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Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #760 on: 08-24-2011 00:12 »
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How can Leela say no to that face so much?  It must be like kicking Bambi.

Because she's a bitch...

edit - oh go on then, seeing as it's page 20... TOTPD!...
Tofu_Lion

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« Reply #761 on: 08-25-2011 10:02 »

How can Leela say no to that face so much?  It must be like kicking Bambi.

Because she's a bitch...

Haha, I must agree. My fav character is Fry and that "totally monogamous friend" line from the Egg episode brought back bad memories of being stuck in the friend zone even after soooooo much effort and apparent progress. It really hit close to home lol.
FuturamaObsessed

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« Reply #762 on: 08-28-2011 01:49 »

my fave character is Igner (is that how you spell it? the one with the pink hair confused)
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #763 on: 08-28-2011 02:28 »

I've decided that from now on, whenever a male friend is incredibly nice to me, I must repay him with sexual favors.  I'm not going to be no friend zone see you next tuesday ever again!
Tofu_Lion

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« Reply #764 on: 08-28-2011 03:02 »

I've decided that from now on, whenever a male friend is incredibly nice to me, I must repay him with sexual favors.  I'm not going to be no friend zone see you next tuesday ever again!

Reeeally...
I like your avatar. You're really nice. And smart and funny smile
SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #765 on: 08-28-2011 03:07 »

I've decided that from now on, whenever a male friend is incredibly nice to me, I must repay him with sexual favors.  I'm not going to be no friend zone see you next tuesday ever again!

Reeeally...
I like your avatar. You're really nice. And smart and funny smile


Beware though.  The board hasn't figured out whether I'm a male or a female. 
Tofu_Lion

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« Reply #766 on: 08-28-2011 03:22 »

Oh cool, I love the mystery flavor Airheads so that's no problem. Life's better with surprises.
David A

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« Reply #767 on: 08-28-2011 04:22 »

The board hasn't figured out whether I'm a male or a female.

Please.  You're not fooling anyone.

I've read plenty of your posts, and it's obvious that you're female, or perhaps a very feminine hermaphrodite.  You are clearly not male.
Bender_is_Great!

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« Reply #768 on: 08-28-2011 05:22 »

Yeah, I picked up on that, too.
spira

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« Reply #769 on: 08-28-2011 06:07 »

If you're male, then you're absolutely brilliant at making up fake identities, ma'am.
Otis P Jivefunk

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« Reply #770 on: 08-28-2011 13:43 »

I've decided that from now on, whenever a male friend is incredibly nice to me, I must repay him with sexual favors.  I'm not going to be no friend zone see you next tuesday ever again!

Isn't it meant to be C u? shifty...
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« Reply #771 on: 08-28-2011 13:45 »

Yeah, I picked up on that, too.

Third.

my fave character is Igner (is that how you spell it? the one with the pink hair confused)

Yes, it is Igner, not Ignar.
Tachyon

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« Reply #772 on: 08-29-2011 08:06 »


Beware though.  The board hasn't figured out whether I'm a male or a female. 

Sorry, only one gender drama permitted per calendar year, thanks.  You'll have to wait until next March or so.  smile

The Friend Zone is not always neatly delineated.  Good luck navigating that emotional minefield.  Sometimes the FZ is for the best.

SpaceGoldfish fromWazn

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« Reply #773 on: 08-29-2011 13:16 »

Hmmm.  I should have lost some weight by then, therefore I will finally feel comfortable with showing my pimply, salad dodging face to all the peelers.

And besides, just because I have the heart of a pure young maiden, doesn't mean it's not wrapped up in the body of a smelly young man.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #774 on: 08-29-2011 13:21 »

And besides, just because I have the heart of a pure young maiden, doesn't mean it's not wrapped up in the body of a smelly young man.

Hey, that's what you said in that PM!
Tofu_Lion

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« Reply #775 on: 08-31-2011 20:58 »

Like the native americans, she leaves nothing to waste.
Gorky

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« Reply #776 on: 09-02-2011 22:26 »

Anyway, my favorite characters are Fry and Leela, both because I'm a shipper and I find them both pretty complex characters.

Seven years later, things still haven't changed. Nice to see that I am unable to grow as a human being.

Seriously, though: It pains me a bit when people call Leela a bitch. I agree that she can be wishy-washy and frustrating and offhandedly cruel...but I still think she's a really complex lady with so much story potential beyond what we usually see her doing (rebuffing Fry or whining about being an orphan). We got a glimpse of that in "The Late Philip J. Fry," I thought, where Leela's own ability to hold a grudge like nobody's business wound up making her extremely unhappy. That was so damn compelling to me, maybe because Leela is the character I most relate to.
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« Reply #777 on: 09-02-2011 23:16 »

Anyway, my favorite characters are Fry and Leela, both because I'm a shipper and I find them both pretty complex characters.

Seven years later, things still haven't changed. Nice to see that I am unable to grow as a human being.

Seriously, though: It pains me a bit when people call Leela a bitch.

Overclockwise turned my opinion of Leela around, and I can see why people would call her a bitch. It's because she's a bitch.
Gorky

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« Reply #778 on: 09-03-2011 03:25 »

Hmmm...I thought Leela's actions in "Overclockwise" were totally understandable. Why shouldn't she desire a level of emotional stability and a sense of forward momentum in her relationship with Fry? Granted, a lot of the on-again/off-again stuff was her fault (flirting with Angus in "Fry Am the Egg Man," for example)--but Fry hadn't given much serious thought to his future with Leela, and I could see why she might find that bothersome. Did she have to leave him? Probably not. But it wasn't entirely unexpected for her to do so.

I suppose I could argue with you over the the various shades and subtleties of bitchiness--and why I think Leela's less a bitch and more an accurate depiction of a normal, mood-swingy, uncertain humanoid--but it probably wouldn't be all that compelling. Like I said, I'm probably more inclined to overlook (or embrace) Leela's flaws because I relate to her so much. I guess I can appreciate why people call her a bitch; I just happen to disagree.
spira

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« Reply #779 on: 09-03-2011 04:31 »

I also disagree that Leela's a bitch. She has with some regularity displayed hypocritical, self-centered, or inconsiderate behavior, but what she lacks in social skills she makes up for by saving everybody's lives every now and again. I think, with a few small exceptions like Angus, everything she's done in regards to her relationship with Fry can be justified. She has always pursued men who at least appear powerful and intelligent. Fry, who isn't intelligent at all and, though he is rather powerful, doesn't really seem like it, doesn't really fit the standards she's held for a long time. And while he's sweet, he can't make a relationship work with sweetness alone.

Plus, it's not like he didn't sleep with the mayor's wife.

I think Leela is one of the most complex characters on the show and I love her for it. She has her bitchy moments, but she'd be boring without those blatant weaknesses.
Gorky

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« Reply #780 on: 09-03-2011 06:09 »

That reminds me, spira: I think most people claim Leela's a bitch because of the way she treats Fry, but that seems unfair to me. You can't base your interpretation of a character solely around how she interacts in romantic situations. I mean, if I just went by how Fry acts around Leela, I'd think he was a psychopathic, obsessive stalker who just can't take no for an answer.

But he's so much more than that--and Leela's so much more than this selfish and uncaring bitch. Just because certain story lines highlight their bad points, it doesn't mean they're all bad. And I happen to think that the character's flaws are what make them interesting and fun to watch.

It also makes them grating on occasion, but that's true of people in real life, too. So the annoying quirks just add to the sense that Fry and Leela and the rest of the PE crew are honest and nuanced human beings. And levels of realism like that can't possibly be a bad thing, can they?
spira

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« Reply #781 on: 09-03-2011 06:18 »

I mean, if I just went by how Fry acts around Leela, I'd think he was a psychopathic, obsessive stalker who just can't take no for an answer.

This is so true. I think a lot of people see Leela telling Fry "no" and interpret it on some level as "Leela shooting a puppy". Cos apparently Fry's adorable and perfect for her and whatnot. But he's not really, he's terribly obsessive and has chronic bedsores and is pretty idiotic. It's not even like Leela rejected him cruelly - she made it really clear that she cares about him a lot but she just didn't think he was right for her romantically. Which is completely fair.

Sure, girl's got issues, but of course she's going to have difficulties with relationships, it's not really like the had the most nurturing childhood environment. As much as Fry is great and all, she has to look out for herself to some degree. She has the right to some control over her life. Plus, as Fry himself said, everyone on the PE crew has some "severe mental or social problems". That's what makes the show so engaging.
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« Reply #782 on: 09-03-2011 10:54 »

It's not just how she treats Fry; she's pretty much cold to everyone. And you can save lives and still be a douche, police officers for example. Leela is a bitch who saves lives, it's like the badass-with-a-heart-of-gold characters we see more often in live action shows.
Gorky

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« Reply #783 on: 09-03-2011 18:53 »

I'm probably just being too sensitive here, but I guess it bothers me because I don't think of "bitchiness" as a permanent state of being. We're all capable of bitchy moments (or at least I know that I am)--same as we're all capable of moronic moments (Fry), slutty moments (Amy), selfish moments (Bender), senile moments (Farnsworth), anal-retentive moments (Hermes), and insecure moments (Zoidberg). But I never see people reducing the other supporting characters to their single (perhaps defining) traits; Fry's not just a dummy and Bender's not just a sociopath, but rather Fry's a dimwitted guy with a good heart and Bender's an essentially good guy with some violent leanings.

The characters, Leela included, are all so nuanced and brimming with contradictory traits (Hermes is a pothead but he's not stereotypically slovenly; Amy is ditzy but she's also a brilliant student). And yet Leela is the only character whom people will hate on principle for her supposed bitchiness...meanwhile, no one's saying that they hate Farnsworth simply because he's so damn old. I just think people are unnecessarily hard on Leela, and it kind of bugs me.

Though admittedly I understand why people wouldn't like watching the exploits of a character they consider generally nasty and irredeemable (when this character is not meant to be the villain, that is. Like, I don't think people are gonna be hating on Mom because she's just too mean). I get why people don't like Leela, but I think maybe they're overlooking all her good points (and her intriguing-but-maddening contradictions) to justify this hatred.

And I know it sounds like I'm trying to browbeat people out of their opinions, but I'm really not. I guess I'm just trying to justify, both to other people and to myself, why I love her character so very much. But obviously you're all entitled to dislike whichever character(s) you so choose, which makes my ranting and raving here kind of pointless. hmpf
spira

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« Reply #784 on: 09-03-2011 19:37 »

I don't think she's cold to everyone. I think the only character on the PE crew that she's regularly cold towards is Zoidberg, and even then, she's the one who apologizes first when they don't trust him in Tip of the Zoidberg. She likes Bender as much as he likes her (plus, they got medals). She and Amy have that female rivalry going on, but they're obviously friends and are often seen together being friends (random examples: Kif Gets Knocked Up, Cold Warriors, Amazon Women in the Mood, BwaBB - there are lots more, that's just a five-second brainstorm). She has nothing against the Professor except when he's being completely incompetent, which is very justifiable, plus he respects her enough to trust her with his ship. I can't come up with any examples of her being cold to Hermes. And she and Fry have that thing, which we already did.

I think she's the most realistic character of the crew. Does making the decision to leave after the package-delivery company she works at, for wages that approximate slave labor, tries to put on a musical in order to save itself from bankruptcy for like the fifteenth time really seem like an action rooted in bitchiness? It's not like she doesn't genuinely care about the people around her (see: Brannigan Begin again, TKOS). Maybe she's the only one who's not unfalteringly loyal to PE, but even that isn't true in Future Stock.

Basically, I totally agree with Gorky. Also, I hate Farnsworth. He's so damn old.

...that first came out as "I ate Farnsworth." I DIDN'T I SWEAR
Tofu_Lion

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« Reply #785 on: 09-03-2011 20:30 »

Yeah, you're right about Leela and Bender, she actually says she likes Bender for his in-your-face attitude. I guess the bitchiness only comes out around dumb, or smart but incompetent people (Fry, Zoidberg, Farnsworth, Amy). She seems indifferent to Hermes and Scruffy (as is everyone) but I gu....wait, what? You don't like the Professor? He's so senile though smile
spira

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« Reply #786 on: 09-03-2011 20:54 »

I was kidding there.

She has an intolerance for incompetence. This does not make her a bitch.
Gorky

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« Reply #787 on: 09-03-2011 21:06 »
« Last Edit on: 09-03-2011 21:07 »

Exactly. I think the real problem here is that people have different ideas of what constitutes bitchiness. Choosing not to fall head over heels for a guy who is kind of obsessed with you--taking the time get to know him better and maybe one day be with him, but on your own terms--is not bitchiness. Expecting the people around you to do a good job at what they're paid a meager salary to do is not bitchiness.

Self-righteousness (which is usually on display in those various Leela-goes-on-a-crusade episodes) is not bitchiness, and hypocrisy (like what goes on in "Yo Leela Leela") is not bitchiness, and self-pitying mopiness (in, for example, "Xmas Story" and "Leela's Homeworld") is not bitchiness.

Calling Fry her strictly platonic friend? Parading Adlai and Chaz and Lars before him? Okay, that's a little callous. But did she mean those things maliciously? Nope. I think most bitchy people realize when they're being bitchy, and I don't get the sense from Leela that she is deliberately being awful to everyone around her because she hates them and sees herself as being superior to them.

It's just in her nature--and mine, and I'd wager a lot of other people's--to have conflicting wants and needs and desires, to be a bit uncertain and to not make the best decisions all the time. But, ultimately, she's a good person--caring and self-sacrificing and kind. And she sure as hell is passionate about the things that are important to her--like finding her parents or saving penguins or preventing Fry and Bender from getting themselves killed. And I love that about her.

Hmmm...I never realized I was such a Leela fangirl. Or maybe a Leela apologist. Oh well.
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« Reply #788 on: 09-03-2011 21:17 »
« Last Edit on: 09-03-2011 21:26 »

I was kidding there.

She has an intolerance for incompetence. This does not make her a bitch.

I know, that's why I changed it to "bitchiness" which we can all be guily of. I was trying to agree with you without being completely wishy washy tongue
Edit: I agree with Gorky that a lot of this comes down to one's definition of the word. Or if you're a big Fry fan, emotion may be clouding my, I mean the, judgement of some wink That's kind of a tribute to the writing and the characters though.
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« Reply #789 on: 09-03-2011 21:30 »

You've managed to convince me that "bitch" is not the right word to describe Leela.

Instead, I now have a laundry-list of uncomplimentary words that decribe her negative character traits.

So to save time and make it simpler, I have decided that the amalgam of these severe flaws shall be referred to as being a bitch.

spira

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« Reply #790 on: 09-04-2011 02:18 »

That is probably fair enough, tnuk. It's just that it's not like all of her negative characteristics are on display all of the time. Also, she's got a crapload of positive ones too. She's quite well-rounded.

I think she's the most intense of all the PE crew, which could be interpreted as selfishness which in turn could be interpreted as bitchiness, but really she does what she does because she cares about the people around her and about principles that are important to her. Her role as the straight man also plays into that. She's rarely as funny as any of the others, which can and does sometimes make her seem colder or less lovable or more mean-spirited, but I don't think that's ever her intention.
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« Reply #791 on: 09-04-2011 02:46 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2011 02:51 »

I know lots of nasty words for the female gender.  Let me know which ones you think apply to Leela.

Shrew.
Harpy.
Strumpet.
Trollop.
Wench.
Gorgon.
Heifer.
Witch.
Slattern.

Take your pick.

I think Leela is one of the most intense characters if not the most intense, so you are right Spira.  However I think her negative traits are being focused on more in this season, especially when Fry is involved.  Whatever happened to the caring, protective, maternal, independent, tender lady who would always stand up for what she believed in, the Leela we've all come to know and love?   I liked her much better then this fickle, shallow, violent puppy stomping, whale gutting bitch Leela has been recently.   To me Gorky, most of what you described counts as bitchiness to me.  Parading some sleazeball to the guy you know absolutely worships you, tell the latter that not only you are going to have sex with the sleazeball tonight, but that he could also clean up your pet's turds and pay the fine when he can't move it in time?

Bitchy, bitchy, bitchy.  For me bitchiness isn't about being actively cruel, it's also being completely oblivious or callous to the feelings of others.  Amy's catty little lines may seem like more obvious bitchiness, but they are a lot less cruel then some of the things Leela has said and done to Fry. It is just thoughtless cruelty.  

Also can people put Overclockwise spoilers under spoilers please?  Not everyone has seen it yet.  I haven't. 
spira

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« Reply #792 on: 09-04-2011 03:03 »

I definitely concur that 6B focused a lot on her negative characteristics, to the point where she was occasionally almost unrecognizable. Which was frustrating for me to watch.

And even still...

[...] this fickle, shallow, violent puppy stomping, whale gutting bitch Leela has been recently.  

I think she's neither fickle nor shallow in the scheme of things. Occasionally, she's shallow, but occasionally Fry is completely oblivious to anyone's feelings and occasionally Amy is a total ass to Kif and occasionally anyone is anything but that shouldn't leave them stuck with that label. She's always been violent. The puppy-stomping was weird, but if people can ignore the fact that Fry slept with the mayor's wife, they can overlook the suggestion that Leela stomps puppies. And the stupid fish did eat them.

I agree with Gorky that bitchiness is not a permanent state of being. What she did to Fry with Chaz was an incident of bitchy behavior. But that doesn't make her a bitch.
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« Reply #793 on: 09-04-2011 03:12 »

I cant really think of Amy being a complete ass to Kif, except for showing her tattoo to the guy in prison in PI, but that was mostly rather innocent rather then her trying to seduce some psycho.  


I suppose the Mayor's Wife part was really, really, really weird, but then again that was after Leela essentially raped Zapp on live television.   One thing I've been wondering, is that open relationships are the norm in the 31st century, or at least are fairly common (Colleen's relationship isn't expressed as being particually weird or odd to the PE crew).

I think Leela feels pretty shallow nowadays.  Her obsession with murdering the space whale was for extremely petty reasons, and she was putting the lives of Fry (her supposed love), her friends (Amy and Bender) and her co workers (Zoidberg and Hermes) at risk for it.  She also seems to become obsessed or angry over trivial or hypocritical reasons (such as being all over Lars and constantly telling Fry to get over her, and when he does, she has the audacity to snap at him afterwards).  I am probably being too harsh on Leela, but I used to really like her character, and her interactions with Fry have begun to put me off her.  
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« Reply #794 on: 09-04-2011 03:54 »

Amy abandoned Kif when he was pregnant with their children for reasons basically related to her own selfishness, which I think is as bad as anything Leela's ever done to Fry. Sure, she came back, but (Sorry, wanted to be on the safe side cos you complained about spoilers earlier, haha)

I think open relationships are at least considered normal in the 31st century.

From day one, Leela has never been any good at relationships. From day two, Leela's been obsessed with being a good captain. Various episodes (and movies) have done a nice job of focusing on these two traits. I do hope season 7 restores her to more of her original setting, where she had a pretty great balance of good and bad traits. If they keep making episodes driven by Leela's negative traits, like Mobius Dick and YLL, then I might have to change my mind like you have. But I really don't want to.
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« Reply #795 on: 09-04-2011 04:38 »

I wouldn't class Leela as more shallow than most of the women I've known intimately IRL, but I would class her as fickle (I mistyped that as "fuckle" at first), due to the fact that she's constantly changing her mind about what she wants, what's important to her, what's acceptable and what's not... some of this might be due to inconsistent characterisation from writer to writer, but it just feels like she jumps around a lot, mentally. You can't rely on her to feel strongly about something from one episode to the next, or to feel the same way about Fry from one episode to the next, or even to have the same attitude to a particular species from one episode to the next. She changes. Much more than anybody else in the cast.

So she's fickle.

I'm not saying I hate her or anything, she's a great character and in many ways a very positive role model compared to a lot of the people on the tellybox these days. But she's not consistent or reliable. She's fickle (I keep mistyping that).
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« Reply #796 on: 09-04-2011 05:34 »

To be fair, while Amy abandoning Kif was pretty unlikable, I think it's understandable.   Your boyfriend suddenly gets pregnant through some bizzaire alien reproductive process which only involves you on a fairly superfluous way, yet you are considered a mother and now must take full responsibility for a child you had no idea you were creating (she can't even say she forgot to use protection since sexual reproduction did not create the children).   Imagine if your boyfriend got pregnant by somebody coughing in him, yet the responsibility of raising the child fell to you.   I don't blame Amy for doing a runner.  Still at the end of the day she came back to Kif and was there for him when he needed her, even though a lot of people would be thinking "wait, how is this my problem again?"
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« Reply #797 on: 09-04-2011 07:13 »
« Last Edit on: 09-04-2011 07:14 »

Ya she was pretty cool about it after the initial shock wore off, considering Leela impregnated her man, or alien or whatever (obviously not on purpose, but still...).
Gorky

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« Reply #798 on: 09-04-2011 18:48 »

Bitchy, bitchy, bitchy.  For me bitchiness isn't about being actively cruel, it's also being completely oblivious or callous to the feelings of others.  Amy's catty little lines may seem like more obvious bitchiness, but they are a lot less cruel then some of the things Leela has said and done to Fry. It is just thoughtless cruelty.  

Ah, so there's the difference. I consider bitchiness something you are consciously aware of (like, I know people who will preface a statement with "I don't mean to sound bitchy"--which, of course, ensures that whatever they're saying will come off twice as bitchy--but usually I am aware of the bitchiness of my own bitchy actions whilst I am in the process of bitching), and you see it as a behavior set that's more innate. Fair enough.

And I didn't mind Amy leaving Kif for a while after she found out he was carrying Leela's babies. Amy is young, but she is in a committed and mature relationship, and that's something tremendous in its own right. Most people that age, you'd expect to be wishy-washy--but Amy has always been pretty clear on what she wants. That she was momentarily thrown by the idea of being a mother to a swarm of amphibians secreted by her boyfriend in a swamp is not unthinkable, nor do I find it particularly unlikeable. It's totally understandable, and the fact that Amy eventually decides that she loves Kif too much to abandon him (and that some day she'll make a good mother) shows a lot of growth in her character. I love what "Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch" (and, more generally, Amy's relationship with Kif) does in terms of fleshing out Amy and giving her s'more depth.
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« Reply #799 on: 09-05-2011 00:42 »

Ok, HERE'S my top 5 characters:
1) Fry
2) Bender
3) Mom
4) Professor
5) Zoidberg
Honorable mentions to Zapp, Hermes and Sal.
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