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totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #680 on: 09-03-2011 00:31 »

Anyway I don't want a token gay character, because we already have Randy, and I just find it tiresome that pretty much every gay character on tv is either a token or a complete stereotype.  It's not like Hermes's entire character hinges on being a stoner.

Don't forget, there's a mathematical implication.

In any cast of characters numbering under ten that aren't the inhabitants of a Gay Village, a gay character is statistically a token. For every homosexual, there are nine straight people. That's a generous estimate that may well be skewed towards homosexuals, in fact. Have a couple of sources for that. I'm feeling generous.

If you have a cast of twenty character, you can realistically get away with having two gay people in there and still maintaining the "representative of real life" feeling that's integral to having a believable population for your make-believe world. Suspension of disbelief gets really stretched when you try to squeeze more of a particular type of person into a population than actually exists naturally though.

You'll either end up making a programme that feels like it's an all-gay show (Will and Grace suffered from that problem, and it's down to the size of the regular cast. Even though not everybody was gay, there was more gay floating around than you'd find on the street. It stretched the suspension of disbelief rather a lot) or you'll end up with one gay character who feels like a token, simply because they're surrounded by a much larger number of straight characters.

Either way it feels forced, because it doesn't mesh well with reality. The fact is that we don't know how many Futurama characters might be gay. Fishy Joe Gillman, for example. Have we ever been told his sexual orientation? Feel free to imagine him as gay.

Does it change anything? No. Excellent. There's now a recurring gay character in Futurama, and I hope that you're satisfied with that, because I think I'm done with this thread. It's been hijacked by somebody whining about a perceived lack of catering to their minority social-interest group (a group I happen to be sympathetic towards, but I hate people whining about a perceived lack of catering to their minority social-interest groups).

* tnuk swirls his cape and departs.
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« Reply #681 on: 09-03-2011 00:37 »
« Last Edit on: 09-03-2011 00:39 »

So...

In order to have a gay character, you must make the entire cast gay, or have none at all so they're not a token?

...sorry.  I'm not buying that at all.  You mean the show where odors can carry across vacuums, heads can survive in jars and be fed on goldfish flakes, every alien lifeform seems to speak perfect english, and male frog aliens can become pregnant through holding hands, a homemade spaceship can move the entire universe around it, a woman with no depth perception is one of the best pilots around, but having one or two gay NPCs is... unrealistic and will only feel forced?  Right.  I suppose we should recolor Hermes into being a white man with a blonde wife, otherwise people might think the writers are trying to fill a minority quota.  They already have a one eyed mutant and a lobster and a chinese girl with a robot fetish, having a black guy as well?  Now that's just pushing it...   
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« Reply #682 on: 09-19-2011 13:54 »
« Last Edit on: 09-19-2011 14:05 »

Bubblegum Tate.
A basketballer scientist? What the hell?
Evil Santa Claus.
His helping elves are funny though.
The Police chief, but we probably won't see her again.

Of the main characters (season 6) Amy.

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« Reply #683 on: 09-19-2011 17:06 »

Evil Santa Claus.

I don't recall... Such a character would be too similar to Robot Santa... tongue
Ambitious misunderstood

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« Reply #684 on: 09-19-2011 17:41 »

Oh well, I'm gonna go build my own Santa, with blackjack and hookers! And his name will be evil Santa Claus!

Ah, screw the whole thing. Robot Santa it is.
coffeeBot

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« Reply #685 on: 09-19-2011 18:07 »

How can anyone NOT love Bubblegum Tate?!?
All physicists should be so funky.
Christopher

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« Reply #686 on: 09-19-2011 18:17 »

Bender, I never liked Bender.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #687 on: 09-19-2011 18:18 »

Bender, I never liked Bender.

Care to explain why. Or are you just trolling?
Christopher

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« Reply #688 on: 09-19-2011 18:21 »

He's just a stupid too-american character. He was best in the first episode when he was just a robot kinda guy. Bender jokes are just easy, shallow, mean and unfunny
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #689 on: 09-20-2011 07:51 »

I dislike the following characters:

Philip J. Fry
Turanga Leela
Bender Bending Rodríguez
Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth
Hermes Conrad
Dr. John A. Zoidberg
Amy Wong
Richard Nixon's head
Zapp Brannigan
Kif Kroker
Nibbler
Mom
Scruffy
LaBarbara Conrad
Leo Wong
Lrrr
Cubert Farnsworth
Dwight Conrad
Mr. Panucci
Michelle
Charles Constantine
Terry
Lou
Ipgee
Smitty
URL
Leonard Nimoy's head
Matt Groening's head
Nine
Horrible Gelatinous Blob
Sal
Hydroponic Farmer
The Crushinator
Calculon
Monique
Boxy Robot
Human Friend
Hattie McDoogal
Randy Munchnik
The Hip Joint janitor
Pamela Anderson's head
Walt
Larry
Igner
Elzar
Gorgak
Florp
Dr. Ogden Wernstrom
Mayor Poopenmeyer
Linda
Morbo
Fender
Preacherbot
Robot Devil
LaBarbara Conrad
iZac
Inez Wong
Jellyfish Nurse
Gearshift
Fat-bot
Oily
Guenter
Dean Vernon
Ndnd
Glurmo
Slurms MacKenzie
Dwayne
Raoul
Vyolet
Leg Mutant
Turanga Munda
Turanga Morris
El Chupanibre
Thog
Glab
Hyper-Chicken
Pawnbroker
Tinny Tim
Robot Santa Claus
Flexo
Stripperbot
Malfunctioning Eddie
Petunia
Masked Unit
Abner Doubledeal
Clearcutter
Billionaire Bot
Chain Smoker
Destructor
Alcazar
Morgan Proctor
Australian man
Clamps
Joey Mousepad
Donbot
Soda machine Robot
"Fishy" Joseph Gilman
Free Waterfall Jr.
Transition Announcer
Stephen Hawking's head
Al Gore's head
Gary Gygax
Nichelle Nichols's head
Deep Blue
Gypsy
Kug
Kwanzaa-bot
Ron Whitey
Yancy Fry Sr.
Mrs. Fry
Yancy Fry Jr.
Philip J. Fry, II
Angleyne
Free Waterfall Sr.
Old Man Waterfall
Hypnotoad
Ken
Fiona
Big Brain
Harold Zoid
Warden Vogel
Adlai Atkins
Roberto
Beck's head
Ethan "Bubblegum" Tate
"Sweet" Clyde Dixon
Curly Joe
Lucy Liu's head
Jackie Anderson
Father Changstein El-Gamal
Steve Castle
Snoop Dogg's head
Dr. Ben Beeler
Seymour Asses
Pazuzu
Leonard Nimoy's head
George Takei's head
Barbados Slim
Nudar
Schlump
Fleb
Leroy
Chanukah Zombie
Colleen O'Hallahan
Fanny
Hutch Waterfall
Animatronio
Leonardo da Vinci
Dr. Banjo
Emperor Nikolai
coldangel

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« Reply #690 on: 09-20-2011 07:56 »

So you like the Number 9 guy? Me too.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #691 on: 09-20-2011 08:00 »

Nah, he's on the list as well. He must be hiding in the background. He seems pretty good at that.
hobbitboy

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« Reply #692 on: 09-20-2011 11:27 »

Does that mean that you do like Victor and Wash bucket?

Oh, and Zylex.

Don't hate me, Trinity.  I'm just the messenger.
spira

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« Reply #693 on: 09-20-2011 14:11 »

Zylex is the best character. All others pale in comparison.
zlawke

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« Reply #694 on: 09-22-2011 20:18 »

I. LOVE. ZALEX. <3

Best character ever. iZac is the second.
spira

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« Reply #695 on: 09-23-2011 03:33 »

I don't think we're watching the same show, but okay. tongue
coldangel

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« Reply #696 on: 09-23-2011 04:39 »

Doctor McCoy is the best character.
RIP DeForest Kelley.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #697 on: 09-23-2011 21:15 »

I don't think we're watching the same show, but okay. tongue

He named two Futurama characters... Except one was spelt wrong... hmpf
spira

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« Reply #698 on: 09-24-2011 00:20 »

No, I meant that if Zylex and iZac are the best characters, I've got to be missing something. haha.
zlawke

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« Reply #699 on: 09-30-2011 18:27 »

No, I meant that if Zylex and iZac are the best characters, I've got to be missing something. haha.


But still love iZac, it's a very good tetriary character.

I considered most of BBS new characters as the worst - Nudar and his fellas, Cahill, Leelu, Lars (he was so boring). Comparing to them, Zylex was the best, really  roll eyes

Grrrl was also a very annoying character _-_
DannyJC13

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« Reply #700 on: 09-30-2011 18:51 »

What?! Lars was awesome.

And Nudar* is equally as awesome!

*DXC said Nudar is his favourite character. tongue
spira

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« Reply #701 on: 10-01-2011 00:53 »

I liked Lars a lot. I liked the idea of Lars and his implications for the F/L ship, even if some reset button got pressed in BwaBB.

Has DXC really said that? whaaaat? Nudar's okay I guess but he doesn't stand out as anything special.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #702 on: 10-01-2011 09:46 »

Has DXC really said that?

That's what it says on the Infosphere. tongue
zlawke

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« Reply #703 on: 10-01-2011 19:26 »

And Nudar* is equally as awesome!

*DXC said Nudar is his favourite character. tongue
Gross nerds like each other :P

I also knew from Infosphere that Boxy is Josh Weinstein's favourite character. As you can see, every character can be someone's favourite. Even Zylex or I.C. Weiner.
Gorky

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« Reply #704 on: 10-01-2011 19:35 »
« Last Edit on: 10-01-2011 19:37 »

I liked Lars a lot. I liked the idea of Lars and his implications for the F/L ship, even if some reset button got pressed in BwaBB.

I agree with this, though I do think that it was a lot more fun to watch the Fry who stayed back in the twenty-first century becoming Lars than it was to watch Lars interact with Leela in the present of BBS. I get what the writers were trying to do with Lars, and I appreciate that they added some little touches (the "Up and away!" thing when he puts Hermes's head in a jar; the champagne glass balancing act at Elzar's; "Is the screaming upsetting you?") to make him seem more Fry-like.

But I don't know. There's a certain blandness to him, especially when you watch the movie the first time and don't realize that he's actually Fry. I wouldn't say that he's all that compelling a character until you watch the movie all the way through, and understand what was really going on with the guy. Like, he's retroactively an interesting character, if that makes any sense.
spira

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« Reply #705 on: 10-02-2011 05:30 »

Yeah, that's definitely the experience I had watching BBS for the first time. I was all "why is Leela so into this guy, I mean, he's not a jerk like all of the others but there's just not much there". But it became a lot deeper when I watched it a second time (and then again and again and again) and knew it was Fry all the time. Lars, if nothing else, adds more depth to Fry's character.

I liked how a lot of BBS juxtaposed the past with the present/future. They did a good job really sprucing up those seams.
Gorky

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« Reply #706 on: 10-02-2011 05:35 »

But it became a lot deeper when I watched it a second time (and then again and again and again) and knew it was Fry all the time.

Exactly. I feel like I've said this before, but if you watch BBS with the knowledge that Lars is Fry, it sort of becomes the heartwarming-est, shippiest episode ever. I mean, there's all that Lars-is-the-only-man-Leela-will-ever-love stuff, which is pretty damn telling. I have some problems with BBS, but I think the Lars thing was really freaking brilliant, in theory if not entirely in execution.
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« Reply #707 on: 10-02-2011 19:38 »

BBS was a total piece of shit and an insult to the series. Lars have a different personality and couldn't be Fry's copy, also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is. BBS ruined such great episodes like Space Pilot 3000, Jurassic Bark or The Luck Of The Fryrish. Add gross toilet humor (eating hair from ass made me vomit!), annoying new characters and you have worst Futurama ever. Hate it!
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« Reply #708 on: 10-02-2011 19:40 »

BBS was a total piece of shit and an insult to the series. Lars have a different personality and couldn't be Fry's copy, also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is. BBS ruined such great episodes like Space Pilot 3000, Jurassic Bark or The Luck Of The Fryrish. Add gross toilet humor (eating hair from ass made me vomit!), annoying new characters and you have worst Futurama ever. Hate it!

Way too far. Bender's Big Score is the best out of the 4 movies.
zlawke

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« Reply #709 on: 10-02-2011 19:49 »

I think you meant to say: The hardest in viewing.
The best movie is ITWGY/BG. TBWABB is avarage (great first half and week second).
Only one scene in BBS I really enjoyed was Battle For Earth, nothing more positive to say about that crap.
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« Reply #710 on: 10-02-2011 19:52 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2011 19:57 »

Wow, you suck. Hard.

You and I are enemies now.
zlawke

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« Reply #711 on: 10-02-2011 20:07 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2011 20:09 »

Maybe you suck Fry's butt's tattoo? Yeah, your arguments are as good as BBS smile

I think we were watching a different movie...
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« Reply #712 on: 10-02-2011 20:14 »
« Last Edit on: 10-02-2011 20:16 »

No, your reasons are just stupid.

Lars wasn't Fry's copy? He was 12 years older than Fry. He was more mature. He had grown up.

also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is.

That makes no sense.

Okay, Applied Cryogenics has been visited before BBS, did it ruin SP3 then? No. Seymour looked fine. We saw how he got solidified in dolomite. He was happy with Fry for 12 years. We saw the clover like once. HOLY SHIT IT RUINED ALL OF LUCK OF THE FRYRISH.

The toilet humour: Maybe if you actually listened to the commentary, everyone jokes about it in a GOOD WAY. And it's not as bad as Attack of the Killer App.
Gorky

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« Reply #713 on: 10-02-2011 23:05 »

And I don't think Leela suddenly decided that she could love Fry because she loved Lars. I think she had preexisting, possibly dormant feelings for Fry that were inexplicably amplified and displaced to Lars when she first met him. At the end of the movie, with the reveal that Lars was essentially Fry, Leela realized that Fry (to borrow dialogue from "Rebirth," any Fry) was the only man she could ever love.

I think it's a fine distinction, but still. Leela didn't "settle" for the current Fry in the hopes that he would one day mature into Lars; she realized that everything Lars was, Fry already was, too (after all, Fry essentially goes through an arc with Leela that is identical to the one that Lars goes through with Leelu).

And that's made perfectly clear at the end of the movie, when Fry comforts Leela at the funeral by saying that Lars was a good man--and Leela makes a point of saying that, yeah, Fry was.

All that said, I still prefer "Into the Wild Green Yonder" to "Bender's Big Score." BBS is my second favorite movie, though, for sure.
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #714 on: 10-03-2011 02:20 »

BBS was a total piece of shit and an insult to the series. Lars have a different personality and couldn't be Fry's copy, also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is. BBS ruined such great episodes like Space Pilot 3000, Jurassic Bark or The Luck Of The Fryrish. Add gross toilet humor (eating hair from ass made me vomit!), annoying new characters and you have worst Futurama ever. Hate it!
Everything you just said makes zero sense.
spira

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« Reply #715 on: 10-03-2011 04:55 »

Leela didn't "settle" for the current Fry in the hopes that he would one day mature into Lars; she realized that everything Lars was, Fry already was, too (after all, Fry essentially goes through an arc with Leela that is identical to the one that Lars goes through with Leelu).

And that's made perfectly clear at the end of the movie, when Fry comforts Leela at the funeral by saying that Lars was a good man--and Leela makes a point of saying that, yeah, Fry was.

Such truth! Lars wasn't a copy of Fry, really... he was Fry plus twelve years, which is pretty much like Season 1 Fry plus half of his life. That is a lot of time for a personality to change. I bet most 34-year-olds very much hope they've got different personalities from when they were 22. (I know I hope that I've grown since I was 4.)

They were the same person, just at different points in time with different life experiences. Lars' life in the 21st century was very different from Fry's life in the 31st. Genetics aren't the only factor behind personality by far. Lars' experiences gave him a different personality than Fry, but still everything that is fundamentally Lars is fundamentally Fry as well.
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« Reply #716 on: 10-03-2011 10:59 »

Lars was basically what Leela wanted Fry to be: The boyish charm minus the childishness.

Let's face it, comments like "Hello to everyone who isn't Leela, and a very special Hello to everyone else" will certainly not make it into the "Top 10 Pick-Up lines of all time".

But these comments, delivered by Lars, showed a certain "I am an adult, and therefore I do not need to overact like one".  Which often makes a person seem much more mature, settled than someone who desperately tries this "adult overacting".
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #717 on: 10-08-2011 02:30 »

No, your reasons are just stupid.

Lars wasn't Fry's copy? He was 12 years older than Fry. He was more mature. He had grown up.

also I think that Leela shouldn't be with Fry cause of knowing that he becomes later more mature like Lars but cause she loves him for who he is.

That makes no sense.

Okay, Applied Cryogenics has been visited before BBS, did it ruin SP3 then? No. Seymour looked fine. We saw how he got solidified in dolomite. He was happy with Fry for 12 years. We saw the clover like once. HOLY SHIT IT RUINED ALL OF LUCK OF THE FRYRISH.

The toilet humour: Maybe if you actually listened to the commentary, everyone jokes about it in a GOOD WAY. And it's not as bad as Attack of the Killer App.

I like you probably 10% more now.
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« Reply #718 on: 10-08-2011 22:16 »

Way too far. Bender's Big Score is the best out of the 4 movies.

Nah, the exact opposite. Bender's Big Score had the potential to be the best of the 4 movies but ultimately was the worst (not necessarily the majority opinion, I know). It's not even Lars that bothered me. The whole movie had an extremely negative atmosphere, Bender being hypnoticed made him a lot less funny than he usually is, the space aliens were annoying rather than funny in any way... but worst of all: I think I was never so pissed off at a character that was supposed to be likable as I was with Leela in BBS.

To get back to topic, Leela isn't the worst character by any means, but at times she definitely is the most unlikable one.
spira

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« Reply #719 on: 11-23-2011 22:50 »
« Last Edit on: 11-23-2011 22:51 »

Leela wasn't necessarily "supposed to be likeable" throughout BBS. Actually, given that Fry's the main protagonist, the whole arc based on "Leela rejects Fry," which is obviously a crucial part of BBS, sets Leela in a very inherently unlikeable position. Leela's rejection of Fry is supposed to irritate/anger/annoy the viewer, because Fry's the one everyone is supposed to like. If we weren't bothered by Leela rejecting/ignoring Fry, then that would indicate we weren't rooting for Fry.

Leela's occasional unlikableness is to me what makes her interesting as a character. She's dynamic. And, judging from reactions on PEEL, she's polarizing. Which is a hell of a lot more fun (and requires a more intelligent, thoughtful consumption of the show) than if she were just flat and likable.
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