply #23 on: 09-17-2004 02:44 »

Darth Vader, man.  He's the original.  Old Obi and Yoda both give stiff competition (and their younger forms are slightly less lame than Vader's) but I enjoy a good villain.  Also, he's a hero to asthmatics (and people who get knocked into pits of lava) everywhere.
evan

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« Reply #24 on: 09-17-2004 02:49 »

Here's something I've been confused about:  how do we know that Anakin falls into lava before he becomes Vader?  It seems to be common knowledge to SW fans, but I've never seen it explictedly stated as such.
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« Reply #25 on: 09-17-2004 02:57 »

I read it in some other thread that quoted a test screen of Ep III and assumed it was true, since that was the general theory anyway.  I really can't see Lucas passing up the opportunity to do a volcano scene, personally, so I'd say its quite probable.
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« Reply #26 on: 09-17-2004 03:26 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
David A: Have you heard of Exar Kun? or Naomi Sunrider? there's load of Jedi but only 10 slots.

I know, and if you had left out all of the lame ones from the prequels you'd have had room for more of the good ones.  That was my point.
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« Reply #27 on: 09-17-2004 03:34 »
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Originally posted by evan:
Here's something I've been confused about:  how do we know that Anakin falls into lava before he becomes Vader?  It seems to be common knowledge to SW fans, but I've never seen it explictedly stated as such.

While N-O-R is probably right, the idea that Anakin gets knocked into lava has been around since at least the Return of the Jedi novelisation. I'm actually a little surprised that Lucas is keeping to this idea, given his love of retoractively changing his earlier ideas. Like the one where Uncle Owen was Obi-Wan's brother, also found in the ROTJ novel but later banished from continuity by Attack of the Clones.

Also, shame on you, Nurdbot. Dissing Kyle Katarn.

*uses console to spawn in 1000 Katarns, who slice Nurdy to ribbons.*
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« Reply #28 on: 09-17-2004 08:21 »
« Last Edit on: 09-17-2004 08:21 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 I know, and if you had left out all of the lame ones from the prequels you'd have had room for more of the good ones.  That was my point.
I don't think EVERYONE here has read all the books. If I did that this thread would have curled up and die.

Pitt: I'll give maul a point for Dual Of The Fates, since it's awesome humming while playing all sorts of games online or actually listening to it.

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*Shoots all the lame ass Kyle's with his Carbine since they have to grind forever to actually just get force sensitive* 

David A

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« Reply #29 on: 09-17-2004 09:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Nurdbot:
I don't think EVERYONE here has read all the books. If I did that this thread would have curled up and die.

You could have at least left off one of the choices (I mean, who's gonna vote for li'l Anakin?) and put Mara Jade instead, or just an "other" option.
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« Reply #30 on: 09-17-2004 09:09 »

Not Lil' Anakin, Padawan Anakin.
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« Reply #31 on: 09-18-2004 01:11 »

Bash the prequels all you want, but I can't believe anyone would say Exar Kun was cooler than Qui-Gon. It just doesn't make sense to my fragile nerdy little mind.
evan

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« Reply #32 on: 09-18-2004 01:54 »

I don't even remember who Exar Kun was.  Shows how much SW knowledge I've lost over the years...
David A

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« Reply #33 on: 09-18-2004 02:37 »

 
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I can't believe anyone would say Exar Kun was cooler than Qui-Gon.

I never said that.  I said that the characters from the original trilogy were better than the ones from the prequels.  I do think that Mara Jade should have been included, though.  A lot of people do like her.

All that I'll say about Qui-Gon is this: If he was such a great Jedi, why didn't he become one with the Force when he died?  What was his body still doing there?
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« Reply #34 on: 09-18-2004 03:36 »
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That's actually apparently explained in the next one.

I actually read this long, elaborate theory about how everything in the prequels is basically Qui-Gon's fault....I think it actually may have stated that he's behind all of it.  I don't really remember how it went but it was suprisingly sound.  I'll have to find it again.

As for the lava thing, I think its just supposed to be accepted canon and part of the backstory Lucas came up with (he did give backstories to the principle characters when doing Ep 4, partially just to better understand for himself who they all were and so forth).  I remember seeing it on the back of one of those "Power of the Force" action figure packages actually.
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« Reply #35 on: 09-18-2004 04:30 »

Count Dooku was alright, he even used an ancient Villan escape technique.
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« Reply #36 on: 09-18-2004 13:20 »
« Last Edit on: 09-24-2004 00:00 »

no 1 metond Reavon and Malick from KOTOR
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« Reply #37 on: 09-18-2004 13:26 »

Gaming whores, I might as well add the Wookie and Twi'lek Jedi I saw in SWG as well!
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« Reply #38 on: 09-18-2004 13:35 »
« Last Edit on: 09-18-2004 13:35 »

KOTAR? Knights of the... Aardvark Rebublic?   tongue

In any case, no one mentioned those guys because they weren't in the movies. Which, you'll notice, every single option on that list is.
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« Reply #39 on: 09-18-2004 15:50 »

The only good Sith in the Jedi Knight game I played was Desann, his apprentice, Tavion, sucked in both Outcast and Academy, and so did Marka Ragnos, who was just a big pussy willow!

I'm looking forward to The Duel in Revenge of The Sith, it's supposed to be 12 minutes long!
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