Could Fry actually be smart?

[Reply #40 on:]

I'e Fry was smart then there would be no Futurama. Alright, I can't say it was he's foult, because Nibbler no, Nibbler didn't, it was Fry, Fry Blow himself into the Future. IF you look at Jurrassic Bark you see Fry hadow and Nibblers (just the hair parts) and in Space Station 3000 we only see Nibbler's shadow, so they planned that. Fry is better stupid!  Like Homer is in The Simpsons

[Reply #41 on:]

funny thing, if you watch the last parts of paracites lost you will hear the head worm say that what fry did to himself is nothing more than about a week of binge drinking or about five minutes on a cell phone, so it seems that he SHOULD still be realivly smart right?

unless out of spite the worms trash the place, or fry finishes the job. another thing, nibbler fakes retardedness pretty well, just look at him in contrast to what he really is.

you don't have to be stupid to be a dumbass.

[Reply #42 on:]

come on Geteak fry is just not smart.
its like could the moon be yellow? no it is gray.

[Reply #43 on:]

If he was he wouldn't be funny any more, baby.

[Reply #44 on:]

who said he had to be stupid to be an idiot? all the crap he ever seems to do are just either because he never cares enough to think about his actions, has very bad coordination, or just acts stupid, because like i said, it could all just be a lie to escape what he really is and has come to resent.

now that i have gotten a feel for what you all seem to think about all this, please, please, in the name of all that is holy let this thread die! it got pretty far before you just had to post you one like opinion. please, do not post in this thread anymore.

PLEASE CLOSE

[Reply #45 on:]

Why should a thread be closed just because you have achieved your goal?

Anyway, Fry dropping out of Coney Island Community College (Go Whitefish!), failing to operate a can-opener, jumping in a river (even though he can't swim), allowing Bender to F-ray his sperm (twice!) and doing the nasty in the pasty was all a front to hide the fact he's a genius?

[Reply #46 on:]

Well, in the first episode, he said to himself after seeing the blimp that said that it was 3000, (not to anyone else, proving the undercover thing wrong), "Whoa, a million years!" However, in Jurassic Bark, he can tell that 15 minus 3 equals 12. He probably got smarter.

[Reply #47 on:]

 

Originally posted by Teral:
Why should a thread be closed just because you have achieved your goal?

Anyway, Fry dropping out of Coney Island Community College (Go Whitefish!), failing to operate a can-opener, jumping in a river (even though he can't swim), allowing Bender to F-ray his sperm (twice!) and doing the nasty in the pasty was all a front to hide the fact he's a genius?

Don't forget doing the nasty with a radiator!

[Reply #48 on:]

don't forget all that except the can opener and the one time ride at AN AMUSEMENT PART on the wekend happened AFTER he messed up his brain in that whole worm incident. now i know that the damage was not more than a week of binge drinking or five minutes on a cell phone, but who know what happened between the worms slithering away and him being in leela's apartment. for all we know he messed himself up more, you know the saying ignorence is bliss? or the worms fucked him up out of spite.

remember anything AFTER the worms has no merits here, what counts is BEFORE the worms.

as i have said before that coney island thing has what a diploma thing from the guy that ran the ride? that proves he went there and didn't actually go to college? i have been to epcot, and if i could get off one of those damn rides i would. and the can opener? come on! that could be an act too! what better way to say "im an idiot", also how many perfectly smart people have fallen victim to an addiction? that slurm crap is like crack, flavor is nothing..chemical addiction is everything. also, as for the F-ray, IT"S THE FUTURE!!! they can cure anything, obviously he wasn't sterile when he became his own grandpa on his mother's side of the family.

[Reply #49 on:]

He made out with a freakin' RADIATOR.

[Reply #50 on:]

I think Fry just may be close to being a genius, but only at the right times.  his brain is different, a la The Day The Earth Stood Stupid", but maybe he just doesn't have enough education?  there are many learning disorders some one can have- maybe he has some?  anyway, if he's not really a genius, he sometimes has a good outlook on life, but not all the time.  once in a while, he'll give good advice.  BTW, you know what they say, there's a fine line between genius and insanity.

[Reply #51 on:]

@getak: the can opener was an act? So when the world is on the brink of collapse, robots have violent riots in the street and you have to provide your own food, Fry decides to carry on his act of being stupid? Why on Gods green Earth would he do that? If robots killed them all, he would die in the knowledge he succesfully kept his secret all his life? Boy, Fry sure is an idiot.

The slurm thing is not about adiction, it's about self-preservation: how many intelligent people will jump into a river, when they know they can't swim? None, that's how many. If Leela hadn't jumped in to save him, he would've drowned. And jumping in probably didn't score him many points in his quest to win Leela's heart.

F-Ray: so because we can cure severe burns today, giving yourself 2nd degree burns is perfectly logical? As was sacrificing his lungs for gills?

A redhot radiator!

[Reply #52 on:]

I say that Fry has his ultimate intellegence moments but other times he is just a plain ol' idiot

[Reply #53 on:]

I think Fry's a unique case. That "missing delta brain wave" thing probably goes further than just being immune to psionic attacks. He's a bit slow (ok, more like on the verge of mental retardation) and rearely thinks before he acts (or thinks at all), but he has his moments. He just needs to be motivated, that's all. For example, in "Time Keeps On Slippin'" he learned how to fly the Planet Express ship and operate the gravity pump in a relatively short(?) period of time. Also, in the brain room scene of "Love and Rocket" - what he did to save Leela's life took some quick thinking.
While I don't agree that Fry is a genius and is purposely hiding it, I do think that he's smareter than he usually shows, or even realizes himself. It seems to me that he's actually quite intelligent, but at the same time "mentally handicapped" and just plain lazy.

[Reply #54 on:]

Exactly what I'm thinking, Anarchist.  He doesn't purposely hide it, he just hasn't really found it, if you will. 

[Reply #55 on:]

i'll agree with that. He's mostly just lazy and needs to really be motivated to put forth the effort.

[Reply #56 on:]

you do drive a point there, then again einstein failed the first grade....

also, as for the radiator, was there any proof that he did the nasty with the steamy? a character being sickened? or something like that. obviously not actually showing the act. so for all anyone know he was just being a jackass trying to show he messed up the futurama universe it, you know yarn people for yarnasia, or whatever the hell they are.

also, as for the can opener, who said he was ever good at picking the right moment?

and as for the self preservation stuff, come on! i have known people who have let their lives go to hell in a hand basket from a chemical addiction. have you ever volenteered in a rehab clinic? i have heard stories of men sucking off bikers at truck stops for cash to buy crack or something more powerful. chemical addiction to something is a sickness, a sad and tragic one that claims the lives of many people each year. you know it is bad for you, but where the hell is your self preservation then?....

[Reply #57 on:]

I'll have to agree with you on the chemical addiction bit. It's been made clear enough that Fry is addicted to Slurm, and chemical addiction can be stronger than any survival instinct. Also, in that particular case, he knew that Leela wouldn't just stand there and watch him drown, so there goes the survival instinct.

What's your point, though, getak? Are you saying that Fry is, in fact, a genius, and is deliberately hiding it? For what reason? He already saw that he can easily win Leela's heart if he doesn't act stupid ("Parasites Lost" ), and I think it's been established pretty clearly that winning Leela's heart is his greatest goal. What would be the logic behind pretending to be stupid?

[Reply #58 on:]

Simple one word answer..... NO!

[Reply #59 on:]

no reasoning whatsoever, just felt like an argument.

[Reply #60 on:]

 

Originally posted by getak2003:
funny thing, if you watch the last parts of paracites lost you will hear the head worm say that what fry did to himself is nothing more than about a week of binge drinking or about five minutes on a cell phone, so it seems that he SHOULD still be realivly smart right?

No. Without the parasites to constantly rejuvenate him, his mental state deteriorates back to its normal (stupid) form.

[Reply #61 on:]

No.

[Reply #62 on:]

 

Originally posted by Jolly Mon:
No.

very simple...... 

[Reply #63 on:]

 

Originally posted by getak2003:
you do drive a point there, then again einstein failed the first grade....

also, as for the radiator, was there any proof that he did the nasty with the steamy? a character being sickened? or something like that. obviously not actually showing the act. so for all anyone know he was just being a jackass trying to show he messed up the futurama universe it

"The Sting" confirms he really did do the horizontal rhumba with the radiator. Although not particular good.

[Reply #64 on:]

if fry wasnt stupid then fry wouldnt be fry, does anyone get what i am saying           

[Reply #65 on:]

Seriously, he's a slacker, lazy, and just not willing to become smarter.  Who says he can't be really smart?  About all the stupid things he's done,(like make out with a radiator *shudders*), he's just dumb.  Even so, I think he can be really wise at right times.  You can't say exactly what is right in this argument, but it's probably two or more different kinds of smartness we're talkn about.

[Reply #66 on:]

 

Originally posted by Denton:
if fry wasnt stupid then fry wouldnt be fry, does anyone get what i am saying              

-> Parasites Lost

[Reply #67 on:]

@ Gocad:

This is Fry.

This is 'worms'.

This is Fry on worms.

Any questions?

Smart, stupid, or otherwise, It isn't in Fry's character to want to better himself (excepting, perhaps, to impress Leela). The worms improved Fry. Not Fry.

<walks away muttering>
I need a bigger life...

[Reply #68 on:]

Please ignore this.

[Reply #69 on:]

I think we're all indebted to SpaceCase for clearly stating what needed to be said.

[Reply #70 on:]

Fry can be smart when he wants to be.  After all, he was the last hope of the universe and the Nibbolians believed his stupidity saved the world.   He does lack the delta brain wave.  And most of the time, he's an idiot.   We've all heard him use big words, let's not forget that. 

[Reply #71 on:]

Isn't it mentioned that Fry's got a learning disability in one of the episodes? Or did I just dream that?

Been a few years since I've seen some of them. Though I am in the process of revisiting all of them in order during the run up to the Wild Green Yonder.

[Reply #72 on:]

I wouldn't normally respond to a five year old post, but since someone bumped this:

"The Sting" confirms he really did do the horizontal rhumba with the radiator.

No.  The Sting confirms that Leela believed that he had.  She also apparently thought that he had done it with Petunia, but as far as we know, that isn't true either.

Isn't it mentioned that Fry's got a learning disability in one of the episodes? Or did I just dream that?

A Biclops Built for Two.  "If it's obvious to you with your learning disability, then of course it's obvious to me."

[Reply #73 on:]

I wouldn't normally respond to a five year old post, but since someone bumped this:

"The Sting" confirms he really did do the horizontal rhumba with the radiator.

No.  The Sting confirms that Leela believed that he had.  She also apparently thought that he had done it with Petunia, but as far as we know, that isn't true either.

Isn't it mentioned that Fry's got a learning disability in one of the episodes? Or did I just dream that?

A Biclops Built for Two.  "If it's obvious to you with your learning disability, then of course it's obvious to me."

And again it was Leela assuming he has some sort of learning disability other than his general laziness in dealing with most things outside of star trek, outer space, and video games, which made him seemingly effective as the ships gunner when needed, all of which takes a fair amount of skill or hardwired ability.

[Reply #74 on:]

If Fry is an idiot savant, wouldn't he have ritualistic behaviors?  Fry don't seem to have that. 

[Reply #75 on:]

All I can say that is anyone who can cobble together a working brain, even an inferior one, without an essential brainwave must be an absolute genius by those standards. Fry's stupidity has got a lot to do with being extremely simple-minded and foolish. He's not really all that slow. When can actually understand something, he does learn fast.

[Reply #76 on:]

Yes, that was very well said, My Own Grandpa!  I completely agree with you!  ^^

[Reply #77 on:]

All I can say that is anyone who can cobble together a working brain, even an inferior one, without an essential brainwave must be an absolute genius by those standards. Fry's stupidity has got a lot to do with being extremely simple-minded and foolish. He's not really all that slow. When can actually understand something, he does learn fast.

He'd probably only learn something fast if he was interested in it. Selective learning I'll call it.

[Reply #78 on:]

wow, bumping threads, my favourite pass time!

[Reply #79 on:]

I'd say Fry is a 'functioning idiot'.