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Evil Fox Exec

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« on: 08-07-2003 10:16 »

Is it just me, or does the Amy/Kif relationship make no sense?  I mean, it's not like the two are different races.  They're two different species!  So in my view, this or no different than a dog dating a cat.  Or me dating a giant space hamster.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody else feel this way?
Cube_166

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« Reply #1 on: 08-07-2003 10:42 »

it is sort of different to you and the giant space hamster, at least amy and kif are both humanoid, if not both human.
Pixilate

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« Reply #2 on: 08-07-2003 11:55 »

I also noticed that in 3ACV01, Kif is saying that he met Amy on the Titanic, yet during the 2ACV series, Amy can be see with other men - noticeably Fry.
Atticus

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« Reply #3 on: 08-07-2003 12:02 »
« Last Edit on: 08-07-2003 12:02 »

...and Kif

Amy and Kif first met on the Titanic.  Amy's parents were the one's who introduced them to each other.
Teral

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« Reply #4 on: 08-07-2003 12:15 »
« Last Edit on: 08-07-2003 12:15 »

 
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Originally posted by Pixilate:
I also noticed that in 3ACV01, Kif is saying that he met Amy on the Titanic, yet during the 2ACV series, Amy can be see with other men - noticeably Fry.

That's because Kif never called Amy after the the trip on the Titanic. In "Amazon Women In The Mood" we see she gave him her number and told him to call her. Since Kif couldn't muster up the courage to do so, Amy concluded he wasn't interested. When Kif finally admits to her that he's madly in love with her, she falls for him big time too.

 
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Originally posted by Evil Fox Exec:
I mean, it's not like the two are different races. They're two different species!

Inter-species mating and relationships are common in sci-fi shows. There's always some science mumbo-jumbo to explain the species gap. Plus, we've already seen that Kif's race and humans (standard issue and mutants)are compatible.

I've always liked the Amy/Kif relationship, and the oppurtunities it meant for developing those two characters. The only objection I have is it sometimes mean the writers make Kif to pathetic, most notably in "300 Big Boys". I liked what they did in "Amazon Women In The Mood" and "Where The Buggalo Roam". "Kif Gets Knocked Up A Notch" falls right in the middle.
SpaceCase

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« Reply #5 on: 08-08-2003 03:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Evil Fox Exec:
...the Amy/Kif relationship make no sense?

Who says relationships are supposed to make sense?
We're talkin' about emotions here. Unlike intellect, emotions aren't necessarily rational; nor follow rules of logic, nor even common sense.
Emotions are feelings. Kif's actions have elicited certain feelings from Amy.
Where's the sense in that?

Simple:

There ain't none!

For reprints of this tirade, send $4.95 to Farkle Press...
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deathofaclassic

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« Reply #6 on: 08-08-2003 08:48 »

This is one of the worse things about the show. One is a hot little Chinese number and the other is an thin, bald green alien. IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE. Good topic!!
fryfriends

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« Reply #7 on: 08-08-2003 08:55 »

 
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Originally posted by deathofaclassic:
This is one of the worse things about the show. One is a hot little Chinese number and the other is an thin, bald green alien. IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE. Good topic!!


haha i think you just sound jealous.    big grin
deathofaclassic

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« Reply #8 on: 08-08-2003 08:58 »

Of a cartoon character? Uh yeah.. Whatever
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #9 on: 08-08-2003 11:18 »

 
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Originally posted by Teral:
  Inter-species mating and relationships are common in sci-fi shows.
Heh, heh, I didn't know this.  I'm no sci-fi fan, so I didn't know that this was fairly common.  In Futurama, it just seems really bizarre to me.

BTW, Deathofaclassic, I agree with you completely.  The Amy/Kif thing is one of the worst, if not the worst, aspect of the show, IMHO.  In a Flight to Remember, it was just meant to be a throwaway gag.  But unfortunately, it turned into something bigger.  The Amy/Kif raltionship is boring, and, as I already mentioned, it makes no sense to me.  Kif's only funny when he's being belittled by Zapp. 

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« Reply #10 on: 08-08-2003 12:27 »

What I never understood is why Amy's parents dislike Kif so much in Where The Buggalo Roam as it was them who introduced Amy to Kif in A Flight To Remember
Teral

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« Reply #11 on: 08-08-2003 12:38 »

Because in "A Flight To Remember" he was captain of a large ship (all they really looked at), in "Where The Buggalo Roam" he was a squishy alien to skinny to father grandchildren.

Chump

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« Reply #12 on: 08-08-2003 13:08 »

Biologically speaking, as long as they have the same number of DNA, they can produce offspring. If they're too radically different, the child will either be stillborn or sterile. (Eg, when a horse and a donkey mate, they have a mule, but the mule is sterile.) Therefore, all those children that Kif had by Leela's DNA could be sterile. Or perhaps Leela's mutated DNA allows her to mate with Kif successfully? That would probably be the responce of someone who didn't want to say WIZARD!
Kitt

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« Reply #13 on: 08-09-2003 03:32 »

I love the Amy/Kif relationship - it's my favourite thing about Futurama.

"This is one of the worse things about the show. One is a hot little Chinese number and the other is an thin, bald green alien. IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE."

It can and does happen in real life - not alien dating, of course, but attractive women choosing a man because of his kind, decent, sensitive personality, rather than based on whether he's 'hot' or not. Amy says in 'Amazon Women in the Mood' that she 'just wishes a decent guy would call me'. Kinda sounds like she's sick of attractive men with nothing below the surface.
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« Reply #14 on: 08-09-2003 05:22 »

 
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Originally posted by Evil Fox Exec:
Is it just me, or does the Amy/Kif relationship make no sense?  I mean, it's not like the two are different races.  They're two different species!  So in my view, this or no different than a dog dating a cat.  Or me dating a giant space hamster.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody else feel this way?

well a couple of hundred years ago a black person and a white person would be frowned apon but now look. in a thousand years opinions and thoughts will change and two different species will be as common as races.
Beamer

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« Reply #15 on: 08-09-2003 06:55 »

Exactly. Dating people from different races is no longer unnacceptable in most places of the world. Surely, in 1000 years, when humans have explored the whole universe and live everyday lives with aliens - then people dating creatures from different planets would sooner or later become socially acceptable too.

Although I personally think Amy & Kif's relationship was just a sneaky little thing the writers did so they had an excuse to keep putting Zapp & Kif in the show.  wink
deathofaclassic

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« Reply #16 on: 08-09-2003 07:02 »

I love the Amy/Kif relationship - it's my favourite thing about Futurama.
"This is one of the worse things about the show. One is a hot little Chinese number and the other is an thin, bald green alien. IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE."

It can and does happen in real life - not alien dating, of course, but attractive women choosing a man because of his kind, decent, sensitive personality, rather than based on whether he's 'hot' or not. Amy says in 'Amazon Women in the Mood' that she 'just wishes a decent guy would call me'. Kinda sounds like she's sick of attractive men with nothing below the surface.
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Listen dear, Not only is Kif a completely different species to Amy (Who'd want to go out wih a PREGNANT MAN for God's sake? Well, apart from Emma Thompson..) but he is also a WIMP and seems to spend half his life being ordered about by that twit Zapp Brannigan. He also lacks any discernable personality, and would be a poor catch even if he was a Russell Crowe look-alike. However, as he is an ugly, spindly green thingie in addition to all that, it is impossible to see what Amy sees in him. Maybe she's spent too much time in space..
Shadowstar

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« Reply #17 on: 08-09-2003 08:40 »

The Amy/Kif relationship is a bit odd, but it's all right. But not when you have a whole episode about it, IE: "Kif Gets Knocked up a Notch". That episode sucked the character out of both of them. We need it in moderation, like "Amazon Women in the Mood".
Jamesbondcja

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« Reply #18 on: 08-09-2003 09:02 »

Sure the relationship is a little wierd but come on look at the rest of the cast - Futurama is a great show riddeled with total wierdness.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #19 on: 08-09-2003 14:40 »

Yeah, it's true that the show is really weird.  But the fact that Amy would go out with another specie is more than too weird for me to accept.  Especially considering that Kif really is a little green wimp supported by  a system of bladders.  I'm just really dissapointed that it was carried so far in the series.

Oh well, I guess it really is a wizard.
OC_James

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« Reply #20 on: 08-09-2003 15:37 »
« Last Edit on: 08-09-2003 15:37 »

Yes, indeed the Amy/Kif thing is odd. But isn't love itself odd? I have a cousin down south who had a strange love for other species and now he was recently on a radio show talking about his...love for animals. Especially, a whale who broke his heart (among other things).
Killerfox

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« Reply #21 on: 08-09-2003 16:03 »

i just think that the Amy/Kif relationship is so cool  smile i really like it, it does make sense to me i mean if a Jew can Marry a German then everything is possible! (just J/K)

P.D. @EvilFoxExec: can i see a picture with you and your hampster boyfriend :P
MrB

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« Reply #22 on: 08-09-2003 16:30 »

Oh, it's no big deal.  Kif may not be good looking, or have a demanding personality.  But Amy knows that Kif would do anything for her.  And sometimes opposites attract, you just never know.
No one here seems to have any problems with Lucy Liu dating Bender!
Jamesbondcja

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« Reply #23 on: 08-09-2003 17:18 »

 
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Originally posted by MrB:

No one here seems to have any problems with Lucy Liu dating Bender!

Yeh whats with that??

  wink   big grin   wink   big grin

I'm A firm believer in the philosophy of a ruling class.

Especially since I rule.
Killerfox

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« Reply #24 on: 08-09-2003 18:28 »

That is majorly why i think if Amy were real she sould be dating me  wink
Ozor Mox

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« Reply #25 on: 08-09-2003 18:57 »

I think you might find you have to put up a fight for her!
Zack Brannigan

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« Reply #26 on: 08-09-2003 23:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Killerfox:
That is majorly why i think if Amy were real she sould be dating me   wink

My girlfriend somewhat resembles Amy . . .

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payn
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« Reply #27 on: 08-09-2003 23:54 »

Amy is a girl who thinks sex with pure energy beings is perfectly normal. So why would she have a problem with dating a semi-humanoid being like Kif?

For Leela, it would be out of character; for Amy, it makes complete sense.
Zack Brannigan

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« Reply #28 on: 08-09-2003 23:56 »

"For Leela, it would be out of character; for Amy, it makes complete sense."

I don't know how out-of-character it would be . . . after all, Leela and Kif both are annoyed with and have been humiliated by Zapp Branigan.  At least they have something in common.  That, and they're relatively un-appreciated in their work.
Britz

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« Reply #29 on: 08-10-2003 03:38 »

In Elizabethan times the definative 'love conquers all' romance was Romeo and Juliet, depressing but it sent the message of to star-crossed crzy kids falling in love despite their families being at ends.

"When Harry Meet Sally" definitive romance story of last generation showing age doesn't matter when love is in the mix.

This generation has Amy and Kif shipping, love conquers even biological mismatching.....

What the hell went wrong with the human race recently?
deathofaclassic

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« Reply #30 on: 08-10-2003 05:01 »
« Last Edit on: 08-10-2003 05:01 by VelourFog »

 
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Originally posted by MrB:
Oh, it's no big deal.  Kif may not be good looking, or have a demanding personality.  But Amy knows that Kif would do anything for her.  And sometimes opposites attract, you just never know.
No one here seems to have any problems with Lucy Liu dating Bender!

So basically you're saying that with Amy he'd be just as much a doormat as he is with Zapp. RRiigghhtt. Nice to see you have his best interests at heart. If I was a true friend, I would advise him to get some lessons in self-confidence. And maybe put some more carbohydrates in his diet.

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Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #31 on: 08-10-2003 15:43 »

Lucy Liu dating Bender was just a throwaway gag.  The writers didn't exploit it like they did with Amy and Kif.  As I mentioned before, the AMy and Kif thing in A Flight to Remember, and maybe to a certain extent Amazon Women in the Mood, was just a throwaway gag.  But then it got rediculously exploited.

Come to think of it, why would Kif feel the need to date another specie?  It's not like he's the only one of his type.  I mean, think about it.  The head of DOOP as seen in Brannigan, Begin Again is of Kif's specie.  It's kinda sick if you ask me, that Kif would feel the need to date a human.

 
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Originally posted by Killerfox:P.D. @EvilFoxExec: can i see a picture with you and your hampster boyfriend :P
Well, the Giant Space Hamster was obviously a joke on my part.  I just used it to show how rediculous the Amy/Kif relationship is  wink.  Although I really do have a pet hamster, in case you were wondering.  I scanned a picture of me holding him, but it's on another computer.  If you really wanna see my cute little pet hammy, I could post it and the internet and send you the link.

payn
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« Reply #32 on: 08-10-2003 23:38 »

 
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Originally posted by Zack Brannigan:
I don't know how out-of-character it would be . . . after all, Leela and Kif both are annoyed with and have been humiliated by Zapp Branigan.  At least they have something in common.  That, and they're relatively un-appreciated in their work.

When they hung around together, Leela found his bitching about Zapp to be annoying, rather than something to bond over. Keeping around a reminder of a horrible mistake you'd rather forget is generally not something people do.

Think about it this way: If you slept with a horrible girl/guy/hamster, would you want to date their friend, or avoid anyone who ever had anything to do with them?

But I meant it was out of character because Leela is quite speciesist--she actually wants to find another one-eyed almost-human like herself--while Amy will sleep with anything on two, zero, or 1-pi*i legs.

Amy's attitude seems to be surprisingly common in the future. Of course it's typical in sci-fi for everyone to want human chicks ("Mars needs women" ), but their females seem to want human males as well (remember the decapodian who wanted Fry?). Which is a nice twist. And it goes the other way too: the Amazonians wanted Kif too, not just Amy.

Of course everyone in the future is apparently straight (which makes me wonder how aliens with three sexes, or six, or one fit into the whole thing...), but I think that's just because NBC has patented the idea of putting gay characters on network TV.
Kryten

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« Reply #33 on: 08-11-2003 00:38 »

Except for Randy... and the professional beach bully... and the weather balloon...
Australian Guy

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« Reply #34 on: 08-11-2003 02:03 »

 
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Originally posted by Evil Fox Exec:
Is it just me, or does the Amy/Kif relationship make no sense?  I mean, it's not like the two are different races.  They're two different species!  So in my view, this or no different than a dog dating a cat.  Or me dating a giant space hamster.

Just out of curiosity, does anybody else feel this way?

They are both humanoid and both People.
Evil Fox Exec

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« Reply #35 on: 08-11-2003 11:47 »

They're not both of the specie Homo Sapian.  That's the point I'm trying to make.
ThreeDLou

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« Reply #36 on: 08-11-2003 13:30 »

Aren't we applying a system that is by far 1000 years out of date? I mean, after a couple of destructions of NNY and aliens all over the place, (AND no video tapes, thank you, Jesus), who's to say what's going on with the choices future people make about their mates? 
Amy's parents want grandchildren but what about Amy?  She doesn't seem to be in any hurry.  It's just as well, she's only in college. 
1 of the gang

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« Reply #37 on: 09-24-2003 23:30 »

The real question is, when it comes to love does age,race,species etc matter?And like as long as they aren't like Bender and The PE ship dating then tis all good. =D
Killbot Bot Jnr
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« Reply #38 on: 09-25-2003 06:10 »

There are video tapes.
Fry was watching some in "A Fishfull of Dollars".
Beamer

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« Reply #39 on: 09-25-2003 06:34 »

I always assumed the tapes in A Fishfull of Dollars were the only surviving tapes from the 20th century, hence why Fry could only afford them when he became a billionaire.
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