transgender nerd under canada
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Anyway I don't want a token gay character, because we already have Randy, and I just find it tiresome that pretty much every gay character on tv is either a token or a complete stereotype. It's not like Hermes's entire character hinges on being a stoner.
Don't forget, there's a mathematical implication. In any cast of characters numbering under ten that aren't the inhabitants of a Gay Village, a gay character is statistically a token. For every homosexual, there are nine straight people. That's a generous estimate that may well be skewed towards homosexuals, in fact. Have a couple of sources for that. I'm feeling generous. If you have a cast of twenty character, you can realistically get away with having two gay people in there and still maintaining the "representative of real life" feeling that's integral to having a believable population for your make-believe world. Suspension of disbelief gets really stretched when you try to squeeze more of a particular type of person into a population than actually exists naturally though. You'll either end up making a programme that feels like it's an all-gay show (Will and Grace suffered from that problem, and it's down to the size of the regular cast. Even though not everybody was gay, there was more gay floating around than you'd find on the street. It stretched the suspension of disbelief rather a lot) or you'll end up with one gay character who feels like a token, simply because they're surrounded by a much larger number of straight characters. Either way it feels forced, because it doesn't mesh well with reality. The fact is that we don't know how many Futurama characters might be gay. Fishy Joe Gillman, for example. Have we ever been told his sexual orientation? Feel free to imagine him as gay. Does it change anything? No. Excellent. There's now a recurring gay character in Futurama, and I hope that you're satisfied with that, because I think I'm done with this thread. It's been hijacked by somebody whining about a perceived lack of catering to their minority social-interest group (a group I happen to be sympathetic towards, but I hate people whining about a perceived lack of catering to their minority social-interest groups). * tnuk swirls his cape and departs.
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SpaceGoldfish fromWazn
Urban Legend
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« Reply #681 on: 09-03-2011 00:37 »
« Last Edit on: 09-03-2011 00:39 »
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So...
In order to have a gay character, you must make the entire cast gay, or have none at all so they're not a token?
...sorry. I'm not buying that at all. You mean the show where odors can carry across vacuums, heads can survive in jars and be fed on goldfish flakes, every alien lifeform seems to speak perfect english, and male frog aliens can become pregnant through holding hands, a homemade spaceship can move the entire universe around it, a woman with no depth perception is one of the best pilots around, but having one or two gay NPCs is... unrealistic and will only feel forced? Right. I suppose we should recolor Hermes into being a white man with a blonde wife, otherwise people might think the writers are trying to fill a minority quota. They already have a one eyed mutant and a lobster and a chinese girl with a robot fetish, having a black guy as well? Now that's just pushing it...
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DannyJC13
DOOP Secretary
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Bender, I never liked Bender.
Care to explain why. Or are you just trolling?
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coldangel
DOOP Secretary
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So you like the Number 9 guy? Me too.
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zlawke
Crustacean
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I. LOVE. ZALEX. <3
Best character ever. iZac is the second.
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coldangel
DOOP Secretary
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Doctor McCoy is the best character. RIP DeForest Kelley.
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zlawke
Crustacean
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No, I meant that if Zylex and iZac are the best characters, I've got to be missing something. haha.
But still love iZac, it's a very good tetriary character. I considered most of BBS new characters as the worst - Nudar and his fellas, Cahill, Leelu, Lars (he was so boring). Comparing to them, Zylex was the best, really Grrrl was also a very annoying character _-_
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DannyJC13
DOOP Secretary
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What?! Lars was awesome. And Nudar* is equally as awesome! *DXC said Nudar is his favourite character.
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zlawke
Crustacean
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And Nudar* is equally as awesome!
*DXC said Nudar is his favourite character.
Gross nerds like each other :P I also knew from Infosphere that Boxy is Josh Weinstein's favourite character. As you can see, every character can be someone's favourite. Even Zylex or I.C. Weiner.
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Gorky
DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #704 on: 10-01-2011 19:35 »
« Last Edit on: 10-01-2011 19:37 »
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I liked Lars a lot. I liked the idea of Lars and his implications for the F/L ship, even if some reset button got pressed in BwaBB.
I agree with this, though I do think that it was a lot more fun to watch the Fry who stayed back in the twenty-first century becoming Lars than it was to watch Lars interact with Leela in the present of BBS. I get what the writers were trying to do with Lars, and I appreciate that they added some little touches (the "Up and away!" thing when he puts Hermes's head in a jar; the champagne glass balancing act at Elzar's; "Is the screaming upsetting you?") to make him seem more Fry-like. But I don't know. There's a certain blandness to him, especially when you watch the movie the first time and don't realize that he's actually Fry. I wouldn't say that he's all that compelling a character until you watch the movie all the way through, and understand what was really going on with the guy. Like, he's retroactively an interesting character, if that makes any sense.
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Gorky
DOOP Secretary
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But it became a lot deeper when I watched it a second time (and then again and again and again) and knew it was Fry all the time.
Exactly. I feel like I've said this before, but if you watch BBS with the knowledge that Lars is Fry, it sort of becomes the heartwarming-est, shippiest episode ever. I mean, there's all that Lars-is-the-only-man-Leela-will-ever-love stuff, which is pretty damn telling. I have some problems with BBS, but I think the Lars thing was really freaking brilliant, in theory if not entirely in execution.
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zlawke
Crustacean
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BBS was a total piece of shit and an insult to the series. Lars have a different personality and couldn't be Fry's copy, also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is. BBS ruined such great episodes like Space Pilot 3000, Jurassic Bark or The Luck Of The Fryrish. Add gross toilet humor (eating hair from ass made me vomit!), annoying new characters and you have worst Futurama ever. Hate it!
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DannyJC13
DOOP Secretary
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BBS was a total piece of shit and an insult to the series. Lars have a different personality and couldn't be Fry's copy, also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is. BBS ruined such great episodes like Space Pilot 3000, Jurassic Bark or The Luck Of The Fryrish. Add gross toilet humor (eating hair from ass made me vomit!), annoying new characters and you have worst Futurama ever. Hate it!
Way too far. Bender's Big Score is the best out of the 4 movies.
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zlawke
Crustacean
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I think you meant to say: The hardest in viewing. The best movie is ITWGY/BG. TBWABB is avarage (great first half and week second). Only one scene in BBS I really enjoyed was Battle For Earth, nothing more positive to say about that crap.
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DannyJC13
DOOP Secretary
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« Reply #712 on: 10-02-2011 20:14 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2011 20:16 »
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No, your reasons are just stupid. Lars wasn't Fry's copy? He was 12 years older than Fry. He was more mature. He had grown up. also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is.
That makes no sense. Okay, Applied Cryogenics has been visited before BBS, did it ruin SP3 then? No. Seymour looked fine. We saw how he got solidified in dolomite. He was happy with Fry for 12 years. We saw the clover like once. HOLY SHIT IT RUINED ALL OF LUCK OF THE FRYRISH. The toilet humour: Maybe if you actually listened to the commentary, everyone jokes about it in a GOOD WAY. And it's not as bad as Attack of the Killer App.
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Gorky
DOOP Secretary
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And I don't think Leela suddenly decided that she could love Fry because she loved Lars. I think she had preexisting, possibly dormant feelings for Fry that were inexplicably amplified and displaced to Lars when she first met him. At the end of the movie, with the reveal that Lars was essentially Fry, Leela realized that Fry (to borrow dialogue from "Rebirth," any Fry) was the only man she could ever love.
I think it's a fine distinction, but still. Leela didn't "settle" for the current Fry in the hopes that he would one day mature into Lars; she realized that everything Lars was, Fry already was, too (after all, Fry essentially goes through an arc with Leela that is identical to the one that Lars goes through with Leelu).
And that's made perfectly clear at the end of the movie, when Fry comforts Leela at the funeral by saying that Lars was a good man--and Leela makes a point of saying that, yeah, Fry was.
All that said, I still prefer "Into the Wild Green Yonder" to "Bender's Big Score." BBS is my second favorite movie, though, for sure.
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spira
Liquid Emperor
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Leela didn't "settle" for the current Fry in the hopes that he would one day mature into Lars; she realized that everything Lars was, Fry already was, too (after all, Fry essentially goes through an arc with Leela that is identical to the one that Lars goes through with Leelu).
And that's made perfectly clear at the end of the movie, when Fry comforts Leela at the funeral by saying that Lars was a good man--and Leela makes a point of saying that, yeah, Fry was.
Such truth! Lars wasn't a copy of Fry, really... he was Fry plus twelve years, which is pretty much like Season 1 Fry plus half of his life. That is a lot of time for a personality to change. I bet most 34-year-olds very much hope they've got different personalities from when they were 22. (I know I hope that I've grown since I was 4.) They were the same person, just at different points in time with different life experiences. Lars' life in the 21st century was very different from Fry's life in the 31st. Genetics aren't the only factor behind personality by far. Lars' experiences gave him a different personality than Fry, but still everything that is fundamentally Lars is fundamentally Fry as well.
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Inquisitor Hein
Liquid Emperor
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Lars was basically what Leela wanted Fry to be: The boyish charm minus the childishness.
Let's face it, comments like "Hello to everyone who isn't Leela, and a very special Hello to everyone else" will certainly not make it into the "Top 10 Pick-Up lines of all time".
But these comments, delivered by Lars, showed a certain "I am an adult, and therefore I do not need to overact like one". Which often makes a person seem much more mature, settled than someone who desperately tries this "adult overacting".
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