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mairuzu3030

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« Reply #640 on: 06-21-2011 18:54 »

From Benders Big Score, But Def. Nudar. Why did they even make him a figure. So many other characters should had gotten a figure first.

This is my first post here BTW. Looks like fun, I found this site while searcing for a HGB figure.
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« Reply #641 on: 06-21-2011 19:45 »

Welcome to Peel, mairuzu3030. I hope you enjoy this place and you stick around. As for Nudar, not a great character I agree, but at least a reasonably memorable character and occasionally quite funny. I agree that the figure wasn't exactly a priority though compared to many others...

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« Reply #642 on: 06-21-2011 20:48 »

'In retrospect, I wish I'd been wearing Doomproof Pants, but you know us nudists...'

I like Nudar. I have his figure. big grin

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« Reply #643 on: 06-25-2011 14:34 »

Thinking amys mom is pritty annoying and boring. Also don't like like the guy that sells Amy the car, can't mind what ep and don't know y I just do smile
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« Reply #644 on: 06-25-2011 16:00 »

Thinking amys mom is pritty annoying and boring. Also don't like like the guy that sells Amy the car, can't mind what ep and don't know y I just do smile

Victor, Put Your Head on my Shoulder, Season 2.
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« Reply #645 on: 06-25-2011 19:08 »

I think Victor would make a good father figure smile...
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« Reply #646 on: 07-08-2011 18:11 »

When I first started watching the series, I had a huge hate for Zapp....though he's kinda grown on me now. I guess I'd have to go with a lot of the others and say either Cubert or Hermes. I HATE Cubert, though he is just a kid..but I don't hate Hermes, I just don't find any interest in him whatsoever.
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« Reply #647 on: 07-15-2011 22:01 »

When I first started watching the series, I had a huge hate for Zapp....though he's kinda grown on me now. I guess I'd have to go with a lot of the others and say either Cubert or Hermes. I HATE Cubert, though he is just a kid..but I don't hate Hermes, I just don't find any interest in him whatsoever.

Awwww, I love Hermes! Then again, I find him funny because I'm equally anal-retentive. Also, the pot jokes make me laugh, even if they are sort of an obvious stereotype for a Jamaican character.
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« Reply #648 on: 07-16-2011 19:44 »

Anyone else notice the only ones who aren't ripping on Amy are the ones who have her as their avatar?
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« Reply #649 on: 07-16-2011 20:19 »

Anyone else notice the only ones who aren't ripping on Amy are the ones who have her as their avatar?

Well that's probably why, she's probably (one of) their favourite character(s).
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« Reply #650 on: 07-16-2011 20:24 »

Anyone else notice the only ones who aren't ripping on Amy are the ones who have her as their avatar?


Well that's probably why, she's probably (one of) their favourite character(s).


Globviously! 

I don't really hate any of the regular characters, but I hate Gunther.   He was just conceited, and went out of his way to be nasty to Fry, even after Fry tried to be nice to him. I know I'd give Fry my phone number, and not some smug little monkey dip***t.   
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« Reply #651 on: 07-21-2011 07:16 »

I dislike Cubert. And that's probably it.
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« Reply #652 on: 08-07-2011 23:33 »

I hate the Nude Scammers simply because they look so disgusting.  They also remind me of several life drawing models I've had with the exact same body shape.  *shudder*
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« Reply #653 on: 08-10-2011 07:58 »

Zoidberg....I kid I kid...I would say Elzar (ducks for cover)...I don't know what it is but he just grates on my nerves everytime he is in an episode....but I agree with those that say Nudar as he is definately one ugly sack of skin.
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« Reply #654 on: 08-18-2011 16:35 »
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I'm so glad his twincest boyfriend got squashed.  That's something that would scare the yaoi out of every fangirl.

Also I don't think he's the worst character, but one character I find rather annoying is Randy.  He's just a by the books, camp gay guy stereotype, but not even a very funny one.  If you are going to do a stereotypical character, at least make them hilarious (Roger from American Dad's swishy stereotypical gay guy  traits are mined for pure comedy gold, and is actually one of the most funny cartoon characters of the last decade, and is easily Seth McFarlane's best creation. Randy?  Meh.  Its really annoyiing that Futurama's only openly gay character is just another pointless stereotype, and a pretty unfunny one at that.)
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« Reply #655 on: 08-25-2011 10:14 »

Nude Scammers, their voices and little celebratory dances annoy the crap outta me. Honorable Mentions: Cubert. And Mushu, that self-centered whale that thinks he's better than you.
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« Reply #656 on: 08-25-2011 13:38 »

I like the nudists for some reason... tongue

(No, I'm not a nudist...)

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« Reply #657 on: 08-25-2011 19:17 »

Its really annoyiing that Futurama's only openly gay character is just another pointless stereotype, and a pretty unfunny one at that.

I quite disagree there. Randy's both funny and adorable. He's not pointless, either. He's a very nonthreatening and amusing homosexual. He's not going to wave his penis in your face or describe in agonising detail his sexual exploits over the weekend. He's not going to do much more than slap you if you annoy him. He's not even going to be annoyed by you for very long (he's going to forget because he feels just fabulous, darling).

The thing about stereotypes is that they exist for a reason. There are a lot of gay people who fall into Randy's set, and the ones that don't are not as openly gay or not openly gay quite so often. I may be straight and therefore not quite as "plugged in" to gayness as you, but I've known a fair few gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and just plain omnisexual raging shagaholics over the last couple of decades (during my first decade I had no idea what "being gay" meant other than happiness).

As far as I'm concerned, TV shows don't need a massive gay cast. Generally, you can only tell somebody's gay when they're not like Randy if you end up walking into the room unannounced and they're kissing somebody of their own gender. It's not a massively obvious trait, unless they're... well, like Randy. Or one of those militant gays that practically brandishes their penis at you in the hopes of frightening you. Those can stay the hell out of any TV show that's not meant to be a horror, for me. I've known them and been terrified by them.

Homosexuality is established as an acceptable and normal trait for those who are that way inclined by the year 3000. Can't you just be happy with that instead of wishing for every third character to step out of the closet? I mean, whether the background characters are gay, straight, robosexual, interspecies... it's not really important to a show that's focused on sci-fi hijinks.

Start your own TV show, and you can fill it with as many or as few gay stereotypes as you want. Until then, don't complain about a TV show that doesn't actually portray homosexuals in a negative way, and even has an entire anvilicious episode about how you shouldn't be judged for who you want to have super sexy fun time with.

Don't hate on Randy. If ever a background character deserved their own episode, it would be Randy (and I'd like to think that the fact he's gay would merely be an ancilliary background detail to that rather than being important to the plot. Homosexuality is so accepted in the future that it's mundane and unworthy of mention. Which, quite frankly, is the way it should be).
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« Reply #658 on: 08-25-2011 19:51 »

You know which gay character is REALLY offensively stereotypical? Big Gay Al.
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« Reply #659 on: 08-25-2011 20:35 »

But he's cool like that. What about Mr. Slave?
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« Reply #660 on: 08-25-2011 21:04 »

Its really annoyiing that Futurama's only openly gay character is just another pointless stereotype, and a pretty unfunny one at that.

I quite disagree there. Randy's both funny and adorable. He's not pointless, either. He's a very nonthreatening and amusing homosexual. He's not going to wave his penis in your face or describe in agonising detail his sexual exploits over the weekend. He's not going to do much more than slap you if you annoy him. He's not even going to be annoyed by you for very long (he's going to forget because he feels just fabulous, darling).

The thing about stereotypes is that they exist for a reason. There are a lot of gay people who fall into Randy's set, and the ones that don't are not as openly gay or not openly gay quite so often. I may be straight and therefore not quite as "plugged in" to gayness as you, but I've known a fair few gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and just plain omnisexual raging shagaholics over the last couple of decades (during my first decade I had no idea what "being gay" meant other than happiness).

As far as I'm concerned, TV shows don't need a massive gay cast. Generally, you can only tell somebody's gay when they're not like Randy if you end up walking into the room unannounced and they're kissing somebody of their own gender. It's not a massively obvious trait, unless they're... well, like Randy. Or one of those militant gays that practically brandishes their penis at you in the hopes of frightening you. Those can stay the hell out of any TV show that's not meant to be a horror, for me. I've known them and been terrified by them.

Homosexuality is established as an acceptable and normal trait for those who are that way inclined by the year 3000. Can't you just be happy with that instead of wishing for every third character to step out of the closet? I mean, whether the background characters are gay, straight, robosexual, interspecies... it's not really important to a show that's focused on sci-fi hijinks.

Start your own TV show, and you can fill it with as many or as few gay stereotypes as you want. Until then, don't complain about a TV show that doesn't actually portray homosexuals in a negative way, and even has an entire anvilicious episode about how you shouldn't be judged for who you want to have super sexy fun time with.

Don't hate on Randy. If ever a background character deserved their own episode, it would be Randy (and I'd like to think that the fact he's gay would merely be an ancilliary background detail to that rather than being important to the plot. Homosexuality is so accepted in the future that it's mundane and unworthy of mention. Which, quite frankly, is the way it should be).


I completely disagree.  You complain about having a homosexual character in the show, but as long as they are a complete stereotype, you're fine with that?  The only way you can feel comfortable with a gay character is if they are a laundry list of just about every sterotype? I mean seriously you say Randy's gayness would be an extremely minor trait if he ever got his own episode...?

Are you for real?  If you took Randy's "gayness" out of the picture, that would be like taking away his entire personality. 

He's a pointless character.  He's a stereotype, but not even a funny one like Mr Slave or Roger the Alien or Xandir. 

Another thing: I never said the show needed a huge gay cast.  That would be like saying because of Hermes being a main character, the show has a vast black cast, or the show has a massive Asian cast because of Amy.   One or two characters does not equal a vast cast. 

All I really want is for one or two characters whose sexuality isn't their entire character, like Randy.  Would Leela or Amy's personality actually change that much if they had bisexual tendancies? (which they have shown but mostly for fanservice.)  Hell did Amy's personality really change that much once we found out she had a temporary bought with metal fever?  I don't see why there seems to be this big rule saying "You can't have a gay or bisexual character unless they announce it every five minutes, and adhere to a laundry list of stereotypes."  Again, I don't see why one or two characters suddenly becomes THE ENTIRE SHOW IS GAII NOW OMGGODDDDDD to you.   Did the Simpsons suddenly change all that much when Aunt Patty finally came out of the closet (even though she's as butch as they come and have been dropping hints about her for years?)   They still only have one openly gay recurring character.  I don't see Lenny and Carl snogging every second episode, and I don't see Bart and Milhouse practicing french kissing in the tree house. 

Again, one gay character does not = an entire cast suddenly becoming gay.  I really don't see why you seem to think me asking for one or two gay characters means I want NNY to become downtown Soho on a Friday night. Jeez.  I like NNY just the way it is, I just would like to have a gay character whose personality doesn't revolve around the fact they are gay.  And again, I wouldn't mind Randy being a stereotype... but he's not even funny.  Roger the Alien is as camp as they come, and they mine his personality for all the comic gold they can, and he's hilarious.  Randy? Pointless.

As for Mr Slave, he may be a sex maniac, but he's actually one of the only decent and sane adults in South Park.  Like he's one the kids can actually turn to for good advice.  Aside from the whole gerbils in butt thing (which is still pretty minor compared to some of the evil and idiotic stuff the people of SP reguarly engage in), he seems like a pretty nice person who actually wants the best for the kids in town.
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« Reply #661 on: 08-25-2011 23:34 »

I completely disagree.  You complain about having a homosexual character in the show

Woah there Sparky, where did I do that? I am most certainly not complaining about anything other than you being upset that there aren't an entire army's worth of homosexual characters in Futurama (yes, I'm exaggerating there. Complain about that if it makes you feel better, but don't you dare put words in my mouth).

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The only way you can feel comfortable with a gay character is if they are a laundry list of just about every sterotype? I mean seriously you say Randy's gayness would be an extremely minor trait if he ever got his own episode...?

That is not "the only way I can feel comfortable with a gay character", nor did I say anything to suggest it. I'm quite comfortable with gay characters on TV. There are gay people IRL, there should obviously be some representation of them in popular media even if only for the sake of realism.

I feel that Randy's homosexuality needn't be the driving force behind his own plotline, since Futurama doesn't seem to feel the need to make an issue of homosexuality the way that a lot of people (you included) do. Seem to feel the need, that is.

Sexuality, homo or hetero, shouldn't be the driving force behind any episode of Futurama. Perhaps it would be more representative of the world at large if more of the Futuramaverse's inhabitants were gay. But how would we tell? By making them offensive stereotypes who feel the need to advertise their sexuality at every step as though it is the one defining force in their lives? roll eyes

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Are you for real?  If you took Randy's "gayness" out of the picture, that would be like taking away his entire personality. 

No. If you remove his camp mannerisms (you can be camp without being gay, remember) away, he'd be just another background figure with minimal animation and no lines.
But I'm not talking about ttaking away his gayness, and he's not defined by his preference for genitalia. Randy could, for example, have a date with... let's say Scruffy. Scruffy's got a date with Randy. Hijinks ensue. Randy loses his job, and moves into the PX building's basement with Scruffy whilst he hides from the law and looks for other employment. You could build an episode around that without actually making a big deal out of Randy being gay. His personality would be given a chance to be shown, his interactions with the main cast would drive the humour, and ultimately he gets a new job that he enjoys and goes off with Barbados Slim, leaving poor Scruffy emotionally devastated. Until he falls in love with somebody or something else a few seconds later. BAM! Instant Randy's-very-own-episode (with a generous portion of Scruffy) which touches on homosexuality but doesn't make a big deal of it.

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He's a pointless character.  He's a stereotype, but not even a funny one

Totally subjective. He may be a stereotype, but Randy reminds me of at least two people I've known IRL, and it's partly because of that that I find him funny.

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Another thing: I never said the show needed a huge gay cast.  That would be like saying because of Hermes being a main character, the show has a vast black cast, or the show has a massive Asian cast because of Amy.   One or two characters does not equal a vast cast. 

Futurama has a cast of roughly ten core characters. Of those, the Professor has shown bisexual and robosexual tendancies, as have Leela and Amy (albeit in blatant fanservice). Zoidberg is effectively asexual, as to mate with a member of his own species will mean his death. Fry and Leela are a heterosexual couple (when they're actually a couple) as are Hermes and Labarbara. Amy, Bender, and Kif make a bizarre set from a human 20th century viewpoint. You've got human/alien and human/machine sexuality right there. Scruffy loves his washbucket, and Dwight and Cubert are just kids. Let's not sexualise them.

I'd say that they've got the entire sexual spectrum overrepresented, as roughly ten percent of any natural population (not just humans) exhibit homosexual behaviour and out of ten, you've got fewer than nine exhibiting "standard" sexual behaviour in the core cast.

If you were to introduce two openly and exclusively gay people (for example, gay versions of Fry and Leela), you'd actually be tipping the balance towards unrealistic.

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All I really want is for one or two characters whose sexuality isn't their entire character, like Randy.

So, a gay character who could actually be taken for heterosexual unless you were in on the secret? You want Futurama to have its very own Dumbledore? As a characterisation, if you've got a gay cast member in a programme, it tends to become something that's shown and showcased within the scenes that they're involved in. In a show like Futurama, sexuality really isn't that important. Fry could get a boyfriend (maybe even Randy) during one episode... but it would pretty much have to be a major plot point in order for it to make any sense. He's chasing Leela, remember?

If there were a main character who was gay, how the hell would we know unless we explored their sex life? That would tend to make their sexuality a major part of their characterisation, since it's a character-driven show a lot of the time.

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Would Leela or Amy's personality actually change that much if they had bisexual tendancies? (which they have shown but mostly for fanservice.)  Hell did Amy's personality really change that much once we found out she had a temporary bought with metal fever?

It's bout, and yes (a little). We saw Amy suddenly become a rabid crusader (along with everybody else) for a cause. That's more Leela's thing, really. Crusading. But that's not what you meant/wanted to hear, is it?

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I don't see why there seems to be this big rule saying "You can't have a gay or bisexual character unless they announce it every five minutes, and adhere to a laundry list of stereotypes."

The stereotypes given on TV are meant to clue the audience in. Every character is a stereotype of something, to some degree. The reason that gay and bisexual characters seem to feel the need to announce their sexuality every five minutes on TV is that the writers are reminding the audience. Otherwise, without them doing or saying something that refers to their sexuality, it will be forgotten. That's the thing about watching TV. You're not really bothered about the characters' sexuality if it's not a porno. You're bothered about their emotions. And the action/explosions/fighting/arguments/lottery win/spaceships/pitched gun battle/cafeteria that it's set in. But not so much their sexuality - unless it's a sex scene. The writers tend to have to remind people of the character's sexuality so that they're seen to be including homosexuals (prefarbly positively) in their programming, and also so that the viewer isn't shocked when two guys suddenly kiss.

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Again, I don't see why one or two characters suddenly becomes THE ENTIRE SHOW IS GAII NOW OMGGODDDDDD to you.   Did the Simpsons suddenly change all that much when Aunt Patty finally came out of the closet (even though she's as butch as they come and have been dropping hints about her for years?)   They still only have one openly gay recurring character.  I don't see Lenny and Carl snogging every second episode, and I don't see Bart and Milhouse practicing french kissing in the tree house.
 

Simpsons? I haven't watched it for years, but I'm pretty sure Bart's not gay. That might be a major reason you never see him kissing Milhouse. roll eyes If a Futurama character came out as gay, I wouldn't expect to see them randomly kissing members of the same sex every scene either. I'd expect maybe three or four throwaway lines that keep it established over the course of a couple of episodes. Neither show is really about sexuality. There are better soapboxes for that sort of thing than an animated comedy, after all.

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Again, one gay character does not = an entire cast suddenly becoming gay.  I really don't see why you seem to think me asking for one or two gay characters means I want NNY to become downtown Soho on a Friday night.

I never said that one gay character means an entire gay cast. You seem to want more gay characters though, the gay community of NNY would be pretty large, I'd imagine... So. Right, you want gays. But you don't want obvious gays and you don't want the show to suddenly be about sexuality. Listen, it's a comedy. Any gay people are going to be played for laughs, like the poodle-daddies were. Everything is exaggerated. For teh lulz. So if the cast suddenly gets a gay member, then their entire schtick is probably going to be Randy-esque camp gay stereotypes. Otherwise, it's just going to be one more cast member and you won't even be able to tell whether his hard-on is caused by Fry or Leela bending over in front of him.

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Jeez.  I like NNY just the way it is, I just would like to have a gay character whose personality doesn't revolve around the fact they are gay.

I can see MG and DXC reading this and thinking "Aww. Somebody's feeling underrepresented in a science-fiction cartoon. We'd better include a positive homosexual role model in the core cast to protect their feelings. And then the next person who feels underrepresented - we'll add another cast member just for them as well. In fact, let's scrap Futurama altogether and write a TV show where we add new cast members every week until we've got a mix of ethnic and cultural subtypes representing everybody around the globe. Then they'll have really bland adventures each week where nobody is put in danger, insulted, killed off, or even exposed to anything fun for fear of upsetting the balance within the group!"

I can also see FOX pre-ordering eleven seasons of it. If it's bothering you so much, write your own show set in a completely gay universe.

I honestly can't see why you're getting so bent out of shape about it.

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Roger the Alien is as camp as they come, and they mine his personality for all the comic gold they can, and he's hilarious.

I disagree completely. Neither Roger nor American Dad are funny. The program is absolutely degenerate, puerile and witless. The characters are all enormous stereotypes, and totally one-dimensional. I found it impossible to get into and about as entertaining, frankly, as Family Guy.

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As for Mr Slave, he may be a sex maniac, but he's actually one of the only decent and sane adults in South Park.  Like he's one the kids can actually turn to for good advice.  Aside from the whole gerbils in butt thing (which is still pretty minor compared to some of the evil and idiotic stuff the people of SP reguarly engage in), he seems like a pretty nice person who actually wants the best for the kids in town.

Let's not go into the fact that nobody in South park is sane, eh? Not. A. Single. Person.

Mr. Slave... his personality and his portrayal revolve around his sexuality (because it's an animated comedy, and that stuff's funny). So I don't think you're really allowed to like him or find him funny, based on what you've said above that.

Personally, I couldn't care less about anybody's sexuality until they start complaining that there should be more of it in something that's not about sexuality and doesn't need any added to it. Like Futurama for what it is (an animated science-fiction comedy) rather than for something that it really has no business trying to be. It's not a soapbox for promoting agendas (which is why PI's preachiness felt so jarring).

If there's one character I could see stepping out of the closet though, it's Barbados Slim. He's been lying to himself for years, and he only finally realises it when the Professor accidentally creates a duplicate of him. The two have a whirlwind romance, a lavish wedding ceremony, and then something hilariously tragic happens, like the duplicate leaving him for... I have no idea. Another duplicate? Randy? H.G. Blob? A space cow? I can totally see that happening when the writers run out of ideas for episodes centred around the main cast and start to pluck background characters from obscurity.

Hm. I suppose Larry might be a little bit gay, too. Maybe the duplicate Slim would run off with Larry.

Anyway, the point is that I don't think shoehorning gay characters into the show just for the sake of it is anything other than a ridiculous idea and that perhaps you should find something else to be annoyed about, like the animation goofs in TTOTZ.
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« Reply #662 on: 08-26-2011 01:44 »
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It's really late, and I am too tired to through all of that.  But I will say, don't you think it's extremely hypocritical of you to accuse me of "putting words in your mouth" when that is EXACTLY what you have done to me?  You keep insisting that I want an army of gay characters on television, when all I want is one or two who *gasp* just so happen to be gay.  As in if they had a storyline, it wouldn't be about them gayly coming to terms with their gayness, and having a gay storyline about them having a gay boyfriend/girlfriend and having gayngst.  You for example, have probably met a LOT more gay people then you will ever realize, but you won't, simply because they just so happen to be gay, and don't wear short shorts, and talk about how fabulous they are.

As for you saying Randy's campness has nothing to do with his sexuality.  Sure.  How many straight men do you think will say "Our pooodle has two daddies!" or stock a Noah's Ark entirely with all male animals with their same sex life partner?  Sure.  Sure.

Again, I am allowed to like a character.  I like Mr Slave because he may be a stereotype, but at least he's funny, and you can see that he's actually a much saner, nicer adult then half the adults in town.   He's like Chef in that respect.  Like all of SP's adults he's a nutjob, but he can pull himiself together when someone like Wendy needs him.  

Again you say the show isn't about sexuality: BS.  Fry and Leela are the main focus romantically.  We've seen Hermes has a wife and a son the former of whom he enjoys a healthy sex life with.   Mom and Farnsworth have an on again, off again relationship.  So do Fry and Michelle.  We see a lot of Bender's romances (one of whom is my avatar.)   Why does the idea that a character instead of having his/her occasionally referenced private life be anotehr man or another woman, honestly bother you that much?  Heterosexual romance is the most common romance we see in the show, and guess what?  It doesn't dominate the show.   Hermes has a wife, and we don't even see her that much.  We see his son even less.  Why do you automatically assume that if a character is gay, we are going to see them felatting their life partner every five minutes?

Jesus.  We see hermaphrodite aliens that mate through every sentient lifeform in the universe through their spinal cords, robots that are manufactured to do nothing except drain resources but do no work whatsoever, ancient Egyptian queens that are cloned into heads in jars, but a gay character whose not a complete stereotype or doesn't announce that they're gay every five mintutes will be "shoehorned in".

Right.  Perfect sense.

Also, can you tell me what this "agenda" is?  And where I demanded that an army of LGBT characters take over the cast, like you keep accusing me of saying?
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« Reply #663 on: 08-26-2011 02:44 »


It's really late, and I am too tired to through all of that.
Probably not the best way to respond if you want people to take your reply seriously.

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But I will say, don't you think it's extremely hypocritical of you to accuse me of "putting words in your mouth" when that is EXACTLY what you have done to me?

There's a difference between an exaggeration of what you've said, and making up something, claiming the other person said it, and using that to ask a question that's extremely leading.

Since that's what you did, I feel perfectly fine about mere hyperbole. Taking something you've actually said and blowing it out of proportion in order to antagonise you isn't the same thing as putting words in your mouth.

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You keep insisting that I want an army of gay characters on television,
I think you'll find that I made one reference to an army of gay characters, not that I "keep insisting" that that's what you want. I said it once, here, in response to you putting words in my mouth.


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when all I want is one or two who *gasp* just so happen to be gay.  As in if they had a storyline, it wouldn't be about them gayly coming to terms with their gayness, and having a gay storyline about them having a gay boyfriend/girlfriend and having gayngst.
Well if that's all you want, you can imagine whichever characters you want are actually gay. From now on, I'm going to think of Barbados Slim and Larry as deeply closeted homosexuals who will realise their desires if and when they finally lock eyes across a smoky room.

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You for example, have probably met a LOT more gay people then you will ever realize, but you won't, simply because they just so happen to be gay, and don't wear short shorts, and talk about how fabulous they are.

Statistically, 10% of any natural population is homosexually inclined. In human populations, this may be higher due to various factors which are not normally present in animal populations. It's been estimated at all sorts from between 11 to 20 percent. I'm going to go in the middle of this and say that 15% of everybody I've ever met were or are gay.

I'm fine with not knowing which individuals this comprises, because I really don't care. However, I have a pretty good idea of the number of gay people I've interacted with (statistically). I'm actually able to arrive at a logical conclusion most of the time as to whether somebody might or might not be gay. I've not got amazingly good gaydar (there are too many metros and jammers these days), but I have excellent lesdar.

Of course, this has nothing to do with what we were discussing. You want people in Futurama who you know are gay. Which means some sort of a clue.

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As for you saying Randy's campness has nothing to do with his sexuality.

I know a camp but straight man. If he way gay, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be quiet about it. I know a gay couple who are extremely non-camp. If they were ever to do or say something "stereotypically gay", I'd die of shock.

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Sure.  How many straight men do you think will say "Our pooodle has two daddies!"
That's like asking how many straight men are in gay relationships. I know a house full of male students who have a rabbit though. It has four daddies. Ask anybody in that house, and they'll tell you their rabbit has four daddies. In a non-camp way and with perfect seriousness. Three of them have girlfriends, one of them might be gay. Or just repulsive to women. It could be either.

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or stock a Noah's Ark entirely with all male animals with their same sex life partner?  Sure.  Sure.

That's not camp though, is it? It's something else. It's also stereotypically gay, therefore you're asking another nonsense question. The fact is that Randy is both camp and a homosexual, but there are plenty of people IRL who display camp traits but are straight. One of my best friends is at times as camp as a row of tents. He's straight, married, has a baby, and he's a very confusing individual. But he's camp without being gay. He has a couple of gay friends though. One of them is so straight-acting that it's weird.

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Again, I am allowed to like a character.  I like Mr Slave because he may be a stereotype, but at least he's funny, and you can see that he's actually a much saner, nicer adult then half the adults in town.   He's like Chef in that respect.  Like all of SP's adults he's a nutjob, but he can pull himiself together when someone like Wendy needs him. 

If you're getting all het-up about stereotypes, then you should be outraged over Mr. Slave. I'm guessing that because he's a much more prominent homosexual cartoon character, you like him a little more.

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Again you say the show isn't about sexuality: BS.  Fry and Leela are the main focus romantically.  We've seen Hermes has a wife and a son the former of whom he enjoys a healthy sex life with.   Mom and Farnsworth have an on again, off again relationship.  So do Fry and Michelle.  We see a lot of Bender's romances (one of whom is my avatar.)

Romance does not equal sexuality. Nor is the focus of the show in general on romantic relationships. It's about character interaction (and yeah, the majority of the global population's interactions are dictated or influenced by hetereosexually-oriented romantic attachments, so they're going with what they know).

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Why does the idea that a character instead of having his/her occasionally referenced private life be anotehr man or another woman, honestly bother you that much?

You're doing it again. Don't make me spit at you. Stop putting words in my mouth. When did I say that the idea would bother me? If they have a character announce they're going out with their boyfriend/girlfriend and it's somebody of the same gender, that's fine.

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Heterosexual romance is the most common romance we see in the show, and guess what?  It doesn't dominate the show.   Hermes has a wife, and we don't even see her that much.  We see his son even less.  Why do you automatically assume that if a character is gay, we are going to see them felatting their life partner every five minutes?
Tell me where I said I assumed that. Linkplz. I'm not saying that if we get a gay cast member we're going to see orgies of cocksucking for ten minutes out of twelve. I'm saying that it doesn't matter whether there are any gay characters or not. It's not important to the show, it's not something that would add to or detract from anything important, and it's quite frankly a non-issue. You're just butthurt because your particular social segment seems to be underrepresented... that, btw is the "agenda" I referred to. Your agenda is to get a gay character into Futurama.  Which brings me to...
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Jesus.  We see hermaphrodite aliens that mate through every sentient lifeform in the universe through their spinal cords, robots that are manufactured to do nothing except drain resources but do no work whatsoever, ancient Egyptian queens that are cloned into heads in jars, but a gay character whose not a complete stereotype or doesn't announce that they're gay every five mintutes will be "shoehorned in".

If a character ona  TV show doesn't perform their schtick, they're essentially of no interest to the audience. They're background. TV casts are composed of stereotypes, thanks largely to stupid test audiences. If you start suddenly popping in the occasional gay character who is gay as a completely incidental background thing that doesn't matter one way or the otjher, isn't used to make a joke, or doesn't provide something to the narrative it's going to feel forced. Imagine seven episodes of Futurama in a row suddenly have a random background gay character inserted. He's not obviously gay, but he does mention at one point that he has a husband. That's going to feel like it's been shoehorned in just to make some sort of a point.

Futurama's not, as I've said, a soapbox. Therefore it makes no sense to do anything like that.

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Also, can you tell me... where I demanded that an army of LGBT characters take over the cast, like you keep accusing me of saying?

As I said above, I think you'll find that I made one reference to an army of gay characters (and I didn't actually say that), not that I "keep insisting" that that's what you want.

I made the one reference to it... here it is.


I am most certainly not complaining about anything other than you being upset that there aren't an entire army's worth of homosexual characters in Futurama (yes, I'm exaggerating there. Complain about that if it makes you feel better, but don't you dare put words in my mouth).

The date part of that got messed up, but the link works.

If you want to play the link-and-quote game, then I'm more than happy to do so. It's going to be at least a couple of hours before I have a new Futurama episode to watch and I've nothing else planned for tonight. However, at some point I'm going to have said all that can be reasonably said, and will be forced to start using "wrong" and "boring" .gif files in order to respond without repeating myself.

That would be pointless as anything but an excercise in spam though. We can play the who-said-what game forever. Instead, let me summarise what I'm saying once and for all.

Futurama doesn't need to start including various sexual, ethnic, cultural or other groups as main characters. They have a good cast. They don't need to try to cram anybody else in there for the sake of having a gay character or some such tripe. It's a sci-fi cartoon sitcom, not some diversity showcase.

I hope that's nice and clear for you, as well as short enough for you to read and take on board in your tired state. Please note that I'm not against homosexuality, I'm not trying to oppress you in particular, nor the legions of homosexuals around the world who have not taken the time to say stupid things to me today. I'm not advocating some sort of blanket media ban on homosexuality, I'm just saying that Futurama is probably not the best place to try and cram in a few gays just for the sake of having them in there.
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« Reply #664 on: 08-27-2011 05:22 »

 eek Wow. Some big debates going on here.

On topic, I find that the only real annoyance is Cubert, though it's pretty clear that his annoyance is intentional.
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« Reply #665 on: 08-28-2011 01:36 »

Futurama doesn't need to start including various sexual, ethnic, cultural or other groups as main characters. They have a good cast. They don't need to try to cram anybody else in there for the sake of having a gay character or some such tripe. It's a sci-fi cartoon sitcom, not some diversity showcase.

I'd say we already have a very diversity in the characters.
Fry - From the past
Bender - Robot
Leela - Mutant
Farnsworth - Old and insane
Zoidberg - Alien Decapodian
Amy - Chinese-Martian, "married" to an alien
Hermes - Jamaican
Nibbler - Ancient Alien
Kif - Amphibic-Alien

To name just the major different ones from the extended main characters. Besides that we have (for major characters in different episodes): Clones, various Aliens,  various Robots...
We have various religious believes (not used much), various political and the like parties / organisations (DOOP, neutrals, politics on earth and other planets), various sexual orientations (robosexuality [2 episodes dedicated to that already], orgies, heteros, hinto of bisexuality and homosexuality [some more some less], humans mating with aliens...)
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« Reply #666 on: 09-02-2011 17:11 »

Exactly Bend err.  So I don't see why having a gay character whose personality doesn't revolve around them being gay would be OMG SO POLITICAL AND FORCED AND SHOEHORNED IN!!!!  If a sentient planet that rapes every lifeform in the universe through their spinal cord fits in well with the Futurama verse, I don't see why a gay character whose not a complete stereotype is so mind boggling and terrifying.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #667 on: 09-02-2011 19:34 »

I'm not claiming it would be mind-boggling or terrifiying, but with the amount of diversity that already exists, any new character written in to provide the show with a "token gay" is pretty much guaranteed to feel like exactly that. A token gay.

Therefore shoehorned in. It's not exactly representing homosexuals with dignity.

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« Reply #668 on: 09-02-2011 19:44 »

Exactly, there is no need to force it in.

It's the future, I rather see tons of different alien races.
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« Reply #669 on: 09-02-2011 21:22 »

So, wasn't it nice to see Randy not being "the gay character" in Overclockwise? tongue
As soon as I saw him, I thought of this discussion.
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« Reply #670 on: 09-02-2011 21:39 »

So, wasn't it nice to see Randy not being "the gay character" in Overclockwise? tongue
As soon as I saw him, I thought of this discussion.

The opposite actually. Randy's appearance seemed to prove Goldfish and Tnuk's points. He has little personality outside of his camp gayness (+1 Goldfish), yet he's absurdly boring and pointless without it (+1 Tnuk). Considering this is a comedy show, I'll take the jokes over the social fairness stuff every time (especially since, as Louis C.K. joked, there are plenty of gays who act like that and they're funny).
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« Reply #671 on: 09-02-2011 21:50 »

Eh, I guess this doesn't depend on Randy himself, but I was amused by Randy being Fry's "alternate" friend, and I loved how Bender was so insulted.
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« Reply #672 on: 09-02-2011 22:05 »

As was I, but I can't enjoy it thoroughly because its a needless upgrade of Randy's relationship with the crew. Randy's never really interacted with the P.E. crew. He's one of the background characters who's there for a quick joke, usually as a man-on-the-street gag (like his ark in Crimes of the Hot or his line in BWABB). Here Randy took what usually would be Scruffy's spot as a supporting character who for no real reason is bumped to close friend or confidant to one of the mains (considering it's Fry he was talking to, Hermes could also have easily filled the role (as he did in TPOB)) except that for Scruffy that would be the joke where's for Randy it goes against what his character's comedy is supposed to be.
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« Reply #673 on: 09-02-2011 22:06 »

I think it was Randy because I (believe) he is John DiMaggio's favourite character, so John probably wanted to fit him in there one last time before the series ended. Of course it hasn't now, but maybe that was why. wink
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« Reply #674 on: 09-02-2011 22:09 »

FoA, you're right! That would've been a natural role for Scruffy. It's kind of surprising they chose Randy instead.
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« Reply #675 on: 09-02-2011 22:10 »

I figured Fry just ran into Randy in the park, and started talking to him. I don't think they were meant to have any established relationship before that. And Bender's outrage over Fry's choice in company seems to imply that Randy sits on that bench a lot feeding owls, and Fry has come across him several times in his travels. Not that the two of them are, you know, bosom buddies or whatever.

And the sheer randomness of both Fry going to Randy and Bender's outburst about it amused me so.
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« Reply #676 on: 09-02-2011 22:15 »

It won't be random for many reviewings, Gorky. Once the randomness is gone, all that'll be left is generic advice, exposition, and a nagging feeling that it should have been a Scruffy one-liner.
Gorky

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« Reply #677 on: 09-02-2011 22:19 »

Fair enough. But, if I can somehow manage to sustain a semi-serious head injury before each rewatch, my memory'll be so shot it will seem like a new, deliciously random scene every time.
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« Reply #678 on: 09-02-2011 23:41 »

Hermes is awesome, so is Amy I can't believe anyone would say that they hated them :O.

Kwanza Bot is the worst character. I can't stand Coolio either.
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« Reply #679 on: 09-02-2011 23:58 »
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So, wasn't it nice to see Randy not being "the gay character" in Overclockwise? tongue
As soon as I saw him, I thought of this discussion.

The opposite actually. Randy's appearance seemed to prove Goldfish and Tnuk's points. He has little personality outside of his camp gayness (+1 Goldfish), yet he's absurdly boring and pointless without it (+1 Tnuk). Considering this is a comedy show, I'll take the jokes over the social fairness stuff every time (especially since, as Louis C.K. joked, there are plenty of gays who act like that and they're funny).

I think Randy is a pointless and unfunny character.  I don't mind stereotypical characters if at least they are funny.  Randy is a by a books camp gay stereotype who isn't funny or interesting.   I can think of plenty of much worse stereotypes who have hilarious lines (such as Roger from American Dad, or Jiz from the online series that parodies Jem and the Holograms), but Randy is just a forgettable character.  He doesn't bring anything to the show, the way the other NPCs like Sal, Hattie and Petunia do. 

Anyway I don't want a token gay character, because we already have Randy, and I just find it tiresome that pretty much every gay character on tv is either a token or a complete stereotype.  It's not like Hermes's entire character hinges on being a stoner.

I don't get why people hate Amy so much.  Well actually I can, but I think she brings plenty to the show.  She's like Leela, in that she's not the first character you think of when it comes to comedy, but she has heart and multiple facets to her personality.  Have a few more episodes like TDK (I am kind of tired of all the other Amy episodes being mostly about her romantic relationships), and people will probably love her almost as much as Leela.  She just has the misfortune of being neglected by the writers a lot.
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