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Teral

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« Reply #40 on: 09-25-2003 14:45 »

Not all videotapes were destroyed during the second coming of Jesus, only a large part. They've probably become collectors items, and very valuable (like Beamer suggested). Only millionaires or dedicated collectors can afford them.

Since the new digital formats are superior in terms of quality, most people prefer those anyway.
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« Reply #41 on: 09-25-2003 15:13 »

I think Kif and Amy are a cute (also funny) couple.  I liked it better in the earlier shows tho, when she was more of an available rich floozy who could and did get any guy or any dress, but mostly stayed to single and sweat suit.
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« Reply #42 on: 09-26-2003 18:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Atticus:
...and Kif

Amy and Kif first met on the Titanic.  Amy's parents were the one's who introduced them to each other.

As said in the commentary, this was originally intended to be a side joke, but they eventually worked this in later episodes.

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« Reply #43 on: 09-27-2003 04:20 »

Hattie made love to Kif. The Amazoons said he was the most attractive male of the 3. He can't be to ugly.
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« Reply #44 on: 09-27-2003 04:58 »

Some women do find sensitive or cute guys attractive i think, but so far i've only found frivolous girls that look for jocks, backstreetboys and preps, so i dunno. In any case, maybe Amy is actually compensating for the fact that, at least around planet express, she's the "cute" and weak one (maybe Fry's weaker, i dunno)while with Kif, she's the strong and dependable element. So if you see it as a codependent relationship potentially leading to a disfunctional family, it makes much sense.
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« Reply #45 on: 09-27-2003 15:43 »

 
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Originally posted by Luis:
Some women do find sensitive or cute guys attractive i think, but so far i've only found frivolous girls that look for jocks, backstreetboys and preps, so i dunno. In any case, maybe Amy is actually compensating for the fact that, at least around planet express, she's the "cute" and weak one (maybe Fry's weaker, i dunno)while with Kif, she's the strong and dependable element. So if you see it as a codependent relationship potentially leading to a disfunctional family, it makes much sense.

Once again Luis makes a really good point.And I totally know what you mean when u said that the girls u see r only looking for jocks, backstreetboys, and preps(believe me!   roll eyes )But you bring up a good point about Amy being the weak one most of the time and then in her relationship with Kif she is kind of the assertive and strong one.
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« Reply #46 on: 09-27-2003 20:57 »

 
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Originally posted by Xmpel:
Hattie made love to Kif. The Amazoons said he was the most attractive male of the 3. He can't be to ugly.

He was hiding on the ceiling. Zap and Fry were already "moving-on" to their next "exesicutionars" (me spelling no good-good). In Where the Buggalo Roams he dosen't even know wat making love is.   
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But i think the realationship is a good part of the show. How else are they suppose to rub Leela with Zap again! The bargain they has on the videophone was a killer in Amazon Mood! I laugehd my side silly..   big grin
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« Reply #47 on: 11-12-2003 08:32 »

I'm a hopeless romantic. I think that it doesn't matter if it's a person dating a...a tree! As long as they're both in love, it's all that matters. I myself think that Kif and Amy's relationship is adorable. We need a human dating Zoidberg, I say!
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« Reply #48 on: 11-12-2003 17:15 »

I think that is a nice enough part of the show, although I do like most of the romance featured in Futurama. I do have some qualms about how pathetic they meade Kif look especially after how sarcastic and quite strong willed in LLLIS.
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« Reply #49 on: 11-13-2003 10:43 »

kif is at his best when he is all depressed at zapp's side. he's too cheery when with amy...not that i can blame him.   good 'ole snoo snoo.
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« Reply #50 on: 11-16-2003 01:29 »

I don't think there's any problem with Amy and Kif being together. It's true - you can't base social mores for the year 3000 on the ones we have today! I mean, think about the social rules just 300 years ago - if you weren't married when you were 22-ish, you were considered an old maid, gay relationships weren't even heard of, inter-racial marriages would result in disownment. Look how much has changed today! And that's only 300 years, so we really can't predict what marriage will be like in the year 3000, we can only base our assumptions on the society that Matt Groening has created. And as we can see in Love's Labours Lost In Space, when Amy tells Leela she's being too picky by not dating people with lizard tongues, beings of energy etc., it's really commonplace to have inter-species relationships.

But if you think Amy's too good for Kif, that's a different matter. Just keep in mind that all of the main characters in Futurama are dysfunctional in some way, some more than others. Amy (as it's written in someone's signature) is a klutz. She's a bit naive as well. Don't get me wrong, I love Amy. But she's not superior over the other characters - if she was, she'd be a really boring character. And Kif, well he may be really shy, but he's a real sweetheart and he's pretty intelligent. And because of Amy's parents, she had to pick a boyfriend from the Titanic - her other choice was that gross guy at the buffet. So Kif's a great choice for her, and you can see she loves him, so they're really not a bad match.

I'm rambling, aren't I?  roll eyes

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« Reply #51 on: 11-17-2003 19:30 »

 
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Originally posted by Dolcelannah:
...inter-racial marriages would result in disownment.

Disownment ?   no no  They'd result in lynchings.

It's clear that humans dating aliens is acceptable and probably even commonplace in thirty-first century society.  Amy and Kif seem quite compatible, so there's no problem there either.

The reason that I dislike the Amy/Kif relationship is different.  I dislike it because it removes Amy as a possible love interest for Fry.  Remember the way that "Put Your Head on My Shoulders" ended?  It left both the Fry/Leela option and the Fry/Amy option open.  Wouldn't that have been more interesting than just having Fry pursue Leela all the time?  But no, instead they pair Amy off with Kif, leaving Leela as the only regular character for Fry to have as a romantic prospect.  Boring.
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« Reply #52 on: 11-17-2003 19:45 »

Having Leela and Amy as potential romances for Fry might've been interesting, but it would've taken a lot of the clout out of Fry's pursuit of Leela.  Fry desperately chasing one woman isn't such a big thing if he's also interested in another.

The Kif/Amy relationship looked like a good idea in "Amazon Women in the Mood", but it went wrong somewhere, especially in the 4th season when Kif lost his bitterness towards Zapp and became merely pathetic.
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« Reply #53 on: 11-17-2003 21:41 »

Personally, the only thing I look for in couples within cartoons is humor. Thats kind o f the point of cartoons. I think that the Amy and Kif relationship is really funney. The Amy and Fry thing was ok but all the funney ideas were used in that one episode whereas you can do a lot with a squishy green pathetic sarcastic alien and a hot martian chinease girl.
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« Reply #54 on: 11-17-2003 22:39 »

 
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Originally posted by J.P. Diddy Wow:
The Amy and Fry thing was ok but all the funney ideas were used in that one episode

Oh, I don't think so.  They could have done a lot more with it than they did.  Fry and Amy as a couple could lead to all sorts of funny situations.

Really, I would have liked it if Fry had gone out with Amy for longer than one episode.  They could have streched it out to last for a season or so.  But no, we had to follow the first rule of sitcoms: at the end of the half-hour, everything must be back the way that it was at the beginning.  Clever things make people feel stupid and unexpected things make them feel scared.
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« Reply #55 on: 11-17-2003 22:43 »

nah. they just had the sense to realize that the shippers would mutiny if Fry stayed with Amy.
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« Reply #56 on: 11-17-2003 23:21 »

I think it's a nice addition but kif/amy episodes aren't really top notch  hmpf
As for the Leela and Amy persuing thing..eh,not a big fan of ping pong, and besides, if he was persuing two women the show might have become more of a romantic comedy  puke
Altho i would have liked to see Fry dating Amy for acouple of episodes, 3-4 maby
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« Reply #57 on: 11-18-2003 00:37 »

Fry didn't really start to pursue Leela in earnest until "Parasites Lost", so as long as Fry and Amy were broken up by that episode, their relationship wouldn't interfere with Fry pursuing Leela.

It wouldn't have to be Fry pursuing both girls at the same time, either.  You could have Amy pursuing Fry, while Fry pursues Leela.  Or, you could have Fry dating Amy, and Leela becoming jealous (without admiting it, of course).  There's a lot of different things that they could have done.
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« Reply #58 on: 11-18-2003 01:03 »

They did SORT OF do that "Fry dating Amy, and Leela becoming jealous" in A Flight To Remember, although they weren't really dating - and I think that Leela's jealously in that episode was more-or-less because she was the only one alone, rather than she wanted Fry. Still, I'm pretty sure that AFTR marked the first time we discovered Fry's feelings for Leela ("my fake relationship with you means a lot more to me" ), although at the time - I think it was just to do the whole Love Boat/Three's Company parody. Still, it became much more than that in season 3.
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« Reply #59 on: 11-18-2003 10:51 »

It might also have something to with the fact that Leela and Amy were still at odds in the first season. I mean, Leela didn't so much mind Fry having another fake relationship as she resented that the fake relationship was with Amy.

If Fry and Amy had stayed together would Leela and Kif have developed mutual feelings? Or were their experience in "Brannigan Begin Again" enough to kill that idea?
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« Reply #60 on: 11-18-2003 11:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
Leela and Amy were still at odds in the first season.

When did they stop being at odds with each other?  I must have missed that one.   tongue

 
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If Fry and Amy had stayed together would Leela and Kif have developed mutual feelings?

I doubt it.  If she's repulsed by a guy with a "vile lizard tongue" she's not very likely to be interested in a squishy green guy.
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« Reply #61 on: 11-18-2003 11:59 »

plus, she didn't eaven call him by his first name in AWITM, but that just might have been a coinsidense
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« Reply #62 on: 11-18-2003 21:35 »

I think that if the fry amy thing had gone on any longer it would have ruined "Put Your Head On My Shoulder" the funniest thing was how he broke up with amy for the silliest reason.
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« Reply #63 on: 11-19-2003 00:36 »

 
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Originally posted by J.P. Diddy Wow:
the funniest thing was how he broke up with amy for the silliest reason.

I didn't think it was that funny.  The rest of the episode, with Fry's head on Amy's body after they broke up, that was funny.  But Fry breaking up with her because he thought things were getting too serious, that was stupid.  It was necessary to the storyline, but it was still stupid.
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« Reply #64 on: 11-20-2003 11:11 »

it was a 100% chick joke, altho i did find it pretty funny
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« Reply #65 on: 11-20-2003 17:19 »

I got the joke, but I was too busy being disapointed to laugh very much.  I don't fault the writers, though.  Like I said, it was necessary; but dumping Amy ranks right up there with having sex with Grandma Mildred on the list of the stupidest things that Fry has ever done.

Honestly though, I wouldn't really wan't to change "Put Your Head on My Shoulders".  It's a great episode, and I love the ending.  I'm not really that upset that the Fry/Amy relationship only lasted one episode; but I am disapointed that later episodes seem to ignore that it ever happened.  I mean, there are only two references to the fact that Fry and Amy dated in the entire rest of the series.  Most of the time, it just seems like everyone (including Fry and Amy themselves) forgot that it happened.
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« Reply #66 on: 11-20-2003 23:52 »

 
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Originally posted by David A:
Like I said, it was necessary; but dumping Amy ranks right up there with having sex with Grandma Mildred on the list of the stupidest things that Fry has ever done.

Considering, Fry's very existence depended on that past nastification, it wasn't stupid, just very confusing. smile


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« Reply #67 on: 11-21-2003 00:15 »

Fry didn't know that though.  He later found out that it was necessary, but at the time, and with the information that he had, doing the nasty in the pasty was not a bright thing to do.
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« Reply #68 on: 11-21-2003 10:42 »
« Last Edit on: 11-21-2003 10:42 »

Hmm, let's see.

Fry killed his "grandfather" and still existed. Wouldn't anyone wonder: "Hey, since I didn't get erased, she can't really be my grandmother."? In all actuality, Farnsworth provided no real proof that she was indeed his grandmother. I still argue that it wasn't stupid, knowing about it then or not.

But enough of this, let's stay on topic.
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« Reply #69 on: 11-21-2003 15:56 »

 
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By David A:
When did they stop being at odds with each other? I must have missed that one.

"Please Leela, Kif's like the sweetest guy who's ever loved me."
And Leela agree to go on a doubledate with a guy she loathes, because Amy asked her to.

And Amy reciprocates: "Cheer up Leela. You, um, you look really cute in your uniform."

So they still make stingers at each other, but it's more friendly banter in later eps, than the first 2 seasons.

 
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Originally posted by David A:
 I doubt it.  If she's repulsed by a guy with a "vile lizard tongue" she's not very likely to be interested in a squishy green guy.

Even if he is the mother of her children?  wink

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« Reply #70 on: 11-21-2003 20:47 »

Good point, Teral.  Amy and Leela do seem to get along better in later episodes.  They're still not exactly close friends though.

 
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 Even if he is the mother of her children?   wink

Well, maybe she would be then; but remember, that never would have happened without Amy as his smizmar.

Oh, and Allen, remind me never to take you time travelling, since you seem to think that it's okay to impregnate your own grandmother.   tongue
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« Reply #71 on: 11-22-2003 13:41 »

 
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I got the joke, but I was too busy being disapointed to laugh very much. I don't fault the writers, though. Like I said, it was necessary; but dumping Amy ranks right up there with having sex with Grandma Mildred on the list of the stupidest things that Fry has ever done.

Wow, you have the exact same opinion as me. I thought I was crazy for a while  roll eyes
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« Reply #72 on: 11-24-2003 12:13 »
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"I don't know why people are so uptight about sex, people should draw the line with goats!"
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David A

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« Reply #73 on: 11-25-2003 04:54 »

 
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Originally posted by Ozor Mox:
Wow, you have the exact same opinion as me. I thought I was crazy for a while   roll eyes

Nah, we're the sane ones, Ozor.  It's everyone else who's crazy.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
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« Reply #74 on: 11-26-2003 20:18 »

 
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Oh, and Allen, remind me never to take you time travelling, since you seem to think that it's okay to impregnate your own grandmother.    tongue

You're a horrible person you know that? I'm sending you the bill for the therapy I'm going to have to go through to rid myself of those images. tongue As far as I know, my own survival doesn't depend on that.

Consider this subject closed. How about those tadpoles huh? smile



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« Reply #75 on: 11-26-2003 22:06 »

Kif can't be that much of a wimp because in 300 Big Boys you see him whipping spider ass, that is until Zapp runs over him.
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« Reply #76 on: 12-12-2003 20:56 »
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I am offended that you find the realationship between me and my my smizmar both boring and nonsensical. lol Sierously though I think that the Amy/Kiff relationship is even better than the fry/leela realationship because it gives nerds like me and others on this board(you know who you are) hope that some attractive girl will recognize us for the really sweet guys we are. As MrB said Amy dates him because she realizes he'd do anything for her and he would; but he would  not, as deathofaclassic suggested be a doormat. Just that he loves her and would do anything to make her happy, including diving into a bunch of whale vomit to retrieve her gift. so meh   tongue
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« Reply #77 on: 12-13-2003 11:22 »

Also, its funney.
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« Reply #78 on: 12-14-2003 15:49 »
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Some polemics with those who like Amy/Kif relationship.
-Itīs funny: I donīt think so. Only sort of jokes what I remember are sillines on theme how Amy is stupid (or spoiled) or how Kif can be pathetic and blind in love. Truly funny...
-Character devolepment: What devolepment? Their charecters were changed thatīs something different.
     
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« Reply #79 on: 12-15-2003 18:20 »

What jokes was based on Amy being stupid?

Nothing really changed about the characters, except they now are in love.

Amy is still clumsy, rich, a bit less spoiled (hey, she's maturing), friendly and funloving.

Kif is still slightly pathetic (yes, I freely admit they overdid it in "300 Big Boyes" ), resentful of Zapp, shy and lack confidence.

Persoanlly I thought "Amazon Women In The Mood", "Where The Buggalo Roam" and "Kif Gets Knocked Up A Notch" where hillarious.

I don't see what you mean by their characters were changed. Development equals change over time.
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