germanfryfan
The Listmaker
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« Reply #80 on: 04-26-2004 17:45 »
« Last Edit on: 04-26-2004 17:45 »
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What about the almost kiss scene from AFTR, I liked it very much! Do you need a Frame Grab? Hey, my fourth TOTPD If there will be more TOTP I'll quit counting!
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Nasty Pasty
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Oooh, that'll be a good one. Good luck Coilette.
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Nasty Pasty
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Yep its a great one. Showing both Leela's dream and reality at the same time was a great idea.
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Coilette
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« Reply #90 on: 04-27-2004 13:03 »
« Last Edit on: 04-27-2004 13:03 »
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I've finished it off, however I don't want to turn this thread into an art thread incase it'll get closed. So all requests that you guys ask for I'll post on my Fan-Art thread. I take great pleasure in drawing pictures for people, even better when it's Futurama! So bearing that in mind, what's the next one then? EDIT: I'll be drawing something from Parasites Lost (a loverly episode.... ) no clues as to what it will be though.
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Nasty Pasty
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Originally posted by fryfanSpyOrama: This supports my idea that Matt and David had planned for Fry and Leela relationship to be the focus of the show. It was a major focus of the show. From the Pilot to the Devils Hands it was always looming over the main storylines.
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Nasty Pasty
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What are you talkin about DrJohnZ?! The Devils Hands was one of the best episodes in the series. And although i would kill for new episodes, I'm happy that the series ended on such a great note.
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passerby
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Originally posted by Spacedal11: Xmas Story. While they were under the missletoe, if stupid Robo-Santa had waited like five minutes than I wouldn't of mind him trying to kill them. But I don't remember once hearing Leela tell Fry "I love you". He told her like three or two times but we mnever hear her return the favor. What does that mean? It's a part of her personality. She's uptight and serious. She loves him really, or eventually comes to, but the rational part of her mind only sees his (admittedly many) bad points and refuses to acknowledge it. That's why she never says "I love you" to him. I guess if you believe in the concept of "true love", as opposed to just having a relationship with someone, theirs is about as true as it gets. Their personalities don't naturally go together (There are a lot of reasons, as she says, why a woman wouldn't go out with him, and it has to be said that she has a lot of faults, as well). The thing about Love though, is it dosn't come from the conscious mind , but from what can only be called (for want of a better word) the heart, and Leela dosn't make a conscious decision to love Fry, any more than she made a conscious decision to burst into tears while looking at her orphanarium photos. Just like that turn of events, it just develops, one bit at a time. Though they may not get together during the series we see, they develop a subtle interaction that has a lot of compassion and empathy to it, that we just don't see either of them ever having had before in their past lives. "The Sting" proved once and for all that the feeling between them was mutual. Fry refuses to leave her, even when it looks like she's just going to die, which is predictable based on what's been seen before that. What we find out, but was also somewhat predictable, even though she kept it hidden is that in spite of her shutting him out, they'd become so close that Leela can't cope with losing him, and goes from upset to unhinged to suicidal at the end. In the final analysis of everything, neither of them changes in a way that the other would probably want either, they just lose their reservations about each other, and isn't that one of the signs of genuine love, that the people involved come to want each other for exactly who THAT PERSON is, rather than for what THEY consider the perfect partner to be? Really, a full understanding of the Fry/Leela love story would have to take into account their personal character and history as individuals as well, but that would be too long to write now.
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Nasty Pasty
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Yeah that is a great explanation for a tiny Poppler. Keep it up passerby!
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Teral
Helpy McHelphelp
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Wow, great post, passerby. Very good analysis, and I agree with most of it.
The only minor argument is Leela's going crazy in "The Sting" wasn't only caused by Fry's death, but equally (probably primarily) by the outside world (Fry's voice, gift, etc) intruding on her perceived reality. When she couldn't tell (her) reality from the (real world) fantasies she had no control of, she started losing it. In my layman opinion.
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Nasty Pasty
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Ok ok, enough with the passerby BS! Back to the discussion:
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passerby
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Thanks, everybody. You certainly make a poppler feel welcome!
I just wish I really were as good as you think, then i'd be able to write that alternate ending to 'The Sting' that's been bubbling through my mind. Or maybe an essay on how character, friendship and love all mix together in Futurama, to the point of becoming inseparable.
Teral,
You're absolutely right, but for some reason I just find the madness idea plausible, even if not true. It gets harder to remember how 'Sting' seemed on the first viewing when you never knew how it'd end, but nothing about it seemed out of character, even then. Perhaps, it wasn't really insanity, just desperation.
Spacedal11,
It was a pleasure to write, and your question went deeper into Leela's character than it might appear at first anyway. It deserved a full explanation.
and Unknown,
It just seems to me that Chaz was Fry reversed completely. The attraction there was all from the head, not the heart. She was swayed by his clout, like he said, which is a pretty shallow reason, and sure enough it didn't last even one date. Having never seen 'bicyclops', I can't comment fully, but wouldn't be surprised if something similar happened there.
Last a desperate plea - can anybody tell me how to put an avatar onto this existing account? I wasn't going to have one, but then found a good one.
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passerby
Crustacean
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Originally posted by Teral: Edit: Adlai is from "The Cyberhouse Rules". Oops. Is my face red now.
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SpaceCase
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Originally posted by Unknown: Another thing that always mystified me was Leela's inability (unwillingness?) to see obvious character flaws in some of her boyfriends (particularly Adlai and Chaz) simply because they had some sort of prestige, particularly in TWOF when you probably couldn't get through to her with a .44 Magnum to her head. And this was allegedly one of the more rational characters in the series. Sorry if this doesn't really make sense. Something has been rattling around my mind for some time: Of course, Leela is a cyclops. Having only one eye, she does not have binocular vision, and therefore cannot perceive depth as people with two eyes can. It seems to me that this inability to perceive depth, literarily (if that's even a word) speaking, goes a bit deeper into her character. Not only can she not perceive physical depth in the world around her, she has a very difficult time seeing depth of character in the people around her. She knows that Fry loves her, but only after he told her so in PL, and his having risked his life for her on more than one occasion. It's kind'a hard for a girl not to notice something like that. Still, Zapp was able to trick her into his bed, Alkazar was able to trick her into his bed, she was attracted to Adalai because he was a 'responsible doctor', and to Chaz be cause of the power and prestige of his position. Only after these bozo's did something outrageous (in Leela's opinion, at least) did she see them for the jerks they truly were. Do not misunderstand me: I am not saying Leela is a shallow person. I'm saying that her being a cyclops and her resultant lack of depth perception is symbolic of her character's inability to percieve depth of character- or lack of it in the people around her. I neither support nor reject the idea: I raise it for discussion, and I'd love t'hear what y'all think. Later...
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