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Xanfor

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« Reply #80 on: 06-08-2006 13:17 »
« Last Edit on: 06-08-2006 13:17 »

Shiny, I poured my heart and soul into that long post of mine, and you just jumped right over it! I'm hurt...   wink
It even inspired me to change my signature!

Anyway, about your above post: You're right. People talk about Leela's flaws and breeze right over Fry's. What they seem to fail to realize is that both of them need to change themselves. Come to think of it, seeing as it's Leela, Fry would be the easiest to change.

In the next movie of my trilogy I hope to elaborate on the 'both need to change' point. And hopefully prepare for a twist ending!


My 16th TOTPD!

Shiny

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« Reply #81 on: 06-09-2006 19:01 »
« Last Edit on: 06-09-2006 19:01 »

Xanfor, forgive me.  I was rushed.  Here, let me mop up your heart and soul with this nice fluffy towel...there, no more mess.

Maybe Futurama can be a bittersweet sitcom?


I've noticed a pattern in fandom...whenever there is conflict between two characters, a lot of people begin to take sides with whoever they identify with the most.  They then see all their chosen character's actions in the best possible light, and the other character's actions in the WORST possible light.  It doesn't matter that the "other person" may be the best friend or dearest love of their own character, they demonize the other and think of their fave character as abused and long-suffering.

*sigh*

Anyway, we've strayed far enough off topic to warrant a rescue party. Though I've noticed the same thing with Leela and Amy - people who like one are harsher than I think is deserved on the other one. 

You can't have drama without conflict, and you can only have so much "conflict with outside forces"; conflict between two sympathetic characters can be very powerful and involving.  Why do some people feel they can't have sympathy for BOTH characters?  I kinda wish fans would try more often to see things from more than one point of view, and just like who they like without feeling they have to dis anyone else.

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« Reply #82 on: 06-09-2006 20:15 »

I wasn't going to post in this thread again, but...

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
People talk about Leela's flaws and breeze right over Fry's.

Even a casual search through this forum will reveal dozens of threads about how stupid Fry is.  People don't ignore Fry's flaws; they like him because of his flaws.

 
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What they seem to fail to realize is that both of them need to change themselves. Come to think of it, seeing as it's Leela, Fry would be the easiest to change.

Leela doesn't need to change.  Fry likes her just fine the way she is.

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Anyway, we've strayed far enough off topic to warrant a rescue party.

I blame myself.   wink

 
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I kinda wish fans would try more often to see things from more than one point of view, and just like who they like without feeling they have to dis anyone else.

No offense, but that's kinda what I was thinking when I read your posts about Michelle.
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« Reply #83 on: 06-10-2006 01:02 »

Yeah, but I actually really like Michelle as a character.  She's a great villainess of the "bad girlfriend" variety.  She's supposed to be unsympathetic, which is why I enjoy getting all riled up at her. 

Ranting about the heavies - Michelle, or Mom, or Alkazar, or even Zapp - isn't quite the same thing as demonizing one of the show's heroes.  What stumps me is seeing two equally flawed, but equally sympathetic, major characters - and whitewashing one while condemning the other. I don't quite get it. 

Fry gets some flak for being stupid, it's true, but usually numerous people pop up to defend him.  I joined Venus in defending Leela 'cause it seemed like only a few others would.  I also defend Amy from the charges of "slut" and "bitch," and argue fiercely with anyone who says she's just toying with Kif, is only using him to tick off her parents, and is sleeping around behind his back (how anyone could watch "300 Big Boys" and think that is beyond my ability to fathom). 

On the bright side, at least Bender escapes this trap.  I don't know of anyone who hates him or resents him for being a dirty doublecrossing alchokleptoegomaniac.  The closest he gets to criticism is that some people hate his occasional sensitive or sweet moment but it's hard to really hate someone for being nice without looking pretty silly.  tongue


Anyway (she said desperately)...we've hijacked this thread far enough.  I guess we should find another place this debate would suit more, though I'm nearly talked out (course, that's what I thought last time....  roll eyes )
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« Reply #84 on: 06-10-2006 13:34 »
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Ok, Leela would have to change her flaws regarding Fry, and her rejection of him. Sorry, I thought I said that.
But I can't blame Leela totally for rejecting him. So if Leela could 'loosen up', so to speak, and Fry 'mature' (a little), so to speak, I would consider the unwanted flaws removed. But by no means do we want the the character's individuality messed with by this, not the reasons why they like each other.

And about Bender... I thought his sweetest moment was in 'Leela's Homeworld', when he said 'Aww...' at the end, with no evil laughing or selfish ramifications. It was little, but it was tantamount to Spock smiling and yelling 'Jim!' in the Star Trek episode 'Amok Time'. *sniff*...

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« Reply #85 on: 06-10-2006 23:20 »

You're so right about that, Xanfor.  <insert "sappy, melty smile" emoticon here>
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« Reply #86 on: 06-10-2006 23:55 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
David A might be onto something. Amy simply appeal more to the average internet surfer, who isn't a Futurama fan, because she is, well, normal.

  Considering the deep hole Voyager (no, CyberKnight, this is not the time for another DS9/V'ger debate    wink ) dug the franchise into, and how badly Enterprise fare in the ratings, I'd say that's a safe bet.   big grin

But let's all remember the wise words of David Cohen: "There is no greater beauty than a face of imperfection."

I Disagree just 'cause you don't watch futurama doesn't mean you can't tell who's sexy and Are you sayin' leela aint perfect 'cause I can't think of one thing about her I don't like She's Gorgeous   flirt  Besides I never really liked normalcy Sometimes I do stuff just 'cause noone else will


   evil laugh

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Xanfor

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« Reply #87 on: 06-11-2006 08:23 »

 
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"There is no greater beauty than a face of imperfection."

You sure DXC said that? I thought it was Aristole or something...  wink

But, yeah, I'd give her a chance. Even if it is only to spite the 'beautiful people' system. Believe it or not, a lot of things I do I do just to spite the system.  smile

And Shiny, for being such a shippy friend, I found this very shippy picture by Sofie Fenwick!



Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #88 on: 06-15-2006 02:18 »

Also  that website kinda' proves leela's hotter I mean the top one was a rabbit  puke ,I mean beastiality can we really trust them to tell us who's hot?  confused   eek 

Leela Rules
Xanfor

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« Reply #89 on: 06-15-2006 09:30 »

A brief bump backwards...

 
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Originally posted by Shiny: I've noticed a pattern in fandom...whenever there is conflict between two characters, a lot of people begin to take sides with whoever they identify with the most.  They then see all their chosen character's actions in the best possible light, and the other character's actions in the WORST possible light.  It doesn't matter that the "other person" may be the best friend or dearest love of their own character, they demonize the other and think of their fave character as abused and long-suffering.

Just wanted to say that I don't believe that any one of them is to blame. They both are.

Just making a point, don't need to answer this if you don't want to...

Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #90 on: 06-15-2006 14:44 »

Go LEELA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David A

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« Reply #91 on: 06-15-2006 19:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Pedro La Loco:
the top one was a rabbit

Jessica Rabbit isn't a rabbit.
Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #92 on: 06-16-2006 19:52 »

 confused
Shiny

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« Reply #93 on: 06-16-2006 22:14 »

*sigh* 

Jessica Rabbit is married to Roger Rabbit, and therefore her last name is "Rabbit;"  but she is drawn as a human.


What do they teach in schools these days?
Turdius Maximus

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« Reply #94 on: 06-21-2006 01:44 »

Dunno, but I think Pedro could do with some biology lessons...
Pedro La Loco

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« Reply #95 on: 06-21-2006 14:22 »

Biology?  confused

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fryed4life

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« Reply #96 on: 07-06-2006 19:21 »

jessica rabbit is perfect.but i beleive leela would kick her ass.amy doesnt have much chance either, rich girls cannot fight.In my opnion.

leela will kickbox your face.
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