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totalnerduk

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« Reply #40 on: 07-05-2011 06:50 »

Oh... God... I'm going to visit my grandmother in just a few days.

Probably a good thing she warned you now rather than in a couple of weeks, then. tongue
spira

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« Reply #41 on: 07-05-2011 07:06 »


I agree with this a lot. I am a huge fan of Fry/Leela but I can completely see why people who aren't obsessed with the pair are starting to get sick of it. In an ideal universe, Overclockwise will give us some sort of solid definition of their relationship.

I disagree that future episodes should be "full comedy". On the contrary, I firmly believe that it's the emotional aspect that makes Futurama rise head-and-shoulders above a lot of shows out there. I'm pretty sure most fans like the show at least partly because they care about the characters and/or the whole family dynamic of the PE crew. The humor is another big part - like the lungs of the show, and the emotional aspect is the heart, and that was a super dumb analogy and it's late and I'm going to bed now.
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #42 on: 07-05-2011 08:02 »

I state that The Late Philip J. Fry would have been a lot funnier without the F/L angle and, if it ultimately didn't really forward it, I'd prefer if future episodes like it just go full comedy.

It might have been funnier, but I don't think it would have been anywhere near as brilliant, and certainly not as emotionally resonant. That's like saying that "The Luck of the Fryrish" would have been funnier without the twist of Yancy naming his son after Fry, or that "Time Keeps on Slipping" is too much of a downer and a tease with the Fry/Leela stuff. What is so great about an episode like TLPJF is that its sci-fi hilarity is inextricably linked to the romance, and that the former is granted much more dramatic weight because of the latter.
Maybe more epic, but the shippy storyline made it much more epic, beautiful and sad. Without it I wouldn't have cried at the end.

On another note, Jurassic Bark would have worked much better without Seymour.

Clarification: You two came to a bit of an agreement that the writers either need to fully commit to F/L in S7 or simply abandon it altogether because the continuing high-pressure storylines about their relationship, where it's pushed to the brink, are less effective each time they are ignored once they're over and sacrificed to the mighty Status Quo. I'm agreeing with you and going the next logical step, which is to, if ignored, simply lock it away until finale time. That preserves its importance and allows the show to keep at its comic pace. It could be still kept warm by having F/L remain relatively chaste on-screen (aside from one-liners) and good friends (maybe even better friends than previously shown), but no more over-the-top shenanigans like alternate future's or coma fantasies. They aren't necessary if they are going to be essentially ignored.

Going into S6 I was/am willing to give the writers a pass on their on-and-off treatment so far, since it had been 7 years since the last new half-hour shown and they are on a different network. I treat it as a revival, one that needed to show off to new viewers with its main feature forward (comedy). But revival doesn't negate that there are 72 episodes that existed before, the F/L ship of which has been a running storyline of (brought up occasionally, of course). Once the revival season hits its end (meaning the show is now just something that is on rather than some remarkable resurrection), it's time to move on.

This brings me to The Late Philip J. Fry. When I say it would have been funnier without F/L shippiness, I clarified it by adding that I would sacrifice that part if it would not have an effect. I mean that if the F/L ship is treated with the same forth-and-back in S7 as it's been treated with since S1, despite several massive hints to their love for each other (like saying "I love you" to each other), then why continue teasing? We might as well stick to the show's comic strength/focus if the writers are unwilling to give up their will-they-won't-they? (when it's so obviously they-will).

Here's the thing about The Late Philip J. Fry: it works just as well as a comic story. Little is lost and many jokes would have been gained had it been purely funny. I like that it decided to go with a great romantic story, both human relationship and awe-inspiring journey-wise, but the "other" episode, the comic one, would have likely been great too.

In contrast, making The Luck of the Fryrish or Jurassic Bark without  their dramatic stories either ends with a vastly different (read: worse) episode or no episode at all. The Luck of the Fryrish succeeds because what could have been a silly, fluff episode about a journey into Old New York (something with a bit of a I Second That Emotion quality/feel) was instead used to examine Fry's displacement, his relationship with his family (mostly his brother), and develop his character (show us he's got depth).  Most of the stuff in the previous sentence was once more accomplished in Jurassic Bark, with the main difference that Jurassic Bark cannot exist in any other form. It must be its tearjerking self or it doesn't exist at all (otherwise, it'd be boring and pointless).

As for Time Keeps On Slippin', that's a pretty good example of an episode that is in some ways TLPJF's predecessor, since it similarly goes for a "different future" plot (in the sense we get to see a what-if of sorts with the characters (F/L specifically)) and a combination super funny/emotionally powerful story (one that can shift jarringly). Where I think TKOS is more worthy of its plot is really an issue of placement and promise. Even though TKOS is ignored in the following episodes (in fact, F/L aren't built after that for the remainder of S3), it's totally okay since that season was a "testing the water" for F/L anyhow. It's why they only have two major plots (302, 314) and a couple minor S1/2-ish moments (307, 309, 311). Once the development was met positively, the writers felt comfortable making it a focal, advancing point in S4 (which is where the show was prematurely canceled (which probably was a bit of the reason why it was expanded, but I'd consider it a minor reason compared to it's favorable reaction from the S3 episodes)). If the show had continued (and I know conjecture isn't something strong for an argument to stand on, but I hope it's seen as logically-deduced conjecture to give some strength to it), I think the writers would have been comfortable just going with it and continuing to advance the storyline, or at least that's what its treatment in S4 suggests.

TLPJF only earns that if the writers had in mind then that the endpoint (F/L actually together) would finally have its resolution this season rather than being dragged to a cliched, overbearing finish at the end of the show (which, considering the strength of the characters and the overall non-invasiveness such a pairing would have, would be the most gutless and pointless time to actually do it). Otherwise, we might as well break out the comedy and leave F/L at a  comfortable "good-friends" status rather than keep pointlessly teasing their inevitable togetherness.

it's late and I'm going to bed now.

Good idea. I shall have to mimic it.
Aki

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« Reply #43 on: 07-05-2011 16:29 »

Does she like to bake sugar cookies?

And I'm sorry for any emotional distress my comments may cause you in the coming days. I suck.

I hate you now.

Nah, you're a wonderful gal!

Oh... God... I'm going to visit my grandmother in just a few days.
Probably a good thing she warned you now rather than in a couple of weeks, then. tongue

That be true.
Gorky

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« Reply #44 on: 07-05-2011 16:44 »
« Last Edit on: 07-05-2011 16:50 »

Clarification: You two came to a bit of an agreement that the writers either need to fully commit to F/L in S7 or simply abandon it altogether because the continuing high-pressure storylines about their relationship, where it's pushed to the brink, are less effective each time they are ignored once they're over and sacrificed to the mighty Status Quo.

I can't speak for Aki, but I was mostly talking about the tomfoolery that goes on in "Into the Wild Green Yonder," where we get a lot of really wonderful Fry and Leela moments (specifically the "I love you"s and the kiss, but also Leela calling Fry her sweet goofbag and both uses of "You're you. That's all I need to know"), and the emotional core of the movie is how Fry is trying first to save the violet dwarf star for Leela, then how he is trying to save Leela, all without being able to tell her what he's doing or why he's doing it. It is easily the most conclusive evidence the writers have ever given us that, not only is Fry's love for Leela genuine and of I-would-die-for-you proportions, but Leela reciprocates, and probably has for a while (considering that she prefaces her ILY with "Maybe I waited too long to tell you this..."). In short, it's a wonderfully satisfying episode on an emotional and/or shippy level.

"Rebirth" is also a super-shippy episode, but it kind of resets things to the status quo with Fry's cute-but-stupid insistence that he's "waited for [Leela] for a thousand years" and he "can wait a little longer." And so, not only does this kind of foul up any progress made in ItWGY, it also sullies the once-pure nature of its love story and emotional arc. "Rebirth"'s ambiguity is so annoying, considering the effect it's had on the rest of season six (where Fry and Leela seem to be dating in some episodes, and in other episodes they're sleeping with other people and/or shown to be just friends).

I'd also argue that "Bender's Big Score" does the same thing to the ship, though in that case I understand why practical concerns (why get Fry and Leela together in the first movie if we need some kind of arc that can be explored (however insignificantly) in the other four movies?) and character concerns (it might be a little weird for Leela to move past her sadness at Lars's death by immediately hooking up with Fry). But I digress.

As far as the shippy episodes of the original series go, there the ambiguity works. Fry and Leela's relationship is never taken to a place so emotional or now-or-never that the subsequent resets (and it might be unfair to call them that) muck anything up or render the emotional arcs in these episodes useless. The two episodes you mention as being over-the-top--TKOS and "The Sting"--are definitely a bit melodramatic, but I wouldn't have them any other way. And it's understandable for TKOS to end as it does (Fry ends the episode still in love with Leela, and Leela ends the episode unable to remember what Fry did to make her marry him, and never having seen the message in the stars; Fry's love and Leela's we're-just-friends attitude remain intact in subsequent episodes, so there's no reset there). "The Sting" is arguably the closest Fry and Leela came in the original series to maybe hooking up, but even then, most of what Leela experiences in her coma dream is the result of guilt over killing her friend; only in the final moments--as she sits in her room clutching Fry's picture, and he tells her he loves her, and she admits that she only feels all right when she's with him in her dreams--does the episode really take a romantic turn (I don't count Leela being treated "so romantically by [her] own imagination" in act two, because this is more the result of things Fry is presumably telling her as she lay there comatose, not anything in Leela's own subconscious). Anyway, the episode ends with Leela appreciating what Fry has done for her (and giving her a whole bunch of oh-my-god-maybe-I-do-like-him internal conflict that we will never see play out explicitly in the series, but which can account for her attitude toward him at the end of Devil's Hands; Fry, again, ends the episode being madly in love with Leela, and this is explored in subsequent episodes).

So, yeah. Relationship resets, at least as far as I'm concerned, only mess up certain episodes--specifically ItWGY, but also potentially "Overclockwise." [/super long rant]

Once the revival season hits its end (meaning the show is now just something that is on rather than some remarkable resurrection), it's time to move on.

I agree with this entirely. I'm just hoping that the writers choose to move on by exploring Fry and Leela as a true canonical couple. Setting aside their relationship entirely not only costs them a lot of what has made the show so emotionally potent, but it also will make it pretty painful to look back on one's favorite shippy episodes and realize that it was all for naught. And, like I mentioned before, that would be just a smidge too dark for this show, especially when the writers have made it pretty clear that Fry and Leela is the endgame.

In contrast, making The Luck of the Fryrish or Jurassic Bark without  their dramatic stories either ends with a vastly different (read: worse) episode or no episode at all.

I agree that both episodes would be worse without the dramatic twists, but I don't think that either episode would be impossible. Fryrish could have easily ended with Fry digging up Yancy (who had assumed the name of Philip J. Fry) at the cemetery and having a quick little "Oh my god, this guy was my brother and maybe he was a dick but I really do miss him" moment; JB could have ended on Fry's line about Seymour forgetting about him a long time ago, without showing us the tearjerking "I Will Wait for You" montage afterward.

Similarly, you could cut the love story out of TLPJF, but then why is Fry so concerned about getting back to the year 3010? Presumably he can make a life for himself at any point in time; he's done it before. But what makes 3010 so special is that Leela is there, waiting for him, and this sense of purpose propels the episode more so than a succession of wacky futures devoid of emotional subtext would have. And that's what I believe the episode would have devolved into without the Fry/Leela stuff. It's like saying that "The Why of Fry" doesn't need the Fry/Leela subplot; Nibbler probably could have convinced Fry that being frozen was a good thing for him without bringing Leela into it. But then we wouldn't have the wonderful moment where Fry acts selflessly and chooses to give up his old life for the opportunity to save the woman he loves.

It's not that I disagree with you, FoA, because I think that we're basically saying the same thing. I guess I just wanted to clarify some of my points in a very long-winded way.
johnybravowtf

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« Reply #45 on: 07-05-2011 16:50 »

I posted this in another thread, but it really should go here as well.

Maybe all these 21st century references and technologies are part of a larger plot arc. In a future episode, we'll likely see Leela walking by herself through the PE ship, only for part of the bulkhead to slide away, a female Nibblonian with an eyepatch say "No, I think she's just dreaming," and then everything return the way it was. Then Bender, along with all the other robots, will start suffering mysterious CPU process threads, seemingly caused by a patch being installed onto a digital reality. As it'll turn out, the Brainspawn have managed to destroy reality in a battle subsequently erased from human memory, and the entire universe is running as a hologrammatic simulation extracted from Fry's memories, hence the numerous contemporary references. The robots are the only ones who realize this, however, hence the patch to try and distract them from their suspicions, and of course, the heavy Bender-centric nature of this season's episodes and the introduction of a "cloud" plane that only robots can enter. Leela, meanwhile, pregnant with Fry's child, the only one who can defeat the Brainspawn and restore the universe, has been kidnapped by the Nibblonians and kept physically safe, plugged into the same virtual simulation that everyone else is living in, but in order to keep psychological indications of her pregnancy from showing, they've had to mask her feelings for Fry so that she is not aware of how their relationship should be progressing.

You'll see. This all makes perfect sense.

Awesome idea, now there is a chance writers will do the same. They steal ideas from fics on a regular basis.
Gorky

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« Reply #46 on: 07-05-2011 16:52 »

I wouldn't say they steal ideas (because I'm almost positive the writers avoid reading fan fiction precisely because they don't want to be blamed for cribbing someone else's ideas), but there are a number of fics that have either been negated by events in subsequent episodes, or share striking similarities with them. I choose to believe that it's all a coincidence, though.
Just Fan
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« Reply #47 on: 07-05-2011 17:13 »

I read this discussion for a long time as a guest. Registered just to say that there is fresh interview, in which Billy West spoke about the relationship of Fry and Leela:
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Whatís coming up for Fry this season?

Well, they keep talking about Fry and Leela getting together in some way, but of course, thatís always the story. But itís always interesting to see how they get together and how they undo it.

So you donít think it could last?

I hope it does. You always have to have some carrot hanging there to keep some people wondering what the heck is going on with these two. But, I donít know. Maybe a spin-off, who knows? Fry Loves Leela like Joannie Loves Chacchi.

Sorry for my bad English.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #48 on: 07-05-2011 17:22 »

Thanks for that Just Fan, welcome to PEEL! big grin
Gorky

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« Reply #49 on: 07-05-2011 17:23 »

Thanks for the link, Just Fan, and welcome to PEEL (also, your English is perfectly fine, so no worries). smile Also, what Danny said.

I kind of like how Billy himself seems a bit frustrated ("that's always the story"), but considering he's probably not sure of the direction season seven is going to take, I'll still hope against all hope that the writers finally put the will-they-or-won't-they stuff to rest, and just let Fry and Leela be a couple already.

On that note, I disagree that we need to have "some carrot hanging there," seeing as how the damn ambiguity of their relationship is precisely what I find so frustrating. If you carry the storyline out for too long, writers, it loses all meaning.
DannyJC13

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« Reply #50 on: 07-05-2011 17:51 »

"some carrot hanging there,"

Reminds of Billy's line in the Why of Fry commentary, about being hung upside down and beat with an organic carrot... laff

He likes hanging stuff and carrots. laff
Gorky

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« Reply #51 on: 07-05-2011 17:52 »

Ah, Danny, I knew that commentary run would do wonders for you. wink
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #52 on: 07-05-2011 18:04 »

On that note, I disagree that we need to have "some carrot hanging there," seeing as how the damn ambiguity of their relationship is precisely what I find so frustrating. If you carry the storyline out for too long, writers, it loses all meaning.
And that's exactly how them dating could get old. Sure at first you'd get plenty of interesting stories (although others, including myself, would likely classify some of these "perils of dating" stories more in the realm of annoying), the end result would be being painted in a corner with the relationship. You can no longer explore any other intimate relationships between Fry or Leela and some other person. And what if you did? Well then Fry and Leela would have to break up. Them then returning to dating would be a little awkward and seem contrived.


And, besides, Season 6 has given shippers them having sex canonically... albeit in the Professor and Zoidberg's bodies...
Gorky

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« Reply #53 on: 07-05-2011 18:11 »
« Last Edit on: 07-05-2011 18:14 »

I don't think the writers would really do episodes that fall into the sitcom-y, "perils of dating" realm; like I said in the previous shipping thread, at this point the decision to put Fry and Leela in a relationship would be arbitrary. Their relationship doesn't need to be alluded to in every episode (and I wouldn't want it to be; Futurama is not the Fry and Leela Half-Hour of Cutesy Love Stuff); it would only affect the shippy episodes, which would have to shift their focus from the question of "Will Fry and Leela get together?" to "Will Fry and Leela stay together?"

Also, I don't miss those episodes where Fry and Leela date other people. "How Hermes Requisitioned His Groove Back," "The Deep South," and "I Dated a Robot" are nowhere close to being my favorite episodes (and I like "The Beast with a Billion Backs" in spite of the lame-ass Colleen aspect); I love "The Cyberhouse Rules" and "The Why of Fry" and "Bender's Big Score," but all of those episodes end on a shippy Fry/Leela note anyway.
Xanfor

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« Reply #54 on: 07-05-2011 18:41 »

[...] Futurama is not the Fry and Leela Half-Hour of Cutesy Love Stuff [...]

What?! Since when? cry
El-Man

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« Reply #55 on: 07-06-2011 00:37 »

And, besides, Season 6 has given shippers them having sex canonically... albeit in the Professor and Zoidberg's bodies...

They probably just turned the lights back on to snuggle.

The vibe I'm getting from the thread is... well, to paraphrase a certain wise little green guy, "Do! Or do NOT! String not the fans along too long!".

Take that to the Producers.
spira

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« Reply #56 on: 07-06-2011 01:39 »

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Whatís coming up for Fry this season?
Well, they keep talking about Fry and Leela getting together in some way, but of course, thatís always the story. But itís always interesting to see how they get together and how they undo it.

I pretty much completely agree with Billy West here. I don't really mind the sort of unclear relationship status - I mean, it'd be nice if they could figure it out, but no real rush - as long as the writers are able to pull fresh material out of it and, like Gorky said, it isn't the focus of every episode. One thing I liked a lot was how in Ghost in the Machines, if one paid attention to Fry and Leela throughout the episode it was obvious that they cared about each other more than, in, say, Season 2 - just little things like the way he was next to her at Bender's funeral and the hug when they arrived in the Amish homeworld and the way she only slapped him twice this time. I like that. It makes my shipper soul happy, but it's not obnoxious.
Gorky

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« Reply #57 on: 07-06-2011 04:36 »

One thing I liked a lot was how in Ghost in the Machines, if one paid attention to Fry and Leela throughout the episode it was obvious that they cared about each other more than, in, say, Season 2 - just little things like the way he was next to her at Bender's funeral and the hug when they arrived in the Amish homeworld and the way she only slapped him twice this time. I like that. It makes my shipper soul happy, but it's not obnoxious.

I'm glad I'm not the only obsessive weirdo who notices the background stuff between Fry and Leela. I've been pretty pleased with the little nods to their closer-than-the-first-four-seasons relationship that the writers and/or animators have stuck in the background of certain episodes.

"Benderama," for example, had that scene of Fry and Leela watching the news on TV, and Leela's kind of sitting beside Fry on the couch with her feet tucked beneath her, and the two of them look so...casually cute, or something. At any rate, it was just unobtrusive enough that I'm assuming most non-shippers would think nothing of it--but a shipper or two might notice it and get a little smile out of it.  
spira

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« Reply #58 on: 07-06-2011 06:31 »

"Benderama," for example, had that scene of Fry and Leela watching the news on TV, and Leela's kind of sitting beside Fry on the couch with her feet tucked beneath her, and the two of them look so...casually cute, or something. At any rate, it was just unobtrusive enough that I'm assuming most non-shippers would think nothing of it--but a shipper or two might notice it and get a little smile out of it. 

YES. Exactly. I am totally an obsessive weirdo and very proud of it. I like it when the writers just sort of sneak it in there because then I don't have to listen to people complaining about "ugh Futurama is not all about Fry and Leela". Which is totally true and I completely agree, but after every F/L-centric episode there is always a comment like that on some review blog that seems to suggest that the show is now 100% awkward dating scenes and uncomfortable advances. Which it is far from. I love the Love and Rocket shot you posted a page ago. Perfect. Also like this:


d'aww, they're so freaking adorable. Someone should make a "Fry and Leela Half-Hour of Cutesy Love Stuff" video that is just things like this that make me smile.
Freako

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« Reply #59 on: 07-06-2011 09:25 »

Youtube is full of that shit.
spira

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« Reply #60 on: 07-06-2011 15:58 »

Youtube is full of that shit.

True. My apologies. haha.
Gorky

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« Reply #61 on: 07-07-2011 01:25 »

Most videos on YouTube are pretty lame, though. If I had the know-how or inclination, I'd make a Fry/Leela video, but alas. Until then, I'm perfectly content to put up framegrabs from episodes past and squee at the cuteness. Like so:



"Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles" is one of my favorite episodes, both for how well it utilizes the whole crew, and for its low-key shippiness.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #62 on: 07-07-2011 02:47 »

Ya..that is a sweet little moment right there. smile

Anyways..this is my favorite Fry and Leela Youtube video:

http://youtu.be/zaLUoipZmEQ
 

I made it like 3 years ago, lol.
Gorky

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« Reply #63 on: 07-08-2011 05:02 »

Looks like the guess I made about "Law and Oracle" having shippy undertones was incorrect (though that doesn't affect my feelings about the episode, which was pretty damn great). Oh well. At any rate, I liked how Leela said she loved a man in uniform, and the follow-up in act three where she swooned over Fry's pants because they almost met his ankles. Funny stuff.
Aki

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« Reply #64 on: 07-08-2011 15:25 »

Spoiler from "Law and Oracle" follows (not plot-destroying).

Gorky

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« Reply #65 on: 07-08-2011 15:28 »

I noticed that, too, Aki; it got a little smile from me.
Aki

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« Reply #66 on: 07-08-2011 15:33 »

Didn't think of that, but you're right. The episode had a bunch of call backs, it's nice. I also thought this was one of the season 6 episodes who had a nice shippy subtext, without really adressing it that greatly - it had Fry wanting Leela to find him sexy, it had above-mentioned spoiler thingy. Throughout the episode it was obvious that they were more than friends. I like having that in an episode, even though they may not kiss or go on a date.
Gorky

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« Reply #67 on: 07-08-2011 15:49 »

I suppose you're right. I did like how Fry perked up a little when Leela said she loved a man in uniform, and I guess you can say that part of Fry's motivation for wanting to join the police force was the possibility of impressing Leela. That said, this episode worked extremely well without any overt shippiness, and it didn't do any harm to Fry and Leela's relationship, which is all I can ask from an episode that hasn't been charged with directly addressing Fry and Leela's quasi-romance.

On that note, though:

Aki

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« Reply #68 on: 07-08-2011 15:52 »

Gorky, what is your reason for thinking "Fry Am the Eggman" might be shippy? I can see "Cold Warriors", but I can't see why "Fry Am the Eggman" would be particularly shippy.
Gorky

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« Reply #69 on: 07-08-2011 15:59 »
« Last Edit on: 07-08-2011 16:01 »

It just seems like the best candidate for shippiness, next to "Cold Warriors" and (of course) "Overclockwise." This is probably just because the episode promises to be Fry-centric, and where Fry can be found, so can Leela. It's just wild speculation on my part--and, in honesty, any of the remaining episodes have the potential to contain some shippy elements.

That's the cool thing about Futurama, actually. I mean, you wouldn't expect "Insane in the Mainframe," a wild-and-crazy episode about Fry thinking he's a robot, to contain shippy goodness. And yet it does, and it's organic to the plot and subtle and wonderful. That's why I think all the remaining episodes will possibly contain shippiness; I'm just making a semi-educated guess about which episode(s) it might be.

Also, I seem to recall Frida Waterfall speculating something similar about "Fry Am the Eggman":

Aki

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« Reply #70 on: 07-09-2011 04:20 »

I still find difficulty seeing a shippy element to "Fry Am the Eggman". To me it can be emotional, but I stick with my theory that
I don't see Leela in the picture at all. But I hope I'm wrong.
Gorky

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« Reply #71 on: 07-09-2011 04:52 »

Shippiness aside, it would honestly just be nice to see Leela play a prominent role in any episode. I may be alone in this, but I'm pretty excited for "Yo Leela Leela," as it promises to be, well, Leela-centric. She's a favorite character of mine, but one of the side-effects of trying to include every member of the PE crew prominently in every episode is that Leela (and, hell, sometimes Fry or Bender) is demoted to a supporting character; I don't see as much of her in some episodes as I would care to. And I always like seeing Fry, Leela, and Bender working as a team (now there's a ship that we don't discuss enough here: the friendship between the three main characters), so it would be cool if "Fry Am the Eggman" went that route, of the trio involved in some wacky and potentially dangerous endeavor (chiefly, raising some alien baby).
Aki

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« Reply #72 on: 07-10-2011 19:02 »

The one thing I look forward to in "Yo Leela Leela" (together with "The Silence of the Clamps", it is the episode I'm the most cynical of at the moment), is to see Leela become a star and forgetting her past life, becoming more and more involved with showbiz and (on the surface) dropping her own personality altogether, until she realizes what she has left behind - her old friends, her work, and Fry. I think it could work really well if portrayed correctly, but that must need the writers to stay away from some cheap, possibly crowd-drawing, humour.
spira

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« Reply #73 on: 07-11-2011 03:17 »

I hope "Fry Am the Eggman" ends up involving the whole trio, just because that would be fun. Like the B-plot of Route of All Evil. Good stuff, I think.

We've already had "Leela becomes a star" in A Leela of Her Own, which seems to be rated poorly by many here, so for "Yo Leela Leela" to work it's going to need to go in a very different direction. If they can pull off what Aki said up there, then I think it will be a solid episode and I will be impressed. Also, I am all for shippy goodness. Currently, though, I feel like that is a big "if".
Gorky

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« Reply #74 on: 07-11-2011 03:28 »

I hope "Fry Am the Eggman" ends up involving the whole trio, just because that would be fun. Like the B-plot of Route of All Evil. Good stuff, I think.

Oh, how I love the beer-brewing subplot in "The Route of All Evil." I also enjoy "The Honking" for how it explores the dynamic between the three main characters. And, though I loved seeing the awkwardness between Leela and Bender (and the implication that Fry was the only thing they had in common) in "Law and Oracle," I also enjoy those little touches in episodes like "My Three Suns" ("I like you!") or "The Why of Fry" (chest-bumping after getting their medals and that whole "You go, mutant girl" locker room scene) that show the two of them do kind of have soft spots for each other.
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« Reply #75 on: 07-11-2011 03:50 »

Forgot to sticky. Sorry.
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« Reply #76 on: 07-11-2011 03:55 »

The Shipping Thread is stickied now? Rise, my glorious creation, rise! big grin
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« Reply #77 on: 07-11-2011 03:55 »

I also enjoy those little touches in episodes like "My Three Suns" ("I like you!") or "The Why of Fry" (chest-bumping after getting their medals and that whole "You go, mutant girl" locker room scene) that show the two of them do kind of have soft spots for each other.

"I do know that she likes my in-your-face attitude." Oh, Bender. I think my favorite Leela/Bender moment is in The Sting when he saves Fry's gift for her. Even though that technically didn't happen, I guess, what with the coma and all.

The Honking is excellent and I really like Fear of a Bot Planet for the same reason.

Wait, yeah, the delivery in The Why of Fry... the two of them have delivered something alone together before (what) without having to resort to The Eagles. Hmm, continuity twitchiness. Ah, well, Law and Oracle is still hilarious.
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« Reply #78 on: 07-11-2011 04:00 »

Eh, Leela also said that Fry was Bender's only friend in "Ghost in the Machines," and only claims to miss Bender "at least half as much" as Fry does in "Godfellas." Her affinity for Bender seems to fluctuate according to the needs of a particular story...though, for what it's worth, both lines that I mentioned were among my favorites in their respective episodes.

Also, I rewatched "Spanish Fry" the other day, and I liked that Bender was making various wang-related jokes throughout the third act, but he's still the one to push Fry's cage to freedom at the end of the episode. "Spanish Fry" is actually an absurdly touching episode when you consider the lengths to which Leela and Bender go to save Fry's lower horn.
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« Reply #79 on: 07-11-2011 04:04 »

I have fond memories of reading the discussions in the shippy threads, and wishing I was more eloquent and better at analyzing things so I would have something worthwhile to contribute. Those days have returned. I nod my head and smile reading these posts, try to think of something to further the discussion, and... nope. Nothing.

I do have this to say- Fry and Leela fill me with sorrow, anger, fear, every emotion a shipper can display. But mostly they warm my cold heart, and though I love nearly everything about Futurama, watching their relationship develop and how it makes them change as people might be my favorite part of the whole show.
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