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sparkybarky

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« Reply #40 on: 08-10-2012 23:37 »

Tachyon, I do agree that it's pointless to debate whether they had sex or not. Clearly they were intimate somehow, and whether that involved the traditional sense of intercourse seems besides the point. Even if they were just cuddling, the scene still conveyed a strong carnal element to their attraction to each other, which hitherto has been frustratingly missing ever since ItWGY established that they were indeed a couple.
Inquisitor Hein
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« Reply #41 on: 08-11-2012 00:04 »

Tachyon, I do agree that it's pointless to debate whether they had sex or not. Clearly they were intimate somehow, and whether that involved the traditional sense of intercourse seems besides the point. Even if they were just cuddling,

- Leela is naked
- Leela is lying in the same bed as Fry
- Fry leaves her alone.

One of those points does not really get along too well with the others.. big grin tongue
sparkybarky

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« Reply #42 on: 08-11-2012 00:52 »

Well, it makes sense for Fry to leave her alone if he's, uh, satiated.  tongue My husband practically forgets I'm lying there after he gets what he needs from me. (Nah, not really--he's a good husband.)

And this pattern of Fry ignoring Leela when she's horny for him seems to be a running gag since last season. Like little passive-agressive digs that the show is making towards Leela, on behalf of all jilted nerds and Leela haters, for all her wishy-washiness towards the relationship. Not that I haven't found them funny ("Psst, hey, Fry--" "Leela, no means no!" Hilarious exchange)

pumpkinpie

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« Reply #43 on: 08-11-2012 01:52 »

Ok, so it's been settled? Leela had sex hair, sex face and sex voice. That proves it.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #44 on: 08-11-2012 01:58 »

pumpkinpie, I am slightly afraid of what the authorities would think of us talking about whether two imaginary people had sex, with a 13-year old in the mix.  eek

I am naive, and am not trying to be an old granny, but teenagers should not know what sex hair looks like!
pumpkinpie

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« Reply #45 on: 08-11-2012 02:03 »

.......I go to public school.
Just Fan
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« Reply #46 on: 08-11-2012 03:04 »

I am naive, and am not trying to be an old granny, but teenagers should not know what sex hair looks like!
Sex voice/sex face is OK for teenagers then... big grin
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« Reply #47 on: 08-11-2012 03:39 »

Well, it makes sense for Fry to leave her alone if he's, uh, satiated.  tongue My husband practically forgets I'm lying there after he gets what he needs from me. (Nah, not really--he's a good husband.)

And this pattern of Fry ignoring Leela when she's horny for him seems to be a running gag since last season. Like little passive-agressive digs that the show is making towards Leela, on behalf of all jilted nerds and Leela haters, for all her wishy-washiness towards the relationship. Not that I haven't found them funny ("Psst, hey, Fry--" "Leela, no means no!" Hilarious exchange)



Agreed.  It's funny to see Leela's lady boner get slapped down.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #48 on: 08-11-2012 05:57 »

I am naive, and am not trying to be an old granny, but teenagers should not know what sex hair looks like!
Sex voice/sex face is OK for teenagers then... big grin
No, no, no! Abstain, at least until you are 18 and you aren't a neurotic headcase. Trust me, having sex too early kind of warps you. Enjoy just being an innocent kid, no matter what Miss Squishy/Mr. Peppy is screaming at you to do!
Just Fan
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« Reply #49 on: 08-11-2012 06:31 »

I am naive, and am not trying to be an old granny, but teenagers should not know what sex hair looks like!
Sex voice/sex face is OK for teenagers then... big grin
No, no, no! Abstain, at least until you are 18 and you aren't a neurotic headcase. Trust me, having sex too early kind of warps you. Enjoy just being an innocent kid, no matter what Miss Squishy/Mr. Peppy is screaming at you to do!

Too late. Now I hate Miss Squishy for what she had done ten years ago... or more. Looks like I'm hopeless. big grin
Gorky

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« Reply #50 on: 08-11-2012 17:35 »

Abstain, at least until you are 18 and you aren't a neurotic headcase.

Wait a minute: I am both (over) eighteen years old and a neurotic headcase. No one ever told me becoming an adult magically rendered you capable of dealing with the various physical and emotional implications of intimacy with another human being--and, in my experience, that has not been the case. I agree with you that a person should hold off on having sex until they feel they're ready for everything that goes along with that decision, but I think arbitrarily picking an age and saying that's when you're mature enough to start bumping uglies is probably a bad idea. Although, pro-tip: If you're referring to it as "bumping uglies," you're probably still too immature to be, well, bumping anything in the first place.

And besides, if people had to wait until they were completely mentally- and emotionally-stable to have sex, I don't think anyone would be getting laid. Ever. We'd be a species of sour moods and blue balls. tongue

But I digress. On the subject of the Fry and Leela scene in "Free Will Hunting":

Tachyon, I do agree that it's pointless to debate whether they had sex or not. Clearly they were intimate somehow, and whether that involved the traditional sense of intercourse seems besides the point. Even if they were just cuddling, the scene still conveyed a strong carnal element to their attraction to each other, which hitherto has been frustratingly missing ever since ItWGY established that they were indeed a couple.

I agree with this completely; very well-said. Fry and Leela's relationship is often about the two of them talking about how they feel about each other: in the original run, it was Fry telling Leela he loved her and Leela telling him she didn't want to be with him; in the new run, it's been Fry telling Leela he loves her and Leela calling him her sweet goofbag and other such terms of endearment. There have been big romantic gestures on Fry's part along the way--moving the stars, composing an opera, repeatedly sacrificing himself--but for the most part, we've not seen the two characters being physically affectionate on a smaller, more everyday scale, even if that just means hugging or holding hands.

And that's partly what I loved so much about "A Farewell to Arms," "Fun on a Bun," and "Free Will Hunting": we got to see Fry and Leela handling one another the way, well, two people who are romantically-involved and sexually-attracted traditionally handle one another. There have been kisses and hugs; hands have been held and arms caressed. Such little couple-y gestures are probably easy to forget about in animation, but I like seeing Fry and Leela act around one another the way two real people in a relationship might act.

I don't know if I'm making any sense here, or if I sound like a total creep, but no matter. My point here is that I like those physical cues we've been given this season, the ones that indicate Fry and Leela are, you know, in love. What we got in "Free Will Hunting" may just be the most real and natural example of that, like sparkybarky and Spacedal have noted.
pumpkinpie

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« Reply #51 on: 08-11-2012 18:39 »

I am naive, and am not trying to be an old granny, but teenagers should not know what sex hair looks like!
Sex voice/sex face is OK for teenagers then... big grin
No, no, no! Abstain, at least until you are 18 and you aren't a neurotic headcase. Trust me, having sex too early kind of warps you. Enjoy just being an innocent kid, no matter what Miss Squishy/Mr. Peppy is screaming at you to do!


I have no plans in the near future Sparky. I was simply making a point with other poster's observations.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #52 on: 08-11-2012 19:25 »

Gorky, yes, you are right; I was trying to think of a guideline that would signal one's readiness and really could not. When your credit score is above 650? When you have mastered all three series of the Ashtanga practice, including Urdhva Dhanurasana and Ganda Bherundasana? When you can name all the capitals of the countries in the world? Whatever, it is not my place to say when someone should start boning. It can really screw with your head, though.

Back on topic! You know, it's weird. Fry isn't even drawn to be particularly handsome so why do so many of us fawn after him? Clearly Leela and Amy are cheesecake but not so Fry.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #53 on: 08-11-2012 21:06 »

It's pretty simple, Fry is a loveable guy who means well despite his poor judgement and stupidness. He's dedicated to his friends, he's even nice to Zoidberg, and he does seem to belong in the future compared to his life in the past. The biggest reason why people "fawn" over him is because he loves Leela so much that he's willing to do anything for her. Who doesn't want a man who is willing to die for you, move the stars for you, or write an opera about you? Fry is a romantic person, that's why it's great to see him and Leela finally be a couple because she can appreciate the things he does for her like we have previously.
Professor Zoidy

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« Reply #54 on: 08-11-2012 21:21 »

All of what Spacedal said. He's of average build and attractiveness, but his heart and romanticism severely makes up for that appearance, rendering him desirable to many people, thus proving one does not need to be a super model guy or gal to be amazing overall. Besides that, despite shopping around in the past, Fry has clearly been set only on Leela for long-term. He's an honest, loyal, dependable guy who wouldn't run around home wrecking because he got bored. I feel like all of his other relationships were more or less an attempt to fill the space Leela was taking in his heart, and it just wasn't cutting it. Plus, I don't know about you, but if I knew a guy that had spiky red hair I'd find that pretty alluring... Especially if they could get it as ridiculous as Fry's. Real life hair is hard to do!
sparkybarky

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« Reply #55 on: 08-12-2012 00:47 »

Thank you, Zoidy and Spacedal. I wanted to hear others' thoughts.  That sums up perfectly why I find him so cute, but have always just thought of it as, "it's that whole Mr. Darcy pining after Lizzy" thing. Not that Fry has any resemblance to Mr. Darcy in appearance (or shall I say countenance?) or character. But the way he loves Elizabeth is like how Fry loves Leela.

And another thing: for me, it's not solely that Fry is so devoted and loving. It's also because he loves a character that I find appealing and sympathetic (I know several people on PEEL can't stand her). I think Katey Sagal does an excellent job fleshing her out--not to mention the writers--and portraying her as a complex character, who isn't just a pretty, one-dimensional rom-com stand-in as the object of the main protag's desire. If I didn't like her, or felt like she was flat and insipid, I prolly wouldn't like Fry, and think he was a pitiful and infuriating schlub instead.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #56 on: 08-12-2012 08:04 »

Back on topic! You know, it's weird. Fry isn't even drawn to be particularly handsome so why do so many of us fawn after him? Clearly Leela and Amy are cheesecake but not so Fry.
As a hetero-male, I fawn over Fry because I would love so very much to be his friend.  I'm smart, introverted and often quiet, but I know that Fry would accept me and bring out the inner kid that so often stays hidden behind the layers of intellect that I often wish were gone.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #57 on: 08-12-2012 16:22 »

Louis, I hope you don't mind me saying: that is just so sweet. I am alway amazed when men express their tender and vulnerable side, prolly because my dad never really did.

Tachyon

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« Reply #58 on: 08-12-2012 17:54 »


Sadly, guys are often looked upon with disdain and suffer abuse when they let their feelings show frown

Yeah, I'm a bit of a shipper smile

Louiswuenator

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« Reply #59 on: 08-12-2012 18:13 »

Louis, I hope you don't mind me saying: that is just so sweet. I am alway amazed when men express their tender and vulnerable side, prolly because my dad never really did.
I don't mind at all.  As a matter of fact it's very nice to hear someone recognize that.  We are taught to disregard that side of us, as I would guess your father was taught too, but that doesn't mean it isn't there and doesn't need attention. smile

Sadly, guys are often looked upon with disdain and suffer abuse when they let their feelings show frown
Yes.  Displaying emotion or vulnerability gets you labeled as a pussy, weak and emasculated.  In fact I think it takes more courage to be vulnerable than to not.
sparkybarky

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« Reply #60 on: 08-12-2012 18:51 »

Well I find it a lovely quality. My husband is so open and emotionally vulnerable to me and I love this about him.
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #61 on: 08-13-2012 00:04 »


But I digress. On the subject of the Fry and Leela scene in "Free Will Hunting":

Tachyon, I do agree that it's pointless to debate whether they had sex or not. Clearly they were intimate somehow, and whether that involved the traditional sense of intercourse seems besides the point. Even if they were just cuddling, the scene still conveyed a strong carnal element to their attraction to each other, which hitherto has been frustratingly missing ever since ItWGY established that they were indeed a couple.

I agree with this completely; very well-said. Fry and Leela's relationship is often about the two of them talking about how they feel about each other: in the original run, it was Fry telling Leela he loved her and Leela telling him she didn't want to be with him; in the new run, it's been Fry telling Leela he loves her and Leela calling him her sweet goofbag and other such terms of endearment. There have been big romantic gestures on Fry's part along the way--moving the stars, composing an opera, repeatedly sacrificing himself--but for the most part, we've not seen the two characters being physically affectionate on a smaller, more everyday scale, even if that just means hugging or holding hands.

And that's partly what I loved so much about "A Farewell to Arms," "Fun on a Bun," and "Free Will Hunting": we got to see Fry and Leela handling one another the way, well, two people who are romantically-involved and sexually-attracted traditionally handle one another. There have been kisses and hugs; hands have been held and arms caressed. Such little couple-y gestures are probably easy to forget about in animation, but I like seeing Fry and Leela act around one another the way two real people in a relationship might act.

I don't know if I'm making any sense here, or if I sound like a total creep, but no matter. My point here is that I like those physical cues we've been given this season, the ones that indicate Fry and Leela are, you know, in love. What we got in "Free Will Hunting" may just be the most real and natural example of that, like sparkybarky and Spacedal have noted.

This. I've assumed Fry and Leela were having sex since she was so blasť about joining the Mile Deep Club in The Duh-Vinci Code, but it's nice to see it made canon in such an offhand way. Think it's pretty obvious they were post-coital in FWH, by the way.

What's interesting about the Fry / Leela dynamic in 7a is that a lot of it is coming from Leela. Personally, I was of the opinion Leela was repressing feelings for Fry for a long time (pretty much confirmed for me in The Sting) but this season her guard seems to have come down a lot more.

The Butterjunk Effect is a good example. Look at their date in the opening scene. Leela is the one giving affection here (in public) and uses two pretty definitive words ("couple" and "date") quite freely. The whole of last season she kept their relationship on vague terms, but she's labelling it now. Fry might be slow to catch on ("We were going out?") but Leela seems to regard him firmly as her boyfriend. Given her problems committing to him last season, that's significant progress.

There are more subtle things too. Just look at the Butterfly Derby. Okay, so the sport does eventually throw a spanner in their relationship, but there's some evidence to suggest that (ironically) Leela originally does it to impress Fry. This is mainly in the animation, but it is there. Initially, Leela is unimpressed by the sport. ("THIS is what I was expecting" she says, sounding pretty derogotory.) But Fry is into it, and Leela notices. I don't have screencaps (anyone?) but every time he's enthusiastic, she's watching him. And in Elzar's, she didn't mind just denying she and Amy were fighting. She didn't feel a burning urge to go out and prove it wasn't true. So . . . more than one reason for strapping on the wings? I think so.

It's there in Fun on a Bun too. Yes, they break up, but the break-up seems more of a rebuke than a serious bust-up. Judging by the casual way she asks "Where's Fry?" later on, it seems likely Leela just plans on putting him in the doghouse for a while. Then there's the animation in the final scene, when she tells him his version of Oktoberfest is more fun. Look at their expressions. Fry is looking around him, at the partying, but Leela only has eyes (eye? wink ) for him. She doesn't seem to care all that much about Oktoberfest itself - she cares that it makes him happy. This is a neat reversal of her earlier behavior, and it's a lesson learned. Leela might be more mature than Fry, but he still has quite a bit to teach her about relationships. Time spent with the people you love should be fun, or what's the point? Fry tries to tell her this when he says "So what? I'm finally having fun" but she's not in the mood to listen and has to learn it the hard way. Her willingness to embarrass herself at the episode's end suggests she appreciates what Fry was trying to do. And once again, we have Leela making the gesture for Fry.

In FWH we once again have a somewhat distracted Fry, and a Leela who's reaching out to him. He misses Bender, she comforts him. It's the flipside of him comforting over her Mom's marriage to Zapp, and it really evens out their relationship. Fry isn't the one doing all the chasing anymore. There can't be (or shouldn't be) any question his feelings are reciprocated, which is a welcome change from the ambiguousness of season 6. It's character development, and I like it!
pumpkinpie

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« Reply #62 on: 08-13-2012 01:18 »

Ooh, you forgot the way Leela smiles at him admirably when he does that happy cat screech after she kisses him, and Amy's all "wat".
sparkybarky

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« Reply #63 on: 08-13-2012 03:08 »

Hi, TSS-I, welcome and nice analysis. I like your name, but that's quite a keyboard-full.

Then there's the animation in the final scene, when she tells him his version of Oktoberfest is more fun. Look at their expressions. Fry is looking around him, at the partying, but Leela only has eyes (eye? wink ) for him. She doesn't seem to care all that much about Oktoberfest itself - she cares that it makes him happy.

I think you're talking about this (courtesy of  the talented Tastes Like Fry):

Suddenly chicken hats



Louiswuenator

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« Reply #64 on: 08-13-2012 03:51 »

There are more subtle things too. Just look at the Butterfly Derby. Okay, so the sport does eventually throw a spanner in their relationship, but there's some evidence to suggest that (ironically) Leela originally does it to impress Fry. This is mainly in the animation, but it is there. Initially, Leela is unimpressed by the sport. ("THIS is what I was expecting" she says, sounding pretty derogotory.) But Fry is into it, and Leela notices. I don't have screencaps (anyone?) but every time he's enthusiastic, she's watching him. And in Elzar's, she didn't mind just denying she and Amy were fighting. She didn't feel a burning urge to go out and prove it wasn't true. So . . . more than one reason for strapping on the wings? I think so.

This is a very good point, and I missed that the first time around!  It seems a little role reversal is going on.

Excellent first post and welcome to the boards, Shut In. smile
Tastes Like Fry

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« Reply #65 on: 08-13-2012 05:11 »

Yeah, uh, there's a little artists liscense in that picture, I moved Frys POV. x] When I get home I'll upload the actual framegrab. Not once at this point does he look at Leela, except when she's dancing.
Tedward

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« Reply #66 on: 08-13-2012 22:52 »

It's funny to see Leela's lady boner get slapped down.

"I didn't realize Your Majesty was into that sort of thing..." tongue
The Sophisticated Shut In

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« Reply #67 on: 08-13-2012 23:07 »

Ooh, you forgot the way Leela smiles at him admirably when he does that happy cat screech after she kisses him, and Amy's all "wat".

Shame on me!

Also, I think this scene works on a few more levels as well. Leela might be telling everyone it's fine, but I think she appreciates Fry speaking up about the bitchiness in her friendship with Amy. While I'm sure the two girls are fond of each other, Amy is a lot better at the barbed comments than Leela - you get the sense Leela is always running to keep up. All the real zingers come from Amy ("I guessed", "judging by your tank top", etc). Leela, by contrast, gives up pretty quickly and slides into insults that are less catty and played for laughs, and more  thinly-veiled. ("Enough about who is and isn't a Chinese skank.") She pretends she's cool with it and can hold her own in a bitchfest, because she hates to appear vulnerable. But there is a sense of her rewarding Fry with that kiss. Given her past (bullied kid in the orphanage) it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

And yes, Sparky, that was the picture!
Yeah, uh, there's a little artists liscense in that picture, I moved Frys POV. x] When I get home I'll upload the actual framegrab. Not once at this point does he look at Leela, except when she's dancing.

Nice manip! For a second there I thought I'd gone crazy - I distinctly remembered him looking AWAY. smile

Thanks for all the welcomes, guys! And feel free to abbreviate the hell outta my username. I know, it's asking for it!
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« Reply #68 on: 08-14-2012 01:34 »
« Last Edit on: 08-14-2012 01:37 »

Also, I think this scene works on a few more levels as well. Leela might be telling everyone it's fine, but I think she appreciates Fry speaking up about the bitchiness in her friendship with Amy. While I'm sure the two girls are fond of each other, Amy is a lot better at the barbed comments than Leela - you get the sense Leela is always running to keep up. All the real zingers come from Amy ("I guessed", "judging by your tank top", etc). Leela, by contrast, gives up pretty quickly and slides into insults that are less catty and played for laughs, and more  thinly-veiled. ("Enough about who is and isn't a Chinese skank.") She pretends she's cool with it and can hold her own in a bitchfest, because she hates to appear vulnerable. But there is a sense of her rewarding Fry with that kiss. Given her past (bullied kid in the orphanage) it wouldn't surprise me a bit.
Wow, that's deep... want some gum?

Also I'm glad you mentioned Leela watching Fry during the Derby, I thought it was my crazy imagination and overly shippy brain making things up when I watched it. But since we're going deep here, I thought that the fact Amy was so violent with Kif and yet Leela "didn't even verbally abuse him(Fry)" was perhaps Leela protecting Fry from herself. Leela all over Fry later was totally the 'nectar' speaking though.

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Yeah, uh, there's a little artists liscense in that picture, I moved Frys POV. x] When I get home I'll upload the actual framegrab. Not once at this point does he look at Leela, except when she's dancing.

Nice manip! For a second there I thought I'd gone crazy - I distinctly remembered him looking AWAY. smile

Thanks for all the welcomes, guys! And feel free to abbreviate the hell outta my username. I know, it's asking for it!

Thank you ~ <3

And this is the original image I said I'd post x]


Yeah, never trust my art to be exactly the framegrab.  shifty
sparkybarky

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« Reply #69 on: 08-14-2012 04:08 »
« Last Edit on: 08-14-2012 05:27 »

Hmm, TLF, I thought in your manipulated screen capture Fry was looking off at something else, just past Leela, but not at her. Maybe because Fry's eyes are sort of like "doll's eyes" in this scene (and I'm just talking about the original animation).

Gorky

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« Reply #70 on: 08-16-2012 06:34 »

So there's a minor debate about this--by which I mean maybe one or two people have mentioned it--in the "Near-Death Wish" review thread, but it seems like this is the proper thread in which to put it to a vote: What say you guys about this new running gag of Leela overtly hitting on Fry and Fry overtly turning down her advances?

I personally loved it in "Reincarnation," and don't think any other version of that joke will ever match the greatness of the original (it was just so unexpected and hilarious)--but I like the role-reversal nature of the gag, and as long as Leela comes up with new reasons to be turned on by Fry, and Fry comes up with new reasons to shoot her down ("I'm looking for old people!"), I don't think it will become tired any time soon.

I'll also say that I'm quite the fan of these nods we've been getting to Fry and Leela's romantic entanglement so far this season, even in episodes that have no other shippy content. They don't distract from the main story, but instead feel organic to the characters and their relationship. And, like, I think that's a pretty neat thing for the writers to be doing, after how inconsistently they handled the relationship in season six.

Yes, Fry and Leela were on-again/off-again last season, but the writers still could have handled that a bit better--you know, by letting us know before the penultimate episode of the season (and possibly the series) that Fry and Leela were knowingly and willingly involved in a casual relationship. (I'm not still bitter or anything...)
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« Reply #71 on: 08-16-2012 09:22 »
« Last Edit on: 08-16-2012 09:38 »

What say you guys about this new running gag of Leela overtly hitting on Fry and Fry overtly turning down her advances?

I personally loved it in "Reincarnation," and don't think any other version of that joke will ever match the greatness of the original (it was just so unexpected and hilarious)--but I like the role-reversal nature of the gag, and as long as Leela comes up with new reasons to be turned on by Fry, and Fry comes up with new reasons to shoot her down ("I'm looking for old people!"), I don't think it will become tired any time soon.


The joke works surprisingly well for me:

- I did not like Fry tip toeing around Leela, fearing she might immediatelly run off for a simple wrong word (which sometimes used to be the writing on her). The main characters have often been subject to a slight agression towards each other. From time to time, the dialogs should be able to get a bit rougher, that they occasionally can get on each others nerves. And this means not only Fry looking sad because of another one of Leelas actions (e.g. "My strictly platonic friend..."), but also sometimes dishing out (even unknowingly) at her direction.

- The "low key" role reversal themes are imhO the best ways so far to handle it. After all, Fry did not miss out on a great opportunity to end up with Leela, or a major orgy she suggested to him (okay..the shower scene leaned a bit that direction), etc...
In NDW, what could Fry have done with Leela's admiration in the given scene, when they were riding the hovercar? Maybe laying his arm around her, but tha's it. They did not really miss a chance for the most romantic night ever, or something like that.

Also, in FWH, they already had been intimate (or at least suggested). So he didn't really turn her down completely, but just made a not so flattering remark after Leela supposedly had his attention for a while wink

So, all in all, these little jokes do not interfere with the plot, but have a rather organic mood to them.

Oh yeah, and the catchphrase "Not now, Leela..." should be kept wink
UnrealLegend

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« Reply #72 on: 08-16-2012 09:36 »

I agree that Reincarnation is by far the best example of this joke.

The one in NDW was probably the worst, but it doesn't particularly bother me because it was still pretty good.
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« Reply #73 on: 08-16-2012 09:44 »

In NDW, what could Fry have done with Leela's admiration in the given scene, when they were riding the hovercar?

Fry has such a one-track mind... the lad never was terribly good at multi-tasking. Maybe he never made the connection between snuggle now -> possible nookie later.
Spacedal11

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« Reply #74 on: 08-16-2012 10:36 »

El-Man is totally right, that's why this joke is pretty funny in its various incarnations. The first time was unexpected, especially giving Fry's answer: "Leela! I'm trying to listen to a physics lecture". Although I don't think Fry would have been interested at all in having sex while hanging out with Shabadoo and Gram-Gram. Someone else  mentioned this earlier in the last thread but I think Fry rejecting Leela sexually is wink and nudge to the audience that finally shows us that after all Fry has been through just to be with Leela, it's finally time she got some flack that she had been dishing out to him.
Louiswuenator

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« Reply #75 on: 08-16-2012 19:29 »

While I agree that this new 'not now, Leela' trend is a good thing, I hope it's not always like that.  Seeing as how characters are using each others catchphrases, like Fry saying, "Oh, Lord." - I wouldn't mind hearing him pick up a few of Bender's.  Fro example, when Leela told him that he was acting all confident and she was turned on, it would have been great to hear him say something along the lines of "Shut up baby, I know it."  Now that would have been funny.  I know I should just take what I can get, but hey, I'm a compulsive nitpicker. smile
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« Reply #76 on: 08-16-2012 22:05 »

And perhaps we will see that sorta thing, Louis. It mimics the natural world of friends and lovers. We imitate those we care about. I was glad to see Fry take Leela's main catchphrase for himself, because it means she's rubbing off on him a little bit, just as Fry's mannerisms and attitude about things is rubbing off on her in return. Character growth is awesome!

@Spacedal: Yes! Him making her wait is a somewhat subtle way to get back at her for making him wait so long for affection. We know he could easily just say "ok, sure" and have at it, but he doesn't. Ahhh, subtle torture. Of course, I think it's also partially because Fry is pretty goal-oriented when he wants to be, so he gets into a mind frame to accomplish something and nothing deters him from his course.
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« Reply #77 on: 08-16-2012 22:40 »


> "Of course, I think it's also partially because Fry is pretty goal-oriented when he wants to be, so he gets into a mind frame to accomplish something and nothing deters him from his course."

^^ This!

And yes, I do enjoy the watching the reversed behaviour. smile

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« Reply #78 on: 08-16-2012 23:04 »
« Last Edit on: 08-18-2012 14:22 »

About "catching the other persons habit":

Early Fry and Leela were imhO two extremes of "How to NOT run your life", making each character an example as well as a warning for the other one.

- Leela acquired skills, to get along in business/job reasonably well. Yet, the social skills were not so good: She hardly seemed to have any friends besides her co workers, was a frustrated single, etc... All in all: Running the risk of having to celebrate another promotion in an empty flat, with just the "Orphan of the year" award as company.
- Fry had said social skills (made friends relatively easy, was not too hard for him to meet women, even if it was just for a one night stand), yet remained completely unambitious, a life that will also lead to nowwhere in the long run. (Having a low paid job, focusing on fun might have a slightly romantic notion under 20, over 20 it becomes suspicous, over 30 pityful, and over 40 just grotesque...)

(Of course, after more than 100 episodes, these rules do not longer strictly apply).

Yet I did like that constellation, with Fry possibly being an example for Leela to be a bit more relaxed (e.g. the "Bending in the wind" tour seemed like some thing that was basically good for Leela), while Fry could get a bit more ambitious (when he wanted, he suddenly learned to fly the ship in TKS quite fast).

Which basically leaves potential for a role reversal episode: Fry becoming ambitious/successful, but exaggerating so much to become unlikeable (with Leela wanting her old Fry back), or Leela becoming a lazy slob (with Fry thinking "Now wait...I was not THAT bad, or was I ?).
The Fry plot sounds like the more interesting one (after all, an overambitious character does ACT), yet the Leela plots sounds more intriguing to me. I am thinking of the great twist in "I second that emotion", when Leela played the damsel in distress who seemed not to care. And in that episode, she REALLY had to "not care".

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« Reply #79 on: 08-18-2012 11:37 »

(From the old thread, thought people should see it)
Quote from: totalnerduk
Technically, this one should be closed before the new one can be opened. I am annoyed that this does not get enforced.

As it's part of a thread series, the new one's first post should contain a link to this one. I am also annoyed that this does not get enforced.

Neither this thread nor the one following it are chronicled on wikiPEELia, and there wasn't a "List of Shipping Thread Titles" page. There should have been. This also annoyed me, so I began it.

A little help would be appreciated, in getting them all on there and in the right order.
I agree, I thought it had been locked, and it confused me when suddenly people were posting in it.

We used to number and link them, I thought that's how we kept track.
... should we be doing this for every continuing thread?
*runs to fix rank thread

Fab list... I think I made a thread and then vanished not long after xD

I should read the WikiPEELia more often - I thought we'd lost Shiny forever - she's Frida Waterfall, hooray! I miss KKB-F though *tear* The shippy conversations held with her were epic.

... lol, someone changed my wikiprofile since I last checked, and I think I know who  shifty

Current convo:
Hmm, TLF, I thought in your manipulated screen capture Fry was looking off at something else, just past Leela, but not at her. Maybe because Fry's eyes are sort of like "doll's eyes" in this scene (and I'm just talking about the original animation).
He's very doll-eyed. But no, he's looking at Leela - and I brought Leelas vision down slightly to be more directly at him.

"catching the other persons habit"

At uni we've done a bit of study on changing peoples habits and you subconsciously copy what others are doing particulary if you're sucking up trying to please them. I think Leela's doing a fair bit of this, but deliberately and going way over the top. Mind you, I think for a good cause, Fry wouldn't know anything subtle if it hit him on the nose.

Fry,at least, acknowledges Leelas attempts with his 'Not now.' - it's not a full-out rejection, just his way of letting her know her timing isn't sitting well with him xD
Like was said before, Fry focuses on one thing at a time, and nothing will deter him from his course.
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