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« Reply #280 on: 06-06-2008 09:06 »

A very provocative point you pose Archonix.  But is this only true of fictional characters as those upon a television screen?  Do we not attach our own biases to real people as well as we perceive them through our own eyes shaped by our own experiences?  I won't suggest that you are incorrect in your assertion, however, I would like to note that I believe its possible for fictional characters to be defined with certain personality traits and characters that can be observed and plainly defined in an objective manner.
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« Reply #281 on: 06-06-2008 10:13 »

Well that's not in doubt, or we wouldn't have anything to hang our own perceptions on.  smile
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« Reply #282 on: 06-07-2008 14:11 »

Ah, but the writeers do give us very specific ideas of all the characters.  The Professor IS an amoral crackpot.  Amy IS a ditz from Mars.  Zoidberg DOES smell like garbage and eats it.

Most of all, both Leela and Fry have some major personality flaws.

BTW Arch, did you get my e-mail about another PEELer?
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« Reply #283 on: 06-07-2008 14:17 »

Yes, not had chance to reply yet.
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« Reply #284 on: 06-07-2008 14:23 »

A successful character is like a properly drawn cartoon. Only a few lines are drawn on the paper; the viewer is allowed to subconsciously fill in the white spaces. This allows for greater detail and complexity than ever could be actually rendered.

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« Reply #285 on: 06-08-2008 15:06 »
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So trying to bring this back to a shippy discussion: when do you guys think Fry first realized and acknowledged the fact that he did in fact have a crush on Leela.  Was he just oblivious and acting more on impulse and hormones with the almost kisses before?  We know it had to be before War is the H-Word though.

"So any of you have a lady friend back home?"
Fry: Well I sort of have this thing for a girl I work with.
Leela "Lee Lemon": Really?!  What is she, blond, or Chinese, or cyclops..
Fry: Cyclops
Leela "Lee Lemon": Aww, she sounds sweet..


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« Reply #286 on: 06-08-2008 17:12 »

I always thought it was in "The Problem With Popplers", when Fry had the following dialogue as Leela was about to be devoured by Lrrrr:
 
Bender: I'll miss you, Leela. I know you're just a carbon based life-form, but I'll always think of you as a big pile of titanium.

Fry: What Bender means is you're really brave and smart and beautiful. And a great friend.

Yeah, Fry was probably saying that just because he though Leela was about to become Omicronian food, but I think the mild crush he had on Leela from day one really broke free after this point. Before this ep, he never really consciously pursued Leela as a romantic partner (even saying "You take her!" to the beach bully in "When Aliens Attack", a line he never would have said later in the series), but after, he was pretty much constantly begging her for dates and pining away when she routinely rejected him.  frown
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« Reply #287 on: 06-09-2008 13:08 »

I always figured it was right there from the beginning and he realised it alot more "A Flight To Remember"

Leela: "Oh, are you sure? I mean, she has two eyes, you have two eyes.'

Fry: "I know, we seem like a perfect match, but I just don't feel that way about her."

Which leads me into something else I noticed. For some reason Leela seems not only alot more receptive towards Fry before he goes all out trying to impress her but she also gets jealous when she thinks he's with somebody else.
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« Reply #288 on: 06-09-2008 14:08 »
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Fry just needs to stop chasing her. Let her come to him. The vibe I've get from her is she doesn't want to be persued by him and like Frisco said she seems to like him more when he's not chasing her for dates. And he should totally date other girls he needs to stop pioning over Leela and date others.
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« Reply #289 on: 06-09-2008 14:32 »

 
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Fry just needs to stop chasing her. Let her come to him. The vibe I've get from her is she doesn't want to be persued by him and like Frisco said she seems to like him more when he's not chasing her for dates. And he should totally date other girls he needs to stop pioning over Leela and date others.

Part of the answer is in the spoiler tag.


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« Reply #290 on: 06-09-2008 15:09 »

 
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You must admit, however, that Fry replied flawlessly to that accusation.
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« Reply #291 on: 06-09-2008 15:10 »
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I agree about her being nuts. Seriously she has like mulitple personalities or something.
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« Reply #292 on: 06-09-2008 15:23 »

You didn't expect it to stay up forever, did you?
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« Reply #293 on: 06-09-2008 15:26 »

No I didn't I was justing hoping that it wouldn't get found before I finished it. If I had skipped my 7th period class I would have finished it, or if I had utilized the tabs oh well...
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« Reply #294 on: 06-09-2008 17:49 »

Having studiously refused all access to spoilerific downloads of BWABB I cannot say for sure my opinion of the scene in question. However...


To put it another way, holding one side of this relationship responsible for all it's apparent problems is simply unfair.
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« Reply #295 on: 06-09-2008 18:37 »

If you don't want "The Beast with a Billion Backs" spoiled, don't read this spoilerific comment.

If you don't want to know anything about the plotline for the fourth movie, don't read this spoiler. However, it contains all information released to most mainstream Futurama sites, so this spoiler-foresight may not affect your viewing experience one bit.

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« Reply #296 on: 06-09-2008 19:02 »

I like that. That seems to be a very feasable plot line for ITWGY, Frida.
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« Reply #297 on: 06-09-2008 20:53 »
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To put it another way, holding one side of this relationship responsible for all it's apparent problems is simply unfair.


I actually got an e-mail today stating that this person likes my extremist views on Leela.  Now I don't know if that's because they agree with me or they just like the fact that I've graduated from being a blind Leela fan-boy and can make some controversial statements that adds to the discussion and commentary.

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« Reply #298 on: 06-09-2008 21:11 »

She does enjoy it and I don't know why. She definatly comes off as a heartles bitch and she seems to be getting more and more nito that and it's pissing me off.
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« Reply #299 on: 06-09-2008 21:48 »

 
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« Reply #300 on: 06-09-2008 22:17 »
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Agreed Xan. He's finally showing signs of getting over her. Maybe now she'll see that she actually love him or he'll find some one who really loves him and will stay with him and Leela will be left to wonder what she lost.

By  the way Xan love the signature  big grin
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« Reply #301 on: 06-09-2008 22:47 »

Well I'm thoroughly confused. Being probably the only person who hasn't seen the movie yet I'm probably taking alot of things out of context but it seems to be taking a rather depressing turn.
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« Reply #302 on: 06-09-2008 23:26 »

 
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« Reply #303 on: 06-10-2008 00:00 »

Maybe Leela and I are very similar.... I never thought about her enjoying misery and loneliness, but that makes more sense than most anything else I've heard yet.... it might be totally subconcious, but it seems realistic.
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« Reply #304 on: 06-10-2008 08:56 »

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« Reply #305 on: 06-10-2008 12:12 »

 
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I have to agree with Ralph on this one. I think they're screwing with the characters so much (ie: Fry going out with Colleen, Leela being alittle nuts) to add more conflict and drag things out longer. Trying to milk it until ITWGY in my opinion.

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« Reply #306 on: 06-10-2008 13:19 »

One good movie would have been better...
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« Reply #307 on: 06-10-2008 13:57 »

There I agree with you. I think they're trying to play up the drama too much. You can have drama and all that stuff but don't do it at the expense of comedy.
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« Reply #308 on: 06-10-2008 14:02 »

Unless you're a fanfic writer.  big grin
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« Reply #309 on: 06-10-2008 14:04 »

This is true.
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« Reply #310 on: 06-10-2008 14:07 »
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Or Not    tongue

 
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A successful character is like a properly drawn cartoon. Only a few lines are drawn on the paper; the viewer is allowed to subconsciously fill in the white spaces. This allows for greater detail and complexity than ever could be actually rendered.
While I'm here lemme just agree all sorts with this.  Leela's not actually as filled out as many people make her out to be (lol immature pun).  This is going to sound corny, but I think how we see and describe Leela with her many many flaws is affected mostly by how we see ourselves and others in the real world.  On paper, she's really just an somewhat interesting dichotomy of arrogance and innate insecurity. 
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« Reply #311 on: 06-10-2008 21:09 »

I absolutely agree that she isn't as 'filled out' as a lot of people seem to think, because everyone adds their own conceptions and extrapolates things that aren't there or are never specified in the show, but I don't personally see the arrogance or insecurity either. Well, some insecurity, okay, but generally if you look at her realistically she's just another character--not all that complex, and certainly nothing to justify the way BAD fanfic writers sometimes treat her: making speeches to herself and such.

Also, what the fuck hell?? Has EVERYBODY except me seen the movie now?
When the hell did this happen?
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« Reply #312 on: 06-10-2008 21:35 »

I like that people can add their own perceptions about the character but Leela seems to get the most of it because of how we have seen her personality and how she treats Fry.

Between today and 2 or 3 days ago, I think km.
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« Reply #313 on: 06-10-2008 21:51 »
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Ok, I haven't checked in recently, and I do apologize for asking obvious questions, but it would be great if someone answered my question.. Has BwaBB been released yet? Alot of you, according to the spoilers, seem to have watched this movie. But when I check amazon.com and what not, this movie isn't coming out in 14 days. Stupid question, Im sure, but I would definitely appreciate an answer. Thanks.

Regarding the Fry/Leela relationship, it doesn't surprise me how the writing turned out. After all, in season four, there were alot of episodes where Fry & Leela were committed, but the next episode it was like whatever, that never happened.
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« Reply #314 on: 06-10-2008 22:07 »

The reset button strikes again.

WAVer we have our ways. The release date is definatly 14 days from now though.
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« Reply #315 on: 06-10-2008 22:10 »

Yeah... conversations about the movie should probably be reserved until after it's officially released perhaps?

I'm sure it's great and all from the trailer we've seen and what not....

Also, I don't see it as that odd for Fry to date other people.... He and Leela haven't exactly come together for anything official (excepting Time Keeps on Slipping, alternate universes don't count) and he should be able to take what he can get.  Fry and Leela certainly have a special place in their hearts for each other, they're pretty good friends with or without the romance.

I suppose I'll talk about this more after the second movie comes out perhaps....
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« Reply #316 on: 06-10-2008 22:25 »
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Maybe Leela and I are very similar.... I never thought about her enjoying misery and loneliness, but that makes more sense than most anything else I've heard yet.... it might be totally subconcious, but it seems realistic.

I seem to be one of the few who has not seen the movie yet (does not bother me, actually) so I do not know the extent of Leela's comments.  I can relate to the enjoying loneliness comment (but definately NOT the misery).  The only perspective I can draw is from my age range- I am older than Leela but only by a few years. Something seems to happen around 35 years old (and I think this applies to both women and men) where if you have not found a significant other you come to get used to being alone and in charge of your life and come to enjoy it so it gets harder to open to a relationship... but that does not mean you cut off all social ties.  Many of us (me included) have very active and fun social lives and do lots of volunteer work so we have great friends.  We just are not out on the meet market singles scene.  We are open to a relationship definately, but in the right place and the right time.  Leela and Fry are reaching that age.  Leela loves her freedom and values solitude, like me, but I sure hope (and remember I have not seen the movies) she has NOT dropped all contact with humanity.  That is not healthy.  Well, I will have to see the video to know for sure.  I just posted this to show that those of us who are happily single and older are also happily part of every day society and not at all social reclusives.  I just wished Fry and Leela were, too. 
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« Reply #317 on: 06-10-2008 22:28 »
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The reset button strikes again.

WAVer we have our ways. The release date is definatly 14 days from now though.

You mean like, using programs to download and view the movie? I know all about that, bro, though I don't use them myself. (Honestly). Regardless, I just wasn't completely sure, so I thought I'd ask. Whether or not that's the case or no, it doesn't matter. This movie should be stellar, alot better than the first one.

Regarding Fry, I completely support him dating other ladies. I am definitely a much bigger fan of Fry and I am of Leela, but I would definitely perfer to see him and Leela end up together. Regardless, Fry is my hero.    cool
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« Reply #318 on: 06-10-2008 22:42 »
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I found BWABB early via a freak accident involving a rubber band, a kettle, my lapel, its aformentioned carrot, a random YouTube url, a knot consisting of several pieces of old string, the oil well beneath my basement, and MacGyver's seldom-seen-on-screen sonic screwdriver. Which was quite probably evil and in use somewhere in Project Satan.

 
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Something seems to happen around 35 years old (and I think this applies to both women and men) where if you have not found a significant other you come to get used to being alone and in charge of your life and come to enjoy it so it gets harder to open to a relationship... but that does not mean you cut off all social ties.  Many of us (me included) have very active and fun social lives and do lots of volunteer work so we have great friends.  We just are not out on the meet market singles scene.  We are open to a relationship definately, but in the right place and the right time.

Allow me to agree with that. Also, members of the opposite gender begin to actually believe you when you say all you're after is a friendship.
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« Reply #319 on: 06-10-2008 22:57 »

Haha nice Xan.

I want Fry to date other women he just needs to move on from Leela and find someone who will except him for who he is imperfections and all.

WAVer I didn't use any programs, I got the links from someone. He knows who he is...
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