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Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #160 on: 06-11-2009 05:19 »
« Last Edit on: 06-11-2009 05:21 »

Eh, I don't think Leela would condone sex on the job herself, anyway. She and Fry simply sharing a bed on the ship seems innocent enough to me, because the idea that they would be bumpin' uglies on company time would be out-of-character, at least for Leela. Plus, it'd be really sweet to see them in the same bed (in a non-romantic sense); it'd do my shippy soul some good.

Well that wouldn't be too bad, but in all [lack of] seriousness, there'd have to be several shots of them doing nothing "promiscuous" other than sleeping together in the same bed, which would be kind of hard to do since it would take the subtility out of it. If there was only one shot of them sleeping together in the same bed, then fans will likely favor to assume that they were- well, you know.

Wait, correct that, fans wouldn't be too quick to assume that if they were in a committed relationship (like marriage).

Then again, if they were to do it while in the Planet Express ship, I don't seem why they wouldn't try it in other places of interests. Well that certainally wouldn't be subtle either. If anything it would be less subtle than just sleeping in a bed.
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« Reply #161 on: 06-11-2009 05:21 »

Should they move in together though?
I ask because it'd make for hilarity if Zoidberg then moved into Bender's vacated closet.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #162 on: 06-11-2009 05:25 »
« Last Edit on: 06-11-2009 05:33 »

Should they move in together though?
I ask because it'd make for hilarity if Zoidberg then moved into Bender's vacated closet.

Bender would have to move in with Fry then. "I, Roomate" made it obvious that Bender really likes Fry as company.

However, the plot that you did propose of Zoidberg replacing Fry in Bender's apartment would make for an enjoyable side-story for an episode.

On the topic, I don't know if Leela's too quick to move in with Fry- Fry isn't exactly the "cleanest" person around. Nor would Fry want to leave where he's settled too soon to go to Leela's apartment (well, at least the one she had before the internet nudist scammers imploded her complex) since it's as bare as [insert cheesy simile here]. But if any moving-in of any type were to be done, Leela would likely move into Fry and Bender's apartment. And this is just coming from a writer's perspective- Fry and Bender's apartment has been established and has had an entire episode dedicated to it's introduction early on in the series. That does mean something right there.
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« Reply #163 on: 06-11-2009 05:30 »
« Last Edit on: 06-11-2009 05:35 »

Well that wouldn't be too bad, but in all [lack of] seriousness, there'd have to be several shots of them doing nothing "promiscuous" other than sleeping together in the same bed, which would be kind of hard to do since it would take the subtility out of it. If there was only one shot of them sleeping together in the same bed, then fans will likely favor to assume that they were- well, you know.

Wait, correct that, fans wouldn't be too quick to assume that if they were in a committed relationship (like marriage).

Then again, if they were to do it while in the Planet Express ship, I don't seem why they wouldn't try it in other places of interests. Well that certainally wouldn't be subtle either. If anything it would be less subtle than just sleeping in a bed.

I think it's all a matter of how the writers choose to portray that aspect of their relationship from the get-go. If, in the season premiere, we get a pseudo-sex scene (my standard for a Futurama sex scene was set in "Mother's Day"; I'm thinking we'd see something like that between Fry and Leela...only much less disturbing and, y'know, wrinkly), then I agree with you: we might then assume that every time the two of them are seen in a bed together, they've had sex. Honestly, I don't think the writers are going to devote much screen-time to Fry and Leela's physical relationship, because it's not something that I, personally, need to see to be convinced that they're committed to one another. Some subtly dropped hints and the occassional episode containing an A- or B-plot revolving around their relationship is all I want.

Should they move in together though?

I could see that being an episode, but it's not necessarily something I need to see, or even want to see. Like DXC said in that interview: he doesn't want to domesticate them too much. The mere fact that they're together is enough for me; I don't need to see a series of sitcom-ish episodes where they deal with stuff like moving in. (I know that's not what you're suggesting, but it bears mentioning.)
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« Reply #164 on: 06-11-2009 07:41 »

When Futurama returns I think the relationship should be handled thusly: underplayed in most episodes but present (background) and an important part of the characters with an occasional episode where it's made a bigger focus. That seems to me the right way to handle it.

I concur entirely. That way they can respect continuity without really changing the dynamic of the show. Everybody wins.
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« Reply #165 on: 06-11-2009 09:57 »

Some evidence points towards a reset (ie nibbler's shadow) but surely they're much smarter than to do that, Infact it would be downright Stupid.
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« Reply #166 on: 06-11-2009 13:06 »

Speaking of reset button; when Matt Groening said he got inspired by the new Star Trek film, perhaps what he meant is how not to do it.  Eh?
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« Reply #167 on: 06-11-2009 13:08 »

We can only hope, svip, we can only hope...
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« Reply #168 on: 06-11-2009 15:33 »

I totally agree with Svip and x.B.x.

Still, I will often read Svip's discertation on why the new series will be on par with the first run and vastly superior to the movies.
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« Reply #169 on: 06-11-2009 15:42 »


On the topic, I don't know if Leela's too quick to move in with Fry- Fry isn't exactly the "cleanest" person around. Nor would Fry want to leave where he's settled too soon to go to Leela's apartment (well, at least the one she had before the internet nudist scammers imploded her complex) since it's as bare as [insert cheesy simile here]. But if any moving-in of any type were to be done, Leela would likely move into Fry and Bender's apartment. And this is just coming from a writer's perspective- Fry and Bender's apartment has been established and has had an entire episode dedicated to it's introduction early on in the series. That does mean something right there.

When Kelly and I got married, she spent a solid week prior to the wedding to "rearrange the furniture" (i.e. Burn the old furniture, buy new stuff, have her friends move the automobile transmission from the bathtub into the garage, little things like that).  It made for a few tense times between us - some that would fit perfectly in a comedy (if I wanted the damned transmission moved, I would have moved it myself, dammit!)

Then the troup of lesbians from Moolah's ranch who helped us finish painting the house really wierded Kelly out...

So there are all sorts of background comedy that can be found in a simple thing like the uber-clean and simple Leela moving into the pigsty that Fry calls a home.

I envision Leela handling a flamethrower at some point...
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« Reply #170 on: 06-11-2009 17:32 »

... I envision Leela handling a flamethrower at some point...

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Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #171 on: 06-11-2009 21:45 »

When Kelly and I got married, she spent a solid week prior to the wedding to "rearrange the furniture" (i.e. Burn the old furniture, buy new stuff, have her friends move the automobile transmission from the bathtub into the garage, little things like that).  It made for a few tense times between us - some that would fit perfectly in a comedy (if I wanted the damned transmission moved, I would have moved it myself, dammit!)

Then the troup of lesbians from Moolah's ranch who helped us finish painting the house really wierded Kelly out...

So there are all sorts of background comedy that can be found in a simple thing like the uber-clean and simple Leela moving into the pigsty that Fry calls a home.

I got to agree with Gorky on this- though it would be funny, it'd just be frivolous for an entire episode (though it would be okay for a few sequences). The bulk of Futurama episodes should be about the crew's adventures- whether it'd be throughout the universe or inside Fry's body.

If they are going to keep the relationship low-key and existent in your handful of sight gags and lines, then they'd probably want very few eventful episodes (just stick with an engagement and wedding, the audience can assume the rest). Of course, there'd still be episodes focused on the ship, but they should have the same occurrence as it would be for a Simpsons episode to showcase Homer and Marge's relationship.

But that's just my thoughts on it...

I envision Leela handling a flamethrower at some point...

Since when would Fry any man be sane enough to give Leela any woman a flamethrower?

And since when does Leela need a flamethrower? She could break Fry's neck with her thighs!
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« Reply #172 on: 06-11-2009 21:55 »


Since when would Fry any man be sane enough to give Leela any woman a flamethrower?

Oh please.  The woman owns her own harpoon, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for her to either own or have easy access to a flamethrower.

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And since when does Leela need a flamethrower? She could break Fry's neck with her thighs!

[Fry]"I never thought I'd die this way, but I had always hoped."[/Fry]  flirt

The flamethower isn't to kill Fry but to disinfect his apartment.  God knows what creatures are living in the pigsty.  (And we all know that Leela is a creature of neatness and organization, the polar opposite of Morgan Proctor.)
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« Reply #173 on: 06-11-2009 22:06 »

SNARRRRRRRTTT!!! I was just about to post a similar joke.

Quote from: Gorky
I don't need to see a series of sitcom-ish episodes where they deal with stuff like moving in.

I guess that's true. Maybe a few scenes and that's it. They sort-of already did a "moving in" episode with I, Roommate anyway.
Gorky

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« Reply #174 on: 06-11-2009 22:16 »

I'm not saying that I'm averse to episodes that are grounded in the more conventional aspects of relationships--and moving in is one of those Major Events that most shows devote an episode to--but they would have to be done in moderation, and they'd have to have a unique, Futurama-ish twist. I mean, the shippy episodes of the series had storylines that were facilitated by the futuristic setting (for example, "Time Keeps on Slipping" would not have been possible without space-travel and bad-ass gravity pumps and all that good stuff); I'd just expect the same of the shippier episodes of the new season. What's great about the shippy episodes is that they're grounded emotionally...but the plot-points themselves are wonderfully crazy and clever.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #175 on: 06-11-2009 22:22 »

Oh please.  The woman owns her own harpoon, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for her to either own or have easy access to a flamethrower.

Well, you're right there. Actually, any woman could own a flamethrower. I've seen them for sale in Williams-Sonoma.

The flamethower isn't to kill Fry but to disinfect his apartment.  God knows what creatures are living in the pigsty.  (And we all know that Leela is a creature of neatness and organization, the polar opposite of Morgan Proctor.)

True again. The amount of time that she'd spend on her hands and knees scrubbing the muck off of all the furniture there would be less economic (and fun for both parties) if they were to just burn everything and go out and buy new furniture.

I find it rather ironic that Leela has hygienic and organizational tendencies whenever she is portrayed as a rather unhygienic person ("sweaty boot rash).
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« Reply #176 on: 06-11-2009 22:25 »

I find it rather ironic that Leela has hygienic and organizational tendencies whenever she is portrayed as a rather unhygienic person ("sweaty boot rash).

Well, at least she clips those gnarly elbow talons...
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« Reply #177 on: 06-11-2009 23:18 »

I find it rather ironic that Leela has hygienic and organizational tendencies whenever she is portrayed as a rather unhygienic person ("sweaty boot rash).

I wouldn't say unhygentic as much as very athletic and active. She's shown doing alot of work on the ship, not to mention the constant ass-kicking. You're bound to work up a sweat doing that stuff. Also, the sweaty boot rash was a lie of the "I have to meet a ghost" variety.

I envision Leela handling a flamethrower at some point...

There are no words to describe how awesome that would be.
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« Reply #178 on: 06-11-2009 23:19 »


I find it rather ironic that Leela has hygienic and organizational tendencies whenever she is portrayed as a rather unhygienic person ("sweaty boot rash).

Let's not forget that her mother, a mutant who lives in a sewer, tells Leela to use mouthwash more often.

But I have an easy-out for both:

Leela wears big, heavy boots without socks.  I can tell you that from personal experience, no matter how often you bathe and use shoe deordorants (which we have seen Leela use in the tent scene with Amy in Spanish Fry), feets still smell like low tide when the boots come off at the end of the day.

Her breath:  She's portrayed as a heavy coffee drinker (and possibly a heavy alcohol drinker) which can lead to halitosis.  She just needs to use breath strips after each cup of coffee she guzzles.

Leela's just way too much a clean-freak to allow such things to exist if she had any control over them.
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« Reply #179 on: 06-11-2009 23:24 »

Her breath:  She's portrayed as a heavy coffee drinker (and possibly a heavy alcohol drinker) which can lead to halitosis.  She just needs to use breath strips after each cup of coffee she guzzles.

I've always found that an interesting part of Leela's character. Despite all of her other traits she arguably drinks as much as Fry. Take for example her brewery at the orphanarium, being the one who knew how to brew beer in Bender (a stupid scheme that she would otherwise likely disapproved of), constantly asking for beer when she was stuck at her parents in TMLH, keeping a stash in the river when they went camping, etc.
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #180 on: 06-11-2009 23:27 »

Her breath:  She's portrayed as a heavy coffee drinker (and possibly a heavy alcohol drinker) which can lead to halitosis.  She just needs to use breath strips after each cup of coffee she guzzles.

I've always found that an interesting part of Leela's character. Despite all of her other traits she arguably drinks as much as Fry. Take for example her brewery at the orphanarium, being the one who knew how to brew beer in Bender (a stupid scheme that she would otherwise likely disapproved of), constantly asking for beer when she was stuck at her parents in TMLH, keeping a stash in the river when they went camping, etc.

Yes, her drinking problem has been brought up on the commentary of "Spanish Fry".
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« Reply #181 on: 06-11-2009 23:28 »
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Leela being a closet alcoholic was the basis for a thread I started way back in 2005.  I don't even remember the name - I did have some of the shippy Leela-lovers try to crusify me for suggesting such a thing.  I think it ended with most PEELers in on-topic admitting that our favorite sewer mutant has a serious drinking problem.

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Yes, her drinking problem has been brought up on the commentary of "Spanish Fry".

No kidding?  I'll have to listen to it tonight.  Thanks for the shout-out.

(BTW, Leela - there is no such things as a "Bold Canadian Beer" no no )
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« Reply #182 on: 06-11-2009 23:35 »
« Last Edit on: 06-11-2009 23:38 »

I'm reminded of Morris's insistence that Leela drink tequila (albeit, through a silly straw) in "Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles." A genetic pre-disposition towards alcoholism, perhaps? eek

Seriously, though, I could buy Leela having a drinking problem. She talks about the kids at the orphanarium brewing their own beer in "The Route of All Evil"; that subplot does provide sufficient evidence that Leela's a fan of drinking. But then again, so are Fry and Bender. We've got a trio of ethanol enthusiasts going on here.
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« Reply #183 on: 06-11-2009 23:47 »
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Jumping into this thread thread since Tuesday's press release is like jumping between two train boxcars from one side of the track to the other- fatal and increases my chances of me being perceived as a dumbass.

Never.

F+L bunking in the same bed on the ship, but without elaboration or mention. One example.

Well, yeah, but not that blunt. I don't know how the Professor would feel about sex on the job...

But if they have to sleep over on a job (thats the point of the bunks right) then surely what they do in their cabins is their own business?

Ok I will admit that I've never slept over on a job personally so I don't know how these things actually work, but it does sound like an unwarranted intrusion of privacy, or am I just being naive?

Eh, I don't think Leela would condone sex on the job herself, anyway. She and Fry simply sharing a bed on the ship seems innocent enough to me, because the idea that they would be bumpin' uglies on company time screams "out-of-character" (at least for Leela). Plus, it'd be really sweet to see them in the same bed (in a non-romantic sense); it'd do my shippy soul some good.

I dunno... her attitude to sex seems pretty liberal to me and so long as it doesn't get in the way of the job I can't see her having any real objection to it personally, what she gets up to in the privacy of her own cabin is her own business I figure.
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« Reply #184 on: 06-12-2009 00:16 »

I dunno... her attitude to sex seems pretty liberal to me and so long as it doesn't get in the way of the job I can't see her having any real objection to it personally, what she gets up to in the privacy of her own cabin is her own business I figure.

I didn't mean to imply that Leela's a prude--there are plenty of examples in the series where she's liberal about sex. She sleeps with Zapp after knowing him for maybe six hours, and the same goes for Alcazar. And she seems gung-ho about the idea of sleeping with Chaz ("Confidentially, I may not make it back to my apartment tonight").

As for her attitude about sex at work, she chides Bender for dating his co-worker (and primary mode of transportation) in "Love and Rocket." Obviously, she has no objections to being with Fry, but I think she'd probably like to keep her personal life removed from her work life. I think it'd be kind of funny to see the two of them attempting to have some, er, alone time while on an overnight delivery--I'm just saying that it seems like a bit of a stretch for Leela's character. Not impossible, and not necessarily out-of-character (strong choice of words on my part)...just a stretch.
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« Reply #185 on: 06-12-2009 00:40 »

I think it'd be kind of funny to see the two of them attempting to have some, er, alone time while on an overnight delivery.

That would be a hilarious B Story. laff
Frida Waterfall

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« Reply #186 on: 06-12-2009 01:58 »

No kidding?  I'll have to listen to it tonight.  Thanks for the shout-out.

Be prepared: not only was "Spanish Fry"'s commentary the last commentary the Futurama writing staff did before the series was originally canceled, it was also the most annoying (props to John DiMaggio).
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« Reply #187 on: 06-12-2009 02:23 »

No kidding?  I'll have to listen to it tonight.  Thanks for the shout-out.

Be prepared: not only was "Spanish Fry"'s commentary the last commentary the Futurama writing staff did before the series was originally canceled, it was also the most annoying (props to John DiMaggio).
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« Reply #188 on: 06-12-2009 03:33 »

Alright!  We've graduated from wondering and debating if they'd ever get together to contemplating whether they're going to sleep together on a mission.  Now that's progress, baby!

Put me in the camp that thinks there could be some good material in how they adjust to being around each other in more intimate circumstances (not just in bed).  And of course, it would be sickening to see any major reset to the old frustrations.

Here's to a year of looking forward to new adventures and a year or more to enjoy them - time well spent.
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« Reply #189 on: 06-12-2009 03:36 »

Well said HNJ, well said.
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« Reply #190 on: 06-12-2009 03:55 »

I'm imagining something like Homer/Marge if Marge were a tough-as-nails ninja chick who kicked the crap out of Homer whenever he did something stupid.
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« Reply #191 on: 06-12-2009 04:26 »

He's probably be dead. I think Homer might be even stupider than Fry.....if that's possible.
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« Reply #192 on: 06-12-2009 06:38 »

But if they have to sleep over on a job (thats the point of the bunks right) then surely what they do in their cabins is their own business?

Ok I will admit that I've never slept over on a job personally so I don't know how these things actually work, but it does sound like an unwarranted intrusion of privacy, or am I just being naive?

The Professor's not paying them to have sex!
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« Reply #193 on: 06-12-2009 07:03 »

If Hermes had his way they wouldn't be paying them at all.
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« Reply #194 on: 06-12-2009 07:37 »

Sexual activity while on the clock is detected by the career chip and a fraternization charge is immediately deducted from their paycheck.
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« Reply #195 on: 06-12-2009 13:25 »

He's probably be dead. I think Homer might be even stupider than Fry.....if that's possible.

Homer is stupider than Fry.

Fry is somewhat like Dave Lister (from Red Dwarf). They can both come up with smart things to do now and then, but most of the time, just can't be assed.

Hmm... Marge as a ninja...
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« Reply #196 on: 06-12-2009 15:24 »
« Last Edit on: 06-12-2009 15:26 by Futurama_Freak1 »

Sexual activity while on the clock is detected by the career chip and a fraternization charge is immediately deducted from their paycheck.

No, they have a sex monitoring chip implanted in the hand of their choice for that,
(A Taste of Freedom)

Actually it could be both chips working together.
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« Reply #197 on: 06-12-2009 16:11 »

Sexual activity while on the clock is detected by the career chip and a fraternization charge is immediately deducted from their paycheck.

I have a feeling that this charge would be electrical rather than monetary.
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« Reply #198 on: 06-12-2009 16:26 »

Also, that would enhance the situation, well for Leela anyway.
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« Reply #199 on: 06-12-2009 20:08 »

For some reason I could see Leela chasing Fry around with jumper cables once she figures that out.
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