Fry's geneology

[Reply #80 on:]

 

Originally posted by Gleno:

Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
I don't think it was supposed to make sense.

Exactly....!! That's what makes the show so damn brilliant, it's never been done before, and probably never again....not in the same way....

Now get on your knees and worship Futurama....I said do iiiiit

Fry isnt exactly the first sci-fi character to be his own grandfather

*cough* dave lister *cough*

In fact its amazing how similar a character fry is to dave lister

[Reply #81 on:]

This should interest you:
Fry equals Lister?

[Reply #82 on:]

Dave Lister is his own father though isn't he? At least Fry has Yancy Sr. in between.

[Reply #83 on:]

If Fry being his own Grandpa bothers you, read Heinlein's short story "All You Zombies" on how to be your own father...AND mother.

[Reply #84 on:]

Quantum is the reason.

[Reply #85 on:]

Just my little theory but, given that a person is made up of half the DNA from the mother and half from the father: Fry (or fry's mother/father) would as some stage become an near exact clone of Mildred. The first fry(if there was one) would have 25% of Enus's DNA and 25% Mildred's. When fry went back and impregnated his grandma (eeek by the way) the child would have 50% Mildred's DNA and 50% Fry's, as fry is 25% Enus the child would have 12.5% of Enus's DNA from Fry. Fry in turn would have 25% of Mildred's DNA 50% from his other Grandparents and 25% from himself which would include 6.25% of Enus. This fry would then go back with his 6.25% enus and impregnate Mildred resulting in a fry with 1.5625% of Enus's DNA. Meaning that each time fry goes back in time his genetic structure alters until all of Enus's DNA is gone and fry is 25% Mildred 50% his other grandparents and 25% himself. As Himself was made up of the his parents and grandparents notwithstanding himself he would be 33.333% Mildred 66.666% his other grandparents and mildred's child would have almost the same DNA as Mildred. Hence meaning that there is very little chance that he would be unaffected by the genetic change, proving either that Enus was never fry's grandfather but Mildred got pregnant of someone else or that fry created a parallel universe which was where the fry with altered DNA grew up.

Thank you for attending this lecture on Futureopastilogonomy and Mumbo dynamics.

[Reply #86 on:]

 

Originally posted by Lord Zoidberg:
he would be 33.333% Mildred 66.666% his other grandparents and mildred's child would have almost the same DNA as Mildred.

This part I don't understand, since Mildred's DNA would never change. She would only give 50% of her DNA to her son so the DNA's of the two would never match up.

As far as I'm concerned Fry was always his own grandfather, Enos was never involved.

[Reply #87 on:]

I think eventually the proportion of DNA would converge on the 33.333% 66.666% because the DNA only comes from three people. (Mildred and the other grandparents)Enos 'if he ever was involved' would eventually have his DNA weined out. Also Mildred's DNA in Fry seems to increase because Fry already has some of her DNA when he impregnated her and get's slightly more each time he performs the "past nastification".

[Reply #88 on:]

sorry too nag but this has been done uh....4 times allready! sorry to interfire!   

[Reply #89 on:]

And it's hurting my brain!!! 

[Reply #90 on:]

yeah

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In the words of farnsworth:

"Choke on that, causality!"

It did.  It choked and died.  There is no cause or effect, meerly that which is. We carry on through it, placing the highest value in observation, which is the least valuable to realization (i.e. the existing unobserved).  These forces are surely incomprehensible when realized through observation, for cause and effect does not apply.  Therefore, the only true path to comprehension is realization.

How to simply-fy?

Eureka!

DEAL WITH IT!

[Reply #92 on:]

EspBot says: God doesn't play dice... but he's damn good at poker.

Fry doesn't need a explaination he just is. Admitedly it would be physically impossible to be your own grandfather but the Nibblonians probably used some form of reality manipulation device to cheat causality after all they've had since before the beginning of the universe to gain massively advenced science.

[Reply #93 on:]

Well, I think there is one thing we can all agree on. These paradox things are CONFUSING. 

[Reply #94 on:]

amen to that!

[Reply #95 on:]

ook, that ends that, or maybe not

[Reply #96 on:]

Actually, after reading this thread it kinda makes you wanna end up like Fry in Cami's avatar...

[Reply #97 on:]

Personally, I can't believe people actually still try to reason this out. Even more unbeliveable is that some have tried to prove Fry isn't his own grandfather. That undermines one of main storylines and makes the show almost pointless in that context. I'll admit it's fun to tear ideas to tiny bits and analyze them, but I like Fry's line best.

Fry: Magic. Got it!

 

[Reply #98 on:]

Actually, since fry had no children of his own, all his children are related through his brother yancy. The only measure of how closely related they are is how many generations removed they are.

And wasn't farnsworth actually his ONLY living relative (excluding cubert), not just his closest? I don't remember for sure...

Fry had a daughter. It was his mother. Booyah.

[Reply #99 on:]

Actually, since fry had no children of his own, all his children are related through his brother yancy. The only measure of how closely related they are is how many generations removed they are.

And wasn't farnsworth actually his ONLY living relative (excluding cubert), not just his closest? I don't remember for sure...

Fry had a daughter. It was his mother. Booyah.

Fry had a son, not a daughter. Enos begot Yancy who begot Philip who begot Yancy who begot Philip who begot Yancy ad infinitum.

[Reply #100 on:]

Oh my god he didn't have a son you idiot. Fry's mother is his daughter. Why do you think she's like a female clone of him.

Enis was SUPPOSED to be his grandfather but wasn't he wasn't his son...

And your logic is flawed Fry's dad named him Philip after the screwdriver.

I win.

You lose.

Get over it.

[Reply #101 on:]

Oh my god he didn't have a son you idiot. Fry's mother is his daughter. Why do you think she's like a female clone of him.

Going out on a limb here, because he is her son?

[Reply #102 on:]

Actually, since fry had no children of his own, all his children are related through his brother yancy. The only measure of how closely related they are is how many generations removed they are.

This post bothered me and I wanted to argue about it.

http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Futurama_Wiki this page has incorrect information on Fry's geneology.

Fry had a daughter it was his mother. They look very similar because she takes after him.



Yancy's father's name was Yancy all the way back to minuteman Yancy Fry. Just because Fry and his father share a surname does not make his father Fry's son, the genetics are still mixed from his mother's end. I don't seem to think Mildred took Enis's surname, Fry is a very common name. It's like Smith.

His father named him "Philip" after the screwdrivers, there is no "pattern" of naming.

[Reply #103 on:]

Fry isn't a common last name. Your theory is bad and you should feel bad.

[Reply #104 on:]

BUT they look so god damn like the same...

[Reply #105 on:]

Matt Groening is a shitty artist.

[Reply #106 on:]

jesse, as I said in the other thread... she's his mother. By what logic does their mutual resemblance mean fry must be the parent rather than the child? He takes after her.

Also, I can't see any way your post is actually responding to the one of mine that you quoted. Did you quote the wrong one?

[Reply #107 on:]

What Gopher said. Fry takes after his mother, Fry had sex with Mildred who gave birth to Fry's Dad. Remember when Fry shouts "Everything's gonna be alright, Dad!" at Enos' crotch? I'm pretty sure that means Enos and Mildred were supposed to be Fry's grandparents on his father's side... Either way, it doesn't really matter.

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Pff I like my theory better.

[Reply #109 on:]

Umm, shoot me down in flames already but I'm inclined to follow Jesse's theory. If we look beyond the fact that Fry takes after his mother...well his mother takes after Enos, doesn't she? Or does Fry get his wavey ginger hair from both sides of his family? I know there's some concept drawing that marks the character down as Enos Fry but actually in the episode he's never actually identified as being a "Fry" if I remember correctly and as for Fry shouting at his dad in Enos' crotch...well, we've long established that he's an idiot, haven't we? Alright, last few points are strained, but also, if the episode establishes that the spacecraft that crashed at Roswell always was the Planet Express ship (or Bender at least) and the "alien" always was Zoidberg, then it suggests that Fry was always his own grandpa and which of his two parents bares the greatest resemblance...?

[Reply #110 on:]

   Yancy's father's name was Yancy all the way back to minuteman Yancy Fry.

Philip J. Fry's father's father (i.e. grandfather) was left out of the list of ancestral Yancys which almost certainly means that he was not named Yancy.

 Mr. Fry: Son, your name is Yancy, just like me and my grandfather and so on. All the way back to minuteman Yancy Fry, who blasted commies in the American Revolution.

Note that Fry's dad doesn't say "just like me, my father, my grandfather and so on."

[Reply #111 on:]

That's because his Grandfather's name was Enos. His parent's must have skipped the "Yancy" naming trend.... *See Roswell that Ends Well*

But of course, we all know Fry is is his own grandfather, so really, his Grandfather's name is Phillip J Fry.

[Reply #112 on:]

But then how come instead of saying "Lets name him Philip after the screwdrivers." Fry's father doesn't say "Lets name him Philip (or Enos) after my father." Or did Mildred just pawn off the shame of being preggers with a vagrant by lying and saying it was Enos's child the whole time... That's rather likely actually. Now that I think about it. 

Any gingers care to tell us if ginger genes are recessive and need to be on both sides of the family? It just didn't seem really likely to me.

[Reply #113 on:]

not a ginger, but both parents need to be _carriers_ of the redhead gene (but neither needs to have red hair themselves) before their kids can have red hair.

Mildred and Fry could be the parents of Fry's mum (a redhead) if Mildred carries the redhair gene. They could also be the parents of Fry's dad (who would then be a carrier of the redhair gene) if Mildred was not a carrier.

edit: I think... it's been a while since gcse-level biology...

[Reply #114 on:]

But then how come instead of saying "Lets name him Philip after the screwdrivers." Fry's father doesn't say "Lets name him Philip (or Enos) after my father."

Because when did Fry ever tell Mildred his name?

[Reply #115 on:]

To make it simple for idiots, I've resorted to another patented crappily made MSpaint diagram.



It's simple, people. Fry is his own paternal grandfather, and the X chromasome he inherited from his mother dictates his phenotype. It would seem that the X chromasome also dictates the phenotype of member's of his brother's family too.

The diagram hopefully makes it clear. Stop insisting Fry's mother is his daughter.

[Reply #116 on:]

I think another explanation why Fry's mother looks a lot like Fry is because his parents are distantly related, possibly both are descendants of Minuteman Yancy Fry who had the ginger gene. The family linage on his mom's side may have gotten lost after nearly 200 years. That is clearly more than enough time to lose track of someone's ancestry.

Also the reason why Enos did not inherent the name Yancy is because he wasn't the eldest son. Then a reason why Fry's father was named Yancy instead of Enos is because Enos' parents might have been supportive of Mildred who thought the child was their grandson.

Edited to add: I think that Enos's older brother might have been killed in WWII and therefore had no children to pass the name on to. (This might explain Enos' career choice during peacetime.)

[Reply #117 on:]

To make it simple for idiots, I've resorted to another patented crappily made MSpaint diagram.

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Incorrect diagram is incorrect.

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Enos is specifically called Enos Fry within the special features. Also of note, Fry's mother's maiden name is Gleisner. Mildred claimed her son was her fiance's and named him after his supposed grandfather because it was the 1940's.

Edit:Dang, I was hoping the quote would fix the background. Click the link to see the lines...

[Reply #118 on:]

How is my diagram incorrect? It shows an incomplete version of the one on the infosphere, which you linked to. Mine contains additional information, but misses out a lot of the unrelated stuff in the complete family tree.

My diagram doesn't contradict any of this.

[Reply #119 on:]

Actualy your image says Mildred is related to Yancy(Presumably Minuteman)
Where as the Infosphere seems to suggest she is not.