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PEE Poll: Leela or Amy?
Leela
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This poll is sexist and degrading!

Ralph Snart

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« Reply #280 on: 01-28-2006 21:48 »

talk about a bumped thread.

yeah, leela's bitchy; she's only interested in 'important' men and she seems to have no problem hurting people (physically and/or emotionally) if they irritate her in the least.

she is amazingly loyal to the people she calls 'friend.

amy has tried a lot of men, has settled for a kinda geeky alien because he sincerely likes her, not her parent's money.

amy is also loyal to her friends, however she feels leela is too haughty and enjoys antagonizing her no end.

still, i gotta go with leela...

sorry kryten.

Okay you cunts, let's see what you can do now.
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« Reply #281 on: 01-29-2006 01:11 »

Leela's not only interested in important men. She's pleased as hell when she lands one but it's not a requirement by any means. Sean wasn't important. Neither was that beach bully she was willing to go for a walk with.
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« Reply #282 on: 01-29-2006 01:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:

Neither was that beach bully she was willing to go for a walk with.

50 BUCKS?  Not even if she was my girlfriend!  wink

you got me on that one, but she does seem to take pride in letting people know if she's dating an 'important' person.

leela does seem to live the motto of:  Fry's an idiot, but he's my idiot.


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« Reply #283 on: 01-29-2006 01:48 »

What women wouldn't? If i landed Mr. CEO i'd be bragging too.
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« Reply #284 on: 01-29-2006 03:23 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
  Fry's an idiot, but he's my idiot.



That sort of sums up their relationship with each other.....i would almost certainly go straight for Leela.......not Amy, she's just too klutzy

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« Reply #285 on: 01-29-2006 03:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Demeter:Leela is more shallow than Amy...

With that statement, you just destroyed whatever respect I had for any of your other arguments. 


Moving along....


 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:

yeah, leela's bitchy; she's only interested in 'important' men and she seems to have no problem hurting people (physically and/or emotionally) if they irritate her in the least.

All right, Ralph. You've been dumping on Leela long enough.  Venus has dealt with the "important men" issue, now it's time for you and me to throw down about Leela hurting people. 

1) Name me one time Leela hurt Fry physically (on purpose - the kick in "Bender Gets Made" doesn't count) that he didn't deserve it.

2) Then, tell me how she was supposed to avoid hurting Fry emotionally when it's been repeatedly shown that her gentler "no's" have about as much effect on him as Kif's "I don't think that's wise, sir's" have on Zapp Brannigan's insane whims.

I love Fry dearly, but he's relentlessly pushy and refuses to take "no" for an answer, and that's not just a small irritation; it's more like fingernails on a chalkboard...going on for a couple of hours while someone kicks the back of your seat, hums tunelessly and blows spitwads at the back of your head.

I know you identify with Fry a lot, but just as an experiment, stop imagining what it's like to be rejected by Leela and try imagining what it's like to BE Leela.  Walk a mile in her big, honkin' boots and see if that doesn't give you some insights into how SHE feels.
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« Reply #286 on: 01-29-2006 04:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:

 All right, Ralph. You've been dumping on Leela long enough.

quite the opposite - i've often stated that she's them most intricately, realistically written character in the series.  i'm rather fond of leela not because of the way she's drawn, but becase of the way she's portrayed.
   
 
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1) Name me one time Leela hurt Fry physically (on purpose - the kick in "Bender Gets Made" doesn't count) that he didn't deserve it.

i didn't state fry - i said anybody.

she slapped bender hard enough to knock his eyes out in 'AOI-2'

she slapped the professor in 'bend her'

she jumped to conclusions and was ready to kill her parents in 'leela's homeworld'

she murdered the entire PE crew (except for fry - she seduced him) in 'AOI'

 
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2) Then, tell me how she was supposed to avoid hurting Fry emotionally when it's been repeatedly shown that her gentler "no's" have about as much effect on him as Kif's "I don't think that's wise, sir's" have on Zapp Brannigan's insane whims.

she tells zoidberg about liking fry's boyish charm but not his immaturity, but does she ever tell fry?  does she ever give him a reason to 'grow up'?  she gives fry a lot of mixed messages.  one moment she's an ice queen to him and the next she's drinking buddies with him.  obviously he has grown on her more than she realizes, because she was ready to commit suicide in 'the sting' so that she could be with him.  towards the end of the series, he had matured some and she was much more tolerant of him.

 
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I love Fry dearly, but he's relentlessly pushy and refuses to take "no" for an answer, and that's not just a small irritation; it's more like fingernails on a chalkboard...going on for a couple of hours while someone kicks the back of your seat, hums tunelessly and blows spitwads at the back of your head.

in other words - he's a man.  when i first met my wife, she thought that i was the most conceited jerk she had ever met.  the only reason she went out with me was because (venus will love this)- her cat liked me.  i rubbed everything about her wrong - politically, religeously, philisophically - i'm loud, opinionated, borderline obnoxious at times - yet she ended up marrying me 2 years later, for those very reasons.

 
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I know you identify with Fry a lot, but just as an experiment, stop imagining what it's like to be rejected by Leela and try imagining what it's like to BE Leela.  Walk a mile in her big, honkin' boots and see if that doesn't give you some insights into how SHE feels.

tough call.  being a guy, i see things though testosterone eyes.  however, leela could tell fry there is no chance for a relationship between them and not give him conflicting messages.  if she sees something likable and even redeeming in fry, as a friend she should help him stregnthen those qualities.

however, fry's devotion to her is borderline pathological for both of them; some of his tendancies could be considered obsessive bordering on stalking (what he did after they clocked out and went home - i don't know).

what the future movies show - we don't know yet.  either make them an item or have a blow-out between them and get it over with.  with the way the series ended, i'd like to think that they connected and she gave him the maturity that he needed to move forward and he gave her the self-esteem she lacked and filled the hole of loneliness in her life.

ralph 'my opinion is mine and subject to change' snart

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« Reply #287 on: 01-29-2006 05:28 »

Burn on shiny! haha good reply
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« Reply #288 on: 01-29-2006 07:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
i've often stated that she's them most intricately, realistically written character in the series. i'm rather fond of leela not because of the way she's drawn, but becase of the way she's portrayed.

Okay.  But... (plaintively) you refer to her as "bitchy" an awful lot, and accuse her of not caring about the people around her. 

I can see that she's sometimes a bitch, but that particular usage of "bitchy" is more accurate for Michelle or Morgan, who cared only for themselves, than for Leela, who cares deeply for others.

 
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Name me one time Leela hurt Fry physically...that he didn't deserve it.

i didn't state fry - i said anybody.
Fair enough.  When did they not deserve it?
 
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she slapped bender hard enough to knock his eyes out in 'AOI-2'
He totally deserved it.
 
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she slapped the professor in 'bend her'
Deserved it.  (And Amy slapped him in a similar situation in "Insane/Mainframe" )

 
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she jumped to conclusions and was ready to kill her parents in 'leela's homeworld'
...and she just happened to be chasing two people who had a creepy stalker-type shrine to her in their living room, who wouldn't answer any questions, who she had no reason to expect to BE her parents, and who had just told her outright that "Yes....we killed them.  You guessed the truth."

If I met my parents' murderers with a gun in my hand, I'd be real tempted to kill them, too.
 
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she murdered the entire PE crew (except for fry - she seduced him) in 'AOI'
That didn't really happen, and so it doesn't count!  If you recall, she also skewered Nibbler in that segment, and I have a hard time believing she would do any such thing.  Leela loves Nibbler.  Also, she broke down and cried over a random penguin she thought she shot, and she's supposed to cold-bloodedly stab her beloved pet? 

Therefore, the "What If" machine just doesn't have a really good grasp on her true character.  Q.E.D.

 
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she tells zoidberg about liking fry's boyish charm but not his immaturity, but does she ever tell fry?
How do we know she hasn't?  And she may not have stated it outright that we know of, but since she reacts positively to him when he's being boyishly cute but negatively when he's being irresponsible and careless, it's not like it would be hard to figure out.

 
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does she ever give him a reason to 'grow up'?
Ahem.  She's not his mother.  She's not responsible for him growing up, HE is.
 
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she gives fry a lot of mixed messages. one moment she's an ice queen to him and the next she's drinking buddies with him.
...which is totally consistent with her overtly stated sentiment that "I'm your friend and I like you but I'm not romantically interested in you." So, how exactly is that mixed?  Unless you think that not wanting a romantic relationship with him means she should stop being his friend at all.
 
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obviously he has grown on her more than she realizes, because she was ready to commit suicide in 'the sting' so that she could be with him. towards the end of the series, he had matured some and she was much more tolerant of him.

I agree with you there.  Though there were issues of guilt and fear of encroaching insanity at work, too, and though I personally am a diehard shipper, I can totally see see Leela feeling the same way in that ep even if it were "just" deep friendship she felt for Fry (IMHO, friendship is in no way less strong than erotic love, just different in kind).

 
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I love Fry dearly, but he's relentlessly pushy and refuses to take "no" for an answer...

in other words - he's a man.

Uh-huh.  And how does that make his behavior less annoying to her?  Should Leela not feel irritated, or should she just not express it?  Is she supposed to shrug and say, "Oh, well, he just can't help being pushy and not respecting my stated wishes, he's just a man, after all, he has no control over his own behavior." That would be an incredibly demeaning thing for her to think, about men in general or about Fry in particular.  How could we respect her as a character if she didn't regard Fry as an adult human being, responsible for the choices he makes?

 
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...just as an experiment, stop imagining what it's like to be rejected by Leela and try imagining what it's like to BE Leela

tough call.  being a guy, i see things though testosterone eyes.

You're a science fiction fan.  I know your imagination is up to it.  wink

 
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  however, leela could tell fry there is no chance for a relationship between them

Um...she has.  In "Time Keeps on Slippin'."  And also less formally, in several other episodes. 

 
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...and not give him conflicting messages.


I still don't see how her messages conflict.  She may have moments of physical attraction and feel twinges of jealousy here and there, but she never (for example) tried to break up Fry and Amy when they had their fling (in fact, she defended their relationship to Bender and tried to tell Fry he was overreacting).  And in "Parasites Lost," she wasn't conflicted, she was really falling in love with the new Fry - not, in my opinion, because he was smarter or stronger, though that surely added to the physical attraction part, but because he was finally acting as though she really mattered a lot to him.  If you'll notice, in all the shippy episodes, Leela is surprised to see how much she matters to Fry.  She knows he likes her, knows he'd love to have sex with her (but then, she knows he'd love to have sex with most humanoid females) but has no way of telling, from Fry's erratic behavior, if would love her in a lasting relationship - and Leela has no interest in "just for fun" dating, unlike Amy.

 
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if she sees something likable and even redeeming in fry, as a friend she should help him stregnthen those qualities.

She does try, but Fry is a dedicated slacker, and consistently shows zero interest in "improving himself" and reacts with irritation if he's prodded in that direction.  Leela has no experience of the cultural and social pressures that produced the entrenched hopelessness of the post baby-boom slacker generations, she doesn't "get" how someone could not want to achieve anything - for her, achievement was her only hope of a life above the "dreadful" level, the only path to happiness.  She can't understand that for Fry, being a non-achiever was as much as survival instinct as being an over-achiever was for her.

For Leela to help Fry get stronger, he has to first indicate that he wants such help.  The only thing he's done along those lines were teach himself to fly the ship (and she was impressed, though she did not feel obligated to give him a date just because of it) and take holophoner lessons (which he kept secret from her).  Leela did encourage him in "Time/Slippin'" - she let him pilot the ship, showing him she trusted him.  Ironically, that ended up causing his final heartbreak, but she could no more know that than Fry could know what his decision meant for Seymore in "Jurassic Bark".

 
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however, fry's devotion to her is borderline pathological for both of them; some of his tendancies could be considered obsessive bordering on stalking


Personally, I make allowances for the fact that Futurama is an animated comedy, and contains a great deal of comedic exaggeration.  It operates in a universe where greater extremes are allowable before the pathological borderline is actually crossed.

 
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what the future movies show - we don't know yet.  either make them an item or have a blow-out between them and get it over with.  with the way the series ended, i'd like to think that they connected and she gave him the maturity that he needed to move forward and he gave her the self-esteem she lacked and filled the hole of loneliness in her life.
            
See, I think maturity and self-esteem can only come from within.  Fry's found reason to become more mature (would first-season Fry have taken holophoner lessons?) and Leela is beginning to realize that she can trust others and they won't abandon her. I believe they are good for each other in that they each encourage this process in each other, just by being who they are.  That is why I think they are right for each other.

But I don't actually feel this burning need to resolve the romantic tension or end it.   Unanswered questions are what keeps TV shows (and fandoms) going - I'd much rather have it eternally unconsummated than consummated badly.  However, I have complete faith in Matt & David & crew, and so I'm less afraid of a "final answer" in Futurama than I would be in almost any other series.
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« Reply #289 on: 01-29-2006 08:57 »

i love you Shiny
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« Reply #290 on: 01-29-2006 09:53 »
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to venus, shiny:

NO MAS

i give up.  you win.

p.s.
 
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ralph - tough call. being a guy, i see things though testosterone eyes.

shiny - You're a science fiction fan. I know your imagination is up to it.

you gave me the first real laugh that i've had all week.  thanks


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« Reply #291 on: 01-29-2006 10:17 »
« Last Edit on: 01-29-2006 10:17 »

Oh.  Um, okay.  Wasn't trying to make you cry "mercy," Ralph.  I just, y'know, feel very protective of Leela. 

. . .

Venus: back at you, sweetie. 

And remind me next time I stay up all night writing to spend all that effort on my story.
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« Reply #292 on: 01-29-2006 10:24 »

well, i may not be able to say that i love you, you did make strong arguments without getting defensive and shrill.  i respect that.

i will say that i respect you and your style.  now that's said...

[zoidberg]did you say something about writing an update?[/zoidberg]

no pressure - just waiting to see the next chapter of fry, marsupial mick and how many 'new ones' leela's going to tear into alkazar...

Okay you cunts, let's see what you can do now.
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« Reply #293 on: 01-29-2006 14:59 »

Um, yeah.  Say, isn't that the Goodyear Satellite?

(runs)

I've run into a slight stall on it, but I think I've found a way around it.  Stay tuned, and thanks!

. . .

Oh, and by the way, Blane... Nyah!   tongue
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« Reply #294 on: 01-29-2006 15:54 »

what was this topic about again?  big grin
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« Reply #295 on: 01-30-2006 03:32 »

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
 50 BUCKS?  Not even if she was my girlfriend!   wink

you got me on that one, but she does seem to take pride in letting people know if she's dating an 'important' person.

leela does seem to live the motto of:  Fry's an idiot, but he's my idiot.


ralph 'where's my percocet' snart


There's where my point of leela being shallow comes in! Okay maybe she isn't MORE shallow than Amy, that was exagerating, but she liked a guy who just walked up and...well we klnow that part surely. Yes she is interested in important men...now I think about it really they are equal with faults and such so I'm just gonna not post anymore, it's pointless. Kay thanks  big grin
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« Reply #296 on: 01-30-2006 05:27 »

Christ, that was epic.
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« Reply #297 on: 01-30-2006 08:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Demeter:
 There's where my point of leela being shallow comes in! Okay maybe she isn't MORE shallow than Amy, that was exagerating, but she liked a guy who just walked up and...well we klnow that part surely.

Yeah, but only after she realized he wasn't a real bully, only a professional stand-in.  big grin

 
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Yes she is interested in important men...now I think about it really they are equal with faults and such so I'm just gonna not post anymore, it's pointless. Kay thanks   big grin

Nonsense, it's never pointless!  Well, no more pointless than debating the thoughts and motives of a bunch of cartoon characters ever are...

Um...

...yeah. 
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« Reply #298 on: 01-30-2006 11:48 »

is it ever going to end between Shiny, Ralph Snart, and Demeter? I'm your host, mookie427, and we'll be back right after these messages!

 big grin  big grin  big grin
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« Reply #299 on: 01-30-2006 12:12 »

I like both Leela and Amy.  There's not one I like better than the other.  Oh, and BTW, how come Hermes's wife Labarbra wasn't mentioned in this poll?
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« Reply #300 on: 01-30-2006 13:26 »

Already taken?
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« Reply #301 on: 01-30-2006 14:33 »
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By hermes. Besides, she isnt in contest wif leela or amy.
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« Reply #302 on: 01-30-2006 14:48 »
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She is very good looking. Leela and Amy "win" though.

I wonder how Hermes landed her... Especially after she had been married to Barbados Slim.
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« Reply #303 on: 01-30-2006 16:46 »

probably showed her how 'horizontal' he could get

hehe smutty joke
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« Reply #304 on: 01-30-2006 20:12 »

amy is super bangable
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« Reply #305 on: 01-30-2006 21:11 »
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Obviously LaBarbara saw something in Hermes worth more than a magnificently molded physique.  I think LaBarbara could hold her own with Leela and Amy, but we only see her three or four times.  Leela and Amy are our regulars.

I have no objections to anyone liking Amy or Leela better than the other, because they're very different while still both being attractive and likeable, so preferring one or the other is a matter of individual taste.  I just can't stand seeing one of them get run down unfairly - either one of them, actually.  I don't see why liking one of them has to mean denigrating the other, and I have an overdeveloped urge to defend the characters I'm fond of.

So pardon my soapbox.  We now return you to the regularly scheduled comparative artistic and lustful appreciation...   wink
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« Reply #306 on: 01-30-2006 21:52 »

Leela she has more character but Amy is nicer to people...
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« Reply #307 on: 01-30-2006 23:30 »

...except Leela.

And probably her fellow students, if I know frat girls.  Or grad students, whichever's applicable.
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« Reply #308 on: 01-31-2006 08:25 »

I did realise that shiny, I was just rambling.
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« Reply #309 on: 01-31-2006 10:28 »

i do think the poll at the top does sum up this argument fully: most of us like Leela better.

leave it at that
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« Reply #310 on: 01-31-2006 19:11 »

 
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I did realise that shiny, I was just rambling.

And I wasn't?   wink

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« Reply #311 on: 02-01-2006 11:06 »

Indeed.
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« Reply #312 on: 02-02-2006 05:13 »

Hmm couldn't resist re-joining, okay...

Well for the same point you could say why isn't Umbriel, or Morgan fetured. It's because Leela and Amy are just the sterotypes gone wrong on the show. I don't really see why LaBarbara.... Yes anyways no one is ever going to agree with someone else over this completely. I would also say that they're identical but, hey I am just over-eagerating again.
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« Reply #313 on: 04-22-2006 16:12 »

Another belated reply -

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
I can see that she's sometimes a bitch

I disagree... bossy certainly, but bitchy? I don't see it.

 
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but that particular usage of "bitchy" is more accurate for Michelle or Morgan, who cared only for themselves, than for Leela, who cares deeply for others.

And that as well as the fact that she'll willingly risk her life for others is why I love Leela.

 
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And in "Parasites Lost," she wasn't conflicted, she was really falling in love with the new Fry - not, in my opinion, because he was smarter or stronger, though that surely added to the physical attraction part, but because he was finally acting as though she really mattered a lot to him. If you'll notice, in all the shippy episodes, Leela is surprised to see how much she matters to Fry

Very interesting....

 
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She knows he likes her.... but has no way of telling, from Fry's erratic behavior, if would love her in a lasting relationship - and Leela has no interest in "just for fun" dating, unlike Amy.

Interesting again. I hadn't thought of it that way before. And Leela does have first hand experiance of Fry and Amy's relationship and how short that lasted, she's got to be thinking "will the same thing happen to me? Will he dump me after a week like he did Amy?" And I think probably, yes. Hence she won't date him. Thats why I think that if they do eventually get together it'll be for keeps.

 
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Originally posted by Ralph Snart:
however, fry's devotion to her is borderline pathological for both of them; some of his tendancies could be considered obsessive bordering on stalking

I think he's managed to avoid that so far... although his constant pestering for a date must get extremely irritating. If on the other hand you were talking about Zap Brannigan then I'd have to agree with you.

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Fry's found reason to become more mature (would first-season Fry have taken holophoner lessons)?

Absolutely not...

 
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And Leela is beginning to realize that she can trust others and they won't abandon her. I believe they are good for each other in that they each encourage this process in each other, just by being who they are. That is why I think they are right for each other.

I hadn't thought of that about Leela... and well said about the rest.

 
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But I don't actually feel this burning need to resolve the romantic tension or end it. Unanswered questions are what keeps TV shows (and fandoms) going - I'd much rather have it eternally unconsummated than consummated badly. However, I have complete faith in Matt & David & crew, and so I'm less afraid of a "final answer" in Futurama than I would be in almost any other series.

Perhaps you're right, I used to be a fan of another TV show that had a similar tension between the lead male and female characters and eventually when they did get together the spark went right out of it for me.... but I did have a need to see it resolved anyway. One way. Or the other.

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« Reply #314 on: 04-23-2006 08:17 »

Basically, all my arguments have been said, but obviously, I'm a Leela fan.  Amy is just too superficial. 
Also, incidently...I'm new here. Hi everyone.
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« Reply #315 on: 04-23-2006 11:58 »

Leela - She a strong, positive and effective character. I carn't imagine a futurama without Leela.
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« Reply #316 on: 04-26-2006 21:14 »

Amy is better than One eyed girl cause she gave Fry a chance at dating where He only got lucky with her in universe be or in the eipsode(valintines day)
   
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« Reply #317 on: 04-28-2006 09:09 »

I prefer amy. Leelas a boring person. I mean, in 'Anthology of Interest 1,she asked what she'd be like if she was impulsive. Only   sleep boring people would ask that
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« Reply #318 on: 04-28-2006 10:27 »

Leela can be impulsive - it just takes her a while.

She 'impulsively' dumped the popcorn shipment to chase down Alkazar...

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« Reply #319 on: 04-30-2006 15:41 »

that was a 1 off!!!
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