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Venus

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« Reply #40 on: 06-09-2003 03:27 »

i've never seen an ep of red dwarf, but if i decided to 'aquire' an ep, what ep should i 'aquire'?
boingo2000

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« Reply #41 on: 06-09-2003 19:41 »

And let's not forget the imcredible grammatical similarites between "Scruffy" and "Scutters"!  But that's got no option but to be a coincidence.  Anyway, Venus, I'd reccomend Better Then Life.  It gives a good idea as to the basics of the series and it's characters.
SamuelXDiamond

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« Reply #42 on: 06-09-2003 20:17 »

Venus: Adding to boingo's ep, to get a good concept of the show, get 'The End' (the first episode).

A lot of people also find 'Backwards' (III), 'Polymorph' (III), 'Dimension Jump' (IV), 'Back To Reality' (V) and 'Gunmen of the Apocalypse' (VI) good to get a handle on the series (brackets indicate series, in order to preserve chronology).

Oh, and there are some similarities between Rimmer and Cubert... The smug superiority, self-satisfying 'wit', cowardliness, the fact that everyone wants to smack them... But of course Cubert doesn't have the warm vulnerability of our Arnie.

Leela:And what's the basis of this theory?
Sam:I'm 18.
Wonderbee31

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« Reply #43 on: 06-09-2003 21:35 »
« Last Edit on: 06-09-2003 21:35 »

Hey Venus, they have the first two seasons of Red Dwarf out on dvd.  Like Futurama, Red Dwarf started out strong from the start.  If you'd like to watch an episode that'll make you LOL, then pick up the second season dvd, and watch Queeg.  It's great.

Now, if only the Red Dwarf and Futurama movies (I hope I hope I hope) could come out at the same time, that would just be , wonderful.  big grin
Venus

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« Reply #44 on: 06-10-2003 00:45 »

im completely confused. i saw both the unaired US pilot and something called 'the rimmer song' and i couldn't recognize any of the actors. did they refilm the pilot for america? and why is 'the cat' a black man with absolutely no cat like characteristics at all? am i missing something here?
Spice Weasel

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« Reply #45 on: 06-10-2003 00:53 »
« Last Edit on: 06-10-2003 00:53 »

You are missing so, so very much. I can't even begin to begin.

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"Back to Reality" Best RD ep ever.
Venus

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« Reply #46 on: 06-10-2003 01:42 »

wow. that was helpful.
Venus

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« Reply #47 on: 06-10-2003 01:52 »

oh wow, they did refilm for america. i just found a website with cast pictures. Stuff makes sense now. But it still looks like the only catish attribute 'the cat' has is fangs. You would think they would have been more creative.
Spice Weasel

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« Reply #48 on: 06-10-2003 01:55 »

Cat is about 3 million years evolved from regular kitty cats.  Long story.
Venus

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« Reply #49 on: 06-10-2003 01:58 »

no, i understood that part, but the dna he evolved from was still feline and wouldn't have ended up with the same results as our primate dna.
SamuelXDiamond

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« Reply #50 on: 06-10-2003 14:17 »
« Last Edit on: 06-10-2003 14:17 »

He acts a whole lot more 'cat-like' in the early series - the point being to have an amoral, selfish, narcissistic character who could get away with it because of his nature. Kinda like how Bender gets away with all his misdeeds because he's a robot.

They couldn't afford extensive make-up at the BBC, yet even in the books (a seperate entity altogether) he is described as "Outwardly at least, he was human in appearance - there was a slight flattening of his face: his ears were a little higher on his head, and two of his gleaming upper teeth hung down longer andsharper than the others" (- (C)1989 Grant/Naylor)

There's also an extensive sequence which deals with how, because of the confined nature of the cargo hold in which the species evolved, those who stood on their hind legs were better equipped for survival. And the need for food caused hands to be evolved to operate can-openers!

And, let's not forget about the six nipples...
Impossible

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« Reply #51 on: 06-10-2003 15:14 »

Reading this thread, there definitely are some similarities!

Wasn't there an episode of Red Dwarf where they went into a parallel universe or something?
Smitty

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« Reply #52 on: 06-10-2003 15:22 »

There were quite a few parallel universe eps. Most notably one called "Parallel Universe."

The Farnsworth Parabox reminded me of an episode from RD's fifth series (I think) called Demons and Angels with "good" And "evil" versions of the crew. Though the main stories were different there is a little similarity there.
Action Jacktion

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« Reply #53 on: 06-10-2003 16:03 »

I've lost count of the number of times Red Dwarf has had parallel or evil or good or otherwise duplicated versions of the characters.  It's cheaper than hiring guest actors, I guess.

And I just remembered that in "Dimension Jump" we learn that the parallel version of Lister is married to Kochanski.  I'll add that to the list on the first page.
winna

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« Reply #54 on: 06-10-2003 16:55 »

There's a parallel episode where their counterpart versions are the opposite sex, but men have the babies and Lister gets pregnant.  I don't remember the episode name, actually I don't remember any of the episode names, I used to have a whole list with them, but I haven't been avidly watching since it doesn't come on much :*(
Chriswell

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« Reply #55 on: 06-10-2003 23:52 »

 
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Originally posted by winna:
Hey Chriswell, that's not a bender (although he did do it), we used to do that all the time when we went to the video arcades.

I admit that wasn't really a character trait similarity, just a big fat coincidence. But I brought it up for clarification anyway.   wink

Ace and Zapp, maybe in certain aspects of their boastfulness. But other than that not really.

Ace is someone who worked himself up and earned respect and gained his confidence through hard work.
Zapp obviously never earned a thing in his life. Major diff between the 2 there.

Look at Rimmer in the episode Meltdown and you'll see Zapp in that one.

-cs



"It's toe tappingly tragic."
Impossible

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« Reply #56 on: 06-11-2003 13:37 »

I think in another episode of Red Dwarf they went back in time and I think they went to JFK's assissantion in 1963...relates to Futurama as they went back in time to Roswell...
BarneyBurnham

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« Reply #57 on: 06-11-2003 14:04 »
« Last Edit on: 06-11-2003 14:04 »

I used to be a right Red Dwarf nerd but I haven't watched the videos in ages.  Should really get the DVDs...

I used to go home for dinner from school and watch an episode while having my dinner, that's how obsessed I was.

 
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Originally posted by Venus:
i've never seen an ep of red dwarf, but if i decided to 'aquire' an ep, what ep should i 'aquire'?

Is this an allusion to d***l***ing? I can't imagine it being that popular to be easily available on the regular peer-to-peer networks.  I could be wrong, it was mentioned on Buffy once.

Getting off-topic now (actually this whole post is), but I can't find my 3rd favourite sitcom of all-time ("Norm" ) anywhere. I don't mind as Channel 4 are showing it again, but it was just as a comparison.
sheep555

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« Reply #58 on: 06-11-2003 15:00 »

 
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Originally posted by BarneyBurnham:
Is this an allusion to d***l***ing? I can't imagine it being that popular to be easily available on the regular peer-to-peer networks.  I could be wrong, it was mentioned on Buffy once.

Trust me - it is popular  smile And get the DVDs, because the commentaries are hilarious...
1969

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« Reply #59 on: 06-22-2003 12:03 »

The Red Dwarf movie IS being made. It is being filmed in Australia.
 www.reddwarf.co.uk

I think if Rimmer was in a position such as Zapp, he'd be just like him.
Killbot Bot Jnr
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« Reply #60 on: 07-07-2003 02:18 »

Rimmer would be, but not Ace.
Ace would accept his death, whereas Rimmer, as I recall, gave death a hard kick in the delicates and ran off.

Cowards live longer.
Coop

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« Reply #61 on: 07-07-2003 14:29 »

 
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Originally posted by Chriswell:
Actually I think Rimmer's more like Zapp Brannigan. If Rimmer had ever made starship captain that is. They both think they're the pinnacle of command excellence, but underneath they're somewhat shallow and petty and willing to blame others for their failures. Ask Kif.   big grin

Kochanski - Leela  that fits.

Kryten is more like Zoidberg

Holly - Professor that checks out, though the Prof's a bit more cruel.

Cat - little bit of Amy at times a bit like Bender at other times. Cat's more like Bender as in not being considerate of others and a bit self centered at times.

-cs


I think that "Ace Rimmer" is alot like Zapp. I've often compared these two shows and its cool to see that other people notice the similarities.



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Action Jacktion

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« Reply #62 on: 07-07-2003 15:30 »

Ace Rimmer is like Zapp, only he really is as good as he seems to be.
1969

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« Reply #63 on: 07-07-2003 17:47 »

Basically, there's MAJOR similarities which are undeniable.

Kochanski - Smart, tough beautiful chick that kicks arse and often saves the day, but has her vulnerabilities. And is loved by the male character but thinks she is too good for him, though is starting to realise he is more than he seems - Just like Leela.

Lister - Dumb, funny, working class guy stuck in a dead end job winds up eons in the future. Dense but always means well, loyal to his friends and knows how to enjoy life. Loves the female character of the show, she is the love of his life, but she doesnt love him - Just like Fry.

Kryten, the Cat and Holly all fill in similar "Spaces" within the character structure of the show as Bender, Zoidberg and Farnsworth, but in a mix. If you can understand that.  smile

I would be very suprised if MG or DXC had never seen Red Dwarf.
Coop

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« Reply #64 on: 07-08-2003 16:40 »





I can definatley see some similarities, but thats probably just me.

And I agree with 1969, Im sure they have seen Red Dwarf.


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Sil

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« Reply #65 on: 07-12-2003 08:01 »

I thought Starbug was blue? I was watching RD the other day, and I was sure it was blue.
aussie dude

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« Reply #66 on: 07-12-2003 14:27 »

star bug is definately green but there is more than one transporter ship on red dwarf theres starbug, white giant and another one it was probably one of the other ones that you saw
Cube_166

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« Reply #67 on: 07-12-2003 14:32 »

white giant??? There isn't a white giant. There is a blue midget though. That's most likely what you saw Sil.
[Cube_166 goes off muttering to himself about white giants]
DanceCommander

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« Reply #68 on: 07-12-2003 14:35 »

There are blue transport shuttles in the latest series. (They do line dancing!) Thats probably what you were thinking about, Sil.

I think Futurama is a huge amalgamation of Sci-Fi greats, such as RD, Hitch-Hikers Guide(Which I have just finished! Soooo cool) and Star Trek/Wars, among others(there's even space 1999 refrences!). Thats why I love it so.
aussie dude

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« Reply #69 on: 07-12-2003 14:41 »

sorry white giant must only be in the books then it is hard to remember what has what sometimes
Cube_166

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« Reply #70 on: 07-12-2003 15:16 »

 
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Originally posted by DanceCommander:
There are blue transport shuttles in the latest series. (They do line dancing!) Thats probably what you were thinking about, Sil.

The blue transport shuttles, blue midgets are used much earlier than in the latest series (see series 2) but the latest series was the first time that they have been seen line dancing.   big grin
aussie dude

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« Reply #71 on: 07-13-2003 14:36 »

although bender and kryten are both robots and that is an obvious connection i cant help but think that mabe bender and cat have more in common than bender and kryten. The cat and bender are both lazy, egotistical, self centered, and greedy and both come to the aid of theie friends when really needed and i cant see nearly as many similarities between kryten and bender of course feel free to correct me if im wrong (I probably am)
Smitty

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« Reply #72 on: 07-13-2003 15:12 »

Remember Petersen's Marilyn Monroe-droid in The Last Day? Remember little Billy's Marilyn Monroe-bot in I Dated A Robot?
aussie dude

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« Reply #73 on: 07-14-2003 09:28 »

i havent seen the episode but apparently there is one where we find fry is his own grandfather isnt there also an episode where we find out lister is his own father? and he places himself in a box under a table in a pub in liverpool
sheep555

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« Reply #74 on: 07-14-2003 10:20 »

 
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Originally posted by aussie dude:
i havent seen the episode but apparently there is one where we find fry is his own grandfather isnt there also an episode where we find out lister is his own father? and he places himself in a box under a table in a pub in liverpool

Apart from the lack of grammar there, yes, you're right. Lister is his own father, Fry is his own grandfather.
aussie dude

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« Reply #75 on: 07-14-2003 10:43 »

hey this isnt like the grammer thread or anything is it? cause i type like people say.
So they both have pretty extreme Oedipus type complexes then, I never realised so much sci-fi was based in Freudian psycho-anaysis I wonder what this says about the writers of these episodes then? Dont want to point fingers or thow stones but I think the evidence is pretty condemning.
BrainDeadZombie

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« Reply #76 on: 07-16-2003 21:38 »

Zapp is really Capt. Kirk (although his name
is a riff on Flash Gordon), and Ace is a cross between Dan Dare and Biggles, but it's no coincidence they are similar - they're both stereotypical hero-types.

I'm shocked to hear the suggestion that Danny John Jules' Cat has no cat-like qualities! He preens himself, he's lazy, he has an aerosol can full of urine and he sprays it on the walls saying "That's mine! That's mine!". How much more like a cat could he be. I'd certainly agree that "Better Than Life" and "Queeg" are recommendable episodes.

Becoming your own ancestor is a common SF paradox, and I'm sure it was involved in more than one of Tharg's Time-Twisters (2000AD), and it could have so nearly happened to Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future. It can't be good for your genetic make-up, being your own off-spring; you'd be susceptible to all sorts of congenital diseases; Or maybe it's alright because you've already been born! Arggh, my brain's exploding!

As for planet's being potted into the sun, I believe "intergalactic games of bar-billiards" were first mentioned by Douglas Adams towards the end of the radio/TV series, Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy, where a planet was reportedly potted into a black hole and only scored 12 points.

Kryten's more like Kif than Bender and Aussie-Dude is quite right to suggest that Bender more closly resmebles the Cat.
reverend

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« Reply #77 on: 07-17-2003 04:47 »
« Last Edit on: 07-17-2003 04:47 »

I see quite a few peope have been recommending the Red Dwarf DVDs to people who've never seen the show. Having recently introduced the series to my girlfriend, I was actually rather embarrassed because I had gone on about how great it was and then the first series really wasn't very funny. It seems it should be funnier than it is because the concept is so great. What I'm getting at is - if you don't like the first series that much, stick with it because it does get better and better. And if you do like the first series - it gets even better!
aussie dude

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« Reply #78 on: 07-17-2003 07:00 »

yeah season 3-6 is where it really hits its stride but this is probably more relevant on the red dwarf thread in 'Its on TV'
Chriswell

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« Reply #79 on: 07-19-2003 21:12 »

I have an interesting artistic challenge for those handy with drawing stuff.

Draw the Red Dwarf crew (Lister, Rimmer, Cat, Kryten, Holly both versions and Kristine Kochanski either version though I prefer Chloe Annett) as if they've appeared on Futurama.

Best of luck.  smile

-cs



"It's toe tappingly tragic."
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