Fry's geneology

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Yeah but if the testes were damaged....  daily produced sperm wouldn't be enough...

Edit: A long time unnoticed late edited TOTPD         

[Reply #41 on:]

But again, the worms repaired his body. They are at least as good as new.

[Reply #42 on:]

Thanks, Teral for the warm welcome... but since I believe that time travel can ONLY be possible if there is a thing called "fate", it would have happened anyways.
Or, actually, I mean it can only be possible within the SAME universe if fate exists... Because I'm a believer of the chaos theory, so therefore even the slightest action performed in the past will have to split the universe in two: one where the action is performed and one where it isn't... I have thought a lot about my view upon the technicalities concerning our universe. And can you believe how thrilled I was when I read the "Hitchhiker" series by Douglas Noel Adams and found out that not only is it the greatest series of books EVER- he also shares my perception of "the mish mash" (read it!)... Oww, I have to change the subject, coz I could go on and on for (p)ages about this. So here's the next POV from me:
About the F-ray... he DOES only mention that his SPERM (a word I could not imagine i would ever have to emphasize with capital letters, but I did just now) was hurt- not the huevos... But considering Fry's mental state, he might not have been right, in which case the parasites would have to have fixed the problem.

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First, huevos (for people who don't know that) means eggs (testicles), but otherwise i completely agree with you. This universe is just a set of strings and so is futurama, since it's part (even fictional) of this universe. I think to really solve time paradoxes, you'd have to crack down on questions that more than two thousand years of philosophy haven't been able to answer such as : Is there such a thing as fate? destiny? is life real or just our (or someone eslse's for that purpose) imagination? as much as i like futurama, i don't think time paradoxes are good enough reasons to waste anyone's life on thoughts most people don't even bother to try to understand.

[Reply #44 on:]

But why dosn't someone take the initaitive to write the writers and find out exactly what happened?

But I believe that it was all going to happen anyway, destiny you know. I think Fry has always been his own grandfather, and I think Farnsworth is actually a decendant from Yancey (who named his son Philip Fry), so farnsworth is actually af decendant from Philip Fry Jr. So Farnsworth is actually a decendant from Yansey, so the statement that Fry is Farnsworth's great (a lot of greats later) uncle is true.
Uncle meaning your fathers brother.

So I don't think Fry actually changed anything. Enos being gay, he would never had done it with Mildred.

Just my thoughts.   

[Reply #45 on:]

There is however a problem with fry being his own grandfather. Each parent of a child passes on exactly half of that childs genes. i.e. 1/2 of YOU is from your mum and 1/2 from your dad and half of each of them is from their parents. Therefore you are exactly 1/4 the genes of each of your grandparents. If you were your own Grandfather then the 1/4 of the genes you would eventually give to yourself, from yourself (?) would be constantly decreasing each time the genes got passed on. so you would have 1/4 of 1/4 the first time you passed it on and 1/4 of that the next. Therefor fry would eventually be passing on so little of his own DNA that the genes that he has would be about 1/3 of each of the rest of his grandparents. This means it wouldn't matter if he was passing on his own enus genes the first time as soon enough the genes that got through would not be his anyway.

[Reply #46 on:]

feanix - Fry only really goes back once and when he is born 30-odd years later this is the same person who lives the same life and will give the same genes to his son/father. Of course, this means that Fry would have a grandson who has exactly the same DNA as himself the odds of which are mathematically insignificant but then time-paradoxes are always wierd.

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Im glad to see that here there are many inteligent people ( timetravel paradoxes are not easy), so i have a question:

Fry impregned Mildred and she knew his name, so years later when the Fry's(father or mother)was born, (he or she) must to know that his/her father was called Fry. In adittion Fry must to know that his grandpa was called like him, then: Why Fry remember the name "Emos", if his grandpa was called Fry?

[Reply #48 on:]

Maybe the Fry that has sex with his grandmother is slightly different from the Fry that is born of that Fry...  Then again The Day the Earth Stood Stupid came before Roswell That Ends Well (unless the chronological map is displayed wrong...) and Fry had no Delta brain wave then....

[Reply #49 on:]

 

Originally posted by Indoblable:
Fry impregned Mildred and she knew his name, so years later when the Fry's(father or mother)was born, (he or she) must to know that his/her father was called Fry. In adittion Fry must to know that his grandpa was called like him, then: Why Fry remember the name "Emos", if his grandpa was called Fry?

Fry was his last name she never heard him called phillip so she would have no idea.

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Originally posted by Indoblable:
Im glad to see that here there are many inteligent people ( timetravel paradoxes are not easy), so i have a question:

Fry impregned Mildred and she knew his name, so years later when the Fry's(father or mother)was born, (he or she) must to know that his/her father was called Fry. In adittion Fry must to know that his grandpa was called like him, then: Why Fry remember the name "Emos", if his grandpa was called Fry?

Mildred's child is Fry's dad.

Since this took place in the 40's (where getting a child out of wedlock was still considered slightly shamefull) I guess Mildred quickly found a suitable boyfriend and married him, to explain why she was pregnant. Yancy Sr was then told that this was his biological father, despite it was only his stepfather.

Then comes the problem how Yancy Sr got the lastname Fry, since (this is based on the habits of my own country back then) children always got the fathers lastname. I guess it's possible for Mildred to find another Fry, one she's not related to, or maybe she's a redneck.

Or Mildred was just ahead of her time, and insisted on the child getting her lastname.

[Reply #51 on:]

Teral, that is a good thought, however in the Why Of Fry -

Nibblonian 1: "It's a genetic abnormality which resulted when you went back in time and performed certain actions which made you your own grandfather."
Fry: "I did do the nasty in the pasty!"
Nibblonian 2: "Verily. And that past nastification is what shields you from the brains. You are the last hope of the universe."

[Reply #52 on:]

Yeah, I know that. My idea was that Fry impregnates Mildred and then return to the future. This leaves Mildred pregnant, without a boyfriend/father in the late 40's.

As I mentioned, in the late 40's getting a child out of wedlock was still somewhat shamefull, and Mildred had to find a boyfriend and marry him before giving birth to cover it up. The guy she marries is just Yancy Sr's stepfather, but Yancy is told it's his real father.

[Reply #53 on:]

My presumption was that she simply said it was the late Enos' child. It's not like he could object, he was dead.

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Adding to that, mazaite, Mildred would had to have claimed that Enos was Yancy's father, otherwise, why would Fry have ever thought that to be true in the first place?

[Reply #55 on:]

i hate time travel confusing stuff! Agh!  My small little brain can not comprehend it! Anyway i think its kinda cool that he's his own grandfather, its never been done before right?

[Reply #56 on:]

 

Originally posted by Wesley:
Adding to that, mazaite, Mildred would had to have claimed that Enos was Yancy's father, otherwise, why would Fry have ever thought that to be true in the first place?

Yancy? That was fry's brother. Why would fry's grandmother claim fry's brother came from fry's grandfather?

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Originally posted by mazaite:
 Yancy? That was fry's brother. Why would fry's grandmother claim fry's brother came from fry's grandfather?

Yancy was the name of Fry's brother, but it was also that of Fry's father, and that of Fry's great-grandfather, and so on all the way down to a Yancy who fought the commies in the American Revolution   

There are lots of "Yancys" in Fry's family, at least on his father's side   

(Remember that, in "The Luck of the Fryrish", Fry's father says something like "your name is Yancy, like me, and my grandfather, and his father, and so on..." ).

I think that the likeliest possibility is that Mildred said her child was Enos' (who, being at that point a low-density cloud of atoms, would not be in a position to object). That child could be then Yancy, Fry's father.

However... I remember that, also in "The Luck of the Fryrish", it is Fry's *mother* who looks more like him (hair colour, general facial features). I think that they never mentioned whether Mildred was Fry's paternal or maternal grandmother...

Hmmmmmmmm... So, who did Fry conceive with his own grandmother? His father, or his mother?

JoseB

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In "Roswell That Ends Well" Fry yells to Enos' crotch: "Don't worry dad, everything is going to be allright". Makes it pretty clear Mildred is his paternal grandmother. The orange hair on Fry's mom is probably just a coincidence.

Ofcourse Mildred could say the child is Enos' but then there's the problem that Enos is gay, or at least more interested in men than women. I guess the Roswell inhabitants just were to stupid to notice that.

[Reply #59 on:]

well thz for answering my question but i am still not clear but i am enjoying very much our theries

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Originally posted by Teral:
In "Roswell That Ends Well" Fry yells to Enos' crotch: "Don't worry dad, everything is going to be allright". Makes it pretty clear Mildred is his paternal grandmother. The orange hair on Fry's mom is probably just a coincidence.

Ofcourse Mildred could say the child is Enos' but then there's the problem that Enos is gay, or at least more interested in men than women. I guess the Roswell inhabitants just were to stupid to notice that.

Whoops, me stupid... How could I have forgotten the "don't worry, dad..." line?   

As to Enos, I think that he had not told anybody about his inclinations... Definitely not Mildred, most likely not his immediate family... I have the feeling that Fry was the first person Enos mentioned his doubts to. Enos struck me as a rather introverted man!

JoseB

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but then there's the problem that Enos is gay

Remember that there is never anything explicit about this. He says 'Do you ever get the feeling that you're only going with girls 'cause you're supposed to?'. And he never said anything along the lines of 'I never have, and would never shag Mildred' 

I'd be more inclined to believe that Mildred found another man named Fry (presumably a Yancy Fry) and married him, and told her son that he was his father. What messes my head up more is Fry's relationship with the professor. First he's his great, great, great, etc. uncle. Now he's his great, great, great, etc. grandfather too?!?

[Reply #62 on:]

 

Originally posted by Lurrr:
I'd be more inclined to believe that Mildred found another man named Fry (presumably a Yancy Fry) and married him, and told her son that he was his father.

Well, not really... Remember "The Luck of the Fryrish", and what Fry's father said to Yancy (it is mentioned in a post of mine a bit above) 

Yancy Sr. had a *grandfather* named Yancy, but he doesn't mention the name of his own father... That makes it unlikely that his father was also named Yancy (for it appears that Yancy Sr. is very proud of his name).

Just my 2 eurocent 

JoseB

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Okay, whatever. I wasn't paying attention.

[Reply #64 on:]

Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
I don't think it was supposed to make sense.

Exactly....!! That's what makes the show so damn brilliant, it's never been done before, and probably never again....not in the same way....

Now get on your knees and worship Futurama....I said do iiiiit

[Reply #65 on:]

How do we know Fry is his own grandfather? Maybe Enos did knock Mildred up a notch before he died. Do we know when Fry's father is born? Gay people sometimes live with people of the opposite sex to conceal their gayness. Something else could explain Fry's brainwaves (or lack of it).

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Originally posted by futuramamama:
How do we know Fry is his own grandfather?

The Nibblonians confirmed it, in "The Why of Fry".

[Reply #67 on:]

Yea futuramarama don't try to contradict or undermine the show.

That's what the writers were for.

[Reply #68 on:]

The why of Fry haven't been aired in Norway yet, and I'm still waiting for the season four DVD box.
(shucks, I can't do anything right!)

[Reply #69 on:]

oww ... brain hurts...

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Originally posted by aslate:
In Back To The Future, Marty didn't instantly disappear the day he separated his parents so they wouldn't meet.
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he did not dissapear right away because as each day went by it was less and less likely that his parents would marry thats why he started to dissapear at the dance because that was the moment where martys parents knew they would be together forever.

[Reply #71 on:]

 

*Why do all of these people think Enos was Fry's original grandfather. Didn't any of you pick up that Enos was gay? Thus, he never had sex with Mildred, thus never impregnanted her. Fry was his own grandfather since the day he was born.*

all other aspects aside (because i am just to lazy to restate everything everyone else has said(like how enos could still do Mildred even if he likes guys), i just wanted to say that the reason Fry(and everyone else) thinks Enos was originally his grandfather is because he recognizes the name when the guy ordering enos around says it, so that must mean fry was told at some point that his grandfather was named enos, which most likely means that mildred told everyone that enos was the (grand)father(when it changed to fry being his own grandfather, and mildred being a single mother who just boinked a guy who left her, and not enos, which originally it was untill fry went back and did what he did).

i hope i didn't restate what someone else said, but i didn't see anyone mention this.

[Reply #72 on:]

that is a very depressing thought. What if I lose some?

[Reply #73 on:]

Just thinking that although social mores were very much against children out of wedlock in the 40s, wouldn't the circumstances of Mildred's loss help the situation? I mean, she's engaged and regarded by the military as Enos' next-of-kin, and Enos does die in a bizarre accident on a bizarre day. Maybe Mildred's canny enough to simply use the whole 'Roswell' excitement as cover to change her name to 'Fry' and be a 'widow'....

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That slut!

[Reply #75 on:]

Um, why did Fry do this?

[Reply #76 on:]

 

Originally posted by luvnpeese:
Um, why did Fry do this?

He was stupid and horny.

In other words, for the same reasons that most people do the things that they do.   

[Reply #77 on:]

You know, Enos might not have actually been gay. He isn't that interested in women, you know that isn't such an oddity. And he just flipped the calendar over, probably to see the next picture. It was up for maybe 1 and half seconds before Fry flipped it down.

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Suspension of disbelief

[Reply #79 on:]

It might have been said before (I don't come here that often), but I just realized that Fry's father is also his own grandfather, because his son, Fry, is his father.