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getak2003

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« on: 04-21-2003 19:46 »

She is a very complex caracter to map really.

POINT ONE: she has slept with Zapp, lakazar, and has been in other meaningless relatioships with sean, mars U dean, adolai, and so so many others.

POINT TWO: Fry has saved her life many times, shown her in his own way that he loves her deeply, has re-aranged stars for her, married her, and sacrificed his oxygen for her.

POINT THREE: Leela doesn't even give Fry the time of day, divirced him precicely ten minutes after marriage, barely had a romantic moment after the oxygen thing (they could have had it after killing zoidburg), she destroyed the stars that fry rearanged (now that is irony!) and after his saving her so many times and yes she has saved him back.

PART FOUR: The two times she ever really fell in love with him was in paracites lost, and her love was for the new fry and never the old one, or at least the not so good parts of him. the second time was when she married him afte the star note thing. she divorced him ten minutes later after accusing him of drugging/hypnotising/tricking her at the wedding, and the to top it all off she was the one who destroyed the note non the less, now that is irony!

FINAL JUSGEMENT:
She is a total whack job bitch on wheels with bad depth perception and that seems to have also been a big part in her decision making perception. everything fry does is stupid, no matter what (paracites lost, proving her true loyalties), and everything nameless faceless nobodies (sean) are far more improtant to her.

Go figure........

GHT 
Teral

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« Reply #1 on: 04-21-2003 20:29 »
« Last Edit on: 04-21-2003 20:29 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
She is a very complex caracter to map really.

POINT ONE: she has slept with Zapp, lakazar, and has been in other meaningless relatioships with sean, mars U dean, adolai, and so so many others.

Zapp: I (and other PEELers) have already mapped out what I think about that, so no sense to keep beating that horse.

Alcazar: She is the last chance for her race to live. She and Alcazar are the only surviving cyclopses, and unless they get together the race will die, forever. Granted, one male and one female isn't sufficient genetic material to make a viable race/genepool, but she has to take the chance, maybe other cyclopses will show up, maybe Farnsworth can whip up a new machine, all Leela know is she has a responsibility to her race.

Now you'll counter by saying, she's not a cyclops, she's a mutant. To quote the Borg; that's irrelevant. What matter is what Leela believe, and based on what she know, and how she feels about her heritage, her actions where completely justifiable.

Relationships/dating other guys: All her relationships happened before she met Fry, to my knowledge the only thing that would fit the discription of a relationship during the show was Adlai. Adlai were her childhood love, her dreamguy at the orphanarium. He is a rich and famous doctor, he fulfilled her lifelong dream of normality, he seemed like a noble man. I think it's understandable she fell for him.

She dated other guys, the dean, etc: what is she supposed to do? Sit home, knit and wait for Mr right to knock on her door?
 
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POINT TWO: Fry has saved her life many times, shown her in his own way that he loves her deeply, has re-aranged stars for her, married her, and sacrificed his oxygen for her.

So everytime someone saves your life you're supposed to marry them? I better remember that the next time some fat chick gets in trouble.   big grin Seriously though, saving her life (2 at the most 3 times) doesn't obligate her to marry Fry. It's a wonderful thing to do , and the "Love And Rocket" scene were cute. Besides Leela has saved his life more times.

Fry showed he loved her, but at the same time came up with the immortal oil-rubbing line (and coupled it with his relationship with Amy   no no ). It's true what Leela said in "Time Keeps On Slipping": she loves his boyish charm, but hates his childisness. And which one of the traits is bigger? Judging from the show, it's his childisness.

The oxygen was cute, and the last scene did show Leela as a lot more accepting to Fry's advance. She definetely moved there.

 
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POINT THREE: Leela doesn't even give Fry the time of day, divirced him precicely ten minutes after marriage, barely had a romantic moment after the oxygen thing (they could have had it after killing zoidburg), she destroyed the stars that fry rearanged (now that is irony!) and after his saving her so many times and yes she has saved him back.

She didn't know why she fell for him, she couldn't remember. After Fry's knee-jerk advance earlier in the episode (with his timeshelter) were she supposed to suck it up, think "I guess it's for a good reason" and just get on with it? Ofocurse not, she's been hurt so many times by lowlifes (think Alcazar here) that she wont allow it to happen again. Since Fry himself can't give a good reason why they're getting married, why should Leela stay in the marriage?

Leela didn't know about the stars. She was trying to save the space-time continuum. It's not like she thought "uhhm better destroy this crap lovenote Fry made, that jerk", simple because she never saw it.

 
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PART FOUR: The two times she ever really fell in love with him was in paracites lost, and her love was for the new fry and never the old one, or at least the not so good parts of him. the second time was when she married him afte the star note thing. she divorced him ten minutes later after accusing him of drugging/hypnotising/tricking her at the wedding, and the to top it all off she was the one who destroyed the note non the less, now that is irony!

Agree with you on "Parasites Lost", as for "Time Keeps On Slipping" look further up. Blaming Leela for wilfully destroying Fry's lovenote and not wanting to stay in a marriage neither she nor Fry could explain simply does not compute.
 
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FINAL JUSGEMENT:
She is a total whack job bitch on wheels with bad depth perception and that seems to have also been a big part in her decision making perception. everything fry does is stupid, no matter what (paracites lost, proving her true loyalties), and everything nameless faceless nobodies (sean) are far more improtant to her.

She's a sensitive young woman who have been hurt by idiots, ingrates and lowlifes her whole life. Kids laughed at her, called her names, sexist teachers, people who toyed with her emotions for their own amusement, etc. the only time she commanded a little respect was when she posed a physical threat to them.

Sean was before she ever meat Fry, and she still cared for him. Then she finds out (thanks to Fry) that even he was just using her!
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« Reply #2 on: 04-21-2003 20:39 »

Ooh, a pro vs. anti Leela arguement. I've been itching to get involved in one of these. (I don't know if this is a tired arguement or not, since I've only started reading this board about a week ago, and started posting yesterday, but still...) Anyway, I live for debates, so here it goes:

No offence, but you're very, very biased. You're focusing only on Leela's negative aspects. I admit, I am a Leela lover, but I always take her negative aspects into account as well and will acknowledge them in my arguement. You should do the same if you want your arguement to be more solid. (Also, if you don't want to get lynched by the abundancy of Leela lovers this board seems to have.)

Despite her shortcomings, Leela is a good, strong,kind, and caring woman. (Not 100% of the time, but overall.) You've failed to mention moments like her saving his life and the mistletoe moment in X-Mas story, her going up against an entire army to save Fry after he insulted her quite badly (My Three Suns), her giving up her career and the life she'd known up to that point for Fry (Space Pilot 3000), and plenty of other moments I'm neglecting to cite. She does put down Fry quite frequently, but you have to admit - most of the time, he deserves it. Also, in episodes like Parasites Lost, she has no idea what Fry went through for her, and I'm pretty sure that she doesn't quite grasp how much Fry truly cares for her. Due to this and her luck with men, as well as Fry's perpetual idiocy, she's understandably cautious about allowing a relationship to happen. She does, however, genuinely care for him, and would not want to lose the intimate friendship they currently have.
Now, to be fair, I do admit that Leela can be quite insensetive and downright stupid from time to time. I see this as a good thing, though - it would be a real turn-off if she was "perfect". This way, she's more acceptable as a character - more "real", if you will. I think the writers took great care when creating her character, and I think they did an excellent job.
Okay, I admit, there were times when I just wanted to reach through the screen and slap her (and for that, I'm going to "kill" her in a fanfic I'm currently writing, as well as adress the issue of "is there a limit to how much crap Fry can take" ), but I find her an overall very likeable and well-rounded character.

Comments? Flames?
getak2003

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« Reply #3 on: 04-21-2003 20:44 »
« Last Edit on: 04-21-2003 20:44 »

this is to the first person:

Hey, did she at least give a fry a chance when married? we may never know, but my guess is no. just because you have no idea why you softened up to a guy, who you have loved this whole time and just couldn't show it, doesn't mean you can't at least give him a chance under those circimstances. need i remind you that they act normally during the time skip, they just can't remember beyond a certain point.

EX you have a normal day, then amnesia hits you at an inconvenient point, you wake up in a really good apartment, and last you remember you have a name. what to do?

also i never said that she knew that the letter was there, but the thing is, that was one hell of a bit of irony there. you have to admit.

You have a good point there:

i admit that is just so true. she is a good person, although not 100% of the time. you make valid arguments against me. and i love leela too, i just can't compute how this relationship never got out of the gate sort to speak.

PS. i too was working on something like that. although most likely very different and shorter than yours, (it is for the trans dimensional episode), oh trust me fry will go off like a nuke, and there will be an argument after that which will use the ideas gathered here. in this thread.

All things for a reason. i call it stragegery....

GHT 
Margarita

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« Reply #4 on: 04-21-2003 21:23 »

"Times keep on slipin'". I think this episode explains why Leela and Fry arent together.
Fry with worms - ideal boyfriend, because he shows Leela his love. Fry without worms - just idiot who is talking about his and Amy relationship being in bed with Leela.
girls dont like such guys like Fry because he's irresponsible and stuff.
actually, I dont understand when people say they love futurama and dont like one of the main characters. :\
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« Reply #5 on: 04-21-2003 21:47 »

Leela's jury is still out on the subject of Fry being a lovable dipshit or just a dipshit dipshit, give her some lattitude.  Splunk!
getak2003

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« Reply #6 on: 04-21-2003 21:59 »

Too bad the jury will not be in until nex year at the earliest.
Spice Weasel

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« Reply #7 on: 04-21-2003 22:01 »
« Last Edit on: 04-21-2003 22:01 »

According to what I've read fox will air out the rest of the eps after May sweeps.  That probably means June/July.

I'll search for and post the link of that info....when I find it.

Edit:

Wow, Outstanding rebuttal Teral
Anarchist

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« Reply #8 on: 04-21-2003 22:24 »

Yeah, they will air the rest of the eps after May Sweeps. The problem is, they didn't specify how long after May sweeps.
getak2003

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« Reply #9 on: 04-21-2003 22:36 »

back to character mapping. lets have a debate to end all debates.

 what do you think an amy leela argument about why in the name of all that is right doesn't she even give Fry the time of day. something I have been wanting to see forever, but will never see due to the cancellation thing.

keep them coming, this is just getting good.

GHT
evan

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« Reply #10 on: 04-21-2003 22:58 »

To stand up for getak, I think that the real Leela is somewhere between poor tortured soul and egomaniacal super-bitch.

Face it, Leela-lovers, she has treated Fry like crap. It's not like she doesn't know he has this huge crush on her. She knows his feelings for her, and she likes him well enough as a friend, but she won't date him.

Fry was the only one who tried to talk Leela out of getting the eye surgery (he liked her the way she was), he saved her life numerous times, he saved her from numerous jerk boyfriends (it was him that showed how awful Alkazar was), he re-united her with her long lost parents, and he twice sacrificed himself to save her.

The two sacrifices I refer to are in L&R, when he literally gives his life for hers, and in Parasites Lost, when he gives up being perfect just to know if Leela really loved the "real" him...oh, and the only reason he saved the future in TWOF was to have a chance with her.

And it's not like Leela's completely kind to Fry either. You can't keep track of all the times she's insulted, yelled at, hit, degraded, etc poor Fry.

Leela's seen all of this, and yet she still ignores him. She's a "sensitive" woman (quoting Teral), but she takes out her frustrations on the one guy who really likes her.
getak2003

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« Reply #11 on: 04-21-2003 23:03 »

Damn strait!
Margarita

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« Reply #12 on: 04-21-2003 23:18 »

you're not a girl to understand Leela...
Fry is nice, but he's immature and irresponsible.
Leela likes Fry but she can't live with him.
btw, she saved his life many times too.
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« Reply #13 on: 04-21-2003 23:23 »

This is starting to get interesting.

Evan, while you make valid points, you shouldn't forget about Fry's perpetual idiocy. Most of the crap he received from Leela was well-deserved.
He did do all those wonderful things for her and she does care about him deeply.
Close relations and warm moments like that do not alway warrant a romantic relationship, however. For some people, a truly close and intimate friendship means more than any romance, and a true friendship DOES last much longer than most romantic relationships.

Also, a sad fact about these types of friendships (and I'm talking from experience here) is that one person often develops strong "romantic" feelings for the other, but the other person simply does not feel that way about him/her. This is often painful for the person with the "attachment", and sometimes is even the long-term cause for the end of the friendship, but that's simply the way it is, and 99% of the time, there's nothing you can do.

While I don't think that Fry's situation is that hopeless, I do see exactly this type of situation here. Leela DOES have some kindling of romantic feelings toward him (in Parasites Lost she loved him, but he didn't in fact change - he was stronger, smarter, and more capable, but he was still the same Fry), and other factors are involved, namely his tendancy to be an idiot and Leela's history (romantically and otherwise). Oh, and I still insist that Leela DOESN'T fully grasp how much Fry really cares for her, even though she's certainly aware of the crush. As for the "romantic gestures" that she DOES know about, see above.

Now that I think of it, I would actually rather see the series end with Leela and Fry in a truly close and intimate friendship rather than in a state of question about a possible romance, or even an actual romance.
evan

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« Reply #14 on: 04-21-2003 23:52 »

She cares about him deeply? In TWOF, she makes him clean up Nibbler's crap! Granted, she's not always as mean as she's made out to be, but she's hardly a "precious little flower" like Teral's making her out to be.
Anarchist

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« Reply #15 on: 04-22-2003 00:11 »

See my above reference to wanting to reach through the screen and slap her from time to time. I do agree with you about her behavior in The Why of Fry. (I even found it somewhat out of character. She should have learned at least a little about telling apart jerks from real men by now. She's smarter than that. She was acting like a braindead highschool girl, for God's sake.) But like I said, she's not perfect. Can you really fault her for that?
getak2003

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« Reply #16 on: 04-22-2003 07:08 »

Fry should just mail order a romantic lover/wife from russia or china. this is whole friendship thing is CRAP!
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« Reply #17 on: 04-22-2003 07:13 »

Season 3, episode 15: I dated a robot.
Lee Roberts

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« Reply #18 on: 04-22-2003 07:19 »

mmmm, Leela's cool. Plus there's already a Leela Thread! But this one seems diffrent so it doesn't matter.
FilthyCrab

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« Reply #19 on: 04-22-2003 10:11 »

Most women, in my humble experience go for the guys that aren't good for them, while totally ignoring the guys that would make their lives wonderful.  Most guys do a similar thing with women, looking for women that will do them no good while ignoring the ones that would be great for them.  Bottom line is the human race is made up of idiots.  Leela is a human (mutant).  Ergo, Leela is an idiot, just like the rest of us.
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« Reply #20 on: 04-22-2003 10:55 »

 
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Most women, in my humble experience go for the guys that aren't good for them, while totally ignoring the guys that would make their lives wonderful.

AMEN!

Teral

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« Reply #21 on: 04-22-2003 11:31 »
« Last Edit on: 04-22-2003 11:31 »

 
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Originally posted by getak2003:
this is to the first person:

Hey, did she at least give a fry a chance when married? we may never know, but my guess is no. just because you have no idea why you softened up to a guy, who you have loved this whole time and just couldn't show it, doesn't mean you can't at least give him a chance under those circimstances. need i remind you that they act normally during the time skip, they just can't remember beyond a certain point.

EX you have a normal day, then amnesia hits you at an inconvenient point, you wake up in a really good apartment, and last you remember you have a name. what to do?

First, let me apologize if my post was a tad negative, I didn't mean for it to be. Just it was late, I had app. 3 hours of sleep ahead of me before a new day of work loomed.

On to the fun: Look at it from Leela's point of view. First Fry tell her he built a timeshelter, just for the two of them. That's cute, and Leela is moved that she is the one he would want to save. She looks inside and sees Fry's version of a Lovenasium. Fry give her champagne, and she's moved, then Fry force the question of a date, rather than just let this sweet gesture speak for itself. He impress her with flying the ship, and date-thing show up again. It's like up and down, up and down. The time jumps, and the next thing she know Fry's giving her a big, wet kiss. Granted some of it might be panic/confussion, but she is caught off guard and does what feels natural. When Fry can't come up with a better explanation than "I must've done something amazing, lets work with that", I can see why she gets suspicious.

Yes, Fry was honest and his action was amazing and sweet. The best thing Leela could've done was giving it the benefit of doubt and they'll probably have got a terrific marriage. We all agree here. But Leela doesn't know what we know, and is confussed about how she feels about Fry, she simply took the natural course of protecting herself from harm.

All, IMHO, ofcourse.   smile
 
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also i never said that she knew that the letter was there, but the thing is, that was one hell of a bit of irony there. you have to admit.

Yes, I agree.

 
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You have a good point there:

i admit that is just so true. she is a good person, although not 100% of the time. you make valid arguments against me. and i love leela too, i just can't compute how this relationship never got out of the gate sort to speak.
 

I'm not sure if this was for me, or Anarchist. Suffice is to say I'm not a shipper as such, if they get together they get together (but please, not before the final episode), if not, Futurama will go on. I just have a natural tendency to jump to the defence of my favorite characters. Post something nasty about Kif, and I'll go equally ballistic.   big grin

 
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but she's hardly a "precious little flower" like Teral's making her out to be

Well, I admit I went overboard at that point, for reasons stated further up this post. I actually don't see Leela as a precious, little flower. She's and independent, strongwilled, dedicated and friendly woman, with a soft spot for pets, wellmeaning but slightly dumb guys and beer (all in all a classy lady).

One of the reasons she's not a "precious little flower" anymore is that she's toughened herself. She's erected walls around her, to protect herself. Dating this string of losers and lowlifes, have only buil the walls higher (and thus making Fry's task harder). These walls make her seem hard, and unapproachable, yet if you get inside them I'm sure you'll see another Turanga Leela. Good luck to Fry on getting thorugh. Serious, I mean it.

 
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Fry was the only one who tried to talk Leela out of getting the eye surgery (he liked her the way she was), he saved her life numerous times, he saved her from numerous jerk boyfriends (it was him that showed how awful Alkazar was), he re-united her with her long lost parents, and he twice sacrificed himself to save her.

[Sunset Squad Robot]There's no denying that.[/SSR]

But if you don't love (or are uncertain about your feelings towards) the guy, none of them are valid reasons for starting a relationship. Friends would also do these things.

And before I dig this hole any deeper, let me just stop with this:

 
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Most women, in my humble experience go for the guys that aren't good for them, while totally ignoring the guys that would make their lives wonderful. Most guys do a similar thing with women, looking for women that will do them no good while ignoring the ones that would be great for them. Bottom line is the human race is made up of idiots. Leela is a human (mutant). Ergo, Leela is an idiot, just like the rest of us.

You're me hero, FC.

Don't confuse not caring with not knowing!
Shiny Metal Ass

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« Reply #22 on: 04-22-2003 13:18 »

I believe that although Leela has some strong feelings for Fry her past exxperiences meen she can't get into a serious relationship. I don't think she's a bitch and i don't think she's a precious flower. I think the season should end in them getting together because i think that otherwise there would be no final climax at the end (but no weddings i hate weddings!)   big grin
Teral

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« Reply #23 on: 04-22-2003 15:23 »
« Last Edit on: 04-22-2003 15:23 »

Just to brighten things up a bit in here.

You think Leela treats Fry unfair?

Well  things can get a lot worse! (fanart at No Homers Club   big grin
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« Reply #24 on: 04-22-2003 15:31 »

^ laff  I want that table scene as my wallpaper.
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« Reply #25 on: 04-22-2003 15:59 »

That first one is a bit... disturbing. Although it has a striking resemblance to a certain scene in AOI1.
getak2003

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« Reply #26 on: 04-22-2003 16:00 »

Not fair at times I would say. Although he does deserve it sometimes, i will let that one guy who posted earlier make the call on just how much fry can take before going on a rampage.

you have to admit, I am suprised it has not happened yet in other fan fics.

SPOILER:

the trans dimensional episode will touch up on this for a good part.

that is why i made this thread, to get a better idea of what the population thinks.

it is called strategery....

GHT
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« Reply #27 on: 04-22-2003 16:13 »

I call it luring people into letting you steal their ideas, but I suppose that's a strategy in and of itself.  tongue  wink

And I'm a bit surprised myself that nobody had Fry snap yet. GHT, I think you'll find the amount of abuse Leela receives in my fanfic very pleasing   evil laugh
All out of my love for the character, of course.
getak2003

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« Reply #28 on: 04-22-2003 16:23 »
« Last Edit on: 04-22-2003 16:23 »

Just keep working on it. I can't wait.

Hopefully I will have mine out before you, that way nobody can say I stole anything from you.

i just want a good clean fight between the leela lovers and the leela critics. these coments, insights, and opinions are going to a good cause of creating a good fan fic part. i want it to be an equal argument with facts and examples from both sides of the issue.

GHT
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« Reply #29 on: 04-22-2003 16:43 »

I'm sure you'll have yours out before mine, since mine is nowhere near completion, and 15 minutes ago I just axed half of it after reading it over and saying to myself "this is absolute garbage". Oh, and don't take the "stealing" comments seriously.

Now then, to incite an arguement:
Leela certainly does have her history with men, and Fry does indeed do some very stupid things, but does she really have any solid justification for pushing him away the way she does while dating complete lowlives (i.e. Chaz) whenever one comes along and shows some manner of interest? I can understand Adalai, Alcazar, and even Brannigan, but if she's going to be more cautious with men, she should be more cautious with all men. If she's willing to give love another chance, on the other hand, quit trying to repel Fry - he just might get over her one day, and deep down, I don't think Leela would want that.
Feel free to attack me here, I want to see a good slugfest!
(Yes, I do realize that I'm going against my earlier position here, but I like to play both sides in debates from time to time.)
getak2003

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« Reply #30 on: 04-22-2003 16:51 »

Damn that is so true! Remember when he was going with Amy? She was totally jelous in that whole episode!

also, she really has not solid justification other than the fact that in every show like this the girl always pushes away the one she likes the most for no reason. sure he is stupid, but hey, look at the other low lifes.

he who is without sin cast the first stone.

GHT
Gocad

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« Reply #31 on: 04-22-2003 17:19 »

 
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"Times keep on slipin'". I think this episode explains why Leela and Fry arent together.

Leela: "Fry, look. You're a man and I'm a woman. We're just to different."

There. No more words needed.
getak2003

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« Reply #32 on: 04-22-2003 17:47 »

Now that is when you know you can never be with someone.

aw screw it! go for amy. the cyclops aint worth the trouble.

High standards need not aply to the billionaire sorority slut with just about no standards. they make a cute couple anyway.

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« Reply #33 on: 04-22-2003 17:51 »

My interpretation of the Fry/Leela dynamic is that Leela knows Fry is in love with her, but she does not (yet) feel able to return the feeling. Just because somebody is in love with you does not automatically mean you have to reciprocate. Although we know Fry to be a sweet, honest and all-around nice guy, sometimes this isn't the side which is expressed most fully, especially when he's around Bender.

Leela's lashing out at Fry is probably a result of her childhood; the "tough as nails on the outside but sensitive on the inside" character. It's this personality which causes Leela to lash out at anyone who tries to get close (because she assumes they're trying to take advantage of her, or humiliate her). Couple the two things together and it's easier to see why Leela tends to be harsher than normal towards Fry.
Gocad

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« Reply #34 on: 04-22-2003 17:51 »
« Last Edit on: 04-22-2003 17:51 »

@getak2003:
What was your point again? Seriously, you lost me...


I'm watching you. Yes, YOU!
getak2003

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« Reply #35 on: 04-22-2003 18:51 »

i don't know anymore.............

the topic just seemed to keep changing from one post to the next. please don't post anymore, i have enough to make that part of my fan fiction.

please don't even post to say "oh so that is why you made this." or anything like that. just let it die in peace.........
Venus

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« Reply #36 on: 04-25-2003 14:57 »

ok, i know you said to not post on this thread anymore, but I was on vacation when you started AND ended this thread and I wanted a chance to throw my two cents worth into the ring.

You keep saying Leela doesn't give Fry the time of day, but that is simply not true. In order to 'not give him the time of day' she would have to avoid him, ignore him, and basically do all she can to seperate herself from him. Which she does not do. She's with him a good deal of the time. Whenever the crew goes out, whether it be to the movies, out to eat, blernsball or anywhere she always sits by him. Just because she doesn't think about him in a romantic sense doesn't mean she doesn't regard him as a close, if not her closest friend. So you can't really say she 'doesn't give him the time of day' cause in actuality she gives him  most of her day.


 
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Originally posted by evan:
She cares about him deeply? In TWOF, she makes him clean up Nibbler's crap!

she trusted her beloved pet to her closest friend. What's wrong with that? i ask my friends to watch my cats sometimes does that make me a super-bitch on wheels?
Chump

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« Reply #37 on: 04-25-2003 15:38 »

That is totally different. If she was going on say, a vacation to the sewers, and asked him to watch nibbler, then its nice because it shows she trusts him. Its not so nice to use someone who has feelings for you so you can break his heart with more efficiency.
getak2003

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« Reply #38 on: 04-25-2003 17:11 »

good thinking there chump. i mean did nibbler really have to be taken out that night? not to mention in the resturant, did she really have to, in front of all the patrons, hand him the little bag thing and tell him nibbler may drop a steamer? using someone like that just that one time on the spur of the moment is jsut that ussage, not a symbol of this so called "trust" which if you didnt' realize leela has none for Fry.

you have to watch for the proper crap edicate here. it is the technicallities that make all the difference here.
Marcus
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« Reply #39 on: 04-25-2003 17:21 »

I think it's more likely to be you projecting on Fry and Leela...

Marcus.
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