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totalnerd undercanada

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« Reply #80 on: 08-18-2012 18:01 »

I should read the WikiPEELia more often - I thought we'd lost Shiny forever - she's Frida Waterfall, hooray!

They're not the same person, AFAIK. Just similar tastes and opinions.
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« Reply #81 on: 08-18-2012 18:10 »

Not exactly the same tastes and opinions, but an equally astonishing ability to elucidate and communicate with their readers. Frida sort of took over Shiny's place in that regard.
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« Reply #82 on: 08-19-2012 00:12 »

I love the "Not now, Leela!" gag. I don't think Fry rejects Leela in these situations because he wants to pay her back for turning him down so often in the past though. I think he honestly just misses it, which makes the joke even funnier. Especially when you factor in the extremely non-erotic reasons he rebuffs her. ("I'm trying to listen to a physics lecture!" "I'm trying to meet old people!") Fry isn't the smartest cookie in the bag, and he has shown some pretty ADD tendencies in the past - I think he's just focusing so hard on the one thing in those situations that he doesn't really hear Leela, and shushes her without thinking. He probably wakes up in the middle of the night and kicks himself over it.   roll eyes

(Or wakes Leela up, only for her to say "Not now Fry!"  laff )

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« Reply #83 on: 08-19-2012 01:38 »

I don't think it's so much Fry dismissing Leela's advances, so much as Leela's advances having interruptions in general. In AFTA, Fry happily reciprocates, but they are interrupted by Amy. In TBE, Amy gets in the way once again. In TSMDM, while the circumstance obviously has sexual suggestions, the combination of Leela's factual tone and the fact that it's been established that the crew all shower together anyway sort of negate that. In FWH, I think Fry and Leela have aleady had sex at that point, and Leela's comment is not an actual come-on, just a comforting remark. But in NDW, yes, as it seems to have been christened here on PEEL, Leela's lady boner does get slapped down by Fry. But what else could he have done, besides be a bit less cold? They were on a mission, after all.
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« Reply #84 on: 08-19-2012 04:19 »

I should read the WikiPEELia more often - I thought we'd lost Shiny forever - she's Frida Waterfall, hooray!

They're not the same person, AFAIK. Just similar tastes and opinions.
Oh, well I misinterpreted that then x]


Read through most of the old shippy threads, mmm nostalgia.

Also Xanfor, what happened to your shippy pic and quotes of the week?

Speaking of which...

First 'shippy' moment, interrupted.


Latest 'shippy' moment interruption:


The ship's come a long way!
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« Reply #85 on: 08-19-2012 08:18 »

Bender: Cockblocker since episode one.
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« Reply #86 on: 08-19-2012 08:59 »

But thank god, Bender said "I just wanted to be part of the moment" only in the first pic.
In the last, that phrase would have come out all wrong....
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« Reply #87 on: 08-19-2012 09:11 »

...or all right.
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« Reply #88 on: 08-20-2012 16:31 »

But thank god, Bender said "I just wanted to be part of the moment" only in the first pic.
In the last, that phrase would have come out all wrong....
...or all right.
... sometimes you guys concern me.  roll eyes

I remember reading one of the old shippy threads a comment on that first pic "Bender doing a Zoidberg before Zoidberg could do a Zoidberg."

But Zoidberg "got lost" when he was told to get lost (he was never told in LaR), Bender flat out refused. So perhaps Spacedals "observation" is more relevant than pinning the act of interruption on Zoidberg.

No notable shippy for the upcoming episodes, but who knows, they might throw a random moment in - they haven't disappointed thus far.

Also there's an article on the infosphere: "Fry-Leela relationship"
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« Reply #89 on: 08-20-2012 16:45 »

It's official, I'll never look at the chicken dance the same way again.


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« Reply #90 on: 08-21-2012 03:46 »


The ship's come a long way!

Good observation and a great way to put it.  The two pictures side by side speak volumes.  Does having taken so long to get from point A to point B make their current relationship any more satisfying? 
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« Reply #91 on: 08-23-2012 04:19 »

Absolutely!

Close to the 'A' was more teasing us with the idea of Fry/Leela and Fry developing feelings. It was frustrating that 9 times out of ten Leela wasn't returning those feelings, and when she did, it was abandoned the moment it happened. It was downright frustrating, but I realise now necessary to build the foundation for the close relationship they have now.

The 'B' we've reached is showing definate steps to what seems to be a concrete relationship. It throws in little satisfying moments, and it's great when they surprise us with them.There still is frustrations (Fry slapping down Leelas "lady-boner", Amy stopping the end of the world sex), but they're not the same as in the beginning - Fry puts off Leela when Leela's making advances at the wrong time (also, it's funny!), and it doesn't matter that there's interruptions as it's not going to displace the solid relationship they've got. Even the events at the beginning of Fun on a Bun was temporary, I think Leela "dumped" Fry just as an empty threat to see what he would do. Doubt she meant it to be permanent, particularly later when she said 'I dumped my boyfriend and ate him' - the fact she still refers to him as her boyfriend and not 'ex-boyfriend' hold great meaning.

Also I'm very glad she didn't tack "and he was delicious/tasty" onto the end.

Random shippy pic for your enjoyment:
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« Reply #92 on: 08-23-2012 10:40 »
« Last Edit on: 08-23-2012 19:30 »

There still is frustrations (Fry slapping down Leelas "lady-boner", Amy stopping the end of the world sex), but they're not the same as in the beginning - Fry puts off Leela when Leela's making advances at the wrong time (also, it's funny!), and it doesn't matter that there's interruptions as it's not going to displace the solid relationship they've got. Even the events at the beginning of Fun on a Bun was temporary, I think Leela "dumped" Fry just as an empty threat to see what he would do. Doubt she meant it to be permanent, particularly later when she said 'I dumped my boyfriend and ate him' - the fact she still refers to him as her boyfriend and not 'ex-boyfriend' hold great meaning.


I think the "Fry turning down Leela" also leans towards Fry refusing to be the Universe's biggest doormat. After all the times he chased after Leela, it would look rather pathetic should he come rushing as soon as she snaps her fingers.
Of course not as a deliberate, ill-meant revenge on Fry's side. Also, it seems that this "non always available whenever Miss is in the mood" attitude bears some undertones of being a turn-on for Leela, stiring her interest even more.
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« Reply #93 on: 08-23-2012 21:33 »

All of what Spacedal said. He's of average build and attractiveness, but his heart and romanticism severely makes up for that appearance, rendering him desirable to many people, thus proving one does not need to be a super model guy or gal to be amazing overall. Besides that, despite shopping around in the past, Fry has clearly been set only on Leela for long-term. He's an honest, loyal, dependable guy who wouldn't run around home wrecking because he got bored. I feel like all of his other relationships were more or less an attempt to fill the space Leela was taking in his heart, and it just wasn't cutting it. Plus, I don't know about you, but if I knew a guy that had spiky red hair I'd find that pretty alluring... Especially if they could get it as ridiculous as Fry's. Real life hair is hard to do!
So late to the party, but red hair is hot. My husband was the first redhead I ever saw and I had such a crush on him in elementary school. When we met back up more than a decade later it had only gotten sexier over time. Anyway, now I wish we had cable because it's going to be an awfully long wait 'til this comes out on DVD in December! Argh.
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« Reply #94 on: 08-26-2012 04:20 »

You know, I think I can honestly say I've not seen a redheaded guy in real life. If I have he's been on my TV/computer screen or a guy I've forgotten because I don't have a photographic memory dammit! Since I don't count TV/movies/internet, real life has not granted me the rare sighting of the elusive ginger. However, I've seen several red-headed women. There was one in a mattress store and her hair was gorgeous. I couldn't help but stare at it, wishing my locks were so silky and vibrant. But that's off-topic! The wait will be worth it, Eggs. Hang in there! Or go buy the episodes on iTunes? Or search for a free stream on a legal site? Shoot, for all I know, CC could have a few episodes posted up for viewing. Lotta channels do that nowadays.

@TLF: I noticed that part of Leela's tank top isn't colored in in that picture... and that worries me that I found such an unimportant detail in a rather shippy picture.
Fry's expression makes me want to laugh. It's so serious and devious and maybe.

I think Hein the nail on the head once again. Even if Fry isn't acutely aware of what he's doing, it's entirely possible that it just "feels right" to make Leela want him for a change, making her wait like he's done for years. A sort of sub-conscious thing that drives him. Besides that, if he simply came to Leela at her beck and call, maybe he's afraid that it would make the relationship sorta... stale. If you had someone doing everything for you at your whim at any time, would that not be dull? Playing the waiting game makes something more desirable, more coveted. It also keeps things more interesting.
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« Reply #95 on: 08-26-2012 05:01 »

 eek

How could I have not seen that? Colour error! Damn.

Deviousness. Well he did just slyly hint at being marriage material.

What I find funny about this scene is Frys 'I am?!' after Leela tells him he's right about Zapp and Munda (turns out he was wrong in the end, but who cares).

We definitely don't want this ship to go stale, or sink. I like that door-mat analogy, Hein,  perhaps there should be an episode dedicated to that concept... starring Kif - honestly if there were ever a doormat >< Amy needs to show some respect!
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« Reply #96 on: 08-26-2012 13:17 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2012 16:30 »

Kif was imhO subject to extreme Flanderisation.

Early Kif was just sarcastic and frustrated, because he could not stand his ground against Zapp's overblown ego. Which was not rally a sign of weakness, because NO ONE in the Futurama universe stands a chance against Zapp's ego.

When he met early Amy, she was just the nice, in no way dominant girl, who certainly would not put him under the thumb. That's why these two worked together.

Yet,  later on, Kif just turned into a whimp and P*ssy. And season 7 brought up the gravest mistake, by the writers trying to turn Amy into a secondary backup Leela. Which -in combination with the pussified Kif- lead to such not really necessary "highlights" as seen in "The Butterkunk effect".

So, I would prefer:
- Get back to early Amy.
- Get back to frustrated Kif, but Kif just being frustrated by Zapp alone.
then the Amy/Kif relationship will work again.

Edith says:
The sarcastic Kif in "Fun on a Bun" captured the original demeanour again. He eyed the sabretooth cat sceptically, but did not even run away from it. Stood by and gave his comment. Though it would have been great seeing Kif watching Zapp getting mauled a bit longer. And then, have an evil, yet happy smirk appear on Kif's face big grin
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« Reply #97 on: 08-26-2012 17:47 »

Hmmm...I saw a nicelooking redheaded guy while on vacation. He was pale but very muscular. But you're right, Zoidy, redheaded women seem to be more common creatures. Could this phenomenon be due to the Loreal or Miss Clairol bottle effect? Maybe AllEggs can post a pic of her DH. smile

Hein, I was never crazy about the Kif/Amy pairing. They have no chemistry to me, and you're right, it's frustrating how much of a wuss Kif has been reduced to. It's like the writers were like, "Let's have a slutty character do the Captain Kirk thing and get with a green alien!" just for the novelty of it. Their relationship never seemed natural to me.
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« Reply #98 on: 08-26-2012 18:08 »

i always thought it had no point and added nothing good to the show.
especially the ending of proposition infinity
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« Reply #99 on: 08-26-2012 18:18 »
« Last Edit on: 08-26-2012 18:20 »

Wrong thread.
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« Reply #100 on: 08-27-2012 01:08 »

Also, it seems that this "non always available whenever Miss is in the mood" attitude bears some undertones of being a turn-on for Leela, stiring her interest even more.

I agree. Leela wouldn't want a doormat. Unlike Amy, apparently. I mean, we saw how Leela reacted to Kif in "Brannigan Begin Again" -- she hated that he was clingy and idolizing and such. And can you imagine Leela talking to Fry using the same voice Amy uses when referring to her "Kiffy-wiffy"? Hell no.

Fry's definitely enjoying Leela wanting him, as he should be. Took her long enough.
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« Reply #101 on: 08-27-2012 03:09 »
« Last Edit on: 08-27-2012 03:11 »

Hmmm...I saw a nicelooking redheaded guy while on vacation. He was pale but very muscular. But you're right, Zoidy, redheaded women seem to be more common creatures. Could this phenomenon be due to the Loreal or Miss Clairol bottle effect? Maybe AllEggs can post a pic of her DH. smile

Hein, I was never crazy about the Kif/Amy pairing. They have no chemistry to me, and you're right, it's frustrating how much of a wuss Kif has been reduced to. It's like the writers were like, "Let's have a slutty character do the Captain Kirk thing and get with a green alien!" just for the novelty of it. Their relationship never seemed natural to me.
Perhaps. I'm so pale you'd think I was a redhead. I even have a twinge of it in my hair, but it's solidly, decidedly, plain old brown unless the light hits is just right.

As for Amy/Kif... Their relationship has always been rather one-dimensional. Their whole relationship is more or less based upon the fact that Amy's parents wanted her to date certain guys (like Zapp) and instead she chose Kif, an alien, which the Wongs expressed dislike towards initially. Kinda one of those "I do what I want!" moments.

Lastly, about Leela not wanting a doormat boyfriend: I think it goes back to her childhood. She had to be tough and make her own way. That took a lot of stuff. She didn't like being walked all over, so she decided to take charge and not allow that to happen. To her it's a big sign of weakness. Or something like that anyways.
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« Reply #102 on: 08-27-2012 14:12 »

Maybe AllEggs can post a pic of her DH. smile
I did over in the Off-topic pictures of folks thread. I'm biased, of course, and think his hair is awesome.
Flanderisation...that's an interesting concept. I think you could put Kif in a 1950s poodle skirt and he'd happily marry the high-school QB. He's pretty giddy and was over the moon about being pregnant all those many seasons ago, so maybe he's the stand-in for a stereotypical obliging housewife since none of the female characters fit the bill.
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« Reply #103 on: 08-29-2012 02:05 »

Considering he has the ability to have kids, it's a possibility. But really, it can be considered a play on the stereotypical TV woman/teen girl from any decade. Comedies today still portray women as overly excited and optimistic and junk about having kids, ultimately becoming super scared right before they pop their children out. They also still portray high school romances about the same as they did in the 1950s... Oh America, love doesn't work that way!


Off-topic: Funny how today I actually saw a male ginger in public. It was like spotting a sloppily-groomed unicorn with a beard.
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« Reply #104 on: 08-29-2012 05:38 »

We just hired a scrawny little ginger at the grocery store where I work; needless to say, when I noticed his fiery locks, I was immediately reminded of this thread.

Anyway, topic:

I think you could put Kif in a 1950s poodle skirt and he'd happily marry the high-school QB. He's pretty giddy and was over the moon about being pregnant all those many seasons ago, so maybe he's the stand-in for a stereotypical obliging housewife since none of the female characters fit the bill.

You make an interesting point, and I'm inclined to agree with you there. Despite his efforts to eschew such mannerisms in "Where the Buggalo Roam," Kif's definitely a bit of a wuss. But that's kind of charming, in its own way, and I think part of the reason he and Amy work so well together is because she so clearly appreciates Kif's sensitivity. Amy is a self-proclaimed tomboy (I'm thinking of her admission to Fry about dressing like she's doing her laundry in "Put Your Head on My Shoulder"), and Kif's a bit of a sissy--but those subverted gender roles totally work, I think.

It's also worth noting that Fry and Leela's relationship is a milder version of the traditional masculine and feminine traits being swapped. Part of what makes the aforementioned "Not now, Leela!" remarks so much fun is that they make Fry seem a lot manlier and in-control than perhaps he's been in the past. And that's cool to see--and definitely indicative of some kind of character/relationship growth, as others have said.
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« Reply #105 on: 08-29-2012 05:58 »

Is anyone else wondering if in tomorrow's episode "Naturama" we might get to see potential Fry and Leela spawn (ala fish or birds)?
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« Reply #106 on: 08-29-2012 07:11 »

Is anyone else wondering if in tomorrow's episode "Naturama" we might get to see potential Fry and Leela spawn (ala fish or birds)?

Yes! That is probably the primary reason I am most excited for "Naturama"!

I would like to imagine we'll see Salmon Fry and Salmon Leela's offspring, colloquially called "salmon fry", hatching/budding from eggs and swimming off like Kif's tadpoles, but I have a feeling/fear that the episode will end similar to "Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?" with Salmon Fry and Salmon Leela's sexually satisfied rotting corpses floating down the stream...
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« Reply #107 on: 08-29-2012 07:21 »

Is anyone else wondering if in tomorrow's episode "Naturama" we might get to see potential Fry and Leela spawn (ala fish or birds)?
...I have a feeling/fear that the episode will end similar to "Why Must I Be a Crustacean in Love?" with Salmon Fry and Salmon Leela's sexually satisfied rotting corpses floating down the stream...
Second.
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« Reply #108 on: 08-29-2012 07:26 »

Is anybody else getting sick of waiting for Fry and Amy to get back together?
The whole Leela diversion is getting overdone now. I think it's time for Ms. Wong to take back her man.
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« Reply #109 on: 08-29-2012 07:34 »

Is anybody else getting sick of waiting for Fry and Amy to get back together?
The whole Leela diversion is getting overdone now. I think it's time for Ms. Wong to take back her man.

Oh, you jokester! Weren't you once heading the Fry and Leela shipping front?
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« Reply #110 on: 08-29-2012 07:40 »

That was before I was actually IN a relationship.

...I didn't know! ...OH GOD, I DIDN'T KNOW!!!!
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« Reply #111 on: 08-29-2012 07:48 »
« Last Edit on: 08-29-2012 07:50 »

Also, it seems that this "non always available whenever Miss is in the mood" attitude bears some undertones of being a turn-on for Leela, stiring her interest even more.

I agree. Leela wouldn't want a doormat. Unlike Amy, apparently. I mean, we saw how Leela reacted to Kif in "Brannigan Begin Again" -- she hated that he was clingy and idolizing and such. And can you imagine Leela talking to Fry using the same voice Amy uses when referring to her "Kiffy-wiffy"? Hell no.


The funny/sad thing is:
The initial setting was just the opposite:
Kif was "under the thumb" in Zapp Branigans presence, but in Zapps presence alone.
When he first met Amy, he seemed to "man up":
Captain Rank, carrying her to safety (though only a few meters), etc... .
It seemd to work as Amy by that time was not really a very dominant person, not someone to put Kif down.
Do we need Amy to play Kif's Zapp in private life? I think not....

The error was imhO by assuming that the Kif/Amy relationship (because of Amy being a main character and Kif a supporting one) was/is Amy driven.
Which it is imhO not:
Amy had several boyfriends before. So even with Kif being a rather long term relation/not a one night stand, he doesn't add too much to Amy. But Amy giving Kif a reason to man up (e.g. where the Buegalos roam) is imhO rather a plot driver than e.g. in Butterjunk effect.
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« Reply #112 on: 08-30-2012 12:49 »

All redheads are different. Fry, Ron weasly. Not so alike....anyway,in natural a bender salmon and Amy salmon mate. I'd like to see bender and Amy get back together...for good!
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« Reply #113 on: 08-30-2012 18:00 »

Anybody else realize Fry and Leela holding each other while the hunt-master was ready to shoot Bender?  flirt

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« Reply #114 on: 08-31-2012 01:28 »

Anybody else realize Fry and Leela holding each other while the hunt-master was ready to shoot Bender?  flirt

(Yeah, we don't need to show that framegrab again.)

Yes, first time watching. They were both very grabby touchy-feely in that episode, despite the fact that their relationship was not mentioned or reference in dialogue. That's how their relationship should be if they were to get engaged or married. Subtle background body language without blatantly screaming and promoting their relationship like PDA. Their love can be understated like such, and if they were to keep like such (seen not heard), then shippers can be somewhat satisfied (though we would like a bone thrown to us every season). I think all fans of Futurama can be happy with such an arrangement.

In short, it's basically the same thing I've been saying about the relationship before. For most episodes, keep it out there, but in the distance. It has been handled very well this recent broadcast season, and I would be pleased if it were to continue in this progressive direction.
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« Reply #115 on: 08-31-2012 02:29 »

I thought it was cute how fish-Amy and fish-Bender were together. big grin
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« Reply #116 on: 08-31-2012 09:26 »

Leela perhaps a little too grabby:

Would have been nicer to perhaps grab him by the hand! Although if Fry minded he would have shrugged her off like he did in NDW

Is it just me or is Leela watching Fry closely in this scene:

And then mirroring his movements and attitude and change in attitude.



[/reading waaaay to much into it]
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« Reply #117 on: 08-31-2012 15:40 »

Very good observation, TLF. Body language mirroring, I know I've read somewhere, is a way for people to show affinity and align with each other.

An elbow grab is one of my least favorite ways to be touched. It's very...I dunno, aggressive. Not very romantic, but I forget in what context that she did that. I need to rewatch this episode.
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« Reply #118 on: 08-31-2012 20:58 »
« Last Edit on: 08-31-2012 22:46 »

The following comment will probably make me rather unpopular with some ladies wink

Wasn't the last picture the scene in which Fry and Leela asked about getting ice cream on the way there/back?
I think the body language mirroring was not so much relationship based. But rather the typical posture of kids trying to show demonstratively good behaviour (in that case: To get the ice cream). Would fit the episode's gag sequence of childish Fry and Leela, with  Bender basically having to babysit them. ("...it's close to bedtime", etc...).
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« Reply #119 on: 08-31-2012 21:40 »

You're completely right, Hein, it is childish. But people are saying that Fry's mannerism's are rubbing off on Leela, perhaps inadvertantly, but it's happening. I don't think Leela did it because she loves Fry and wants to emulate him. It just happens when you hang around Fry for a long time.
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