Anarchy_Balsac
Bending Unit
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Yes exactly, he had to break up with Universe A, but perhaps Universe 1 still has a chance, right? After all, schle'd at least find schlimself another Colleen .
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Xanfor
DOOP Secretary
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Maybe shclee visited every universe and found shclerself every Colleen...
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HipNoJoe
Bending Unit
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« Reply #363 on: 06-27-2008 13:20 »
« Last Edit on: 06-29-2008 00:00 »
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I don't think that BwaBB extinguishes Fry/Leela and I'm not suggesting that anyone posting here believes that, but I don't for a minute believe that they are even temporarily "over" each other. If you listen to the commentary... ...during the scene where Leela is painting Fry's forhead with laser aimpoints from three pistols, they joke about how twisted Kaplan's take on romance is, referring to how Fry and Leela are acting towards each other.
More significantly, just before Bender's big closing speech about how there is no great love without great jealousy, do you notice how Fry and Leela are right out front heatedly arguing with each other? Both seem passionately engaged in it. Also, I think the final heart shaped fade-out with Fry, Bender and Leela demonstrates more than just Bender's love for the other two. I agree that they have strategically separated Fry and Leela somewhat for now, perhaps in anticipation of a final reunion in Green Yonder, but the Fry/Leela thread is still there, strong as ever, more like a thick Diamondium cable; it us just buried a bit deep in this one.
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SonicPanther
Professor
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That was my major concern with the movie. Tetris could beat Pong any day... Poor Leela, she's so confused. What a shadow of a woman...
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HipNoJoe
Bending Unit
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Originally posted by Archonix: Jesus fuck I'm depressed now, and I haven't even seen it. Oh well. At least I have a wife to turn to... My condolences. I wouldn't worry too much about the fate of the Fry/Leela ship though. After a sprinkling of instances in which she congratulates Fry on his new relationship, at the end Chesty, er Leela, reveals some serious jealousy. It does seem that Fry might be truly "over" Leela, but he and Leela have a stormy argument in that final scene; if he didn't care about them, he'd just walk away. As Bender's closing speech bluntly beats us over the head with this story's shippy theme, only true love can inspire jealousy.
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NastyInThePasty
Professor
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Just for the record (and this is coming from a Fry/Leela 'shipper)... Coleen is HOT. "Woo-hoo! Bust those balls!"
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HopelessShipper
Bending Unit
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First off, I want to say hi to all of the old posters from back when, and welcome to all of the posters who've joined up since I've gone away.
The reason I'm back is simple, the movies have driven me back. At the beginning of BWABB, I thought that this would be a sort of reversal of roles, with Leela being the one actively pursing Fry who now has a steady relationship. After the fact it's painfully obvious that this is simply out of character, she prefers to be alone it would seem, maybe to an unhealthy extent.
Having not really been here for the initial feedback for Bender's Big Score, I don't know what the mass perception was, but I found the way it handled the Fry-Leela relationship to be amazingly lazy from a writing perspective. If you want to retcon out things that happened in season 4, fine explain it. (If a writer/executive producer did so in an interview, I apologize for not knowing about it.) Having it jump in the way it did was dishonest to both story line and character continuity.
All that said, I'm still being entertained, or else I wouldn't be back here on PEEL.
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Ralph Snart
Agent Provocateur
Near Death Star Inhabitant
DOOP Secretary
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If you want to retcon out things that happened in season 4, fine explain it. (If a writer/executive producer did so in an interview, I apologize for not knowing about it.) Having it jump in the way it did was dishonest to both story line and character continuity. Dude, you eight months behind me - I had that exact same argument the day I watched BBS. And no, nobody mentioned in any interviews why Season Four was being ignored, what happened after Devil's Hands, etc. It seems as if an ever-increasing number of people are disappointed with the way the "Grand Return of Futurama" was handled.
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Ralph Snart
Agent Provocateur
Near Death Star Inhabitant
DOOP Secretary
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Why can't they make a movie that has a cliffhanger at the end that says, "To Be Continued"? That way the DVD will flow much better.
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km73
Space Pope
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Yeah, I didn't have a problem with her leveling three lasers at Fry - in fact if anything it was pretty much in character! It was amply justified by the situation, in any case. It was her oversimplified capitulation to Yivo at the end that seemed far more off to me; I had more of an issue with that. Originally posted by Frisco17: The one I thought was out of character was Fry. He just seemed to be acting strange throughout the whole movie. Yes. That's an understatement; he was just as out of character in this movie as the previous one, if not more. As I've said in e-mail, he went from pining over a whale to lusting after an otherworldly tentacle-creature... I honestly don't understand what they're aiming to do with his character. They're demolishing it.
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HopelessShipper
Bending Unit
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Originally posted by Frisco17: I never really got that impression from her. The only thing I took from it was that she thought "heaven" was boring because there's no difficulty or challenges. I wasn't referring to Leela in Billion Backs, but more of a general observation in the entire series. She is constantly complaining about being alone, but then sets standards that force her to be alone. She could date some of these people in a non-romantic way, but doesn't. I submit it's because she enjoys being alone. (This is hardly an original thought in regards to Leela, but one I didn't accept until now.) What I was originally referring to was Fry's relationship to Colleen. At the beginning of the movie I thought she would be more jealous. IRL, how could you not be upset after things Devils Hands, The Sting, Love and Rocket, etc. and then he/she turns around and dates someone else at the drop of a hat? I say good for Fry, it was time to move on as it were. I still blame the writers for completely disregarding continuity. It was obvious that Leela was ready to play ball, why pretend it didn't happen? They will eventually get together, but'll be a lot less enjoyable, for me anyways. The laser thing was completely in character btw.
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Frisco17
DOOP Secretary
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I didn't think Fry was out of character in BBS at all. I think he had a right to be that depressed considering how his entire life was imploding around him (Leela/Lars, Nudar, etc). The Leelu thing wasn't that strange either because it was like his pet and it filled the void left by all his future friends when he returned to the 21st century. Also that wasn't actually Fry but Lars. Originally posted by km73: It was her oversimplified capitulation to Yivo at the end that seemed far more off to me; I had more of an issue with that.
I forgot about that. It just seemed to happend out of the blue for no reason and I found myself thinking, "what the hell just happened?" I think it would have made more sense and fit her actions from the rest of the movie better if she'd taken Yivo's offer to return to Earth and helped Bender raise his army to fight Yivo.
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Frisco17
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Sine Wave:I think he was under a pretty heavy Yivo influence. And here you say "But ahah! He said he wasn't brainwashed" and to this I say "But ahah! If he was brainwashed, he wouldn't come out and say it." Not that that's true, but it makes the movie more bearable to me. Anybody who think's he wasn't brainwashed obviously wasn't paying attention. Not only was he acting unusually evil there for a while but I also refuse to believe that he knows what the word "diction" means. It seems like something he would snicker childishly at instead of using it properly in a sentence. Brainwashing: 2 Normal: 0
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km73
Space Pope
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But he did say "symposia" once!! And the main way Fry was un-Fry-like in BBS - interesting, I just noticed that one could write that as "Bender's BS" - was that he acted so relentlessly mopey; and especially the part where he tells Amy about his feelings for Leela. Oh, also, regarding what I was saying above about Leela and jealousy, maybe the writers didn't want to use BWABB as a vehicle for that because of the ending they had in mind - ie, the way it ended, with Bender making that speech about said jealousy.
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Frisco17
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by km73: Oh, also, regarding what I was saying above about Leela and jealousy, maybe the writers didn't want to use BWABB as a vehicle for that because of the ending they had in mind - ie, the way it ended, with Bender making that speech about said jealousy. Never thought of that. Good point.
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Frisco17
DOOP Secretary
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Originally posted by Anarchy_Balsac: I wouldn't call taking away everyone's happiness and eternal life "saving" Depends how you look at it. I think I'm with Leela on this one. (Up till the end anyway.) Something just doesn't seem right about the whole thing. That plus "perfection" for eternity would get boring. Part of what makes life interesting are the challanges. So yeah I would call it saving.
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