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Svip
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Were you ever a true fan, anyway?
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Svip
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Time to unfan this show, eh?
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DannyJC13
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It's never going to feel like 'old' Futurama, because it isn't.
But that doesn't mean it's bad or any lower in quality. IMO.
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SpaceGoldfish fromWazn
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It kind of annoyed me that all of a sudden now Leela is calling Fry her strictly platonic friend. The beginning of this season seemed to imply they were pretty much a couple now. Then nothing more was said on the matter. And now they're back to being just friends. I is are confrootsed. Or just haven't been playing close attention
Exactly, and her flirting with that gross Scottish guy felt pretty mean of her. (Especially since she hates hunters, remember Birdbot where she was willing to let the penguins starve themselves to death rather then let them get shot?) I really hate how the writers keep making Leela realize Fry is the one for her in one episode (Devil's Hands, TLPJF) and then the next episode she's either referring to him as "just a friend" or even dating some unremarkable bozo. It just feels like the Writers enjoy the "Fry pining after Leela" schtick way too much to give it up. Anyway, one thing I've been wondering recently is: Lots of weird looking aliens exist in the future, and humans also want to date them/or at least find them attractive. Kif for example is considered extremely handsome by females of many different species (including a misandrist femputer)... but why are so many people grossed out by Leela's eye? I'm guessing it's because she falls in the uncanny valley. She looks human, but thanks to her giant staring eye, freaks people out, whilst a less human looking alien doesn't. She looks very human, but because of having one eye, stops short. Personally, whenever I see more realistic looking fanart of Futurama, Leela usually looks rather creepy, even more so then Zoidberg or Kif.
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Gorky
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Exactly, and her flirting with that gross Scottish guy felt pretty mean of her. (Especially since she hates hunters, remember Birdbot where she was willing to let the penguins starve themselves to death rather then let them get shot?) I don't think she was being mean, exactly, because in her interactions with Fry that were separate from Angus, she was very kind to him (comforting him and such). The only scene where she felt maybe a bit cruel (or at least insensitive) was when she was telling Fry she had brunch plans with Angus, and that she was going to be wearing her hottest tanktop-stretch pants combo. I guess we're just in a situation where Leela loves Fry but can't commit to him, for whatever reason; where she values his friendship but doesn't want to date him; where she doesn't want to see him hurt emotionally, but still does a fair deal of the hurting. I don't want to say that we're back to square one, because there has been a definite overall change in her attitude to Fry in season six compared to the original run and the movies--but I am annoyed by the writers' inability to just make up their minds about Fry and Leela's relationship. Again, though, I have to hold out hope that "Overclockwise" will set things right, and that they will be a real couple in season seven.
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DannyJC13
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Heheheh. This show is going down the toilet.
Maybe to you, but not to others...
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meisterPOOP
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It's never going to feel like 'old' Futurama, because it isn't.
But that doesn't mean it's bad or any lower in quality. IMO.
I think that is what any1else tried to say. But apparently, Maz is too clever for her own good.
Fry's adjustment to the 31st century has played itself out. Not that he doesn't look back to his life before he was frozen. Bender's compulsion with stealing, swearing and pornography has played itself out. Not that he doesn't occasionally engage in that. That is some of the great things about the 1st run. But the characters and interaction between characters and their response to situations have developed over the years. They are familiar with each other now.
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SpaceGoldfish fromWazn
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Exactly, and her flirting with that gross Scottish guy felt pretty mean of her. (Especially since she hates hunters, remember Birdbot where she was willing to let the penguins starve themselves to death rather then let them get shot?) I don't think she was being mean, exactly, because in her interactions with Fry that were separate from Angus, she was very kind to him (comforting him and such). The only scene where she felt maybe a bit cruel (or at least insensitive) was when she was telling Fry she had brunch plans with Angus, and that she was going to be wearing her hottest tanktop-stretch pants combo. I guess we're just in a situation where Leela loves Fry but can't commit to him, for whatever reason; where she values his friendship but doesn't want to date him; where she doesn't want to see him hurt emotionally, but still does a fair deal of the hurting.
I don't want to say that we're back to square one, because there has been a definite overall change in her attitude to Fry in season six compared to the original run and the movies--but I am annoyed by the writers' inability to just make up their minds about Fry and Leela's relationship. Again, though, I have to hold out hope that "Overclockwise" will set things right, and that they will be a real couple in season seven.
Mean isn't really the right word, youre right. Tactless or insensitive works better. Leela is a very insecure individual after all, and was starved of affection for most of her life, and doesn't want to put herself in a position of being hurt, rather then her just being, as I am sure the French say: "La bitch grande". (I dunno French. The car is female but the garage is male? Right.) Still, I think its just down to the writers loving the Fry Pursuing Leela angle too much, that they are probably lost (or just think they are) without it. There are plenty of comedic moments to be mined with them as a couple, and the core dynamic doesn't have to change. Leela will actually have more reason to get on Fry's case about things that annoy her after all.
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Gorky
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Still, I think its just down to the writers loving the Fry Pursuing Leela angle too much, that they are probably lost (or just think they are) without it. There are plenty of comedic moments to be mined with them as a couple, and the core dynamic doesn't have to change. Leela will actually have more reason to get on Fry's case about things that annoy her after all.
Agreed. Apparently the writers would be out of their comfort zone, dealing with the ramifications of putting Fry and Leela in a real, committed, canonical relationship--and that scares them. But it's true that little about the show would really change, and that putting the two of them together indefinitely would open up a lot of avenues for telling different kinds of stories. This is definitely just a matter of the writers fearing change, or being unsure of their abilities, or something like that. But I am getting tired of this Fry-and-Leela-belong-together crap, especially when the writers are so eager to play up the soulmates angle without actually taking it anywhere. I've said this before, but the writers either have to put Leela and Fry together in an unambiguous way, or they have to abandon this shippy stuff altogether and just let them be friends. And I think "Overclockwise" is going to be a pivotal episode in that respect.
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Gorky
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How's that joke end? "Everyone's had a ride," right? Good stuff! And I'm just tossing this out there because it was mentioned on the Infosphere's page for "Fry Am the Egg Man," but does anyone else think it's possible that Leela was throwing herself at Angus in a convoluted scheme to save Fry from having his pet killed? I don't see it like that, I suppose because Leela showed an interest in Angus before he expressed his desire to kill Mr. Peppy, but I don't know. It does make her actions seem a bit less wishy-washy and insensitive.
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DannyJC13
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Angus really doesn't seem to be like the type of guy Leela would go for.
Although... She has been with a variety of people/aliens/mutants in the past...
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Gorky
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Nope, I don't see it. I know the writers are trying to play up Fry's devotion to her, but there are times when it just borders on making Fry look like a dogged, pathetic schmuck who refuses to take a hint and Leela look like a shallow, petty bitch stringing along a guy she has no interest in.
Oh, I agree that it's a stretch (I was just piggybacking on someone else's conjecture (sounds hot, right?)); I just figured I'd throw the possibility out there. I would have really respected the writers if they had decided to go the route of Leela seemingly hurting Fry by going after Angus, but really having pure intentions all along. As it stands, though, I don't think that was the writers' intention--and, if it was, it was waaay too vague and ambiguous for most viewers to notice. What makes this all more confusing, though, is that Leela really was showing genuine concern for Fry throughout the episode (I especially liked her telling him there was no need to kill Mr. Peppy, because he had just given her a love concussion). If the writers want to just write Fry and Leela as good friends, then they have to quit it with Fry pursuing her and professing his love and whatnot. I agree with you that it's not doing either character any favors.
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DannyJC13
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Now its just confusing and irritating.
This concept of shippiness confuses and infuriates us!
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Inquisitor Hein
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I guess I now kinda agree with what Gorky said, in the sense that perhaps there's a reason they brought this up now, so that it can be fixed later in the season. Maybe I'm just being hopeful....
The "Overclockwise" Preview clip has Fry saying "...and Leela left me". You'd think that to leave someone, you'd have to be together with that person in the first place. (On the other hand, you'd also think that a group a professional writers could make a (non) couple identifiable as such )
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futurefreak
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I don't think I'm a shipper, at all, because I found that line in the last episode hilarious!
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Svip
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Heheheh. This show is going down the toilet.
Maybe to you, but not to others...
But if I say it, it has to mean something, don't it? Pshaw.
I dunno, I am not feeling it.
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Inquisitor Hein
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Is "to wander off" really a synonym for "the leave someone" in English? (I always thought "to leave someone" had a rather obvious meaning...)
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Inquisitor Hein
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Do you mean a) "Yes, it's obvious" b) "Yes, it's a synomyn" ??
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Gorky
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You can take your leave of another person, which is similar to wandering off; the usual meaning of the phrase "to leave [someone]," though, is "to abandon a romantic partner."
As it pertains to that "Overclockwise" clip, though? Eh, the optimist in me wants to believe that Fry means Leela has left him in the romantic sense--but, based on what the writers have shown us of Fry and Leela's "relationship," I'd say they were going for the more innocuous, platonic meaning of the phrase.
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Gorky
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Seems to me that Leela doesn't undeserved even an inch of Fry's love.
Just an inch? What have you heard?
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