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MYK

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« on: 12-11-2012 08:02 »

I've noticed some considerable anger and animosity directed at Leela on a few of the threads here. I don't really understand it. Leela's certainly no saint, and she does some quite dislikable things from time to time, but when all is said and done, I think she's still a good-natured, morally sound person who has her heart in the right place. If anything, her faults and failings make her a realistic character.

What's your say?
Onuki

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« Reply #1 on: 12-11-2012 23:08 »
« Last Edit on: 12-11-2012 23:09 »

some of the posts are probably mine. the main reason is the bitch stole my man. i don't like her. when's it gonna sink in she's so stupid what the hell is Fry thinking. she's going to be the end of him, at least that's what they say. she's the one to blame. her hostility & assaults towards the crew are unforgivable. i know her kind of girl. she only cares about one thing: who she's seen or where she's been. who's got money

besides the negative characteristics, she can be kind
Solid Gold Bender

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« Reply #2 on: 12-11-2012 23:15 »

He's not your man. You are at a critically delusional. Go seek help. Fry is a fictional character fabricated for entertainment purposes. Leela was designed to have good chemistry with Fry. Fr doesn't exist though. Also, she was there first. You are crazy, and you're making me go crazy. Watch it, or I'm gonna tell on you!
Onuki

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« Reply #3 on: 12-11-2012 23:42 »

bring it on. you're a waste of time. he's totally my man!! she's like so whatever. he can do so much better. i can do it better. there's no other
MYK

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« Reply #4 on: 12-11-2012 23:48 »

Oh Lord, here we go again.
All I wanted to do was call attention to a trend I'd noticed and it's turning into this again.

Unmentionable, I'll be very frank with you-man to man. It's not my place to judge your crush on Fry. There's nothing wrong with taking a harmless liking to a character for his looks, personality, or any other qualities he or she may possess. Lord knows that plenty of people here are very openly attracted to Leela. Hey, what the heck, she's cute, stands up for herself, is self-reliant, and resolute. Nothin' wrong with any of that.

But getting excessively emotionally invested in this show, to the point that you're angry at one fictional character for "stealing" another fictional character from you, is not wise or productive, and it will take a negative toll on you emotionally. Going through life with that mindset will not help you much.

Disliking Leela is not a bad thing, but acting as if she took something from you when neither she nor Fry exists physically is not worth your time or thoughts. You're more than that. We all are.


My advice to you is to just try to not let something trivial like this bother you. At the end of the day it's just a cartoon. Hope this didn't come across the wrong way.
El-Man

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« Reply #5 on: 12-11-2012 23:50 »

SGB, you are aware that either:

a) Unmentionable is happy in his own opinion (or delusion, call it what you like), and you're not about to change it

or

b) He's trolling you to Mars and back, which you're eagerly leaping at.

So, shall we get back OT?
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #6 on: 12-11-2012 23:51 »

I think it's the opposite.

People seem to be tolerating Leela much more this season as opposed the last year's.
MYK

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« Reply #7 on: 12-12-2012 00:00 »

I attribute that to a lack of direction in the relationship between Fry and Leela in Season 6, as compared to a more concrete portrayal in season 7. Seasons 1 through 4, and the movies, were dominated by Fry trying to court Leela. Season 6 it was a bit hard to tell where they were, and season 7 they're a committed couple.

In addition to Leela being more cold and callous in season 6 than in previous/future seasons, I think Fry had similar faults. He seemed outright stupid as compared to just absent-minded and oblivious, and he was more whiny and dramatic.
Solid Gold Bender

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« Reply #8 on: 12-12-2012 00:00 »

I tried to give him a shot as long as he didn't fire down all other possibilities. He didn't need to accept them, but be aware that people are happy with their own choices. He however, went the other way. hmpf
Onuki

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« Reply #9 on: 12-12-2012 00:09 »

^ i understand that but people are telling me what i'm saying is impossible. how is that justified?

a) Unmentionable is happy in his own opinion and you're not about to change it

that

Oh Lord, here we go again.
All I wanted to do was call attention to a trend I'd noticed and it's turning into this again.

Unmentionable, I'll be very frank with you-man to man. It's not my place to judge your crush on Fry. There's nothing wrong with taking a harmless liking to a character for his looks, personality, or any other qualities he or she may possess. Lord knows that plenty of people here are very openly attracted to Leela. Hey, what the heck, she's cute, stands up for herself, is self-reliant, and resolute. Nothin' wrong with any of that.

But getting excessively emotionally invested in this show, to the point that you're angry at one fictional character for "stealing" another fictional character from you, is not wise or productive, and it will take a negative toll on you emotionally. Going through life with that mindset will not help you much.

Disliking Leela is not a bad thing, but acting as if she took something from you when neither she nor Fry exists physically is not worth your time or thoughts. You're more than that. We all are.

My advice to you is to just try to not let something trivial like this bother you. At the end of the day it's just a cartoon. Hope this didn't come across the wrong way.

there's some things we can't change so i just let go but i can't just let nature take its course. i'm fighting for what's right. yes it's a cartoon so i should just focus on my story
Solid Gold Bender

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« Reply #10 on: 12-12-2012 00:18 »

Fine then, touche. Just ignore them, that's what I do when teachers yell at me.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #11 on: 12-12-2012 00:20 »

MYK, very good remarks, I must say.

I do not and never have hated or disliked Leela. In fact, I find her to be a very sympathetic character, and for me, she's probably the most emotionally complex and fleshed-out character in the show. Maybe even more so than Fry. And I say that from a character development and personality perspective. Am I being sexist when I say that men tend to be simpler than women? And that is a good quality--nothing wrong with that.

Anyway, before I derail this discussion with a breakdown of the differences between men and women...I'm really  not sure why a lot of PEELers rip on Leela. So it took her some time to make up her mind about Fry. So what? This seems to be completely consistent with reality. I mean, I would really hesitate to date a man if he were less intelligent than me. And I don't mean in the same way as me--I think I have good problem-solving skills and am knowledgeable about things like literature, culture, etc. But when it comes to history, politics, and solving mechanical problems, that is completely my husband's forte.

I think it's a nice character arc, for her to realize that Fry possesses traits that she was blind to before, even if he isn't a hotshot assistant to the mayor or a badass holophoner player. The fact that it took her so long made it even sweeter for me.
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #12 on: 12-12-2012 00:38 »

bring it on. you're a waste of time. he's totally my man!! she's like so whatever. he can do so much better. i can do it better. there's no other
I didn't know you wrote for Avril Lavigne.

But anyway, I can understand why some dislike Leela, but I've never felt it. As UL said, in season 7 she was written much better in my opinion, being naggy but not pushy and overall much more likable than season 6.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #13 on: 12-12-2012 00:49 »

I'm really  not sure why a lot of PEELers rip on Leela. So it took her some time to make up her mind about Fry. So what?

Her relationship with Fry is also a "so what" for me.
My strong dislike for Leela is based her being designed with too many PC conceptions in mind.
Onuki

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« Reply #14 on: 12-12-2012 01:01 »

I didn't know you wrote for Avril Lavigne.

But anyway, I can understand why some dislike Leela, but I've never felt it. As UL said, in season 7 she was written much better in my opinion, being naggy but not pushy and overall much more likable than season 6.

lol yeah i'm quoting her.

because Leela's a person i really hate, she's important. i need her to protect Fry since i'm not allowed to. since the Futurama staff isn't gonna let me have him, things are gonna get ugly
winna

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« Reply #15 on: 12-12-2012 01:10 »

Things may turn out well in the end.  Keep hoping for the best my friend.
Onuki

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« Reply #16 on: 12-12-2012 01:37 »

i will. that's why i'm not afraid of crying now. i know things work out & even when life gets me down, i can still have fun
My Manwich

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« Reply #17 on: 12-12-2012 02:21 »

I didn't know you wrote for Avril Lavigne.

But anyway, I can understand why some dislike Leela, but I've never felt it. As UL said, in season 7 she was written much better in my opinion, being naggy but not pushy and overall much more likable than season 6.

lol yeah i'm quoting her.

because Leela's a person i really hate, she's important. i need her to protect Fry since i'm not allowed to. since the Futurama staff isn't gonna let me have him, things are gonna get ugly

If I was part of the staff I would be a little concerned that Unmentionable might show up somewhere, maybe Comic-Con, with a gun. 

Since he has lost his grasp with reality and is now making threats.
Onuki

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« Reply #18 on: 12-12-2012 02:27 »

i wouldn't bring a gun. i'm not that evil. i haven't lost my grasp with reality
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #19 on: 12-12-2012 03:05 »

i haven't lost my grasp with reality

Bullshit.
Onuki

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« Reply #20 on: 12-12-2012 03:43 »

i don't really care what you think of me 'cuz either way you're going to think what you believe. there's nothing you could say that would hurt me
winna

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« Reply #21 on: 12-12-2012 04:40 »

That's right Unmentionable, be strong!  Don't let anyone else tell you that you're inferior because you're different!
DannyJC13

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« Reply #22 on: 12-12-2012 17:52 »

i haven't lost my grasp with reality

This is just. Oh my God. laff The irony.

there's nothing you could say that would hurt me

I don't think you process life properly anyway...
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #23 on: 12-12-2012 18:28 »
« Last Edit on: 12-12-2012 19:58 »

I attribute that to a lack of direction in the relationship between Fry and Leela in Season 6, as compared to a more concrete portrayal in season 7.

In addition to Leela being more cold and callous in season 6 than in previous/future seasons, I think Fry had similar faults. He seemed outright stupid as compared to just absent-minded and oblivious, and he was more whiny and dramatic.

I think a mere "lack of direction" would even have worked. The "a woman does not know what she wants" arc is neither new, nor groundbreaking. It neither is eligible to make the character appear likeable. Yet, there ARE people in this world not knowing what they really want/crave, so there is nothing wrong with an on/off concept.

Yet, in season 6, Leela didn't appear like a "woman who does not know what she really wants" to me. She seemed rather like some remote controlled charcter, whose controllers/writers didn't know what to do with the character.

You are right about "whiny Fry". The early character was often the emotionally toughest (even if it was sometimes based on him not really getting what was/is going on). Random acts of sadness were often rather Leelas thing (she had more than 25 years to get accustomed to being the only one of her supposed species, yet this could still cause spontaneous outbreaks, e.g, in the Christmas episode).

Fry getting extremely sad usually had a graver background, often based on personal loss (e.g. supposedly losing Seymore in the lava, one of the precious few things from his past). It gave those outbreaks a meaning, some "Okay..that one was definitely one to much" aspect.

There is a difference between a sensible character and a whiny loser.
About the same way there is a difference between a simple, naive character and a complete moron.

MYK

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« Reply #24 on: 12-12-2012 18:49 »

You hit it right on the head, Inquisitor Hein!

I don't think the writers were ready to put Fry and Leela together in season 6, but they were too far along in the storyline to keep the old status quo of Fry courting Leela, because Leela admits her feelings for Fry at the end of Into the Wild Green Yonder.

The result was that they ended up in a weird, quasi-relationship that wasn't really resolved until the end of Overclockwise when they read through Bender's little write-up and look at each other all googly-eyed.

It makes sense that they would be in an ambiguous semi-relationship in season 6, but that's difficult to portray, and season 6 stumbled a few times because of it.
Onuki

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« Reply #25 on: 12-12-2012 20:17 »
« Last Edit on: 12-12-2012 20:25 »

This is just. Oh my God. laff The irony.

I don't think you process life properly anyway...

you obviously have no better to do with yourself. you're so fucking lame
El-Man

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« Reply #26 on: 12-12-2012 22:49 »

Dear Danny, SGB, and Unmentionable:

Please cease this pointless arguing. It has contaminated several threads on PEEL now, and I'm getting tired of it, as are no doubt, many other PEELers.

I don't care who started it, or how you feel about each other. Let it go before one of the mods joins in, wielding the Fearsome Banstick.

Let us accept that we are all Futurama fans, who enjoy the show for our own reasons.

Kind regards,
El-Man.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #27 on: 12-12-2012 22:57 »

Thank you, El-Man.

Please, you three: it's getting old.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #28 on: 12-12-2012 23:03 »

@El-Man>Signed.
Tachyon

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« Reply #29 on: 12-12-2012 23:16 »


Ditto, El-Man!

Let us accept that we are all Futurama fans, who enjoy the show for our own reasons.

No matter how weird, dark, or depraved they are...

DannyJC13

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« Reply #30 on: 12-12-2012 23:37 »

Let us accept that we are all Futurama fans,

But he isn't. He hates Futurama and the people that make it. He is obsessed over an imaginary character and believes they have souls.
Solid Gold Bender

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« Reply #31 on: 12-12-2012 23:37 »

Leela has 2 boobs. Leela is hot. Hum-bugagagaga.
Onuki

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« Reply #32 on: 12-12-2012 23:49 »

But he isn't. He hates Futurama and the people that make it. He is obsessed over an imaginary character and believes they have souls.

you don't deserve to be into Futurama

Dear Danny, SGB, and Unmentionable:

Please cease this pointless arguing. It has contaminated several threads on PEEL now, and I'm getting tired of it, as are no doubt, many other PEELers.

I don't care who started it, or how you feel about each other. Let it go before one of the mods joins in, wielding the Fearsome Banstick.

Let us accept that we are all Futurama fans, who enjoy the show for our own reasons.

Kind regards,
El-Man.

alright
Mr Snrub

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« Reply #33 on: 12-13-2012 00:55 »

How about instead of banning them all, we send them to a forum where only the three of them can post, and they have to keep posting until they resolve their differences?
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #34 on: 12-13-2012 05:43 »

Love how you say 'alright' but not without getting in the last word. Just chill guys, do what I do and abandon thread, or at least the conversation in the thread. You keep on like this and you will probably end up being banned. I totally second El-mans letter.

Leela's certainly no saint, and she does some quite dislikable things from time to time, but when all is said and done, I think she's still a good-natured, morally sound person who has her heart in the right place. If anything, her faults and failings make her a realistic character.
I think you've summed up Leela pretty well.
TheMadCapper

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« Reply #35 on: 12-14-2012 15:28 »

How about instead of banning them all, we send them to a forum where only the three of them can post, and they have to keep posting until they resolve their differences?

We have that. It's called the Thunderdome.

Not joking.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #36 on: 12-14-2012 19:29 »
« Last Edit on: 12-14-2012 19:32 »

you don't deserve to be into Futurama

I've been a supportive fan for over 4 years now, and I actually LIKE the show. Not even like, LOVE it. I still love the new episodes just as much as the old. I don't have creepy, insane obsessions that the characters are real and love me. Don't you fucking tell me what I deserve you piece of scum.

*edit*

Really guys I hate to clog up so many threads with this shit, but troll or not, Unmentionable needs to piss off. Why should we get the ban? He's the one stirring shit. He's the one pissing us all off and causing these posts. As I said, troll or not, it's fucking annoying.
Onuki

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« Reply #37 on: 12-14-2012 21:03 »
« Last Edit on: 12-14-2012 21:12 »

your post just shows how ignorant you are. i already stopped arguing but you're still pushing. people like you are getting mad at my posts 'cause they're not what you think
DannyJC13

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« Reply #38 on: 12-14-2012 22:07 »

'cause they're not what you think

They're anything but logical.
HIGHasFRY

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« Reply #39 on: 12-14-2012 22:09 »
« Last Edit on: 12-14-2012 22:11 »

You are both coaxing each other into this argument with someone you barely know and over what a TV show.  We all love the show that's why we are all on this forum.   But a few choice names need to shut the fuck up and live and let live. GODDAM!

Anyway leela seemed to be not so much callus but detached emotionally, to everyone... no?
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