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coldangel

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« Reply #480 on: 09-11-2011 15:52 »

In the realm of fiction, really bitchy characters are the ones whose ultimate romantic conquest by the dogged hero is always sweetest. They have all these fantastic walls to break down. It's a journey. If she wasn't a bitch to begin with it would be far less interesting.
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« Reply #481 on: 09-11-2011 21:50 »

^^

Exactly.
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« Reply #482 on: 09-11-2011 23:13 »

Is the next thread going to be named 'when the ship hits the fan'?
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« Reply #483 on: 09-11-2011 23:32 »

Yes.
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« Reply #484 on: 09-11-2011 23:32 »

Is the next thread going to be named 'when the ship hits the fan'?

Genius!

Ooh, and it's even a pun in two ways!
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« Reply #485 on: 09-12-2011 00:01 »

In the realm of fiction, really bitchy characters are the ones whose ultimate romantic conquest by the dogged hero is always sweetest. They have all these fantastic walls to break down. It's a journey. If she wasn't a bitch to begin with it would be far less interesting.

Thats true, people usually prefer Veronicas to Betties (and Amy is clearly a Betty to Leela's Veronica.)   Heroes also rarely end up with the slutty girl, and Amy is the slutty girl. 
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« Reply #486 on: 09-12-2011 04:14 »

Whoa, whoa, whoa, are you referring to Betty as slutty??? Amy is obviously Veronica, she's rich, she's slutty.....I think people prefer Bettys to Veronica's as well, there aren't as many  fans  who are fond of the Archie/Veronica relationship as there are Archie/Betty fans. Betty is the sweet girl next door and Veronica is the bitchy, rich and slutty girl, I think you messed up your characters. (Not trying to be rude, I'm a big fan of both Archie comics and Futurama and I always thought of Leela as Betty, and that's not because I am team Betty)
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« Reply #487 on: 09-12-2011 04:31 »
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, are you referring to Betty as slutty??? Amy is obviously Veronica, she's rich, she's slutty.....I think people prefer Bettys to Veronica's as well, there aren't as many  fans  who are fond of the Archie/Veronica relationship as there are Archie/Betty fans. Betty is the sweet girl next door and Veronica is the bitchy, rich and slutty girl, I think you messed up your characters. (Not trying to be rude, I'm a big fan of both Archie comics and Futurama and I always thought of Leela as Betty, and that's not because I am team Betty)

Well they both have traits (since the two characters are not carbon copies of Betty and Veronica) of both characters, but Amy is Betty and Leela is Veronica.  (When they actually did a parody of this on one of the calenders, the writers clearly presented them as this way as well.)

Amy may be slutty and rich and impractical (Veronica) but her overall traits are friendliness, sweetness, loyalty, cuteness, innocence, naivite, and overall, she's Betty.

Leela may be maternal and practical (Betty) but she is mostly aggressive, voluptuous, exotic, protective of her own interests  and short tempered like Veronica.  

So in short, Amy is the sweet girl next door, and Leela is the fiery tempered exotic woman who knows what she wants.   http://bbrp.atwebpages.com/imagenes/cal2003_07.jpg  I think it's fairly obvious who is Betty and who is Veronica here.   wink
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« Reply #488 on: 09-12-2011 05:43 »

Betty and Archie ftw!
coldangel

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« Reply #489 on: 09-12-2011 15:18 »

Having no knowledge of the characters you refer to, I can only add that the spork is the single most unnecessary invention of all time.
spira

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« Reply #490 on: 09-12-2011 17:40 »

what is with the sporks

Veronica is just more interesting. I think in terms of chracter traits, it's fuzzy, but in terms of roles Leela is clearly Veronica.

Is the next thread going to be named 'when the ship hits the fan'?
BRILLIANT
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« Reply #491 on: 09-12-2011 17:46 »

It's a pun on so many levels.  Like the Pun Gods shined a light on me!
coldangel

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« Reply #492 on: 09-12-2011 17:46 »

what is with the sporks

What is it with YOUR FACE?!
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« Reply #493 on: 09-12-2011 22:23 »

what is with the sporks

What is it with YOUR FACE?!

Ooo, spira,  tag me, tag me!  Great. smile

A spork is by its nature the ideal table utensil of choice for true shippers, i.e. everyone in this thread.  It represents the merging of the male form (fork) and female form (spoon)  into a whole which is greater than the sum of its constituents, but which clearly retains a measure of their individual identities and functions.

When a couple cuts their wedding cake and take out the all important first slice, what better utensil with which to consume it and dedicate their future lives together but a spork!

Regarding sporks, the only debate remaining is the decorative form of the handle.  My Pink Pony?  Hello Kitty (My personal fave love)?, Holophoner Leela and Fry waltzing together?  So many choices!

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« Reply #494 on: 09-13-2011 02:19 »

...Since when is a spoon female?
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« Reply #495 on: 09-13-2011 04:32 »


Well they both have traits (since the two characters are not carbon copies of Betty and Veronica) of both characters, but Amy is Betty and Leela is Veronica.  (When they actually did a parody of this on one of the calenders, the writers clearly presented them as this way as well.)

Amy may be slutty and rich and impractical (Veronica) but her overall traits are friendliness, sweetness, loyalty, cuteness, innocence, naivite, and overall, she's Betty.

Leela may be maternal and practical (Betty) but she is mostly aggressive, voluptuous, exotic, protective of her own interests  and short tempered like Veronica.   

So in short, Amy is the sweet girl next door, and Leela is the fiery tempered exotic woman who knows what she wants.   http://bbrp.atwebpages.com/imagenes/cal2003_07.jpg  I think it's fairly obvious who is Betty and who is Veronica here.   wink

Ah, ok, I see your point, I've just always thought as Fry/Leela to be like Archie/Betty. I was never a big A/V fan, and I never will be.
Betty and Archie ftw!

Yes! Absolutely!
spira

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« Reply #496 on: 09-13-2011 05:02 »

...Since when is a spoon female?

Well, if one had to assign opposite genders to a fork and a spoon, the spoon would definitely female. Cos bowls and cups and the like are often symbols for female sexuality, and if you really stretch it a fork prong could be a phallic symbol. I guess.

Regarding sporks, the only debate remaining is the decorative form of the handle.

No, obviously you put a knife on the handle. A dull one, of course, because not cutting yourself is more important than having a functional knife. Then you end up with the knipoonork, which is fun I guess but also is completely useless on all three accounts.


On subject: Um, Fry. Leela. Yes.
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« Reply #497 on: 09-13-2011 17:49 »

Well, if one had to assign opposite genders to a fork and a spoon, the spoon would definitely female. Cos bowls and cups and the like are often symbols for female sexuality, and if you really stretch it a fork prong could be a phallic symbol. I guess.

You and Dan Brown...
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« Reply #498 on: 09-13-2011 21:54 »

knipoonork,

spira

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« Reply #499 on: 09-14-2011 05:28 »

What, are you poking fun at my incredibly scientific terminology?
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« Reply #500 on: 10-02-2011 11:11 »

They keep lowering the bar for brilliance, don't they? wink

Topic: Uh...I watched "Love and Rocket" yesterday. For some reason, I think that this is perhaps the cutest Fry/Leela moment in an episode that is chock full of 'em.



(I just like the way Fry is slouching a little and Leela lifts him up. I can't even explain it, really.)

I agree!  That scene is probably one of the sweetest moments in the entire series, in my opinion. 
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« Reply #501 on: 10-09-2011 16:20 »

Love and Rocket is one of my favorite episodes ever, after Bend Her.
spira

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« Reply #502 on: 10-09-2011 16:54 »

I actually really hated Love and Rocket the first time I saw it, I can't even explain why. Something about the ship jut rubbed me the wrong way. I've rewatched it a lot since then, though, and it is a very good episode. The scenes with the floating hearts are beautifully done, and Weaver's voicing of the ship is funny.
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« Reply #503 on: 10-09-2011 17:20 »

Weaver's voicing of the ship is funny.

"ME. WANT. ENGULF. BENDER! RAWR!"

"Love and Rocket" is such an underrated episode, and easily one of my favorites of the series. It's also a really sweet, sort of casually shippy episode; the Fry/Leela relationship is integrated nicely without really taking over the rest of the story. I hope the writers use a similarly light touch in season seven.
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« Reply #504 on: 10-09-2011 17:27 »
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I actually really hated Love and Rocket the first time I saw it, I can't even explain why. Something about the ship jut rubbed me the wrong way. I've rewatched it a lot since then, though, and it is a very good episode.

Could it have been this?:

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In the episode's initial setting, we got a Fry using Valentine's Day as an excuse to chase after Leela again, in that stubborn, somewhat stalkerish way (ennerving Leela, and I sometimes got the impression she was even a little scared of the stalkerish Fry, but this one could have been an overinterpretaion on my part).

Throughout most of the episode, the audience was confronted with that stalkerish, ennerving Fry, hardly able to gather any sympathies in regard to dealing with the Fry Leela relationsship.

In the end -when he attached his oxygen tank to her suit- the whole thing suddenly made more sense. That it was not really some stalkerish obsession, but he really cared for that girl.

But...with an episode showing 90% of stalkerish, not very well recieved Fry and 10% showing him as someone REALLY caring for Leela, the 90% can easily dominate the first impression.

Upon second viewing, the audience already knew that this was not a stalker, but rather some nice guy who deperately tried and failed to create the right impression of him. No negative impression by the "stalkerish" looking Fry any more, but the positive impression by his sacrifice did remain.


Of course, this interpretation about that Episode's reception could also have been complete nonsense by me.. wink
(But I always had that theory about that episode's first and second impression, and your post was just the proper opportunity for me to write it down wink )
spira

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« Reply #505 on: 10-09-2011 17:53 »

Fry wasn't the one who made me dislike the episode. It was more the ship having a voice and a personality and also the fact that I tuned in about five minutes in and was confused. Stalker Fry is a total creeper, but I thought the end was cute.

But I see where you're coming from and agree that Fry's obsession can overpower the sweetness of the episode.
Gorky

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« Reply #506 on: 10-09-2011 19:26 »

Fry's obsession isn't so off-putting to me in the case of L&R, probably because he's not searching for the perfect heart to make Leela love him (which is the terminology he employs in "Time Keeps on Slipping" and "The Devil's Hands Are Idle Playthings"; I have a problem with the stalker-y undertones there). Rather, he's looking for the proper heart to express his feelings for her, presumably without expecting her to reciprocate.

I think it's kind of a sweet thought, even if Fry is going at it in a strange way and is neglecting to realize that Leela's not interested in him. I don't know...I'm sort of picky when it comes to the actions that bug me and the actions that don't in the whole Fry-romances-Leela arc, but I give L&R a pass in that respect.
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« Reply #507 on: 10-09-2011 20:09 »


The ep was great on a shippy level, and I bet Ms. Weaver got a kick out of getting to act completely over the top.

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« Reply #508 on: 10-09-2011 21:02 »

ME!  WANT!  ENGULF!  BENDER!  RARRRGHHHH
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« Reply #509 on: 10-09-2011 21:52 »
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Love and Rocket is one of my favorite episodes ever, after Bend Her.

Bend Her? Interesting choice.
I used to remember this episode (talking about Love & Rocket) as above-average without being anything special. But I recently rewatched it and have to say: 10/10, shippy, funny, light-hearted... and one of the few times where the movie they reference is one I actually know!

The spaceship suddenly being a major character was a weird twist, but it was executed very, very well. The voice acting was brilliant, the plot was excellent. As much as I think about it, I can't find a single flaw with this episode. Calling Fry's behavior stalkerish is greatly exaggerated. He is a little intrusive, but that's not new at all and Leela isn't intimidated at all.
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« Reply #510 on: 10-09-2011 23:18 »

I love the various 2001 references Futurama has done, twice in episodes and at least once more in the comics that I know of. They're all really well done.

I haven't rewatched this in a while so I am mostly just going off of what other people have been saying about Fry's stalkerishness. I don't remember thinking of this episode as one in which Fry is particularly creepy about his obsession. Like Gorky said, he's not trying to "make" Leela love him. He's just trying to express how he feels about her though a new medium.

Weaver's voice acting was great. I love the scene where the ship's about to merge with Bender and is becoming more irrational, it's hilarious. As well as the scene in the bridge shortly before that. "Fire detected in the vicinity of Leela." Hah.
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« Reply #511 on: 10-10-2011 02:28 »


It's been ages since I've watched 2001 but I noticed that it's on On Demand in HD, for free.  Maybe I'll watch it tonight instead of cooking my lunch for the week...

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« Reply #512 on: 10-10-2011 12:38 »


It's been ages since I've watched 2001 but I noticed that it's on On Demand in HD, for free.  Maybe I'll watch it tonight instead of cooking my lunch for the week...


Eating is overrated, anyway.
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« Reply #513 on: 10-10-2011 14:27 »

I have to admit in the real world Fry's obsession with Leela would come off pretty creepy or at best, incredibly annoying.  I think the only character whose really reacted to it (besides Leela of course) is Amy in BBS.   When Fry asks if she's seen his macaroni picture of him and Leela, she says "Yes" in a tone that clearly says it's not the first time, or probably not even the fifth or sixth time he's asked her to see it.

But even so, I think my heart nearly broke seeing Frys macaroni picture collapse and a macaroni tear come out of its eye.  I don't think I've ever wanted to give him a hug as much as I did there.
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« Reply #514 on: 10-10-2011 14:55 »

I have to admit in the real world Fry's obsession with Leela would come off pretty creepy or at best, incredibly annoying.  I think the only character whose really reacted to it (besides Leela of course) is Amy in BBS.

But even so, I think my heart nearly broke seeing Frys macaroni picture collapse and a macaroni tear come out of its eye.  I don't think I've ever wanted to give him a hug as much as I did there. 

Well, there is one more incident of other characters reacting to Fry's feelings for  Leela. The scene in TMAR where Fry asks the crew if they know that he has a crush on Leela and Farnsworth slaps him in response (that was a moment that made ME want to give him a hug - the professor that is).

BBS was... too much of Fry's cuteness (and way too much of Leela's bitchness). I don't like Fry being portrayed as an emotional wimp, even if that creates some "awwww" moments. I hate it when I get the feeling that the writers are trying to influence the emotions of a viewer in a cheap way and the macaroni moment - sweet as it may be - was such a moment for me. Scenes that were touching in an intelligent way were for example the ending scenes of TLPJF and Love & Rocket.
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« Reply #515 on: 10-10-2011 17:26 »

Oh, I kind of hate Fry for most of "Bender's Big Score." I think the shippiness and the emotional arc and what have you are well done, but Fry is just so freaking whiny. I do appreciate his decency towards the end of the movie, though, what with his idiotic plan to get Lars and Leela back together because he has realized that Leela's happiness matters more than his own.

When Fry asks if she's seen his macaroni picture of him and Leela, she says "Yes" in a tone that clearly says it's not the first time, or probably not even the fifth or sixth time he's asked her to see it.

That moment is one of my favorites in the movie. I love how annoyed Amy is.
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« Reply #516 on: 10-11-2011 01:26 »

Fry has always had his wimpy side, but I do agree that it's particularly prominent in BBS and that he's a lot better about it in the end.

The professor slapping him in TMAR was hilarious and very well-deserved. Both Fry and Leela seem to have gotten whinier in season 6 (and to some extent the movies).
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« Reply #517 on: 10-11-2011 03:24 »

I didn't really like TMAR that much, but Farnsworth slapping Fry was simply hilarious.
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« Reply #518 on: 10-11-2011 08:40 »
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. Both Fry and Leela seem to have gotten whinier in season 6 (and to some extent the movies).

In the early episodes, Leela was rather the crybaby (quickly bursting into tears regarding her appearance, her loniness as the only "cyclopean alien" in the universe, having to grow up without parents, etc.,..), while Fry seemed more emotionally stable (or just not thinking too much about his situation  wink ).  E.g. in "Space Flight 3000", Leela seemed as sad remembering her loneliness (which she had 25 years to get acustomed to) as Fry, who just realized that moment he lost his complete previous life.

Leelas major outbursts in seaso 6A were about Fry's appearant  death(s), and it would have been rather inappropriate had Leela NOT been crying about that. Otherwise, having found her family and some friends, she seemed more emotionally stable to me,.

I agree they made Fry whinier, and it didn't really make sense. The "alone stranded in the Future" aspect was gone with him having settled in.
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« Reply #519 on: 10-11-2011 16:08 »
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And not only that, he's much happier in the future.  He had a second shot at life, only a second shot in a world where all his sci fi dreams and wishes had come true.   I think it's funny that while he was meant to be a "fish out of water" in the future, in reality he was a fish out of water in his own era.   Now he has friends and people who care about him and love him.

His new circle of friends actually give a damn about him, unlike his parents (well his mother at least) and his emotionally abusive girlfriend. He's still a loser... depending on what your definition of what a loser is.  But even so, he's a pretty happy one, and someone who is pretty content with his lot in life.  Aside from having a robot for a best friend and being able to eat lasers and blow up uninhabited planets, he never really asked for a lot in life, and since coming to the future, he's got it all and then some.  So yeah.

Weird.  When I posted this, I just looked up to see my Fry figure staring at me right in the eye from my shelf where i had put him.  Furrreaaaky!
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