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Gorky
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Topic: I really like broccoli.
Wait, that's not on-topic. That's not on-topic at all.
As far as the ship goes: I was satisfied with what was done in "The Late Philip J. Fry." I think it's safe to say that--although I described this episode to my brother as "like, if 'Time Keeps on Slipping' and 'Bender's Big Score' had a baby, and also there's some 'Sting' thrown in there"--TLPJF offered us something in terms of Fry and Leela that we had never before seen. And that has to mean there's been progress, right?
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coldangel
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Haven't been around much. Just dropped in to say that I like what they're doing with the 'ship. Keeping it ongoing, but on the back-burner - ie, not a primary focus. Smart move. Of course, later down the track they'll need to dedicate an episode or two to explore it more prominently - but for now, this works really well.
...Yeah, I've been watching illegal downloads - but I will watch it again when its finally on TV here in Australia, okay?
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Svip
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...Yeah, I've been watching illegal downloads - but I will watch it again when its finally on TV here in Australia, okay?
Everyone outside the US is. Don't be so hard on yourself.
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coldangel
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Don't be so hard on yourself.
I'm always hard. .......on myself. I wonder when people will realize that airing things in one region will only cause bad-ness.
Probably about the same time they realise that nobody in the world has or will ever buy anything because it was advertised on television. But that will just about wrap things up for free-to-air.
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Svip
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Probably about the same time they realise that nobody in the world has or will ever buy anything because it was advertised on television. But that will just about wrap things up for free-to-air.
You can't really be that naïve? You can't have that much faith in humanity? Ahahaha... oh coldangel_1, the amount of trust you laid upon your fellow humans is staggering. Yes, of course, commercials draw a profit, because, SPOILER ALERT, people are stupid. And don't you ever forget it.
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TServo2049
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« Reply #570 on: 08-02-2010 21:21 »
« Last Edit on: 08-02-2010 21:32 »
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Also: has anyone noticed that the episode acronym TLPJF also abbreviates to Turanga Leela Philip J. Fry?
Great coincidence's ghost, you're right! Just one more sign that this episode was the ship breakthrough we've been waiting for since Rebirth (heck, since ITWGY, I'd say). Someone on another site/forum (NoHomers?) said that TLPJF shows that Fry and Leela are destined to be together. I was already saying the destiny thing, especially to ease my dissatisfaction with AOTKA, but yeah, TLPJF seems to prove it, right down to the acronym.
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TServo2049
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« Reply #572 on: 08-03-2010 05:36 »
« Last Edit on: 08-03-2010 05:39 »
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You're not nuts, HipNoJoe, I saw it too. In fact, that shot was the glimmer of hope I could find in "Killer App", the one little bit that gave me some optimism that they weren't backpedaling on the ship.
In hindsight, after seeing TLPJF, I really do consider that little moment to be shippy, even in the context of the rest of the episode, with all the "friend" talk and that "looking for love" line. (I wonder what Verrone was thinking -- this is the guy who wrote "The Sting", fer cryin' out loud...)
That little head-nod thing is so cute and shippy in both episodes, and in TLPJF it really does seem to be a "visual clue" as you call it.
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TServo2049
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« Reply #573 on: 08-07-2010 02:04 »
« Last Edit on: 08-07-2010 02:08 »
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I posted this in another thread. It pertains to the whole brouhaha over "I may not have a man, but..." Warning, it's long: I have no idea what the thinking was. I am not going to join the doomsayers crying "reset". It's obvious that the creative staff does have an end goal of following through with the ship - they're not Joe Quesada resetting Peter Parker's marriage to Mary Jane and throwing two decades of character development out the window (Google "Spider-Man One More Day" if you don't get the reference). However, perhaps they do think that non-shippers and casual watchers will be turned off if they play it up too much. Moonlighting is often used as an example (TV Tropes talks about this stuff in more detail than I ever could.) I, for one, would not lose interest if Fry and Leela were a couple (since Fry and Leela's characters would most certainly allow for tensions even if they were in a stable relationship), but there are fans and casual viewers of the series (like the IGN reviewer who gave TLPJF a 7.5 and considers AWITM to be the best episode) who'd prefer it if the show were completely for laughs, and consider the shippy and emotional stuff to be "sappy"/etc. I know we'd all prefer it if the ship, and these new episodes in general, were specifically written to please the diehard fans like us, but we aren't footing the bill for the series - Fox and Comedy Central are. We "nerdlingers" may feel a sense of entitlement because of our role in bringing the show back, but we alone can't keep the show alive. Like it or not, they are probably taking the general audience into consideration. I'm not trying to be an apologist. If they are indeed downplaying the ship in non-ship-focused episodes to avoid a possibility of alienating the non-shippers, casual viewers, etc., I think they're mistaken in their judgment. But I'm just postulating on why they might be doing it, and I don't think it's because they don't want Fry and Leela to end up together. Even if they vacillate on the ship in coming episodes, DXC did say that the second-to-last show will really focus on them. And since each "finale" has seemed to have come progressively closer to resolving the ship, and 6ACV25 has to serve as a "de facto series finale" in case CC doesn't order any more episodes, it must necessarily take the ship to a point beyond TDHAIP, beyond ITWGY, and beyond TLPJF. And if CC does end up renewing the series, and 6ACV25 takes the ship far enough, the creative team may well be forced to bite the bullet and make them a permanent, official couple in 7ACV and beyond. So if all else fails, just think "6ACV25, 6ACV25, 6ACV25..."
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coldangel
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Um...
"I may not have a man... (at this precise moment, because he's off over there having some kind of weird robosexual experience with the walking trash-can and neglecting me slightly)".
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DaJacksterN
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I always thought it was sort of a cut-off of "I may not have a man to dance with right now, since Fry and Bender are doing some kind of drunk disco thing." You know. I agree completely with TServo's statement. It was just a throwaway line so that the series isn't enshrouded in shippy mush (which we love, but that's because we're already so familiar with the characters) and scares away some of the potential viewers. I will add, however, that while it wasn't really a big deal it did seem unnecessary. The line wasn't needed and stung just a bit, which is irritating.
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Ralph Snart
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It was just a way to show that Leela is use to being discarded, so the comment to Nibbler would have more weight: "Wait, you're my pet, you can't break up with me."
Our dear Leela is has a rejection complex and is very defensive at times. It was a line to show her attachment to Lord Nibbler.
I did like the way the episode made it a team of Amy and Nibbler to battle the Katz instead of Leela and Nibbler.
A different ship: Nibbler has a great amount of affection for Leela. His mission is to protect "The Mighty One", but he willingly spends time with Leela, allowing her to place her "Misplaced affections" on him. The raw, juicy hams she provides don't hurt.
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TServo2049
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Awww, dat's shooooo shweeet! Great artwork, WAVer.
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Gorky
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I'll put this in spoiler territory for the benefit of you losers upright, honest citizens who haven't seen the newest episode ("The Prisoner of Benda") yet: So Fry and Leela (as Zoidberg and Farnsworth) did the deed. Are we to believe that this was their first time? Because, though I thought the ship was handled really nicely in this episode, that notion doesn't sit very well with me.
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TServo2049
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« Reply #588 on: 08-20-2010 04:51 »
« Last Edit on: 08-20-2010 04:58 »
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Watching The Prisoner of Benda. Now we know what that Farnsworth/Zoidberg makeout clip was all about. They could go ALL!...THE!...WAY! ...and they just did. Simultaneously disgusting, hilarious, and fuzzy-shippy-goodness. Looks like they've figured out how to write the upgraded 'ship and still keep it funny. Somehow, it doesn't bother me like it bothers Gorky. I don't care if they're Zoidberg and Farnsworth on the outside, as long as they're Fry and Leela on the inside, and they enjoyed it, which it looks like they did. And they seem more appreciative of each other once they're back to normal, makin' with the eyes and all...
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Gorky
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It doesn't exactly bother me from a character or storytelling aspect (because, like I said, I think the ship was well done)--it bothers me in the same way that picturing your grandparents having sex is bothersome. It's not tasteless, it's just kind of icky. But, within the context of the episode, looking beyond outward appearances is kind of the whole point--guess I just can't do it.
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TServo2049
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I do agree that I don't want to imagine what it looked like. But if they love each other more for it, more power to them. And I had an easier time watching Fry and Leela get it on as Zoidberg and Farnsworth than I did watching that "Shallow Hal" movie...
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Frisco17
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I'll put this in spoiler territory for the benefit of you losers upright, honest citizens who haven't seen the newest episode ("The Prisoner of Benda") yet:
So Fry and Leela (as Zoidberg and Farnsworth) did the deed. Are we to believe that this was their first time? Because, though I thought the ship was handled really nicely in this episode, that notion doesn't sit very well with me. Considering how quickly and carelessly Leela agreed to the Fry's "Mile Deep Club" plan, I doubt it.
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JoeyMousepad
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Hi,
Sorry for my ignorance, but can someone explain the term Shipper and ship to me? I think I've deduced a basic understanding of it from context in the posts- the SHIP is Fry and Leela's romance, and SHIPPERS are those who are interested in that storyline? Is this close?
Thanks,
Peter
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coldangel
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Sorry for my ignorance, but can someone explain the term Shipper and ship to me?
'Ship. Short for relation ship. You should feel very very silly. Just saw the latest one. Sweet and gross. Also, Fry has now had sex with one of his ancestors, and one of his descendants (even though his descendant's body was occupied by Leela's mind). Seems like an odd fixation on incest on the part of the writers.
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Frisco17
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If you ask me it was probably a combination of both. Both of them are extremely competitive but at the same time I'm not sure they would have gone to the unspeakable disgusting lengths they did with anyone else. People sometimes hate losing to those who are close to them more than losing to their enemies.
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