Fry may have got leela pregnant

[Reply #80 on:]

   

Originally posted by Ralph Snart:

As for her and Fry - she dearly loves him as a friend, but he's not what she wants in a mate.  Besides, she's (porbably) afraid that if they dated and things didn't work out, she'd lose her best (and some could argue, her only trustworthy) friend - something she's not ready to give up.  In a lot of ways, Fry is more important to her than dating material, and in other ways, he aggravates her to her wits end.  You know, things that friends do to each other.       

You know, I could rephrase this another way:
Fry loves Leela. Therefore, he wants to be her friend, and do anything he can for her. Leela likes this, and therefore accepts his help and friendship, yet keeps their relationship at a standstill because she's is afraid that if she promotes him up to the level of an actual person, (aka, Adalai, Chaz) he won't care as much anymore.

Doesn't make sense to me, yet that's what I see.
Now I'm depressed.     


Edit: Now I feel a little better. My 4th TOTPD!

[Reply #81 on:]

OK, OK, perhaps I phrased myself badly.

In the future, everybody is easy. The only ones who don't ever get any are Mom's sons, and frankly they shouldn't be allowed to breed.

[Reply #82 on:]

"an actual person...?"  I wouldn't phrase it like that.

Leela think's Fry's a person already...just not a person she wants to get romantic with.

Yet.   

[Reply #83 on:]

I know. I phrased it in the wort possible manner just to get my point across on how sad it can seem sometimes. I didn't say I liked it.

I'm going to break my vow of shipperdom right now and give you one more opinion. I believe Fry would be able to accept a flat rejection, and yet still remain friends. Yet Leela never flatly rejects him. She always makes excuses, as though she's keeping her options open. Plus, she keeps getting closer to him, ('The Why Of Fry', 'The Farnsworth Parabox', 'Love & Rocket') and then yanks herself away from him. If she just stayed away from him and stopped the 'teasing', I think he'd be able to put up with it.

Now to slap my head with an English textbook for saying things so anti-shipper...

[Reply #84 on:]

(Raph ducking for cover...)

Xanfor, you have just opened a can of whoop-ass from Shiny and Venus.  They see Fry as aggravating Leela and she has told him several times that there's nothing there between them.

(Now for my ass-kicking)

I also see her liking Fry's friendship and getting a small ego-boost from his hero-worship of her.  Her self-esteem is so fragile that she probably thinks that if she let her guard down and let Fry into her life, he would either get bored of her or see her as not being worthy of hero-worship and dump her.

She would then lose a boyfriend and the only true friend she ever had.  That's too high a gamble for her to take (since she's so unimpulsive).

Truth to be told, Fry can be rather flighty at times.

[Reply #85 on:]

To be perfectly honest, I think Ralph's hit the nail on the head.  Fry seems to be her best friend at the moment, perhaps the best friend she's ever had, and although he can be a right pain in the arse at times, he really does care for and respect her.  And I can see her fully taking advantage of that fact, for better or for worse.

I doubt she means anything malicious by it, but like Ralph said, she's so emotionally fragile that she's afraid an "upgrade" to their relationship might reveal faults that would cause him to find her less appealing.  So she keeps him "trapped" in that uncomfortable position (for him, at least) of friend and admirer to preserve what she has.

*sneaks out of thread before Venus and/or Shiny catch wind of the newest posts*

[Reply #86 on:]

Seriously, I, seing alot of futurama episodes of fry and leela getting close, has made me wonder, will who ever makes the futurama series(paticularly matt groaning) will ever let leela and fry get close enough to echother to be romantic with echother.In my opinion, I think it could screw up the whole futurama series, knowing that a fair amount of the episodes are based on Fry and Leela's awkward relationship.And for example the episode: A Flight To Remember, shows that Fry and Leela get so close to kissing until something predictable happens, that scrues up the moment and there goes another example of Leela and Fry ever acully doing something to upgrade there relationship.   

[Reply #87 on:]

It's sad because it's almost like Leela is teasing Fry. But I agree with 1BDI completely.

[Reply #88 on:]

No ass-whooping, fear not.  Leela's told Fry an unambiguous "no" several times, but he persists, and occasionally she DOES soften toward him - I suppose someone could read that as "mixed messages" if they were inclined to. Though I think the reason Leela doesn't steel herself to cold-shoulder Fry 100% of the time is that she doesn't want to HURT him badly, as she'd have to to get through his dogged persistence.  Plus, Leela's just not as much in control of her emotions as she would like to be - her honest affection for him sneaks out, she just can't keep the lid totally clamped down.  Personally, this makes her MORE likeable to me, but others mileage may vary.

But I must insist on stating - Leela is not consciously teasing Fry - she's just not emotionally savvy enough, I don't think, to plan out "I'm going to keep him in this limbo because it's comfortable for me."  Au contraire, I don't think Leela knows WHAT Fry really feels about her at any one moment, and if she ever really did know with any certainty, she'd lose a lot of her ambivalence.

This seems counter-intuitive, because Fry's such an open book, but Leela's experience has been with people whose surface emotions do NOT reflect what's really going on inside.  I don't think she can quite believe that Fry is really as obvious as he seems.  That and Fry's behavior can be...errrrum....a bit erratic at times.  I don't think Leela "gets" that Fry's micro attention span is actually out of his control a lot of the time, not just the result of mental laziness. 

But watch - the times when Leela starts to fall for him are when he communicates successfully  with her about how he really feels.  Then he does something that seems to contradict that, and she is filled with doubt again, and pulls away.

Now, we see Fry when Leela's not around, so WE know how sincerely devoted to her he has become, but she is not privy to this perspective.  In any given shippy episode, try watching only the scenes that Leela is present in, and see if Fry isn't a bit harder to read than you'd think...

Just a few thoughts.  Night, all.

[Reply #89 on:]

No ass-whooping from me either. Only cause i can't find my medieval flail right now.

I can't add much to the debate at present cause Ralph and Shiny said everything i would have had i not been sleeping instead of interneting as a good nerd should. Leela's not malicious, or teasing. She's just afraid of being abandoned again. It's happened to her so many times throughout her life she has no real reason to believe it couldn't happen again. And since for her true friends are few and far between she doesn't want to risk the friendship with him she currently has. But there is an affection there that she can't always hide, nor should she want to.

[Reply #90 on:]

It's great to have Shiny back posting regularly.  Let's hope it continues.

It's great to see Venus at all (you'll make up for your nerdness this weekend at the PEEL-athon - enjoy yourself).

As for Leela manipulating Fry - that would be Michelle who would do that.  Leela doesn't have the patience or the ability to play 'mind games'.  She would view such things as beneath her.

She still carries the baggage of being different and not seeing herself as being worthy of being loved, but she does know that Fry has never deliberately hurt her.  She just doesn't know if she can trust him (or any man) with her heart.

[Reply #91 on:]

I was going to say that Leela knew she was hurting Fry, but Venus brings up a good point. Fry does seem to seem to act differently around her.
Lovestruck guy, can't even be in the same room without getting nervous...

[Reply #92 on:]

Leela knows that not dating Fry is hurting him, sure...but short of living her life solely to make someone else happy, there's nothing she can DO about that.

Take Leela's behavior at the end of "Time Keeps on Slippin'".  She accepts Fry's apology in a way that indicates she's thought about it and she doesn't really think he would have "tricked her;" she confirms that she just doesn't want him the same way he wants her.  She takes his hand and gives him a little kiss to say "it's okay, I really AM still your friend, I'm not just saying that."  It's a comfort gesture.

And then, looking back at Fry looking slumped and utterly miserable, she offers to let him pilot the ship. 

This is NOT some attempt to "reel Fry back in" or keep him "on a string."  Her voice is carefully neutral, and her small smile is the very definition of "politely non-committal," saying nothing more than "I am your friend and I trust you with this" (compare her much warmer tone of voice and smile at the end of "Devil's Hands" and see what you think).  But she DOES want to give Fry something to make him feel better, something to restore some of his shattered ego. 

If that's "manipulation," then I'm the Queen of Sheba on toast.  That's being compassionate and caring about him as a friend.  Frankly, if she had looked back at Fry (who looked so utterly miserable I just ACHE to wrap my arms around him every time I think about it) and NOT made such a gesture, it might have successfully put Fry off her, but it would have been cold, and she has NEVER been shown to be that cool and detatched, ever - it would be majorly OOC for her to act so then.

However Fry, being (in this one area) totally without self-involvement, takes this as confirming how wonderful Leela is - instead of (as Leela intended) as being about how trustworthy he, Fry, is.  Tragic flaw!  But it's due to Fry and Leela's best qualities, their highest and purest virtues, and their willingness to see the best in each other. 

That is some incredible feat of writing, I'm TELLIN' you.  It makes me shivery just describing it again.  I think you'd have to go far and wide to find such an example of - tragicomic anguish - in television or film. 

(Well, perhaps only as far as Joss Whedon at his best - but then, he IS a certified Dramatic Genius(tm), as much as Matt&David&crew).

Wow.  I've just appreciated them all over again. 

*Shiny spontaneously prostrates herself at the feet of her ultra-favorite TV writers, crying*  We're not worthy!  We're not worthy!

   

[Reply #93 on:]

^  What she said!

[Reply #94 on:]

A great feat of writing, yes, but it doesn't mean it wasn't sad. But I'll accept your argument and move on to my next point:

What was Leela apologizing to Fry for in 'The Devil's Hands Are Idol Playthings'?

[Reply #95 on:]

You mean with the "all along you had this gift and I never knew" thing on the balcony?  For underestimating him, and not realizing he had a "deep" side.

[Reply #96 on:]

But it what way had she been a fool? Anybody who met Fry probably didn't know he had a deep side.

[Reply #97 on:]

Yeah, but she knew him for three YEARS and still didn't see it.

Plus, it was established in that episode that Leela has a thing for "beautiful creative souls."  She's just realized Fry had one all along that she never saw.

[Reply #98 on:]

So maybe she's more open to having a thing for him now!
Just hoping...

[Reply #99 on:]

Well, that was the premise of my second story.

Not that I'd use an unrelated thread to plug my fiction or anything.... (whistles innocently)

[Reply #100 on:]

Awesome, awesome to the max. You know, Shiny, you might just be a person I can relate to. That was exactly what I wanted to happen.

P.S. Have you read any of my fiction?

[Reply #101 on:]

Yes, and I enthused appropriately.  Go see. 

[Reply #102 on:]

Yippe!

[Reply #103 on:]

It would be a girl, with 3 eyes, and orange ponytail, that knows karate, but is stupied 

[Reply #104 on:]

lol creative

[Reply #105 on:]

Id think it would be smart and cute (Leela)
Lazy (Fry)

Brown hair (Mix between purple and orange)
Boy ( Fry )
Tough (Leela fights and is tough)
Emotionaly stupid (does stupid things cause of emotions)(Leela and Fry)

[Reply #106 on:]

 http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/11-000498-1/

[Reply #107 on:]

 

Originally posted by Shiny:
Leela knows that not dating Fry is hurting him, sure...but short of living her life solely to make someone else happy, there's nothing she can DO about that.

Take Leela's behavior at the end of "Time Keeps on Slippin'".  She accepts Fry's apology in a way that indicates she's thought about it and she doesn't really think he would have "tricked her;" she confirms that she just doesn't want him the same way he wants her.  She takes his hand and gives him a little kiss to say "it's okay, I really AM still your friend, I'm not just saying that."  It's a comfort gesture.

And then, looking back at Fry looking slumped and utterly miserable, she offers to let him pilot the ship. 

This is NOT some attempt to "reel Fry back in" or keep him "on a string."  Her voice is carefully neutral, and her small smile is the very definition of "politely non-committal," saying nothing more than "I am your friend and I trust you with this" (compare her much warmer tone of voice and smile at the end of "Devil's Hands" and see what you think).  But she DOES want to give Fry something to make him feel better, something to restore some of his shattered ego. 

If that's "manipulation," then I'm the Queen of Sheba on toast.  That's being compassionate and caring about him as a friend.  Frankly, if she had looked back at Fry (who looked so utterly miserable I just ACHE to wrap my arms around him every time I think about it) and NOT made such a gesture, it might have successfully put Fry off her, but it would have been cold, and she has NEVER been shown to be that cool and detatched, ever - it would be majorly OOC for her to act so then.

However Fry, being (in this one area) totally without self-involvement, takes this as confirming how wonderful Leela is - instead of (as Leela intended) as being about how trustworthy he, Fry, is.  Tragic flaw!  But it's due to Fry and Leela's best qualities, their highest and purest virtues, and their willingness to see the best in each other. 

That is some incredible feat of writing, I'm TELLIN' you.  It makes me shivery just describing it again.  I think you'd have to go far and wide to find such an example of - tragicomic anguish - in television or film. 

(Well, perhaps only as far as Joss Whedon at his best - but then, he IS a certified Dramatic Genius(tm), as much as Matt&David&crew).

Wow.  I've just appreciated them all over again. 

*Shiny spontaneously prostrates herself at the feet of her ultra-favorite TV writers, crying*  We're not worthy!  We're not worthy!

     

Ah crap this is what happens when I'm busy elsewhere I miss all the good threads.

Couldn't agree more. Sorry guys I'm with Venus and Shiny on this one even though I am one.

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Originally posted by Venus:
Yeah he would have had to sign something. But Leela can pretty much get him to do whatever. If she demanded he sign the divorce papers he would have been crushed but he would have given in simply because it was what she wanted. He loves her enough not to force himself on her. He wouldn't force her to stay married to him if it wasn't what she wanted. it would be like holding her prisoner and he would never do that to her.

Well maybe so but if so why doesn't he kill himself afterwards I mean come on How could anyone take that? and from Leela? 
If he wasn't dead after the time skip it doesn't seem likely that that's what happened

[Reply #109 on:]

Well, with the sucide booths in the 30th century, killing yourself doesn't leave quite as big an impression as it does today. Besides, he still wants her, and killing himself really won't get him any closer.
Although I can't blame him for feeling like he wanted to... (if he did feel that way, like I'm sure he did)

[Reply #110 on:]

 

Originally posted by Xanfor:
Well, with the sucide booths in the 30th century, killing yourself doesn't leave quite as big an impression as it does today. Besides, he still wants her, and killing himself really won't get him any closer.
Although I can't blame him for feeling like he wanted to... (if he did feel that way, like I'm sure he did)

Well everyone wants her but he doesn't have a chance with her and bender was gonna' kill himself 'cause he didn't like his job

[Reply #111 on:]

No. I want her. You want her. Everybody except non-lesbian females want her. Here. In the 'Futurama' world, however, she is considered a freak.

Now if you'll excuse me, I just imagined what Fry would have felt like when Leela axed him to sign those papers.  Very depressing. To tell you the truth, that entire episode was.

[Reply #112 on:]

 

Originally posted by Xanfor:
Everybody except non-lesbian females want her.

What about gay men?

[Reply #113 on:]

Nope. Not even them. 

[Reply #114 on:]

 

Originally posted by Xanfor:
In the 'Futurama' world, however, she is considered a freak.

People in the future have horribly bad taste

 

[Reply #115 on:]

Too bad. Seems that this 'Fry' you have it in for seems to be the only person who agrees with you.

[Reply #116 on:]

Just because I agree with him about something doesn't mean I shouldn't want to slowly torture him to death    I have to do something to him Leela's my woman   

[Reply #117 on:]

I can think of one scenario and only one where Leela is preganant to Fry, when we are Universe 1 or as that Fry called it, "The Fighting Mongooses"

[Reply #118 on:]

Ya know, I think that would make a good minisode on one of those episodes with the WHAT IF? machine. like "what would happen if Fry and Leela had a baby" i wonder who would ask that??

[Reply #119 on:]

that would wreck the whole show!