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Nasty Pasty

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« Reply #40 on: 05-22-2004 20:55 »

Yeah, at least she was able to form relatively ok sentences and function somewhat properly.
Digital Dragon

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« Reply #41 on: 05-22-2004 21:17 »

I see three likely options:

1. Leela is significant because Fry's love for her will give him the strength to save the universe (again) at some point.

2. Leela is significant because she will be the mother of Fry's child and Fry's bloodline must be continued to have someone around immune to the brains after he dies.

3. Leela isn't significant at all and Nibbler is a manipulative bastard.
Rhodan

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« Reply #42 on: 05-23-2004 04:58 »

 
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Originally posted by Digital Dragon:
3. Leela isn't significant at all and Nibbler is a manipulative bastard.
This is nice option but I think in this case Nibbler would say much more. 

Crash_7

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« Reply #43 on: 05-23-2004 12:35 »

 
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Originally posted by Digital Dragon:
2. Leela is significant because she will be the mother of Fry's child and Fry's bloodline must be continued to have someone around immune to the brains after he dies.

I've noticed that this scenario has been speculated at in several fanfics.


Prof. Wernstrum

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« Reply #44 on: 05-23-2004 18:20 »

 
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Originally posted by tom123:
Leela would now if they are related. In SP3K she told him who his living ancestors were, and Prof. Farnsworth is the only one.

Not necessarily, mutants probably aren't registered on the system in the same way as humans (in fact, they were an urban myth up to ISTE and Leela is an orphan who is assumed to be an alien) and so when the computer traced his descendants it would break off at the point where the first member of the Fry/Farnsworth/Turanga/Whatever family was mutated and hence not make the link to Leela.

However, I think that it is more likely that the line was supposed to suggest that she has some role to play in the Nibblonian prophecy which should be revealed in some future episode... D'oh!

F is the 6th letter of the alphabet.
O is the 15th letter (1+5=6)
X is the 24th letter (2+4=6)

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gottalovebender

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« Reply #45 on: 05-23-2004 18:37 »

i'm going to go along with what digital dragon said but add a little, leela is either significant because fry's love for her will give him strength, she will give birth to fry's kid, nibbler is a manipulitive bastard, i'll also add leela is fry's gardian, and saves his life so he can save the universe.

my personal opinion on which one of these things is what the writers ment to say is, she saves him, he loves her, then she gives him a child. so technically i chose almost all of them   tongue but that would be the wiser choice, and make all of us shippers happy

plus i really hope they are not related, even though he would still love her since he did his grandma, it would still be grose

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Dr. Morberg

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« Reply #46 on: 05-23-2004 18:37 »

Or, maybe that was put in after the show was put on hiatus, just to mess with us fans and start discussions like this.
scooty puff snr

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« Reply #47 on: 05-24-2004 02:38 »
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Thank you Digital Dragon, I completely agree with your 2nd option. Surely fry can't be frozen again and there needs to someone in the future that can save the world from evil brains.
Crash_7

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« Reply #48 on: 05-24-2004 06:58 »

 
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Originally posted by scooty puff snr:
Thank you Digital Dragon, I completely agree with your 2nd option. Surely fry can't be frozen again and there needs to someone in the future that can save the world from evil brains.

I don't think there's any physical reason why he can't be frozen again.  After all, in that episdode where he was working at the cryo lab, he was freezing himself for naps.   smile

Rhodan

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« Reply #49 on: 05-24-2004 08:04 »

Isnīt some sort of answer on DVD?
David A

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« Reply #50 on: 05-24-2004 08:07 »

This "other" business reminds me of a line from The Books of Magic.

For those of you not familiar with it, The Books of Magic was a comic book series by John Ney Reiber (based on an earlier miniseries by Neil Gaiman, of Sandman fame).  It was the story of Tim Hunter, an ordinary boy who learns that he has the potential to become the greatest magician of his time (something referred to as "an opener" or "the opener" by various characters throughout the series).

Anyway, at one point in the series, there were these gargoyles spying on Tim and his girlfriend, Molly.  After observing Tim and Molly for a while, one of the gargoyles said, "He's an opener, isn't he?  And that girl, she's his other."

Unfortunately, we never got to find out what that meant.  Not long afterwards, John Ney Reiber left the book.  The new writer took it in a different sort of direction and apparently decided that Molly wasn't "the other" after all.  "The other" turned out to be this evil version of Tim from an alternate universe who was travelling from universe to universe, killing all of the other Tim Hunters, so that he could be the one, true Tim Hunter.

Nibbler's line about Leela being "the other" always made me think of that gargoyle saying that Molly was Tim's "other".  I suppose that we'll never find out what Nibbler meant, though; just like we never found out what that gargoyle meant.
Shaucker

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« Reply #51 on: 05-31-2004 19:12 »

Here's something to speculate:

Leela told Fry in SP3K that his greatx-nephew was his closest link, but later we see that since Fry is his own grandfather, he must be Farthsworth's great-grandFATHER; a much closer link. Technically, he could also become a distant relative of Leela's that way, it's that whole paradox thing, and Leela's parents are NY-ers, prolly mutated from people in old NY.
Alliteration

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« Reply #52 on: 05-31-2004 22:18 »

But that would be like Leia making out with Luke, Ewwwwww!
David A

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« Reply #53 on: 06-01-2004 01:49 »

 
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Originally posted by Alliteration:
But that would be like Leia making out with Luke, Ewwwwww!

Not really.  Even if they are related, their births are a thousand years apart.  That's maybe fifty generations.  They'd be very distant relatives.  Heck, if you go back far enough, we're all related.

I don't know why so many of you think that Nibbler's comment meant that Fry and Leela are related, though.  You all seem to be hung up on Star Wars.
Venus

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« Reply #54 on: 06-01-2004 03:14 »

Thankfully i never saw Star Wars, so i have no such hang-up. I don't believe Fry and Leela are related i believe she's the other cause she's his soulmate.
David A

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« Reply #55 on: 06-01-2004 03:37 »

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
i never saw Star Wars,

  eek  How is that even possible?  If you had said that you didn't like Star Wars, I could believe that; but how did you manage to live to be 20 without seeing Star Wars at least once?  Did you have to actively avoid watching it, or what?
Venus

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« Reply #56 on: 06-01-2004 08:21 »

yes. i've seen bits and pieces cause my brother was obsessed with it for a while. And i know the basic story. But i refuse to sit throught the damn thing.
Evil Abe

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« Reply #57 on: 07-04-2004 22:35 »

I believe the "other" reference was referring to a relationship between Leela and Fry. 

1)  First off I don't buy the guardian theory because Leela does save Fry often.  Fry as almost died a few times but have been save by others such as car crash in PYHOMS by Zoidyberg.  The suicide both in the Pilot with Bender.  The waterfall in MU he was saved by Gunther. 

2)  The reason for my thinking is when Fry tells Nibbler Leela does think much of him, Nibbler says don't give up and he will do what we can.  So what does Nibbler do in a thousand years lets himself become Leela's cute little pet.  This is not just to watch Fry, because if this was the plan he would have become Fry's pet somehow.  I think he became Leela pet to help breakdown some of those emotional barriers she has by being cute.  Leela is a lot more open with her feels around/with Nibbler.  Even though Nibbloians don't like being considered cute. 

3)  Now this is just a possible theory.  Maybe just maybe this why in ISTE Bender was able to flush Nibbler and why he did not just come back on his own.  I think Nibbler could out think Bender and return on his own.  The reason being Nibbler wanted Leela to go to sewers.  He probably new she was a mutant and not an alien and thought bring her there she might run into her long lost parents.
Rhodan

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« Reply #58 on: 05-01-2005 11:02 »

Sorry for reviving dead thread, Iīve just discovered that nobody here thought about one answer - there is possible that Leelaīs "handicap" (one eye and lacking of depth perception) is somehow same important as Fry lacking delta brain waves, something that would enable her for fighting yet another enemy. Of course, in that case there isnīt apperant point why Fry "must not give up on her."
futz
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« Reply #59 on: 05-01-2005 11:35 »

If you check the Alien Language Signs section at The Leela Zone/Futurama Madhouse you'll under the "My Three Sons" set there is a poster behind Leela as she is walking down the street with Fry. It says "The Eye Will Come". In Fry's Opera in Devil's Hands" his lyrics refer to Leela as "like a baby Moses" that might deliver her people. We don't know if that would be mutants, humans, or the Universe yet. Perhaps Fry is starting to have unconscious flashes of the future due his exposure to time travel.

It was Leela who checked Fry's genetics when he woke up. If there was anything there about being related she probably have said something. But then again, at the time she thought she was an alien. Her genetic database at her old job didn't know everything.

We tend to see the 31st century through Fry's eyes which means we're missing about a 1000 years of history.
Futurama Nerd

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« Reply #60 on: 05-01-2005 15:06 »

That's a good thought Rhodan.  smile
Maybe when Nibbler said Leela was "the other", he ment that she was the other person who helped fight the brains. But this is probably not true, I mean, it's Futurama! But Iam interested in this whole "other" thing.
Venus

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« Reply #61 on: 05-01-2005 16:25 »

 
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Originally posted by Rhodan:
Sorry for reviving dead thread, Iīve just discovered that nobody here thought about one answer - there is possible that Leelaīs "handicap" (one eye and lacking of depth perception) is somehow same important as Fry lacking delta brain waves, something that would enable her for fighting yet another enemy. Of course, in that case there isnīt apperant point why Fry "must not give up on her."


I don't think her having one eye is the mutation that's most important. She has a super strength that can't be explained away by her being a fitness buff. In AHATP she climbs a building with Fry dangling from her. Which meant she had to hold up her own bodyweight as she climbed as well as Fry's dead weight and she did it with ease. Then once she got to the top she lifted him up with one hand, again with ease. In another episode, i forget which Bender who weighs over 500 pounds and Fry who probably weighs a good 160-180 or so were sitting on the couch which probably weighs around 200-300 pounds and Leela tipped it over with one hand again, with ease. She's fit, but she's not built like a bodybuilder. So i'm thinking another mutation she might have is densly packed muscle. If that got passed down the line that means a kid from the two of them could be immune to the brains as well as being super strong. And if Leela's intelligence got passed down as well, all the better.
Colonel43

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« Reply #62 on: 05-03-2005 10:03 »

Venus all the points u made about Leela lifting the crew are supose to be jokes!

Remeber in 'hell is other robots' where fry drags bender however many miles to work? does this mean fry also has unexplained super powers?

no it doesn't its just funny
Venus

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« Reply #63 on: 05-03-2005 17:27 »

For a one-off not supposed to mean anything joke they certainly use it a lot. And it's generally her they use it with. Even if it wasn't intentionally supposed to mean anything if they wanted to work it into a major plot they could do so easily. And it would make more sense for something like strength being what the nibblonians are interested in her about rather than her having one eye.

But it doesn't really matter anyway cause unless the show comes back or Groening and Cohen start spilling we'll never know one way or the other.
Shiny

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« Reply #64 on: 05-03-2005 19:38 »

I, too think that Leela is important in her own right to the Nibblonians, for some reason other than her relationship to Fry.  If only because having her only purpose being inspiring or breeding with Fry would be incredibly sexist, and I think better of Matt and David than that.

Leela is pretty strong, but her muscles can only be so dense before she loses the ability to swim or float.  She treaded water in the Slurm factory, so super density can't be all of it.
futz
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« Reply #65 on: 05-07-2005 15:21 »

Mmmm...come to think of it Nibbler was only guessing. The Other could actually be anyone, maybe even Scruffy.
Shiny

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« Reply #66 on: 05-07-2005 15:37 »
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^^^^^^^
  laff

"Scruffy's gonna save the universe."

(long pause)

"No applause.  Just throw money and women."


David A

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« Reply #67 on: 05-07-2005 17:09 »

 
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Originally posted by futz:
Mmmm...come to think of it Nibbler was only guessing. The Other could actually be anyone, maybe even Scruffy.

Or maybe there is no Other, and Nibbler was just being a manipulative bastard again.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Shiny

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« Reply #68 on: 05-07-2005 17:44 »

If Nibbler was that manipulative, he'd have zapped Fry's memory the minute Fry put him down, knocked him out, and done what he had to.  Instead, he gave him the choice, but of course he's going to try to persuade Fry to choose to save the universe. 

And his comment about "the Other" seemed more like a remark to himself than to Fry.  Fry didn't even really catch it.  To Fry he just said not to give up, and promised to help as much as he could.

And he only finally zapped Fry's memory when Fry made the remark about telling everyone.  It's possible he was considering asking Fry to keep it a secret, or trusting no one would believe Fry, before that.  But seeing Fry so jazzed on the idea of his own importance and eager to convince his friends, Nibbler realized it was safer to blank his memory.
David A

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« Reply #69 on: 05-07-2005 18:21 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
If Nibbler was that manipulative, he'd have zapped Fry's memory the minute Fry put him down, knocked him out, and done what he had to.  Instead, he gave him the choice, but of course he's going to try to persuade Fry to choose to save the universe.

Or maybe he wanted Fry to think that he had a choice, but he would have zapped Fry's memory if he had said no.

 
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And his comment about "the Other" seemed more like a remark to himself than to Fry.  Fry didn't even really catch it.

Maybe that's just what he wanted Fry to think.
Chug a Bug

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« Reply #70 on: 05-07-2005 19:40 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
And his comment about "the Other" seemed more like a remark to himself than to Fry.  Fry didn't even really catch it.  To Fry he just said not to give up, and promised to help as much as he could.

I don't think we'll ever know for sure what he meant but for what it's worth my gut feeling, and it's no more than that, is that it referred to Leela. He did say not to give up and promised to help as much as he could and in the DVD commentary they said that when Nibbler gave Fry the flower for Leela that was in fulfilment of that, why else would he bother? But it's a tenuous argument I'll grant you.
Shiny

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« Reply #71 on: 05-07-2005 22:22 »
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Dang, David A, you really want to believe the worst of Nibbler!  Are you a cynic, or do you just like playing Robot Devil's Advocate?  tongue

I choose to believe the Nibblonians are more or less good, not just because they're cute and cuddly, but because they are trying to save the universe and stuff and they purr. 
David A

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« Reply #72 on: 05-08-2005 16:51 »

 
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Originally posted by Shiny:
Dang, David A, you really want to believe the worst of Nibbler!  Are you a cynic, or do you just like playing Robot Devil's Advocate?   tongue

The second thing.  I don't actually think that Nibbler is that manipulative.  I'm just pointing it out as a possibility.

 
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I choose to believe the Nibblonians are more or less good, not just because they're cute and cuddly, but because they are trying to save the universe and stuff and they purr. 

Maybe they're just trying to save their own miserable hides.   tongue

Seriously though, I also choose to believe that the Nibblonians are more or less good, but it's clear that they're not perfect.  I think that Nibbler was probably just having a weak moment when he decided to freeze Fry against his will.

Speak softly. Drive a Sherman tank.
Shiny

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« Reply #73 on: 05-10-2005 18:33 »
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Or maybe they thought that an Earthling, even a science-fiction fan with a boring life, wouldn't freeze himself just because a cute little talking monkey-like alien asked him to.  You've got to admit, most Earthlings of the 20th century wouldn't...
David A

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« Reply #74 on: 05-10-2005 21:16 »

It doesn't matter what they thought.  The ends do not justify the means, even when the fate of the entire universe is at stake.

Nibbler should have explained the situation to Fry in full, and trusted that Fry would do what was necessary to save the universe and allow himself to be frozen.  Instead, Nibbler let his fear that Fry would refuse get the better of him.
Shiny

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« Reply #75 on: 05-10-2005 22:20 »

Yes - even though he could have blanked Fry's memory and frozen him anyway if he refused.  Nibbler's motives seem very complex, and therefore interesting.

David A

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« Reply #76 on: 05-10-2005 23:25 »

Nibbler needn't have worried that Fry would refuse, though.  The Nibblonians knew that at some point in the future Fry would travel back in time and impregnate his own grandmother.  They knew that this would happen because it already happened in the past, therefore it would happen in the future.  So, Nibbler could be reasonably sure that Fry would agree to be frozen, because if he didn't, he wouldn't be able to travel back in time, which he already did, therefore he would.
Nerd-o-rama

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« Reply #77 on: 05-10-2005 23:43 »

That's an interesting point.  But did the Nibblonians know the cause of Fry's abnormality, or just that it existed?  While I don't deny they probably would have known about the wormhole in 1947, I might question is they observed it and the ensuing events at Roswell to realize that Fry was involved.  As of 3002, of course, Nibbler would have been able to figure out the cause of said wormhole from overhearing conversations between the crew, and consequently the reason for his Delta Wave issues.
futz
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« Reply #78 on: 05-11-2005 00:00 »
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"It happens every time". -HGTTG
David A

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« Reply #79 on: 05-11-2005 00:11 »

If they didn't know, why would they freeze him for a thousand years only to let him then run around unsupervised getting into life-threatening situations?  That only makes sense if they knew that he had to be free to travel back in time (which they knew would happen, but didn't know exactly how or when it would happen).

If they didn't know that he needed to be free to travel back in time, the smart thing to do would have been to take him back to their homeworld and keep him frozen until they needed him.  That's how the Vorlons would have done it.
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