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Freako

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« Reply #480 on: 06-24-2010 07:31 »

You lot disappoint me.

GET ANGRY.
any1else

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« Reply #481 on: 06-24-2010 08:26 »

But Freako, it wasn't so much upsetting as it was weird.

However I agree. Crazy people need to come and complain with passion about the whole situation.
Gorky

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« Reply #482 on: 06-24-2010 12:31 »
« Last Edit on: 06-24-2010 12:35 »

Just wait for people like FistfulOfAwesome to see this episode. Dude's gonna be pissed. tongue

Once more, for the record:
leiapadme77

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« Reply #483 on: 06-25-2010 22:11 »
« Last Edit on: 06-25-2010 22:13 »

Okay, so now that I've watched  both twice...
I have to say that I was very pleased smile
"Rebirth" was great!

Now, for In A Gadda Da Leela...
My point is..Zapp is not a Shipper's nightmare. He's just Zapp. Whatever, it's over now!
Also Freako, I REFUSE TO GET ANGRY!
I am happy smile
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #484 on: 06-25-2010 23:24 »

So you all get angry about Fry/Leela in IDGDL, but nobody gets angry about Amy/Kif? Amy proposes an orgy! She even got dressed for it! But you all just let that one slide...
Gopher

Fallback Guy
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« Reply #485 on: 06-25-2010 23:28 »

Amy suggested an end-of-the-world orgy in a casual manner that, to me, suggested it was almost customary (though that would beg the question why it hadn't come up before; this isn't their first brush with the end of the world)

Her preparedness is a little harder to explain.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #486 on: 06-25-2010 23:51 »

But the key is "in a casual manner". If having an orgy is casual in the future, then why the uproar about Leela and Zapp? That was more necessary than casual.
lilkitten29

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« Reply #487 on: 06-25-2010 23:53 »

Probably it's because not as many people care for the Kif/Amy relationship. More people are interested in the Fry and Leela stuff.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #488 on: 06-25-2010 23:54 »

But the key is "in a casual manner". If having an orgy is casual in the future, then why the uproar about Leela and Zapp? That was more necessary than casual.
I don't think she was really serious about the Orgy thing. Also, come on, it's AMY. She's kinda a slut.
Again, the Zapp and Leela thing had to happen, and it's over now. She loves Fry, so that's all that matters.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #489 on: 06-25-2010 23:56 »

When since she's been with Kif has she been a slut? Once: when Kif died in Beast. And she wasn't serious? She got into a dominatrix outfit and had a whip ready!
Svip

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« Reply #490 on: 06-25-2010 23:58 »

When since she's been with Kif has she been a slut? Once: when Kif died in Beast. And she wasn't serious? She got into a dominatrix outfit and had a whip ready!

They thought they were all gonna die, wouldn't you throw an orgy for the hell of it then?  Or wear a sausage custom?
leiapadme77

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« Reply #491 on: 06-25-2010 23:59 »

When since she's been with Kif has she been a slut? Once: when Kif died in Beast. And she wasn't serious? She got into a dominatrix outfit and had a whip ready!
Okay, maybe she was serious. I think perhaps they were just using it as an excuse to put in Amy in a riduculous outfit. I really do feel bad about Amy and Kif, and I don't understand why their relationship can't be reparied, they're so cute!
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #492 on: 06-26-2010 00:00 »

When since she's been with Kif has she been a slut? Once: when Kif died in Beast. And she wasn't serious? She got into a dominatrix outfit and had a whip ready!

They thought they were all gonna die, wouldn't you throw an orgy for the hell of it then?  Or wear a sausage custom?
And yet there's a problem when Leela has sex because she thought they were all going to die?

When since she's been with Kif has she been a slut? Once: when Kif died in Beast. And she wasn't serious? She got into a dominatrix outfit and had a whip ready!
Okay, maybe she was serious. I think perhaps they were just using it as an excuse to put in Amy in a riduculous outfit. I really do feel bad about Amy and Kif, and I don't understand why their relationship can't be reparied, they're so cute!
Their relationship was repaired at the end of ITWGY. That's why I'm amazed shippers aren't angry about this.
Gorky

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« Reply #493 on: 06-26-2010 05:37 »

I think it's fair to say that people are more emotionally invested in Fry and Leela's relationship because more episodes of the series have been devoted to those two than to Kif and Amy. And I'm sure people were upset about Amy quasi-cheating on Kif with Zapp in "The Beast With a Billion Backs"--but that's because it was a plot-point, something that had a decent chunk of time devoted to it. The orgy joke was just that: a joke. More than anything, it was meant to appeal to all the horny little fanboys, anyway; it wasn't like Amy was proposing an orgy to spite Kif.

I am curious to see what the shipper reaction will be to the events of "Proposition Infinity." Me, I think Amy and Kif's relationship is sweet, and I was glad to see them reconcile in ItWGY; I'm just hoping the writers show their relationship a modicum of respect in this new episode.
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #494 on: 06-26-2010 20:54 »
« Last Edit on: 06-26-2010 21:04 »

But the key is "in a casual manner". If having an orgy is casual in the future, then why the uproar about Leela and Zapp? That was more necessary than casual.
I don't think she was really serious about the Orgy thing. Also, come on, it's AMY. She's kinda a slut.
Again, the Zapp and Leela thing had to happen, and it's over now. She loves Fry, so that's all that matters.
I agree with Gorky on the orgy/costume joke being a toss-away line and not interfering with Kif/Amy.  

I'm with Leiapadme regarding Fry/Leela.  Sure, the ending to "In A Gadda..." would be extremely upsetting in any other universe, but since we're talking about Futurama and given the history of Zapp & Leela I think we can all get over it pretty easily.  I'll bet Fry does.  If Zapp had not gotten so suddenly insecure and if Leela had been the submissive one instead of him, then it would have felt wrong, ya know?  Also, since she equated it with doing laundry, that really made it meaningless.  On the other hand, Leela was really getting into the "begetting" part before she partook of the apple of re-hydration...  Hmmm... Oh well.

P.S.: Should I be using spoiler alerts?  I'm guessing that Comedy Central's cable channel does not extend world-wide, but do the video clips they post string together into full episodes?
FistfulOAwesome

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« Reply #495 on: 06-26-2010 21:33 »

Just wait for people like FistfulOfAwesome to see this episode. Dude's gonna be pissed. tongue

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you Gorky, but I really enjoyed In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela, and all the parts with Zapp and Leela. I've got a review up on IAGDL's page, so I won't get into specifics (two or three paragraph's, tops!) but I thought the entire Garden of Eden portion was handled very well. I am very much in belief that Leela's behavior is a mixture of delirium from the dehydration and confusion from Zapp's uncharacteristically Gentlemanly attitude. As such, I think the ending is very funny on how little Leela cares about Zapp, that she would have sex with him and treat is as nothing more than a disgusting job to be taken care of, made tolerable and funny by Zapp's unwillingness and uncomfortableness with the whole situation at the time (he's embarrassed for his actions towards Leela, and feels nervous from all the gawkers).

Also, because of the way Leela sees sex with Zapp (all the conditions I mentioned), I don't feel it treads on Fry and Leela's progress from Rebirth or from earlier in IAGDL. In fact, I actually liked all the little F/L moments in IAGDL for following up on Rebirth. It showed the writers willingness to go along with that "little" development.

Umm... I'm really terribly sorry. I'm satisfied, and I actually kind-of feel bad for it. I didn't let you down too much, did I?
dilly
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« Reply #496 on: 06-27-2010 05:17 »

So we all know that Leela and Fry love each other (as proved by both Into the Wild Green Yonder and "Rebirth") but what was with the whole Zapp/Leela thing in "In-A-Gadda-Leela"? I mean, the episode was funny and great to watch but that really bugged me. It might just be that I LOVE the fact that Leela and Fry are finally together (...they are together right??) but it miffed me.
What do you guys think? Am I just a sucker for their relationship or is it just a figment of my imagination?
dilly
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« Reply #497 on: 06-27-2010 05:18 »

Grr, sorry about the italics, I'm new so I'm getting used to things
SorynArkayn

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« Reply #498 on: 06-27-2010 05:31 »

Personally, I don't want Futurama to depict Fry and Leela's loving relationship much more than they have in these two episodes. I don't want them to be depicted as a couple, because that will grow tiresome very quickly.

I don't mind if Futurama uses Fry and Leela's relationship for laughes occassionally, but I don't want the show to rely on it too much. Fry's reaction when Leela and Zapp had sex and V-GINY refused to censor it was funny, and a good example of this. However, if Fry giving Leela the trail mix for her mission wasn't part of the story later in the episode, that kind of boring relationshippy crap should be avoided.

I preferred when Fry was pining for Leela and trying and constantly failing to persuade her to date him; I always thought that was funny. But since the Futurama writers have decided to abide by ending of ItWGY and keep Fry and Leela a couple, I feel like so-called relationship humour should be kept to a minimum, so the show can focus on crazy and hilarious adventures in the future, which the show is really about.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #499 on: 06-27-2010 05:32 »

Fry and Leela aren't finally together. Fry said at the end of Rebirth that he can wait longer.
dilly
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« Reply #500 on: 06-27-2010 07:07 »

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. and although I disagree with SorynArkayn, it is nice to have Fry single again. I agree that it does make the series more fun to watch, as it does similar TV shows that use that storyline. But I don't think "that kind of boring relationshippy crap" is boring at all (then again I am a girl). I think it's corny which makes it funny although, obviously, not everyone agrees with that.
Well, I still hope that one day they WILL be together, for good. It might not happen until the show is cancelled for real (again [hopefully not any time soon]) and they have to make a series finale, but I can still hope.
Gorky

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« Reply #501 on: 06-27-2010 19:14 »

I'm terribly sorry to disappoint you Gorky, but I really enjoyed In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela, and all the parts with Zapp and Leela.

Soooo disappointed. Honestly, I expected bloodshed.

Fry and Leela aren't finally together. Fry said at the end of Rebirth that he can wait longer.

I don't think the "I can wait a little longer" thing means that the two of them aren't together. I mean, nothing was solidified, but the treatment their relationship gets in IAGDL (the kiss goodbye, the hug hello, Leela going to take Fry's hand after kicking Zapp's ass) seems to indicate that they're pursuing something beyond simple friendship. Is that the same as being together? Yeah, maybe. I mean, I don't think that the relationship will get play in every episode (and why should it?), but we shouldn't expect any "The Deep South"s or "The Cyberhouse Rules"s to come along this season. Fry and Leela may not be overtly together, but I don't see them dating other people any time soon. Based on how things were left at the end of "Rebirth", I think the writers are basically saying, "Okay, we're not resetting anything and we're not ignoring the development in their relationship thus far--but this isn't becoming the Fry and Leela Half-Hour of Love." It's that whole on-again, off-again thing DXC was talking about: a relationship exists, but it isn't going to play a part in every episode.
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #502 on: 06-28-2010 00:02 »

Personally, I don't want Futurama to depict Fry and Leela's loving relationship much more than they have in these two episodes. I don't want them to be depicted as a couple, because that will grow tiresome very quickly...
Agreed, in that too much emphasis on the relationship would get old.

I preferred when Fry was pining for Leela and trying and constantly failing to persuade her to date him; I always thought that was funny.
Go stuff yourself!

But since the Futurama writers have decided to abide by ending of ItWGY and keep Fry and Leela a couple, I feel like so-called relationship humour should be kept to a minimum, so the show can focus on crazy and hilarious adventures in the future, which the show is really about.
Agreed.
leiapadme77

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« Reply #503 on: 06-28-2010 04:41 »
« Last Edit on: 06-28-2010 04:43 »

You guys disappoint me! This thread is called Shipping High Into The Sun where are the Shippers?!?!

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say they're more 'together' than they've ever been. (and it's freaking cute love) And their relationship is even carried into In A Gadda Da Leela.
I still believe what DXC has said multiple times: that they will be together, but have their relationship bumps. IAGDL was one of those 'bumps.' And it wont always be the center of every episode, but may be in the background. I'm not saying they should get married and have babies, but I hope they do show some F/L stuff every so often.

Seriously, Fry chasing after Leela is getting OLD! It's been like 10 years. Futurama can still be funny without that. Plus this opens new doors for issues and jokes relating to Fry/Leela's relationship, which I think would end up being much funnier.
But most importantly, Fry/Leela's thing is part of what gives Futurama "Heart" and that's what seperates Futurama from shows like Family Guy, South Park, The Simpsons etc.
Futurama has HEART!
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #504 on: 06-28-2010 04:45 »

Even though Fry and Leela are now a canonical couple, hopefully the writers will continue to have Fry pursue romantic gestures. If not, then what's the point of their relationship?
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #505 on: 06-28-2010 06:55 »

I think the Futurama writers know that we'd all miss Fry pursuing Leela at least a little, and that's why the two of them aren't picking out china patterns yet. I hope the writers will be careful, though; poor handling of an important relationship has sunk many a show. I sure wouldn't want that to happen to Futurama.
i_c_weiner

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« Reply #506 on: 06-28-2010 09:51 »
« Last Edit on: 06-28-2010 09:52 »

Even though Fry and Leela are now a canonical couple, hopefully the writers will continue to have Fry pursue romantic gestures. If not, then what's the point of their relationship?
They aren't a canonical couple. Nothing has been confirmed. If anything, the on-again-off-again has been confirmed as returning.

I think the Futurama writers know that we'd all miss Fry pursuing Leela at least a little,
I would miss Fry teaching alien how to to love more.
Svip

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« Reply #507 on: 06-28-2010 14:17 »

I think the Futurama writers know that we'd all miss Fry pursuing Leela at least a little,
I would miss Fry teaching alien how to to love more.

If by that you mean transporting cargo; then yes.
HipNoJoe
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« Reply #508 on: 06-29-2010 04:12 »

I think the Futurama writers know that we'd all miss Fry pursuing Leela at least a little, and that's why the two of them aren't picking out china patterns yet. I hope the writers will be careful, though; poor handling of an important relationship has sunk many a show. I sure wouldn't want that to happen to Futurama.
Mostly true, but you're missing the bigger point.  They already have china.  Remember?  After their divorce Leela got the NFC plates and Fry got the AFC plates. 

I  wonder if they'll ever recover those memories of the time leading up to their 1st marriage.  I doubt it but it could be interesting. 

I don't know if it was done purposely, but it seems like the optimistic shippers have been given enough evidence to be hopeful that they are now a couple (I believe it, maybe because I want to) and apparently there is enough doubt sown for the pessimists or the anti-shippers to believe the contrary.  I'm confident enough about their future right now that I'm not really concerned about it.  I'm feeling a mellow glow from the increasing warmth of their relationship radiating out between the Bender gags and the Zapp goofiness and the rest of the aggregate that makes up the show.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #509 on: 06-29-2010 06:50 »

I think the Futurama writers know that we'd all miss Fry pursuing Leela at least a little, and that's why the two of them aren't picking out china patterns yet. I hope the writers will be careful, though; poor handling of an important relationship has sunk many a show. I sure wouldn't want that to happen to Futurama.
Mostly true, but you're missing the bigger point.  They already have china.  Remember?  After their divorce Leela got the NFC plates and Fry got the AFC plates.  

I  wonder if they'll ever recover those memories of the time leading up to their 1st marriage.  I doubt it but it could be interesting.  

I don't know if it was done purposely, but it seems like the optimistic shippers have been given enough evidence to be hopeful that they are now a couple (I believe it, maybe because I want to) and apparently there is enough doubt sown for the pessimists or the anti-shippers to believe the contrary.  I'm confident enough about their future right now that I'm not really concerned about it.  I'm feeling a mellow glow from the increasing warmth of their relationship radiating out between the Bender gags and the Zapp goofiness and the rest of the aggregate that makes up the show.

Yes, I feel the same way. I really admire the Futurama writers for how well they've managed the comic romance of Fry and Leela so far. There are so many pitfalls when writing a will-they/won't-they scenario; and the danger only increases once the couple in question begin committing to each other. An eternal one-sided chase gets old and can damage the characters involved. But letting them get together begs the question: where do they go from there, and how do we keep up the heat? That's why I didn't mind In-A-Gadda-Da-Leela all that much. Fry was plenty worried about Leela going off on a dangerous mission, and with Zapp no less;  and his anguish about the "consummation" at the end was touching and amusing. A little Fry-torture keeps him sympathetic and the relationship fluid. Kudos to the writers so far. Let's hope they keep stepping carefully across that particular creative minefield...
speedracer
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« Reply #510 on: 07-01-2010 04:49 »

Fry's well past the point where he has anything to prove to Leela.  If anything, I wouldn't mind seeing him snap at Leela for the ways she sometimes mistreats him -- the closest Fry's ever come to that was the dinner scene in The Farnsworth Parabox.
speedracer
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« Reply #511 on: 07-02-2010 04:37 »

Fry's well past the point where he has anything to prove to Leela.  If anything, I wouldn't mind seeing him snap at Leela for the ways she sometimes mistreats him -- the closest Fry's ever come to that was the dinner scene in The Farnsworth Parabox.

Well, this week's ep sure made me eat my words.
Gorky

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« Reply #512 on: 07-02-2010 04:55 »

Is anyone else a little confused about where Fry and Leela stand after this episode? I mean, Leela calls Fry while she's flying, which is cute; then, Fry is offended when Leela is the only person at the pizza joint who isn't following his twits. Both of those moves seem very couple-y to me. But then, after the spiel about the shame of being a cyclops with a Scottish singing butt boil, Leela tells Fry he's a good friend. Which is...okay. I don't expect her to say "boyfriend" or "lover" or "other" or anything like that--but "friend" seems non-committal. A simple "thank you" might have confused a nitpicking shipper like me less.

Then the ending: there's the hug and the cuteness, and Leela's contented look over Fry's shoulder. So, uh, they're friends who love each other and occasionally have moments? But that's not the same as dating? Because I'm all for that--it's not distracting and it's not overpowering--but I wish there was a word for the relationship stage that Fry and Leela are currently in.
speedracer
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« Reply #513 on: 07-02-2010 05:11 »

Well, Leela was about 1000x quicker to forgive Fry than you'd expect, so that counts for something.

I'm still surprised that Fry would do something that callous and flat-out lie to Leela about it.
Gorky

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« Reply #514 on: 07-02-2010 05:17 »

But I think Fry's dilemma was depicted well enough that you could buy him selling Leela out to win the contest with Bender. I mean, would you want to dive into that pool of goat...gunk? Fry is rash and impulsive; he loves Leela, sure, but in the moment he was just trying to one-up Bender and avoid a bath in the contents of a goat's intestines. And he makes it up to her in the end, by going through with the bet anyway and making himself the new, embarrassing Twitcher celebrity.
speedracer
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« Reply #515 on: 07-02-2010 05:22 »

I'd be more willing to buy it if, say, Fry had obtained the video from the PE surveillance tapes without Leela's knowledge instead of uploading it 2 seconds after Leela poured out her heart about how humiliating it was.
Gorky

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« Reply #516 on: 07-02-2010 05:28 »

This is the same Fry who snickered over V-GINY's name as the thing was threatening his very existence at the end of last week's episode; he doesn't have the greatest sense of decorum. He wasn't being malicious by putting that video of Leela online; he was just being selfish. I'll grant that Fry is rarely selfish about things concerning Leela--but, if you want to read into it way too much: Fry used to be obsessed with making Leela love him (which, as I've stated in the past, is a somewhat troubling mindset); now that he's secure in Leela's love for him, he's less worried about offending her. And that's progress. It's not a license to be a selfish asshole, but Fry didn't upload that video to embarrass Leela, per se--he was just following Bender's lead. So he's more impressionable than he is selfish.
speedracer
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« Reply #517 on: 07-02-2010 05:45 »

It's one thing to be selfish and crass.  It's another thing entirely to break someone's trust while doing it.  Essentially the same thing happened in the Simpsons episode 'Secrets of a Successful Marriage,' one of my least-favorite Simpsons episodes.
Gorky

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« Reply #518 on: 07-02-2010 05:54 »

Well I love "Secrets of a Successful Marriage", so I fear this debate must come to a standstill.

Nah, I'll give it another go: You're right that what Fry did was a major breech of trust. But on the karmic scorecard, Fry's been unselfish in matters concerning Leela far more often than he's been selfish. You see him posting the video as being out-of-character; I see it as forgivable, because after all he's gone through for Leela, he's allowed to be insensitive (unintentionally so) every once in a while. Leela's perception of what Fry did matters more, character-wise, than the audience's perception; since she's okay with the whole thing, I'm okay with it, too.

I'll admit to being flippant about this whole thing, but the tone of the episode doesn't seem to call for me to seriously interpret every action made by the characters.
CookiesOnTheFloor
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« Reply #519 on: 07-02-2010 06:53 »

I agree with Gorky about Fry's action...the writers set it up so that it's clear that he did what he did not because  he's mean or even callous...he's just a doof with a lot of weaknesses. The fact that he felt so remorseful and did something about it afterward made his betrayal work for me. If the writers keep handling the relationship this well for the rest of the season, I'll be a very happy viewer.

However, I do understand the opposing point of view. What Fry did was pretty extreme. If he hadn't felt badly almost immediately after he did it, I'd be pretty mad at the little slacker right now. (And at the writers!)
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