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Mango

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« Reply #80 on: 07-31-2003 03:05 »
« Last Edit on: 07-31-2003 03:05 »

"Don't mess with Mother Nature!"

...wait, that's a butter commercial.  Never mind.

edit: Oh my goodness gracious golly gosh, my insignificant irrelavant post made the top of the page! *sniff* I'm....I'm so happy!  I'd like to thank my mommy, my dog Charlie,  and my late hermit crab Jojo, who was eaten by my cat Tiki.  Oh, I'd never dreamed this moment would come!  And now, friends, please join me, in my first time carrying on the grand tradition of doing the top of the page dance...*is dragged off by the men in white coats for going on such an offtopic rant*
SpaceCase

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« Reply #81 on: 07-31-2003 05:20 »

 
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Originally posted by Monty Carlo:
...When it comes down to do-or-die, they both have been willing to rise to the challanges, and have been willing to sacrifice themselves for the other...

Fry has obviously been willing to lay down his life for Leela's sake: See L&R, and TS, in particular.
Refresh my memory; when has Leela been willing to literally risk death to save Fry? Don't get me wrong; I agree there's something there. Leela is willing to take risks for Fry, and she does care for him, but: When has she expressly put her life on the line to save him?
In TSHL she was trying to save herself and Fry, as in F&TSF, AVTR, L&R: But in 'The Sting' when they were in the hive fleeing the bees, she didn't so much as look over her shoulder for Fry.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd like to know what examples lead you to your conclusion.
I'll shut up now...

PS. Just in case no one else has: Welcome to P.E.E.L.
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #82 on: 07-31-2003 08:19 »

she hasn't risked her life to save him, but she does save him in almost every episode.  so it's just about as equal.  but, it's true, she didn't really risk her life to save him.  maybe we'll see that in devil's hands are idle playthings.
Monty Carlo

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« Reply #83 on: 07-31-2003 08:41 »

Well, now that you mention it, I guess times where she puts her life explicitly on the line for him are  few, but offhand, I can think of My Three Suns, when she takes a whole crowd of those liquid-beings to save him, even after their little tiff. 

For me, a lot of evidence comes from The Sting.  She has a few lines similar to "The only place I feel happy is in my dreams, with you" and "{Fry's messages} got through".   I know those aren't direct pieces of evidence, but Dr. Frued might have a lot to say about those things.
Teral

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« Reply #84 on: 07-31-2003 14:35 »

Besides My Three Suns" there really haven't been a case of Leela diving head-first into a situation to save Fry, without any thought about her own safety. Mainly because the situation and/or Leela's skills never called for it.

One exception might be breaking his fall in "Xmas Story". One could argue she doesn't consider the fact that Fry's weight might be big enough to drag her down too. Fry's heavier than Leela, and breaking a fall is hard enough in the first place. Add to that she goes outside even though she know Santa is lurking in the streets.

But there are several "minor" instances were Leela's quick reactions or concern for Fry have saved his life.

The organ dealers in "My Three Suns".

Stopping Fry from jumping into the lave in "Jurassic Bark".

Beating up the guards in "War Is The H-Word."

etc.
DmitriZoidburg

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« Reply #85 on: 07-31-2003 15:39 »

I do have to disagree with what has been said on one point.  I believe Zapp does have feelings for Leela but is simply too set in his womanizing ways to be able to be a real man about it.  Just my 2.
BrainDeadZombie

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« Reply #86 on: 07-31-2003 23:42 »
« Last Edit on: 07-31-2003 23:42 »

Killerfox : You're quite right
Sorry, but the other boy did it first and I wanted to be popular

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In fact it may even be that proximity may affect phenotype - our physical type - after all dogs look like their owners and we all know cases where people look like a step parent or adopted parent, and science can't explain that - well, actually yes it can, but can it satisfactorily?

There is also a survival of the fittest among ideas which transends the physical - and if Darwin had had no children he will still have changed the human outlook and maybe forever - although the forever bit is unlikely.

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mazaite

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« Reply #87 on: 08-01-2003 01:06 »

 
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Originally posted by BrainDeadZombie:

There is also a survival of the fittest among ideas which transends the physical - and if Darwin had had no children he will still have changed the human outlook and maybe forever - although the forever bit is unlikely.

My point exactly. And I don't know about Forever. Especialy if we have another "Alexandrea Incident" I'm looking at you arabia.

Michael Zaite
SpaceCase

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« Reply #88 on: 08-01-2003 04:08 »

 
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Originally posted by Monty Carlo:
Well, now that you mention it, I guess times where she puts her life explicitly on the line for him are  few, but offhand, I can think of My Three Suns, when she takes a whole crowd of those liquid-beings to save him, even after their little tiff. 

For me, a lot of evidence comes from The Sting.  She has a few lines similar to "The only place I feel happy is in my dreams, with you" and "{Fry's messages} got through".   I know those aren't direct pieces of evidence, but Dr. Frued might have a lot to say about those things.

1) I believe Leela does have feelings for Fry (to the extent one theoretical person can do so for another).
2) I don't believe the situations in M3S or XS were intended to represent life threatening situations to Leela.
3) Leela's actions are consistant with her 'character design' and feelings toward Fry: She'll take risks for him, but not to the same degree Fry will for her.
So,
Are you attempting to balance the 'quality' of Fry's risk-taking for Leela's sake with Leela's 'quantity' of risk-taking for Fry's sake?
Did that last bit make any sense at all?
  confused
payn
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« Reply #89 on: 08-04-2003 10:18 »

Meaningless flirtation is fun. Sometimes more fun than sex.

Maybe Leela is just smart enough to realize that a relationship with Fry would be pretty bad--and maybe even to realize that he's better off with his fantasy than with that realization.

 
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ANYMORE HERE!!! HUH!!!
She went on one date with the Dean, but he never called her back.

 
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Originally posted by Aussie Dude:
4 She is keeping him keen so that he can be her 'Safety Guy' in case she doesnt snag anyone better
Yes, it's horrible that those evil women do this, while honorable men would never do such a thing. And it's just a coincidence that the Japanese hav a word for "safety girl" (it's "paku" ) but no male counterpart, right?

Yes, women are scum. And men are scum. And love is an illusion. But sometimes it helps women and men stop acting like scum, so maybe it's a good thing.
1 of the gang

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« Reply #90 on: 09-24-2003 23:49 »

I think Leela flirts on and off with Fry because in one episode she is reminded of how sweet,cute,funny etc. Fry is and then in another episode she is reminded of why he has never had a "serious relationship"(but then again I think Leela is dumb for not just going out with Fry)(Fry is the best *wink* )
Squeezit

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« Reply #91 on: 09-25-2003 00:06 »
« Last Edit on: 09-25-2003 00:06 »

I don't get how everyone thinks Fry and Leela will last. Sure they did in that alternate universe, but I know from EXPERIENCE that dating STUPID people in particular, just doesn't work. You get tired of hearing them read books out loud. You get tired of trying to have a conversation about politics, and the guy goes back to reading a book out loud. I can see them being good friends for life, but I just don't see them getting along while breathing down each other's necks day in and day out. Fry doesn't get it because no one thinks of him or herself as being a moron--an intellectual inferior--but Leela sure the hell can tell and she doesn't want them cookies in her pie.

Now Fry and BENDER, there's a match made in heaven. Their personalities are perfect for each other. Bender could be robosexual afterall.

I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it.
- Ashleigh Brilliant
mazaite

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« Reply #92 on: 09-25-2003 01:44 »

Problem is fry's stupidity is inconsistant. He's only an idiot when it's funny. Other times he's fairly average. Fry isn't stupid stupid. He's selectively dumb.
Teral

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« Reply #93 on: 09-25-2003 14:50 »

I think Fry's problem is mainly a short attention span. He seems to quickly lose interest in things. "Magic. Got it." Admittedly some of it is a genuine lack in the brain department, but the attention span is a factor too. I think...

Ofcourse that doesn't make it any less annoying to date him.
Rover

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« Reply #94 on: 09-25-2003 19:09 »

It seems as though when Fry's with a woman he wants, he will get really romantic. And Squeezit, not all stupid people are the same. There are different variations.
phoenixie

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« Reply #95 on: 09-26-2003 11:31 »

i think the reason why Leela only flirts with Fry & doesnt go out with him is because she has had relationships with lazy guys before & she wants someone more productive. Someone who is more intelligent, and wont mess things up as much as Fry does.
Fry is the type of guy who makes an exellent friend, but bad boyfriend.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #96 on: 09-26-2003 12:59 »

Fry has the capability of becoming more than he is though, which is a positive in his favor.  He is, at one moment, fairly coherent, and the next, completely oblivious.  Some people have speculated that it's an act, others that it's a kind of arrested development.  Fry does have things that Leela needs, like a better sense of humor, while Leela provides the grounding that Fry needs. 

Still, Leela herself has done some pretty stupid things too, but she is less able to admit to others, or herself, when she does that.  Fry on the other hand, can admit it to the world, but is less able to when it comes to common sense stuff.
persephohi

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« Reply #97 on: 09-30-2003 21:43 »

Well, even though no one's responded to this in a while, I feel compelled to throw my two cents into the ring.  This is really long and somewhat pretentious.  I need to stop psychoanalyzing fictional characters.

Now, I'm hardly what you'd call a die-hard romantic, but I do like Leela and Fry together, for varying reasons.  They're both flawed people (as is everyone), and in certain ways, they each tend to balance the other's shortcomings a little bit.  For example: Fry is a very impulsive person who tends to react to things on a very emotional level, whereas Leela is more restrained and tends to approach things from a more logical standpoint.  Fry's impulsiveness tends to get him into trouble a lot and Leela's level-headedness pulls his fat out of the frier; conversely, Leela tends to over-rationalize things, and she often makes poor decisions in regards to emotional issues because of it, whereas Fry, in his emotional reactions, can sometimes help open her eye to the realm of possibility outside sheer rationality.  When it comes to romance, Leela tends to think too much, whereas Fry doesn't think enough, but together they tend to balance each other out: they kind of exemplefy the meaning of the myth of Cupid and Psyche; the marriage of heart and mind to make love.

I agree that Leela has been hurt a lot in the past, not only the men she dated or wanted to date, but by people in general.  She grew up in an orphanage, surrounded by people who constantly made fun of and degraded her, including her martial arts instructor.  She was made to feel unloved, disrespected, and outcast through her whole life, and she's making poor choices in men based largely around this.  What Leela wants is stability and respect, two things she didn't have when she was a kid, and she dates "important" people because she figures that those are things they can give her.  She desires to be "normal" and that's not something she feels Fry can give her.  The thing Leela's starting to realize toward the end of the show is that what she's wanted in a man her whole life might not be attained through the means she thought; Fry's hardly the brightest bulb in the box, but, while he has his moments, he's pretty honest about who he is and is at heart a good person, unlike a lot of the men she's dated.  He accepts her for who she is, he respects her, he genuinely cares about her, and even with his short attention span, he still hasn't given up on her.  But he's still slobby, unmotivated, unambitious, lazy, somewhat piggish at times, irresponsible, immature, and sometimes just flat-out dumb, which makes him a major risk for her, even weighed against all his posatives.  I think she does like him, but he's not offering her a lot of what she thinks she wants, and so isn't offering him much of a chance.  What she's going to eventually realize (I think) is that she's going to have to make a choice between going for stability and continuing to date the sorts of people she has been, or if she's going to swallow her pride, take a chance and try someone who really loves her.

--Bevin
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #98 on: 09-30-2003 23:29 »

Girls like being all powerful. They like leading you around and teasing you. They like to know that you want them bad and you can't have them. It's just how it is.
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #99 on: 09-30-2003 23:31 »

 
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Originally posted by alexvilagosh:
Girls like being all powerful. They like leading you around and teasing you. They like to know that you want them bad and you can't have them. It's just how it is.

I just learned something new about my gender. Why is it that a guy knows more about girls than a girl herself?

Unless maybe... I'M AN OUTCAST!
alexvilagosh

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« Reply #100 on: 09-30-2003 23:33 »

Outcast!

*points at Asylum-Fry*
Frymeister

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« Reply #101 on: 09-30-2003 23:40 »

 
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Originally posted by alexvilagosh:
Outcast!

*points at Asylum-Fry*

I agree.

  laff   laff   laff
Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #102 on: 10-02-2003 19:26 »

Just found something explaining Leela's standards for Fry, from Love and Rocket...

Frame#2: My two favourite things are commitment and changing myself.

[The woman is lovestruck and hugs the frame.]

Leela: Does that dummy have a brother?


Basically, it means that she likes everything about Fry but his ability to commit to things, like his job, amd changing himself, which he is a bit too dim to go through with. Since neither Leela or Fry will change, they keep finding themselves in awkward pushing away/being pushed away situations.

I don't know how much sense that made, but it's the least I could contribute.
Squeezit

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« Reply #103 on: 10-04-2003 01:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Asylum-Fry:
 I just learned something new about my gender. Why is it that a guy knows more about girls than a girl herself?



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is a great response to those whores all over the internet who think that women are the Borg. I'll have to remember that.


Anyway--you can't escape it--Fry/Bender= Fendershipping and that is a way cooler name than you can come up for with Fry and Leela. Hmm maybe Feela is kinda cool. Eh, no. Lry. No. Freela. Bleh.

Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #104 on: 10-04-2003 19:48 »
« Last Edit on: 10-04-2003 19:48 »

*sigh* Asylum, that was a joke, you young child...


Peel's original bottom feeder since May '03
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Asylum-Fry

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« Reply #105 on: 10-04-2003 19:59 »

 
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Originally posted by Futurama_Hil:
*sigh* Asylum, that was a joke, you young child...


I am still missing something... what is the joke?
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #106 on: 10-04-2003 23:34 »

So... correct me if I'm wrong, but (based on this one page alone, I'm not much of a back-pedaller).... Fry and Leela never actually FLIRT. Fry occasionally makes a playful-type advance towards Leela but she's never actually receiprocated the same playful attitude. She's a lot more serious...

...boring....

....sensible...

OH YES! Dull as dishwater, dependable... (Prof. Farnsworth quote from AOI, btw)

and that's what makes it impossible for her to care for Fry in exactly the sme way he cares for her. If they ever actually fell in love, I get the feeling that it would be on two seperate levels. Each with the same intensity, and each an honorable position, but neither actually coming from the same angle... which makes for a stable relationship actually.

Stable, dull, boring.

No flirting.

She doesn't flirt with him. The title of this otherwise quite thoughtful and inspiring thread is...

Wrong.

Oh well. Looks like I made no point but covered a lot of ground. Thanks for reading. Stop by the store on your way out.
Venus

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« Reply #107 on: 10-04-2003 23:44 »

i admit i was also kind of wondering when Leela has ever flirted with fry. And i'm a hard core shipper.
totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #108 on: 10-05-2003 00:36 »

You hate me. You're not supposed to agree with me! Dammit! The universe is all screwed up!

Hold me, someone!
Futurama_Hil

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« Reply #109 on: 10-05-2003 14:10 »

Exactly. She doesn't flirt with him, but, she does say things like, "that's sweet" or "he's a sweet guy" but no actual flirting. What I think is meant here, is that. How she always seems like she's complimenting him, but never going out with him for some reason...
Venus

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« Reply #110 on: 10-05-2003 16:26 »

That's just how she is. She doesn't hesitate to tell Fry when he's pissing her off why should she hesitate to tell him when he's making her happy. I think she thinks of Fry as being more like her best friend and its normal to compliment your close friends.
Donbot

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« Reply #111 on: 10-07-2003 23:36 »
« Last Edit on: 10-07-2003 23:36 »

Yeah.  Though she never wants to be together in a serious relationship with Fry, she feels that Fry is a true blue friend she can depend on.  Love is there, but just not the romance kind of love.  wink  Although she does think it's cute he likes her.  She's just not sure.  A girl like her needs time to think...........
John C
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« Reply #112 on: 10-10-2003 20:58 »

Reading this, I realize I have a good argument to put in. In the 5th comic, Leela risks her life to save Fry. For those who aren't familiar, Fry goes on a reality show hosted by Morbo (similar to Who Wants to be a Millionaire) to save Planet Express from budget woes. No one else but Leela will be Fry's "answer buddy" who they can use like "phone a friend", and for a good reason. If a question is answered wrong, the contestant and their answer buddy both get killed! Leela goes on the show though, because she feels that Fry is certain to lose- and be killed if she doesn't.


I am NOT obsessed with Zoidberg! *scuttles away*
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #113 on: 10-25-2003 10:44 »

*Bump*

After watching War is the H-Word some more, I think Leela, as Lee Lemon, was flirting with Fry some in the mess hall.  When they're eating at the same table, one of the guys asks Fry, if he has a special someone back home.  Fry says yeah, and Leela asks, is she a blonde, brunette, ...cyclops?  Fry says cyclops.  For me, I think Leela was flirting somewhat there, even though Fry didn't know it.
Venus

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« Reply #114 on: 10-25-2003 12:29 »

that's not flirting that's information gathering. Fry said he had a special someone and since there are 2 women that work at planet express she was just trying to figure out who. She didn't seem flirty to me, she seemed more flattered then anyting.
David A

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« Reply #115 on: 10-25-2003 13:06 »

Venus is right.  When Fry says that he likes a girl that he works with, Leela asks, "What's she like?  Is she blonde, or Chinese, or cyclops?"  She was trying to find out if he meant her, or Amy.  She did seem pretty pleased by his answer, though.
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« Reply #116 on: 10-26-2003 09:06 »

I get the feeling that Zapp really does love Leela...if he just wanted to get laid he would find someone else, it wouldn't be that hard...but he relentlessly follows Leela despite all the things she says and does to him. He just keeps trying, albeit in an unromantic and annoying and perverse way, but whatever, that's what makes him so funny.
Teral

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« Reply #117 on: 10-26-2003 11:47 »

Nothing is more compelling than the prize you can't get. Zapp lust for Leela because she constantly (violently) rejects him. Catching her would be all the sweeter and more fulfilling than some random girl. Plus it'll prove his theory that eventually she'll come crawling back for another taste of sweet, sweet candy.

And let's not forget the fact that Leela might just be the only women Zapp have scored with. "Kif, I've made it with a woman. Inform the men."
Thoth

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« Reply #118 on: 10-26-2003 13:48 »

Most of my opinions have alredy been posted but one remains though..
I really dissagree with the "nothinging in common and won't get along" theory, i mean, you see them hanging around alot and i belive Fry is Leelas bestfriend(not as in best of friends in that matter) and starting a relationship with a bestfriend is reaaally risky, if the relashionship fails you most likely loose a person that means alot too you, and Leelas whole world would fall apart, she would be left with seeing the person you don't wan't to see everyday and be left with no friends.
Pretty shitty
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« Reply #119 on: 10-26-2003 19:59 »

Dannilicious: I think the deal with Zapp is that, since Leela is one of, if not the only, girl he's managed to bed, he figures if he can do it once, he can do it again.  The fact that she continues to turn him down probably adds to her appeal in his eyes.

As for the whole Fry/Leela thing...I do think Leela is drawn to Fry for a few reasons.

A of all, I think she does find his positive traits endearing, especially the ones everyone has mentioned here that balance out Leela's personality.  She's even said herself, "I love his boyish charm, but I hate his childishness". 

B of all, I think she probably finds something appealing in Fry's absolute devotion and love for her.  I mean, this is a guy who worships every bit of her, who has continually risked life and limb for her, and would continue to do so in a heartbeat.  Most people who have someone like that in their lives, I've noticed, do feel a little bit of a draw to them (whether they act on it enough depends on the person).  Add into that scenario the fact that Leela has dealt with feelings of lonliness and rejection for almost all of her life, and you have a pretty understandable appeal there.  And if Fry didn't drive her so crazy at times, she might act on it.

I think because she is drawn to him on some level, she does act like she's reciprocating his feelings at times.

And Thoth is right, starting a relationship with a close friend is incredibly risky.  Especially a really serious relationship (which Fry and Leela's relationship would be, due to the inensity of Fry's feelings, and Leela's generally serious nature), because at that point, there's no going back to the way things were.  You can still be friends with them if things don't work out, but not nearly as good friends as you were before.  Leela more than likely realizes that, which is probably why she's so hesitant.
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