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coldangel

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« Reply #320 on: 09-25-2009 06:29 »
« Last Edit on: 09-25-2009 06:31 by coldangel_1 »

Meh, I always planned on becoming the Highlander.
There can be only ONE!

Exactly. evil laugh

You know, Frisco, there's apparently a remake of the first movie in the works.
It'll either be awesome or the worst thing ever made.
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« Reply #321 on: 09-25-2009 06:57 »

I'm guessing the later.
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« Reply #322 on: 09-25-2009 17:00 »

Getting back to the ship (anyone remember where we parked?), while I'm all for Fry/Leela, I admit I'm a bit worried also about where they go from Wild Green Yonder. I really believe that Fry being lovelorn enriched him as a character. If he gets what he wants from Leela, how does that change him? And the show? Are we going to get a Homer/Marge-type coupling, where the guy effs up all the time and the gal puts up with it - until she's pushed too far and she dumps him and then the guy bends over backwards to win her back? Or what?

It's a tricky thing, this will-they-or-won't-they game. It can push a show to new heights or sink it like a stone. For my part, I think that Fry and Leela should get a little closer, certainly start dating, but that Fry should remain insecure, not because of anything Leela does but because he's easily threatened by other men and jealousy-prone. Also he should slip up now and then and cause at least one big breakup between them. As for Leela, she should warm up to Fry but still remain (understandably) cautious. Anyway that's my take.

Well, we don't want the 'ship to turn out like the one in Cheers (A TV show you probably haven't heard of) and have Leela or Fry become obsessed with it and the other ignore him/her, deside to marry him/her then the other deside he/she doesn't want it. Cautious is good, but I'd rather the 'ship to have them together, take it slow, and if they do break up it'd be because Fry can't meet with Leela's high standerds and we all know that he'd probably try to do something amazing to win her back, but once again the writers have to be careful with that. We don't want a Simpson-style relationship either.

Of course I know about Cheers. I've seen the reruns. And yeah, I agree, the writers of Cheers made a mess of the Sam/Diane relationship. That's an object lesson to the writers of Futurama, one they should keep in mind with Fry/Leela. Fortunately, said writers have the whole universe and lots of characters to play with, as opposed to just a few schlubs in a claustrophobic sports bar. So hopefully the show's most interesting relationship won't be overmilked. I think that what is key to keeping the Fry/Leela bond in balance is that Leela should never play games with Fry. She should continue to be her stoic, straightforward, doubtful self in contrast to his fervent obsessiveness. And  - most importantly - neither character's dignity should be sacrificed to the 'ship. So anyway, I'm looking forward to what the writers come up with. And rooting for them all the way.
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« Reply #323 on: 09-25-2009 20:00 »

So anyway, here's the video I think I talked about earlier. It's a great and funny tribute to Leela, Fry and the 'ship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT5MQt_uucA&feature=related

(Hope it's okay to post links to the video den of iniquity that is YT)
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« Reply #324 on: 09-25-2009 20:11 »
« Last Edit on: 09-25-2009 20:14 »

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« Reply #325 on: 09-25-2009 20:13 »
« Last Edit on: 09-25-2009 20:15 »

Meh, I always planned on becoming the Highlander.
There can be only ONE!

Exactly. evil laugh

You know, Frisco, there's apparently a remake of the first movie in the works.
It'll either be awesome or the worst thing ever made.

Given that the sequels all sucked dead mutant donkey balls, it's a good bet that the remake will.
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« Reply #326 on: 09-26-2009 06:37 »

Alright, people. No more double-posting.
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« Reply #327 on: 09-26-2009 16:51 »

So hopefully the show's most interesting relationship won't be overmilked. I think that what is key to keeping the Fry/Leela bond in balance is that Leela should never play games with Fry. She should continue to be her stoic, straightforward, doubtful self in contrast to his fervent obsessiveness. And  - most importantly - neither character's dignity should be sacrificed to the 'ship. So anyway, I'm looking forward to what the writers come up with. And rooting for them all the way.

Again, well said. I'm really just repeating others here, but if handled in just the right way, this relationship can add to Futurama's depth without being too over-the-top or heavy-handed about it; the 'ship just has to be handled with subtlety and care. We know from past episodes that the writers have been able to capture some excellent moments with the show, so we can only hope that they'll use their talent to craft the best scenarios and character dynamics possible. I'm rooting for them too.
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« Reply #328 on: 09-27-2009 06:51 »

So hopefully the show's most interesting relationship won't be overmilked. I think that what is key to keeping the Fry/Leela bond in balance is that Leela should never play games with Fry. She should continue to be her stoic, straightforward, doubtful self in contrast to his fervent obsessiveness. And  - most importantly - neither character's dignity should be sacrificed to the 'ship. So anyway, I'm looking forward to what the writers come up with. And rooting for them all the way.

Again, well said. I'm really just repeating others here, but if handled in just the right way, this relationship can add to Futurama's depth without being too over-the-top or heavy-handed about it; the 'ship just has to be handled with subtlety and care. We know from past episodes that the writers have been able to capture some excellent moments with the show, so we can only hope that they'll use their talent to craft the best scenarios and character dynamics possible. I'm rooting for them too.

I think the writers will do a good job handling the 'ship. After all, this IS Futurama.
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« Reply #329 on: 09-28-2009 03:14 »

You know, Frisco, there's apparently a remake of the first movie in the works.
It'll either be awesome or the worst thing ever made.
What in the name of hell is wrong with Hollywood?  Have they run out of ideas, so they've got to now fuck up older movies?  They already remade the SciFi classic "The Day The Earth Stood Still", the remake of which, IMO, was crap (Keanu Reeves as Klatu?  SACRELIGE!).  Now they're remaking "Highlander"?  Bastards!
coldangel

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« Reply #330 on: 09-28-2009 05:21 »

To be fair, the original Day the Earth Stood Still sucked pretty hard too.
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« Reply #331 on: 09-28-2009 06:29 »

That's what I said. It was bad in 1951 and it's bad now!
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« Reply #332 on: 09-28-2009 06:46 »

Take that back or I'll sacrifice you over Robert Wise's grave!
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« Reply #333 on: 09-28-2009 07:36 »

Oh come on, it was crap. A threadbare covering wrapped around a heavy-handed and rather misguided anti-war message (don't kill each other or we'll kill you). It should be classified as a propaganda film, not sci-fi.

And the sequel just changed the message to environmentalism. The covering is still threadbare.
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« Reply #334 on: 09-28-2009 07:39 »
« Last Edit on: 09-28-2009 07:41 »

I don't think it's crap; it could have been better but, of all the 1950's scifi films, The Day The Earth Stood Still was about the only one I can watch without laughing out loud at how bad it was.  It's dated, so it looks a little silly now (if not taken in context), but back then I'll bet it frightened it's share of people.  
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« Reply #335 on: 09-28-2009 07:54 »

Peh.
Forbidden Planet's the best sci-fi of that era.
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« Reply #336 on: 09-28-2009 08:08 »

I just checked, but I couldn't find it.  Do we have a pre-existing thread for something like "Favorite Worst 1950's Scifi/Insect Fear Films"?
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« Reply #337 on: 09-29-2009 05:32 »

No, but I think we've already exhausted the subject.
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« Reply #338 on: 09-29-2009 07:58 »

No mention of any of Ed Wood's films?

Everybody has to watch Plan 9 From Outer space.
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« Reply #339 on: 09-29-2009 09:45 »

Or Manos: The Hands of Fate.

Go on, I dare you. You'll be writing letters to the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Film.
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« Reply #340 on: 09-29-2009 09:55 »

No mention of any of Ed Wood's films?

Everybody has to watch Plan 9 From Outer space.
Just posted a review in the film review thread.
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« Reply #341 on: 09-29-2009 23:05 »

Or Manos: The Hands of Fate.

Go on, I dare you. You'll be writing letters to the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Film.

No they won't. The m-master would not apr-rove.
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« Reply #342 on: 10-07-2009 00:35 »

Just watched the 6acv01 animatic and temporarily went nuts when I saw the Professor reveal the state of Leela and the others to Fry.  Then I remembered that it's Futurama.  Death and dismemberment are but a temporary inconvenience.  Here's hoping that this twist does not cause Leela to forget what had just happened.

On a side note, did anyone else wonder if the Professor had contemplated giving Amy a full safety sphere?  He's always had some kind of extra interest in her.
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« Reply #343 on: 10-07-2009 01:25 »

On a side note, did anyone else wonder if the Professor had contemplated giving Amy a full safety sphere?  He's always had some kind of extra interest in her.

Only because she has the same blood type!
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« Reply #344 on: 10-07-2009 01:31 »

Just watched the 6acv01 animatic and temporarily went nuts when I saw the Professor reveal the state of Leela and the others to Fry.  Then I remembered that it's Futurama.  Death and dismemberment are but a temporary inconvenience.  Here's hoping that this twist does not cause Leela to forget what had just happened.


Well, even if she does forget we all know that both Fry and the Professor know what happend but then again the Prof does seem to forget everything that went on the previous few seconds.

However, he did remember long enough to tell Fry.... Anyway I don't think this will be a compleat reset and if it is then I'm gonna be one hell of a pissed off shipper!
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« Reply #345 on: 10-07-2009 01:35 »

Here's hoping that this twist does not cause Leela to forget what had just happened.

You know it will.
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« Reply #346 on: 10-07-2009 01:50 »

Here's hoping that this twist does not cause Leela to forget what had just happened.
You know it will.


Why else would they have done it?
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« Reply #347 on: 10-07-2009 02:16 »

Why else would they have done it?

I'm going for shock value. Especially since we're not going to find out the resolution of their half-dead state until next July.

However, I concur with Go-a-Green-a.
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« Reply #348 on: 10-07-2009 04:32 »

Yeah, I'm with El-Man--I think this whole "rebirth" concept is less about resetting Fry and Leela's relationship, and more about simply grounding the series back in New New York by erasing the crew's fugitive past. DXC said in an interview that this season will focus on more down-to-earth stories (or at least those that aren't so epic or intergalactic)--the kind that were plentiful in the series, but not so much in the movies.

I'm remaining optimistic about the state of the ship, though: the writers haven't given us any reason to believe that they're going to reset that, specifically. The most we've gotten from them, I think, is that the relationship will be rocky or some such, which doesn't automatically mean a return to the status quo of Fry trying to win over an uninterested (and unsympathetic) Leela.
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« Reply #349 on: 10-07-2009 06:08 »

Why else would they have done it?

I'm going for shock value. Especially since we're not going to find out the resolution of their half-dead state until next July.

However, I concur with Go-a-Green-a.

I have to agree too. They aren't nearly that stupid.
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« Reply #350 on: 10-07-2009 07:14 »

Yeah, I'm with El-Man--I think this whole "rebirth" concept is less about resetting Fry and Leela's relationship, and more about simply grounding the series back in New New York by erasing the crew's fugitive past. DXC said in an interview that this season will focus on more down-to-earth stories (or at least those that aren't so epic or intergalactic)--the kind that were plentiful in the series, but not so much in the movies.

I'm remaining optimistic about the state of the ship, though: the writers haven't given us any reason to believe that they're going to reset that, specifically. The most we've gotten from them, I think, is that the relationship will be rocky or some such, which doesn't automatically mean a return to the status quo of Fry trying to win over an uninterested (and unsympathetic) Leela.

I've made enough of a fuss about this on the "New Episodes Speculation" thread, but I don't think that the crew's death is being played as a way to ground the characters/erase their fugitive past. If they wanted to do that, there are much simpler solutions that wouldn't require such a shocking, dark story (I've mentioned this before, but why wouldn't Nixon simply call of his attack dog and pardon them? Pardoning the people who saved all biological life in the universe would be a great backing to a reelection campaign). The episode's subject matter demands to be played with a level of seriousness.

Anyway, I'm up on the ship. The writers must realize at this point that the old way of pining is far played out, and that some new situations should present themselves, by way of making them date. They seem to be doing this, since DXC has said that the first episode makes it a focus (how could it not? I could imagine Fry with some survivors guilt), and we know it's the catalyst for the shenanigans that will present themselves in the time travel episode (and I'm sure there is plenty more throughtout the season).

Until given any other indication, I'm staying positive. The writers are talented, and  they seem grateful for the second chance us fans have given them. I don't think they'll mess it up.

P.S. My thoughts on the opening of Rebirth (which go on from here): http://www.peelified.com/index.php?topic=17870.msg1069315#msg1069315
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« Reply #351 on: 10-07-2009 07:21 »

Hah... I kept reading 'ship' as referring to the Planet Express Ship... I was thinking "Geez, the Professor will just build a new one. Get over it."
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« Reply #352 on: 10-07-2009 14:22 »

Or they could salvage the previous one from the nest of those viscious space-bees.

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« Reply #353 on: 10-07-2009 15:48 »

Nah... Seems a good time for a Star Trek IV moment... when, after the crew is forced to use a trashy rustbucket of a replacement ship for a while, they fly into spacedock where the shiny new Planet Express Ship-A is parked waiting for them.
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« Reply #354 on: 10-09-2009 23:40 »

I'd like to see a relationship between Scruffy and Hattie.She has been with the Professor and we really know nothing of the sexual side of Scruffy.
He could date her if he can work it around his schedule.
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« Reply #355 on: 10-10-2009 14:54 »

Oh yeah--the chemistry between the two in "Futurestock" almost overwhelmed the rest of the episode.

Seriously, though, I'm one of those people who has no desire to see the roles of tertiary characters who are really just one-note--I mean, Scruffy basically has one gag that is repeated whenever he appears, and Hattie just says "kajigger" a whole lot--expanded that much. They're funny precisely because they're not in every episode, so when we do see them, it's sort of a treat. Or at least that's my take.
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« Reply #356 on: 10-11-2009 20:20 »

we really know nothing of the sexual side of Scruffy.

He reads porn mags. What else do you need to know?

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« Reply #357 on: 10-11-2009 22:50 »

Every adult male, whether clandestinely, or in the open, reads girlie magazines.
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« Reply #358 on: 10-12-2009 00:12 »

Or they live in this century and use the internet.
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« Reply #359 on: 10-12-2009 00:21 »

Or they live in this century and use the internet.
You just reminded of that episode of South Park where they have no internet.

"There was a ghost, it slimed me!"

Now think of scruffy.

Thank you, and goodnight.
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