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Tjoppen
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« on: 06-29-2003 20:50 »
« Last Edit on: 06-29-2003 20:50 »

Ok, bear with me on this. It's a bit long...
First post btw.

Some time ago I wondered how large Leela's eyeball really "is" and if it could possibly fit inside her skull. So, one day when I had nothing better to do I decided to investigate:

I checked out numerous pics and captures and came up with this(assuming her head is 15cm across at eyelevel):


Not 100% accurate, but it serves my point:
With this data I could then calculate the radius of her eyeball to 6.5cm, thus a diameter of 13cm. Fair enough, also fits inside the aforementioned 15cm.

But eyes need muscles too, and a 13cm eyeball(assuming eyewater has the same density as regular water) weighs around 1.1kg, so they'd have to be quite big in order to shift that weight as fast as say in "300 big boys" when she notices her swimsuit's gone. The question is how big.
My best guess so far would be something like 1-2cm thick ones. This sums up to 15-17cm(one on each side), which makes it a very tight or impossible fit.

But then we haven't considered the fact that her eye is most likely non-spherical due to an ocular disorder(she wears lenses(err, lens), see "The why of Fry" ), which leads me to believe the following:
Leela is longsighted.

Why? Because longsighted people have eyes which are(if I understand correctly), well... Long. They are deeper than they are thick, which with the 1cm eye muscles would make it all quite possible.

Now, she might have poor depth perception, but what if this longsightedness is the actual cause of her crashing into the billboard every week? How's that for subtle joke?

edit:
No sig? Or did I just miss a checkbox somewhere...? I'll just add it manually for the time being

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« Reply #1 on: 06-29-2003 21:04 »

wow. that's thought out. i've never really thought that much about it, although i admit i did wonder what she needed the contact lens for.
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« Reply #2 on: 06-29-2003 21:32 »

About the siggy thing, you have to use Reply rather than quick post, and check the box next to 'Show Signature'  smile

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« Reply #3 on: 06-29-2003 22:22 »

God, you really think things out. I didn't see the Why of Fry, so I don't know what this lense is.  Still, I see your point and I have to say you certainly know eyes!

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« Reply #4 on: 06-29-2003 22:29 »

If that's a subtle joke you where the only one to catch it.

Although calculating all that is a real effort. kudos
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« Reply #5 on: 06-30-2003 01:59 »

good job
very good job
Britz

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« Reply #6 on: 06-30-2003 03:18 »

My God. That's terrifying.
Gocad

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« Reply #7 on: 06-30-2003 03:30 »


Welcome to PEEL, Tjoppen.

Aside from that, interesting post.
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« Reply #8 on: 06-30-2003 04:22 »

Whats the darksummer thing about?
Zed 85

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« Reply #9 on: 06-30-2003 04:58 »

Quality work. Nicely thought out  smile
Oh and welcome to PEEL too.  big grin
Tjoppen
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« Reply #10 on: 06-30-2003 07:00 »

Ah, thanks for the positive feedback  smile

Calculating the radius was quite easy. The formula is as such(worked it out in a min or two, if you really want to know how, just ask):
r = (w + b) / 2b

Where w is half the width of the eye(6cm from 12cm) and b is how much it bulges(4cm).

Futurama_Hil: http://tjoppen.mine.nu/bscap57.jpg

 
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Whats the darksummer thing about?

It's a game. I suggest you read the press kit if you want to find out more: http://www.absynthinteractive.com/Online%20Press%20Kit%20page%201.htm

Also, anyone else than me have read/is reading "Pyramids"(the seventh book in the Discworld series) by Terry Pratchett? Kinda reminds me of "A pharoah to remember" in some parts(although the book was written like a decade or two ago)
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« Reply #11 on: 06-30-2003 08:53 »

Ah.  Thanks. 
Teral

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« Reply #12 on: 06-30-2003 16:44 »

Wow, nice work Tjoppen. I never really thought about that (muscles and their size), but yeah it sounds like an explanation. I don't think the staff intended it for a hidden joke though, but if they did they're far nerdier than I gave them credit for.  smile

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« Reply #13 on: 06-30-2003 17:42 »

This is the kind of thing David X. Cohen mentions on DVD commentaries, maybe you'll get a mention on Season 4 (unless they've done it)?
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« Reply #14 on: 06-30-2003 18:44 »

About the eye thing, her eye is drawn SO big, that its socket should take up the lion's share of her brain case. Whatever brain she does fit in her cranium, must be very efficient to accomodate her intelligence. Not only that, her sinuses should be small, flat, and oriented sideways with respect to everyone else's. Therefore, her voice should sound like she's holding her nose or has a very bad cold, very different from KS.
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« Reply #15 on: 06-30-2003 18:54 »

Who said it needs to be round or something? She's a mutant who knows what it is like.
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« Reply #16 on: 06-30-2003 18:58 »

Yes interesting work, and welcome to PEEL.
Tjoppen
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« Reply #17 on: 07-01-2003 06:23 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2003 06:23 »

j w wimpy: I thought of it too, and it seems logical. Maybe the sinuses split to each side of the eye and then join together on the other side? In the lower left and right area of the eye there's quite enough space I think. They wouldn't have to be too flat.

aslate: What other non-round shape would it be then?

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« Reply #18 on: 07-01-2003 06:49 »

Great work
I dont mind analysing the hell out of the plots, but doesnt this run a line of looking into it too much?
Gocad

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« Reply #19 on: 07-01-2003 07:19 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2003 07:19 »

   
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Originally posted by j w wimpy:
About the eye thing, her eye is drawn SO big, that its socket should take up the lion's share of her brain case. Whatever brain she does fit in her cranium, must be very efficient to accomodate her intelligence. Not only that, her sinuses should be small, flat, and oriented sideways with respect to everyone else's. Therefore, her voice should sound like she's holding her nose or has a very bad cold, very different from KS.

We did saw her skull in "How Hermes requestioned his groove back". I would post the grab I made, but I'm unable to find a Webhost that would allow me to do so. Anyway, her skull is different from a human one, keep in mind that      tongue
Tjoppen
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« Reply #20 on: 07-01-2003 08:09 »

Grim: Yeah, kinda. But I have nothing better to do atm  tongue

Gocad refers to this: http://tjoppen.mine.nu/bscap58.jpg
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« Reply #21 on: 07-01-2003 11:53 »

 
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Originally posted by Grim:
Great work
I dont mind analysing the hell out of the plots, but doesnt this run a line of looking into it too much?

Especially when everyone in the Futurama universe has an overbite.

In the beginning the Universe was created.  This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Gocad

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« Reply #22 on: 07-01-2003 12:46 »

 
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Originally posted by Tjoppen:
Gocad refers to this: http://tjoppen.mine.nu/bscap58.jpg

Exactly.  smile
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« Reply #23 on: 07-01-2003 12:52 »
« Last Edit on: 07-01-2003 12:52 »

A> That skull of her's looks pretty much Human (well Groening-Human) just modified for one large eyesocket insted of two.

B> does she HAVE to have sinusis?  What the heck are they for anyway, aside from giving you headaches in the spring time....
McGrady

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« Reply #24 on: 07-01-2003 13:13 »

They produce mucous, which enables you to taste and smell things as well as protecting you from infection.
Margarita

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« Reply #25 on: 07-01-2003 13:36 »

Whoa thats very interesting idea and calculations.
Welcome to PEEL, Tjoppen  smile
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« Reply #26 on: 07-01-2003 15:01 »

Welcome to peel! and an idea i came up with is: what if her eyehad something like mirrors or something wierd that would let her eye depth decrease, it doesnt have to be round that would also explain the eye problems and depth perception trouble  big grin

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Yorokobi

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« Reply #27 on: 07-01-2003 15:56 »

Uh, speaking as a monocular human (no not like Leela, I'm just blind in one eye  smile )  Her lack of depth perception is directly related to her lack of a second eye.

In fact that's what make it so unlikly that there would be ANY one eyed ANYTHING, from an evolutionary perspective.

While one can use paralax and other effects to assist in judging the position and velosity of an object in a 3 dimensional space, it is NOT 100% accurate and a far cry from having stereo vision (which I used to have).

Which to me makes any "tight manuvering at high speeds" scene, such as the intro flight or the escape from the Near Death Star, all the more amazing.  I mean, if someone who really had no stereo depth perception pulled off that kind of flying they would be one KICK ASS pilot! 

j w wimpy
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« Reply #28 on: 07-01-2003 19:26 »

My father is blind in his right eye (earning him the nickname "Popeye" ). Like Leela at the cinema on the killer bot planet, he could not make sense of 3D movies. By the way, my dad's nickname resulted in me being known as Swee'Pea as a child. Now, I'm Wimpy...
Tjoppen
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« Reply #29 on: 07-02-2003 02:57 »

Our dog is a cyclops too. And yeah, she has trouble catching things for instance. It's fun to tease her  tongue (throw sausage pieces at her and watch her chomp air)

Hey, what if one would had more than two eyes? I wonder what that would be like..

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« Reply #30 on: 07-02-2003 05:26 »

There is a mutation known as Cyclocephaly. Possible it's known since the time of Ulysses (1,200 BC).
Sadly all known Cyclocephalian mutants were born dead, caused by a brain-illnes but ...
just all known mutants.
I mean 1 of 1,000 babys are born intersexual (not realy male or female) but no-one talks about it and so it's often totally unknown.
Knowing this, you can imagine that there can be living Cyclopes. Somewhere. Maybe in the Amazonas, Africa or just the Middle West.
It would be nice if anyone would search for an English article about Cyclocephaly.
But be warned: The Gulf War syndrom can also cause a kind of Cyclocephaly at the children of US soldiers who where 1991 in Iraq. There are a lot sites in the net about the GW-Syndomes and the pictures of the dead babys there are ...  eek  frown  cry
Well, Cyclocephaly ... Maybe in the future (guess when  wink) medicine knows ways how to save Cyclocephalian mutants. Or simply the radioactivity of the canalisation of NNY will create a new variation of Cyclocephalian mutants who are able to live.

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« Reply #31 on: 07-04-2003 02:45 »
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Originally posted by Yorokobi:
Which to me makes any "tight manuvering at high speeds" scene, such as the intro flight or the escape from the Near Death Star, all the more amazing.  I mean, if someone who really had no stereo depth perception pulled off that kind of flying they would be one KICK ASS pilot! 


I don't know. that speed distance stuff isn't as depth perception heavy as it seems when your talking about a high speed space ship. The stuff is just too far away to make a judgement from the paralax of the eyes. And is moving much to fast. By the time it's in Depth perception range it's too late to do anything about it. It's the same reason people can be good at Driving videogames even though there is no depth perception. Scaling and direction of movement play a larger role at higher speeds.

As a test I once landed a Cessna 172 with one eye covered. It's do-able but distracting since it's not what you're nomaly used to.

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« Reply #32 on: 07-04-2003 16:17 »
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Well, I think you are thinking I mean interstellar or interplanetary travel.  That's not what I mean, I'm talking about scenes like their escape from the Near Death Star, where Leela piloted a transport weaving it in and out and between huge moving arms.  Somewhat of the same kind of flying Luke and Leia did on the speeder bikes in the forest on Endor with Stormtroopers in hot pursuit.

On to another idea, while I guess this is ruled out by her tiny pupil, I found myself wondering if her night vision is better then average.  I wondered this because of the large size of the eye.

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« Reply #33 on: 07-04-2003 16:19 »

Can't Planet Express Ship do the depth perception for Leela using her instruments?
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« Reply #34 on: 07-04-2003 16:38 »

No in the Near death star they were still moving too fast for DP to come into account. Depth Perception is only effective about 20 feet. At the speeds they were going that's less then one second. Brain don't work that fast.

As for the Pupil it's more a Representation of a pupil. No ones ever gets larger or smaller.  Since there's no Iris refrence you have to make some assumptions to adapt the drawing to rationale. I would assume Leela would have a larger Aperture to accept light into her larger eye just baised on scale. And so her low light reception should be better.
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« Reply #35 on: 07-04-2003 17:29 »

I just always wondered how her eye turned to look at things to the side if its ovular shape.


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« Reply #36 on: 07-04-2003 17:32 »

that's a good question.
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« Reply #37 on: 07-04-2003 19:25 »

This thread has got to be closed and burned...i never want to think about any of these things.  frown
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« Reply #38 on: 07-05-2003 01:54 »

What kind of Nerd are you Coop?
Sci-Fi is all about wasting time trying to explain stuff from shows that are total BS. It's fun!

And as for the oval thing. Perhaps her scalera (is that right? The white part of the eye)is flexable at the corners like the top's and bottom of your eyelid. her eye may be smaller in volume then it appears in size to be.
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« Reply #39 on: 07-05-2003 02:00 »

Well, ive always thought that her eye wasnt ovular, just huge.


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