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MrShinymetalass

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« Reply #40 on: 05-07-2006 07:09 »

amy definetely. i mean, at least you have a very good chance with her as she'll go for anyone unless the're ugly. And asians are just hot.And leela always wears the same stuff and when she wears something different i think she's not any hotter. Amy has some really cute outfits-see  http://www.geocities.com/payndz2/amywears.html
 
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« Reply #41 on: 05-07-2006 12:53 »

Not only were Leela and Amy on that list, so was Lois from Family Guy.  Too bad Francine from American Dad wasn't there. 
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« Reply #42 on: 05-07-2006 13:02 »

How could American Dad, which was created in 2005, be in a list done in 2003?
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« Reply #43 on: 05-07-2006 13:34 »

Time warp, Beamer, time warp.
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« Reply #44 on: 05-07-2006 22:33 »

It's maaaaaaaagic.
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« Reply #45 on: 05-11-2006 10:37 »

Got it.

No, no, you people are not looking at the whole picture!  wink Leela is the one looking for a long term relationship, see? (Although I guess since Amy's rich... Ooo, blackmail!)

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« Reply #46 on: 05-12-2006 03:45 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
I have a theory:

Leela is mainly attractive due to her personality.  Fans of Futurama consider her cute because they are familiar with her from watching the show.

Attraction to Amy is based more on appearance.  She's still cute, even out of context.  Therefore, to the average person, (not just to Futurama fans), Amy is cuter.

Talk about bumping a post.
 
Personally I find Leela as sexy as hell, I don't find Amy half as attractive. But I agree Amy is probably easier to relate to if you're not familiar with the show. Cuteness isn't the only thing definition of attractiveness though, I don't find Leela cute at all but that doesn't affect how I  feel.

I have another theory. Most of the people who post here are kids and they relate to Amy more because she seems more childish whereas Leela is an adult.
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« Reply #47 on: 05-12-2006 10:51 »

Plus, Leela is so, how should I say this... Closed off and alone. That adds in another factor. A 'damsel in distress who is refusing to be saved' sort of factor. If a anyone actually managed to get through to her, he would be very lucky indeed.  Fry has already managed this to some extent.

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« Reply #48 on: 05-12-2006 14:01 »

 
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Originally posted by Chug a Bug:
 Talk about bumping a post.

Hey, feel free.  I think that my theory is just as valid now as it was when I posted it.

 
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Cuteness isn't the only thing definition of attractiveness though, I don't find Leela cute at all but that doesn't affect how I  feel.

Yeah, that was pretty much the point I was making about Leela.

 
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I have another theory. Most of the people who post here are kids and they relate to Amy more because she seems more childish whereas Leela is an adult.

I don't know about that.  I mean, in many ways that's true: Leela's been an adult most of her life, what with being an orphan and having had to fend for herself from a young age, whereas Amy is a spoiled rich kid who only works a Planet Express as part of a college internship, and has enough money in her trust fund that she never has to grow up if she doesn't want to; but when it comes to relationships, I think it's the other way around.  Amy was mature enough to remain friends with Fry after he broke up with her, and she's certainly mature enough to have a long-term relationship with Kif, even managing to deal with such complications as an unexpected pregnancy.  On the other hand, Leela spends most of her time running away from the prospect of a romantic relationship with the one guy she's met who seems to genuinely care about her.

But maybe I'm getting off-topic here...
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« Reply #49 on: 05-14-2006 00:05 »
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 I don't know about that.  I mean, in many ways that's true: Leela's been an adult most of her life, what with being an orphan and having had to fend for herself from a young age, whereas Amy is a spoiled rich kid who only works a Planet Express as part of a college internship, and has enough money in her trust fund that she never has to grow up if she doesn't want to; but when it comes to relationships, I think it's the other way around.  Amy was mature enough to remain friends with Fry after he broke up with her, and she's certainly mature enough to have a long-term relationship with Kif, even managing to deal with such complications as an unexpected pregnancy.  On the other hand, Leela spends most of her time running away from the prospect of a romantic relationship with the one guy she's met who seems to genuinely care about her.



Good points.

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« Reply #50 on: 05-21-2006 14:06 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Yeah, that was pretty much the point I was making about Leela.

Dude I think you missed my point, I was saying I find Leela more attractive physcially it's not just her personality though that certainly helps. Maybe its a difference of the usage of the word "cute" we have.

 
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But maybe I'm getting off-topic here...

Interesting argument, I'm not sure I want to go into it, though.

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« Reply #51 on: 05-23-2006 14:41 »
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Some people find "tough" as attractive as "cute."  After all, Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton didn't get all those fanboys' fantasies revved up for nothing....   flirt
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« Reply #52 on: 05-24-2006 21:02 »

One vote for Amy right here.
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« Reply #53 on: 05-24-2006 21:23 »

What? Well, at least you've left Leela free...

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« Reply #54 on: 05-25-2006 08:53 »

Amy rocks over Leela any day on Futurama because shes nicer,rich,not as bossy,gets along with her co-workers and gave fry a chance in dating.
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« Reply #55 on: 05-25-2006 08:57 »

Yeah, Amy's cute, but Leela is not only beautiful, but is also unattainable. Now that's irony.

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« Reply #56 on: 05-25-2006 15:44 »

I don't think Fry likes her because she's unattainable, I think he just likes "tough chicks," like a lot of other sf fans.  He's mentioned Xena a couple of times, and Janeway (however dumb I thought Voyager was, I believed Janeway as Captain, she totally reminded me of Katherine Hepburn, who I'd follow into the mouth of Hell if she were my commanding officer... ).  He's never come out and mentioned Ripley, but I find it hard to beleive he didn't have a crush on her, too.
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« Reply #57 on: 05-25-2006 15:50 »

Good point.

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« Reply #58 on: 05-26-2006 16:20 »

yes it seems fry tends to like more tougher girls.
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« Reply #59 on: 05-26-2006 23:44 »

'Cause they can take care of him!

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« Reply #60 on: 05-27-2006 00:27 »

Considering who Fry's last girlfriend before he met Leela was, it's not surprising that he'd be attracted to someone with similar personality traits.
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« Reply #61 on: 05-27-2006 00:51 »

Maybe...

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« Reply #62 on: 05-27-2006 08:47 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Considering who Fry's last girlfriend before he met Leela was, it's not surprising that he'd be attracted to someone with similar personality traits.

Wh-aaaat?  Tell me you're joking, David A - tell me you didn't just compare Leela to Michelle.

Michelle is the very opposite of a tough chick - but not in the relatively innocent way Amy is.  Michelle is flagrantly manipulative, so weak and/or lazy she's trying to use Fry (Fry!) as her ticket to high status and comfort.  She accomplishes nothing herself, but insists someone else get her everything she wants - and as long as she has what she wants, she doesn't give a fart in a high wind how miserable Fry (or her current victim) is made in the process.  She is the very definition of a user, and she's not even that good at it - no doubt Fry was her project because he's mutable enough to go along with nearly everything she suggests, no matter how outrageous.  But even Fry wised up, albeit only after she convinced him to abandon everyone and everything he cared about (conveniently getting him away from his support system, leaving herself as his only confidant) just so SHE wouldn't be put to the trouble of adjusting to a future time alone.  And, after manuvering him into entering a potentially deadly contest for no goal other than her own ego, she has the gall to blame HIM for the string of disasters her decisions caused!

Whereas Leela is self-reliant, asks no one to do anything she wouldn't do herself, and cares so much about her friends she frequently risks her OWN life to save them from the danger their own decisions got them into. 

When she nags Fry to improve himself, it's not for her benefit, it's because she honestly thinks HE will be better off.  Sometime's she's wrong, but she's right often enough (and she goes to great lengths to save his bacon often enough) that a bit of nagging and ill-temper is understandable.

If you ever wondered what the difference is between "assertive" and "bitchy," Leela and Michelle make a perfect compare & contrast case.

Now...is it going to be laser pistols at dawn, or what?

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« Reply #63 on: 06-01-2006 17:25 »

 
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 Wh-aaaat?  Tell me you're joking, David A - tell me you didn't just compare Leela to Michelle.

Yeah, I did.

I'm not saying that Leela treats Fry the same way that Michelle does, but they are both somewhat bossy.  For whatever reason, Fry seems to respond well to bossy women.  (Morgan Proctor is another example.)

 
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When she nags Fry to improve himself, it's not for her benefit, it's because she honestly thinks HE will be better off.

Michelle probably thinks so too.

She's wrong, but that doesn't keep her from thinking it.

 
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If you ever wondered what the difference is between "assertive" and "bitchy," Leela and Michelle make a perfect compare & contrast case.

Being assertive and being bitchy aren't the same thing, but that doesn't mean that they aren't similar traits.  If they weren't, you wouldn't need to compare and contrast.

 
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Now...is it going to be laser pistols at dawn, or what?

Nah, I don't get up that early.  I guess you'll just have to shoot yourself.

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« Reply #64 on: 06-02-2006 16:57 »
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EDIT: this post makes no useful contribution to the topic and would be deleted if all were right in the world.
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« Reply #65 on: 06-02-2006 18:30 »
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Some people find "tough" as attractive as "cute."  After all, Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton didn't get all those fanboys' fantasies revved up for nothing....                    flirt


You have a point..                  wink Personally I don't go for those two but yes I do find strong women attractive, some of them at any rate and Leela is certainly one. But it's not just that I find her more attractive physically too.

                 
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I don't think Fry likes her because she's unattainable, I think he just likes "tough chicks," like a lot of other sf fans.  He's mentioned Xena a couple of times, and Janeway (however dumb I thought Voyager was, I believed Janeway as Captain, she totally reminded me of Katherine Hepburn, who I'd follow into the mouth of Hell if she were my commanding officer... ).  He's never come out and mentioned Ripley, but I find it hard to beleive he didn't have a crush on her, too.

Unattainability is part of her attraction for him I think although it's not all of it. I don't think it's necessarily related to how tough she is. He just plain fancies her.              wink It's  due mainly to the fact that they spend so much time together I think, it's only natural that feelings should develop on at least one side or the other.

       
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Being assertive and being bitchy aren't the same thing, but that doesn't mean that they aren't similar traits.  If they weren't, you wouldn't need to compare and contrast.

Nah.. Amy can be bitchy but she sure ain't assertive.

I think you've got a point about him falling in with, uh, strong willed females though but I don't think it's necessarily about he's attracted to them for that alone. It's more like he kind of falls in them by default i.e. they're almost mother figures who make the decisions for him which he's unable to make on his own.
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« Reply #66 on: 06-02-2006 21:43 »

 
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                 Nah.. Amy can be bitchy but she sure ain't assertive.

 roll eyes  Try reading the part of my post that you just quoted again.

 
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I think you've got a point about him falling in with, uh, strong willed females though but I don't think it's necessarily about he's attracted to them for that alone. It's more like he kind of falls in them by default i.e. they're almost mother figures who make the decisions for him which he's unable to make on his own.

Possibly.  Whatever the reason, I do think it's worth noting that Michelle, Leela, and Morgan all fall into this category.

...and now we're so far off topic that I can't even see the original topic from here.
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« Reply #67 on: 06-03-2006 05:22 »


 
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I'm not saying that Leela treats Fry the same way that Michelle does, but they are both somewhat bossy.  For whatever reason, Fry seems to respond well to bossy women.  (Morgan Proctor is another example.)

Granted.  He also responds well to Bender's bossiness, though, so I don't think it's a matter of romantic attraction.  And I wonder if it's not simply a matter of Fry being so easygoing that 'bossiness' doesn't faze him.

 
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Shiny: When she nags Fry to improve himself, it's not for her benefit, it's because she honestly thinks HE will be better off.

DavidA: Michelle probably thinks so too.  She's wrong, but that doesn't keep her from thinking it.

Nah.  She doesn't even think it.  Take a close look at "Cryonic Woman;" everything Michelle prompts Fry to do is for HER benefit, and hers alone. 

Get frozen with me so all we have is each other = Leave the life YOU love and come be a confused stranger in a strange land, like I am now, so that I'm not alone in being confused and displaced. 

Build us a shelter = do all the work so that I can sit around on my butt and whine like I just told you not to do, even though I'm the one who brought us to this burnt and barren wasteland, and my limbs are perfectly healthy and capable of physical work.

You need more ambition = risk your life just to get ME the power and status I crave.

Stop standing UP for yourself, Fry! = um...well...that's pretty self-explanatory, really.

Note, I'm not really making interpretations, here...she states her selfish motives OUTRIGHT in most cases.

Fry's benefit is the LAST thing on Michelle's mind.  It doesn't even seem to register on her radar screen, except as a way to convince him to do what she wants.

 
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Being assertive and being bitchy aren't the same thing, but that doesn't mean that they aren't similar traits.  If they weren't, you wouldn't need to compare and contrast.

Well, they are two behaviors that share certain similarities on the surface...like proactive behavior, loudness of voice, conspicuous pursuit of (apparently) clearly stated goals...

But assertiveness springs from confidence, surety in one's own value and abilities, whereas bitchiness (in this sense) comes from a complete LACK of confidence - from feeling that you can't accomplish anything yourself, that you need to get someone else to do it for you, and that they'll never just want to do it for you on their own, so you have to pressure them into it with nagging, cajoling, or scorn.

So I think of them as opposites rather than as truly similar things.  Courage and bravado may resemble each other, but they're NOT the same thing at all.

 
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Shiny: Now...is it going to be laser pistols at dawn, or what?

David: Nah, I don't get up that early.

Excellent....a sleeping target is so much easier prey.  evil laugh

 
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I guess you'll just have to shoot yourself.

Hah!  I'm a WAY better shot than that.  (I've only shot once, but apparently I'm a natural...my friend said the class instructor was boggling at my accuracy behind my back.  I still have my paper silhouette somewhere, must dig it out).


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« Reply #68 on: 06-04-2006 17:26 »
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Try reading the part of my post that you just quoted again.

I did, and they're still wholly dissimilar.     tongue
 
I was going to post a lengthy reply to this but Shiny's argued it well enough already.

 
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He also responds well to Bender's bossiness, though, so I don't think it's a matter of romantic attraction. And I wonder if it's not simply a matter of Fry being so easygoing that 'bossiness' doesn't faze him.

I have to agree.
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« Reply #69 on: 06-05-2006 11:12 »

I have to interject (I _always_ have to interject) with a comment regarding Leela and Amy.

Leela is the ship's captain.  She has to be pretty much no-nonsense and assertive.  Otherwise, there would be many more mutinies.  And catastrophes.

Amy is an engineering grad student with the same blood type as the Professor's.  She's a great secondary character, with occasional starring roles.  But essentially, Amy is Fry with a little more brains and a lot more money.  (And the Amy/Fry similarities are what brought them together in PYHoMS, the two-headed Amy episode.)

But on the one hand, Amy is too similar to Fry for them to be romatically engaged more than momentarily.  On one of the several other hands, Leela brings to Fry all the strengths he lacks, and Fry does the same for Leela.  Leela balances Fry's doofiness; Fry balances Leela's loneliness and her cold practicality.

This romantic arc between Fry and Leela has been developing since the first season, though it shows up more in the later ones.  And the switch of Amy's affections to Kif -- who is essentially Fry, except an alien, more romantic, and more competent -- that switch makes much sense. 

Of course, your mileage may differ regarding your favorite female PE employee.  They're both great characters.  But I find it hard to see the series developing into anything but a Fry/Leela hindered romance.  (With Amy and Kif, and Bender, the Prof, Zoidberg, et al, occasionally taking center stage.)


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« Reply #70 on: 06-06-2006 21:05 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Well, they are two behaviors that share certain similarities on the surface...like proactive behavior, loudness of voice, conspicuous pursuit of (apparently) clearly stated goals...

But assertiveness springs from confidence, surety in one's own value and abilities, whereas bitchiness (in this sense) comes from a complete LACK of confidence - from feeling that you can't accomplish anything yourself, that you need to get someone else to do it for you, and that they'll never just want to do it for you on their own, so you have to pressure them into it with nagging, cajoling, or scorn.

So I think of them as opposites rather than as truly similar things. Courage and bravado may resemble each other, but they're NOT the same thing at all.

Good for you.  Unfortunately, it doesn't matter whether or not you think that they're the same thing.  It only matters if Fry can tell the difference, and judging from "Brannigan Begin Again" it seems likely that he can't.

 
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And the switch of Amy's affections to Kif -- who is essentially Fry, except an alien, more romantic, and more competent -- that switch makes much sense.

That's an interesting way of looking at it; one that I hadn't considered.
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« Reply #71 on: 06-06-2006 21:27 »

I doubt Fry took the time to analyze the difference much in "Brannigan Begin Again." His whole reasoning process seemed to be somethingn like "...underpants good...work bad...death UUUNNNGGGHH!"

Also, that was very early on.  He wasn't in love with her yet, and since your premise is that he's attracted to bossiness in women, I'd say that's a bit of negative evidence...  wink
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« Reply #72 on: 06-06-2006 21:38 »

Fry's been attracted to Leela since the first episode.  Anyone that says otherwise hasn't been paying attention.
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« Reply #73 on: 06-07-2006 02:22 »

Dude, I doubt if you've spent nearly the amount of time I have analyzing every last nuance of every last nanosecond of Fry and Leela's relationship from the minute that door to her office slid open to the last sight of their bad holophoner avatars vanishing into the distance...and beyond.

I mean no offense - I'm not trying to imply that you're not up to my level of Futurama geekiness or anything - it's just, A, You're a male and I'm a female, and analyzing relationships to death is what my gender is trained to do since birth in this culture; B, I'm somewhat obsessive and anal retentive, and analyzing EVERYTHING to death is something I have compulsively done almost since birth; and C, while I hide the full extent of it, at heart I'm really just a big, sappy, pathetic, mushy, romantic fool who gleefully wallows in shippiness six times before breakfast every day - and you just don't strike me that way.  (Correct me if I'm wrong, please.  wink )

Anyway - I know very well Fry was attracted to Leela from day 1, but "attracted to" and "in love with" are not the same thing. 

And the thing is, even if they were the same thing, then this episode still scores points against your premise that Fry finds bossiness attractive.  He wasn't attracted enough to Leela in BBA to even think twice about holding a mutiny (although he did have the grace to be ashamed when she brought up their friendship, he still found underpants more attractive than Leela here...his OWN underpants, even.   hmpf )

If anything, BBA is evidence that Fry was turned OFF by Leela's cracking down so hard in this ep (I never said she couldn't occasionally be bitchy - heck, even Amy can be bitchy - just that bitchiness is not her standard mode).  So I think it clearly indicates that Fry does differentiate between "tough and capable" and "bitchy," and has very different emotional reactions to each...

And one more thing(briefly, 'cause I have a day job): while he had an affair with Morgan, he didn't seem to LIKE her much.  SHE was the one attracted to HIM; Fry happily took what came his way, because why the hell not, but there was no sign that he'd have pursued her if she hadn't played tongue hockey with his tonsils first.

Over and out...  sleep
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« Reply #74 on: 06-07-2006 03:37 »

 
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Anyway - I know very well Fry was attracted to Leela from day 1, but "attracted to" and "in love with" are not the same thing.

Whoever said that they were?  Not I.  I never claimed that Fry was in love with anything, I only said that he was attracted to certain personality traits.  I really don't understand what you think that Fry not being in love with Leela in a certain episode has to do with anything.

To be honest, reading your posts is really quite strange, since you seem to put a lot of effort into arguing against points that I didn't even make.  I mean, I'll go back and reread my posts if you like, but I'm pretty sure that I never claimed that "assertive" and "bitchy" were the same thing.  Yet you spent several paragraphs trying to educate me on the difference between the two.  Well guess what?  I never said that they weren't different.  Futhermore, I don't even care.  The difference is irrelevant to the point that I was making.

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« Reply #75 on: 06-07-2006 07:57 »
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@David A: Us shippers are compelled to explain things deeply.

@Shiny: Don't you dare tell me you've spent more time than me analyzing their relationship! Seriously.        wink

Meanwhile... Fry admits to Leela that he loves her in 'Parasites Lost'. So, Leela must've thought the worms had something to do with that, otherwise, she would at least have given him a chance. (Perhaps she could have just said she didn't want a backrub from him? Or tell him that no reasonable woman would?)

However, if the worms were the cause of actually causing him to love her, as Leela thought, why would he have said 'I always have'? Could Leela be the one at fault here? And could it help, or, what would happen, if Fry told Leela that he loved her again? Of course, it would have to be done correctly, otherwise Leela will misunderstand, and possibly think she's being used again. She may have reason to believe Fry is capable of tricking her ('Time Keeps on Slippin''), and seems to push all the good moments between each other into the back of her memory.

But, despite all this, I believe that Fry could handle a rejection. A solid rejection. Maybe. If Leela would only give it! She never tells him the real reason she won't go out with him. Why not? All that could happen is that he won't stop (so nothing lost there), he will stop (good), or he'll actually see the problem and work on it and try to improve himself. Granted this may seem far-fetched for Fry, but remember, we're talking about Leela here.

So all she gives is excuses. Leaving her options open, maybe? Why no solid rejection, which Fry just might be able to take? She tries to push him away, but besides being in a unfavorable position (perhaps not really wanting to) and pushing in an ineffective manner, she's not even pushing all the time. Recall 'The Why of Fry' and other such shippy episodes? Heck, she practically pulled him in that episode! And she's one to complain about Fry not giving up on her. It's not like she helps! Sheesh, if she's going to dump him, treat him like a human being and not a yo-yo for God's sake!

And tell me, does anybody think that the sight of parallel married them in Universe 1 did anything to convince Leela that they could be right for each other just the way they were? It certainly would have made me think.

Just pushed back into the back of her mind along with all those other moments when she didn't reject Fry and then subconsiously confuses him by contradicting herself later. (I say subconsiously because I doubt that Fry is aware enough to notice it consiously. What person in love would be?)

       
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You know, I could rephrase this another way:
Fry loves Leela. Therefore, he wants to be her friend, and do anything he can for her. Leela likes this, and therefore accepts his help and friendship, yet keeps their relationship at a standstill because she's is afraid that if she promotes him up to the level of an actual person, (aka, Adalai, Chaz) he won't care as much anymore.

Doesn't make sense to me, yet that's what I see.
Now I'm depressed.  cry

Granted, this is phrased in the worst possible manner, but it actually seems to somewhat accurately descibe their 'condition'. That should have made you a shipper if you aren't already. And if you aren't, you hate Fry! And Leela I guess! And Bender's banjo!

 
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Originally posted by TomAllen:

Leela brings to Fry all the strengths he lacks, and Fry does the same for Leela. Leela balances Fry's doofiness; Fry balances Leela's loneliness and her cold practicality.

Presisely. It would if somebody gave someone a chance...

And what's the deal with airline food?

Eh-hem.

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« Reply #76 on: 06-07-2006 08:44 »
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Originally posted by David A:To be honest, reading your posts is really quite strange, since you seem to put a lot of effort into arguing against points that I didn't even make.  I mean, I'll go back and reread my posts if you like, but I'm pretty sure that I never claimed that "assertive" and "bitchy" were the same thing.  Yet you spent several paragraphs trying to educate me on the difference between the two.  Well guess what?  I never said that they weren't different...

You said "Considering who Fry's last girlfriend before he met Leela was, it's not surprising that he'd be attracted to someone with similar personality traits.

I took objection to likening Leela's independent toughness to Michelle's manipulative bitchiness...I can't otherwise imagine what you thought Leela and
Michelle had in common, as they seem to me to be as different as two women can be, and the comparison is very insulting to Leela - whom I feel compelled protect from all unfair slanders (she seems to get more than her share of them).

And I put a lot of effort into arguing things WAY less important than minor points of animated sitcom characters's relationships.  Thaaaat's just what I do, y'know?.....   wink
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« Reply #77 on: 06-07-2006 08:50 »

How dare you call 'Futurama' a sitcom! You're not a shipper unless it's nothing to you but a bittersweet romance!

David A

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« Reply #78 on: 06-07-2006 15:52 »

 
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Originally posted by Xanfor:
Meanwhile... Fry admits to Leela that he loves her in 'Parasites Lost'. So, Leela must've thought the worms had something to do with that, otherwise, she would at least have given him a chance. (Perhaps she could have just said she didn't want a backrub from him? Or tell him that no reasonable woman would?)

I think that she was still willing to give him a chance until he mentioned Amy.  Bringing up ex-girlfriends is a big turn-off for most women.

Otherwise, you make a lot of good points.

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
  You said "Considering who Fry's last girlfriend before he met Leela was, it's not surprising that he'd be attracted to someone with similar personality traits.

I took objection to likening Leela's independent toughness to Michelle's manipulative bitchiness...I can't otherwise imagine what you thought Leela and
Michelle had in common, as they seem to me to be as different as two women can be,

Notice that I said "similar", not "the same".  I did so for a reason.  And since you yourself conceded that "they are two behaviors that share certain similarities on the surface" I'll consider the matter closed, since you agreed with what I actually said, despite arguing about things that I never said.

 
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and the comparison is very insulting to Leela - whom I feel compelled protect from all unfair slanders (she seems to get more than her share of them).

Well, I don't think it is unfair slander.  Leela is not perfect, and she does have flaws.  Which is a good thing, because she'd be a lot less interesting otherwise.

 
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Xanfor again:
How dare you call 'Futurama' a sitcom! You're not a shipper unless it's nothing to you but a bittersweet romance!

Technically, it's an action sci-fi comedy drama.   wink
Shiny

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« Reply #79 on: 06-07-2006 22:02 »

I see your point, and no problem...I'll just clarify one teensy thing more....

Notice I said "unfair" slanders, and "more than her share of them."  I love that Leela's flawed, and I have no objection to her getting her fair share of criticism.  But I've seen people go way beyond that with Leela (while excusing Fry's flaws right and left). So if I was a tad overquick in rising to her defense, I apologize.  I also assumed that you were acting the role of gadfly and wanted to generate some controversy (you have played Devil's Advocate before, so it wasn't completely unreasonable); next time I'll check before jumping into the fray.    smile
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