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winna

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« Reply #160 on: 05-17-2008 11:52 »

Well what we're talking about is in relation to the relationships the characters have... we have to understand their character to understand how and why they interact.

The creators of the show said something similar to what you just noted... Bender works as a bad person because he's a robot, had he been human, it probably wouldn't have.  And I think the reason we can laugh about it is because Bender isn't held to the same standards as humans... we evaluate him differently.  I think he is trying to be human a good portion of the time though, and that's why I think he's a good person.  It's possible he can't fully understand the full ranges of humanity, but he seems to try and emulate them; he does portray human emotions, and he does see himself close to human beings as friends.... so much so that the thievery and the taking of friends blood and cutting them with broken beer bottles doesn't matter.  They have strong bonds.  Even though he emulates humanity in certain ways, he's still strictly planted within his robotic roots, and proudly so... but I think if push came to shove, Bender would be someone I'd like to have in my corner when stuff hit the fan... he's the kind of person who wouldn't ask questions.
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« Reply #161 on: 05-17-2008 12:28 »

Wow, I've been away from this thread for too long.

I'm with Gassy on why I love Bender. He's a robot with a horibble human personality which makes it funny. I probably wouldn't like Bender if he was a human because he would be a complete bastard and probably would't be funny with his dislike of all humans except his friends. Like winna said to Bender does try to be a little human he even has some emotions like km mentioned when he went out of his way to save Fry and Leela in BGM even though it was one of his dreams to be in the mafia. He cares for his friends though he does'nt show it all the time but he as much as he tries to be a little more human he's never going to get there because he's still a robot.

I feel stupid I'm basiaclly reiterated what Winna and Gassy have said and I don't think it made sense.


Ralph I would be sad to see you leave. Your helpful and nice most of the time except when you get mad at something or someone.

Zim- Why is there bacon in the soap?!?!

Gir- I made it myself!
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« Reply #162 on: 05-17-2008 12:44 »
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You said what you meant in your own words Bendersfan1221, that's why we communicate.. to reiterate ideas that seem reasonable and see different sides.. to keep the ones that seem likely.  Also, you make sense... it's not confusing.

And I've probably said my peace on Ralph... but I'm sure people saying something means a lot to him.  I think when he gets mad he's still got good intentions (most of the times I think its funny)..  I think there are a lot of people that look upto him and respect him... here and elsewhere.  Hopefully something minor is upsetting him; things like that can be gotten over and fixed.   smile
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« Reply #163 on: 05-17-2008 12:58 »

 
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Originally posted by winna:
You said what you meant in your own words Bendersfan1221, that's why we communicate.. to reiterate ideas that seem reasonable and see different sides.. to keep the ones that seem likely.  Also, you make sense... it's not confusing.

And I've probably said my peace on Ralph... but I'm sure people saying something means a lot to him.  I think when he gets mad he's still got good intentions (most of the times I think its funny)..  I think there are a lot of people that look upto him and respect him... here and elsewhere.  Hopefully something minor is upsetting him; things like that can be gotten over and fixed.    smile

Thanks winna.

I agree with you about Ralph. He's a replected and pretty well know PEELer. I can only hope that one day I get to that point. I definatly look up to him. He alwas gets his opinions out ther nad he can defend them well.

Zim- Why is there bacon in the soap?!?!

Gir- I made it myself!
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« Reply #164 on: 05-17-2008 14:50 »

Sorry this goes on a bit, it Concerns Ralph, Peel and our community at large!

Ralph IS a very important part of peel, which is why I think it would be folly for him to get into a terrible rage and possibly get banned.
I took about a month away from here, because I was frustrated with some things, but also because I had to clarify for myself that i still had an identity outwith the internet. I think it can be both a great and dangerous thing using the internet as a channel of social interaction. The problem is it is a very limited form of social interaction given the current limitation set by predominately keyboard / screen only as a means of communicating with other human beings.
I suspect a lot of people here probably have difficulties with normal face to face social interaction, I do myself at times even though I work in a job that has communication at its core. it is a good thing therefore that the internet can help bridge these difficulties. The danger however that by becoming a complete substitute for normal social interaction that the difficuties are never addressed and the more we utilise this medium to avoid them our social anxieties are increasingly harder to transcend.

I have went off at a tangent but felt I needed to offer some explanation for my abscence. Also my other point going back to where I started, was that if Ralph is frustrated with this place he too could benefit from a break, rather than complete departure.
I have returned with renewed enthusiasm and with a realisation that some of the people here, though I've never met them face to face have made an impact on my life and during my abscence from people I was still mindfull of the thoughts these individuals had impressed on me.
The problem I see with Peel and that which principally caused the antagonism that drove me away was that there is a clear divide in the community. That is between the members who predominately frequent the on topic and those who predominately in some cases only the off-topic domain.
There are others who cross the boundaries, and I would add that it is these members by and large for whom I have the greatest respect. They are core and an integral part of the fabric that keeps this community alive. Of relevance here, Ralph is one of these such people and his permanent departure would be a terrible blow to www.peelified.com 
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« Reply #165 on: 05-17-2008 17:22 »

Well said Gaschief.

Ralph may, of course, stay or leave as he pleases.
If he stays, so much the better.
If he leaves... well... P.E.E.L. will be lessened for loosing him, and I, for one, will miss his comments, observations, and tart humor.

I wouldn't presume to tell him what to do, but I hope he chooses to stay.
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« Reply #166 on: 05-17-2008 18:32 »
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Originally posted by winna:

Do you think it's like a message board?

Will we get new features?  The ability to post our own avatars... things like that?

Yes, winna, we shall. And we will walk alongside with the ÜberMods in glorious eternal praise of the Administrative Trinity. There will never be spam, or trolls. Spellling and errors grammar shalt nevermore pass forth from our keys, and there shall be no more crashes...
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« Reply #167 on: 05-17-2008 20:06 »

Amen.
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« Reply #168 on: 05-17-2008 20:41 »
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@Bender'sFan 1221- I like your comments.  You add logic to the ones made before and support them and your comments are very interesting.  Bender's not my fave character on the show, but I still love him because he is important to the show.  I love the way he always quotes human liberal art stuff, like classical literature quotes and art masterpieces.  For example he has invoked Bodicelli's Venus, John Donne ("Ask not for whom the bell tolls.../ Ask not for whom the bone bones)", references to Sweet Poseidon a la Homer's Illiad and Odyssey and Bender's playing "Polainaise in C minor"  in "Godfellas."  He states he hates humans and he does some horrible things to his friends, but he is still enamored of human culture. Plus he also enjoys cooking as a hobby and has started to gain some real skill in it even though robots cannot taste- that alone is evidence of his secret fascination for humanoids, even if he does not want to admit it.    In a way he reminds me a dysfunctional version of Star Trek's Data who also was enamored of human culture.

And, on ship topics- can we mention couples who are couples already but we admire them?  Or is that not shipping?  I am still new here, so I am not sure of the definitions, but I sure want to honor Morris and Munda if I can and if that is allowed in this thread...

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« Reply #169 on: 05-17-2008 20:58 »

I would assume it is.  wink

Morris reminds me of Fry, oddly enough. Maybe Fry after 30 years of living in a sewer with a slightly bossy wife...
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« Reply #170 on: 05-17-2008 21:38 »
« Last Edit on: 05-17-2008 21:38 »

Could be... though Morris is by no means submissive and he  never really seems to give in to Munda.  He acknowledges her complaints and she acknowledges his so to me they are an eqal couple. Yes, she may be bossy on the surface (I did not see her as that but as a loving woman trying to make the best decision for her baby along with the consent of her husband) , but she loves her husband  to death and would never make a decision without his input- they are a cute down to earth couple, but they respect each other and love each other.   I never saw Munda as bossy so much as concerned with  keeping the house and community going...  to me it shows through she loves and respects her husband a lot.  She will grumble to him from time to time, but  overall she loves him a lot, and he loves her a lot, too.  I like that about them- they know they are not perfect and they gave up the child they loved more than life itself, but they still love each other and stick up for each other even if they bicker from time to time.  The fact that Leela came back to them is very sweet- the three of them can relate to one another- it is not perfect, but I have to admit Morris and Munda are very liberal and open minded and kind in getting to know Leela again.  It is quite cute that she wants them to be  more parental when they are so delighted to have her back and appreciate her company that they are very wise in "Teenage Mutant Leela's Hurdles" though it is a wisdom one might not notice right away.  That is one of my main  BBS complaints  is that Morris and Munda had to watch their daughter's wedding as pariahs undergound.  That went against earlier episodes where Leela's parents could go above ground with permission. It bothered me that their daughter's wedding was not a good enough occasion they could go above ground? ... Let's hope if there is a future wedding that is for real for once (and involves Fry???) Morris and Munda can come above ground to enjoy their daughter's happiness. It only seems natural... everyone benefits. 
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« Reply #171 on: 05-17-2008 22:02 »
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 No... they don't

I realise that. It was more of a veiled threat that I'd hire someone to bring them back. Hence the evil laughter.

     
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Originally posted by Archonix:
I would assume it is.

Morris reminds me of Fry, oddly enough. Maybe Fry after 30 years of living in a sewer with a slightly bossy wife...

I've thought that quite often actually. Nice to see I'm not totally insane.

Morris: "No beer until you finish your tequila!"

If that isn't Fry as a dad I don't know what is.  laff
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« Reply #172 on: 05-17-2008 22:06 »
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It bothered me that their daughter's wedding was not a good enough occasion they could go above ground? ... Let's hope if there is a future wedding that is for real for once (and involves Fry???) Morris and Munda can come above ground to enjoy their daughter's happiness. It only seems natural... everyone benefits.

I'm one of those fans who firmly believe that Leela's parents should definitely attend her wedding and participate in her wedding like any other parents of the bride, such as Morris escorting her down to the altar and the traditional bride and father-of-the-bride dance together. Back some many months ago when the exclusive comic at the 2007 Comic-Con was posted online which revealed that Leela will have a wedding in the movie, I was one of the first to bring up whether or not Leela's mutant parents would be in attendance and continued on until the movie was released and the question was answered. However, since I have yet to write-up my "Bender's Big Score" review, I want to mention this knowing that this won't be featured in the review.

As much as I detest "Bender's Big Score" and the creation of an alternate Fry and as much as I am convinced that Leela's wedding would include her parents, I have actually accepted the fact that Morris and Munda did not attend Leela's wedding in the film. Furthermore, I should add that it is probably in a greater interest to keep them below ground for that scene in favor of the condition of the universe at that time.

You see, us PEELers are fans of the show (or we're supposed to be, as we kind of informally pledged that when we joined). As fans, we are to support the base of fandom, encourage fandom of the base with others, provide a source of constructive criticism for the brains behind the base to benefit from and hopefully improve on, analyze the base deeply in a religious manner, and provide in-depth explanations for goofs and plotholes in the base. Let me, a fan, provide an in-depth explanation for goofs and plotholes in my select base, Futurama.

During the period of time when Leela's wedding in "Bender's Big Score" was being planned, Earth had just entered a depression. Many businesses and homes were scammed out of ownership, and the government was gradually being overtaken by the trio of alien nudist scammers. Since citizens could not afford food, restaurants such as Elzar's could not make enough business on the broke planet of Earth and had to provide services for low prices or for free, which explains why a soup kitchen opened and why Lars and Leela were being offered cheap catering for their reception. Have any of you noticed that Leela's wedding was packed with odd characters? It's possible that Lars and Leela just invited anybody to the wedding at the church, considering nobody at that time had a job or anything else better to do. In fact, did you ever begin to look at the fact that Lars and Leela were only permitted two full days to plan an entire wedding? The two were probably in a rush to get hitched before they have to ditch Earth, or there's the possibility that two days was all they needed considering that they had a lot of time on their hands without a job to go to and not enough money to spend on as many arrangements for the typical wedding.

Getting on to the main point, the government was either too unstable or busy at the moment to issue one-day surface mutant passes for Leela's parents or Leela and Lars were unable to afford one-day mutant surfaces passes.

I hope I haven't overanalyzed this...
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« Reply #173 on: 05-18-2008 00:00 »

 
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I hope I haven't overanalyzed this...

Never. Anyways, you owe me a nickel for the use of the PEEL time machine.

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« Reply #174 on: 05-18-2008 12:37 »

That actually makes alot of sense.
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« Reply #175 on: 05-18-2008 12:43 »

 
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I love the way he always quotes human liberal art stuff, like classical literature quotes and art masterpieces.  For example he has invoked Bodicelli's Venus, John Donne ("Ask not for whom the bell tolls.../ Ask not for whom the bone bones)", references to Sweet Poseidon a la Homer's Illiad and Odyssey and Bender's playing "Polainaise in C minor"  in "Godfellas."   

My favorite is probably when he uses "old sport" from The Great Gatsby in BGM (another reason I like that episode).

On the subject of Morris and Munda, I think it's probably for the best that they had only a limited role in the series. The focus had always generally been on Leela as being very independent though also occasionally bitter at her orphan-status, and like some others I feel that if her parents had started to become too much of a feature it might have impacted her personality.
Then again it might be interesting to see where the writers would have gone with that. Given the chance.

And I too like the Bender/Leela/Fry friendship-triumvirate. That dynamic helped make the first season so great.

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« Reply #176 on: 05-18-2008 22:48 »

 
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And I too like the Bender/Leela/Fry friendship-triumvirate. That dynamic helped make the first season so great.

Couldn't agree more.
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« Reply #177 on: 05-19-2008 13:50 »

Hey, have we ever talked about Leo/Inez?

They seem like a pretty stable couple..
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« Reply #178 on: 05-19-2008 19:17 »
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They seem like it but then in Where the Buggalo Roam there is this:

 
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Leo: Aye-ah! Those buggalo are what made Wong family so rich and powerful. Oh, Inez, with them stolen, we ruined!
Inez: OK. I want a divorce.

So I'm not sure exactly how stable they are I gues as long as they are rich they are very stable.
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« Reply #179 on: 05-19-2008 20:36 »

Damn.. I had forgotten that quote.  I agree, it seems like as long as they're rich, they're happy together.
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« Reply #180 on: 05-19-2008 21:46 »

At this point the only stable relationship I can think of is Leela's parents.
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« Reply #181 on: 05-19-2008 21:50 »

Kif and Amy seem pretty stable.  They hit a rough patch in KGKUAN, but they got through it and seem more in love than ever.
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« Reply #182 on: 05-19-2008 22:14 »

That's true. I was going to include them but I thought better of it. Now, with about a half hour's hindsight, I can't seem to remember why.
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« Reply #183 on: 05-19-2008 22:35 »

Nice Frisco... Thats odd the there are only 2 stable relationships in the series. Well 3 if you count Amy's parents who seem to be stable as long as the Wongs are rich. I hope that they start developing more stable relationships soon.
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« Reply #184 on: 05-19-2008 23:38 »
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I have not read many of the Futurama comics but there seems to be a nice section in the anthology "Futurama-o-Rama" that Inez plays a nice role, one that does some good justice to the Leo-Inez ship. It's not perfect, but it makes Inez show herself as an interesting multidimensional character.

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« Reply #185 on: 05-20-2008 18:07 »

Speaking of which, coldangel posted this a while ago from the comics...



Apparently an alien invasion interrupts the moment. Ain't that always the way? I speak from experience.
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« Reply #186 on: 05-20-2008 18:24 »

That is really cute! Thanks for sharing!
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« Reply #187 on: 05-20-2008 18:51 »

Well they obviously have better artists for the Futurama comics...
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« Reply #188 on: 05-20-2008 19:44 »

Alien invasions make her horny. I can relate.
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« Reply #189 on: 05-20-2008 21:34 »

Cute and sweet. I don't doubt that colds.
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« Reply #190 on: 05-20-2008 21:50 »
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Which comic is that? I don't remember ever seeing that one?
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« Reply #191 on: 05-21-2008 22:39 »

#21. My favorite.

You should hear my voice for those aliens, man.
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« Reply #192 on: 05-22-2008 01:01 »

I wish I could, my lady.  I sure do wish I had the dinero to buy the comics as well as the movies.  I am glad to hear we have comic supporters on this board so we can all enjoy your views! Go you!
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« Reply #193 on: 05-22-2008 04:07 »

Comics aren't canon though. The comic medium gets no love.
Archonix

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« Reply #194 on: 05-22-2008 04:17 »

Like the books in Star Trek - Officially endorsed fanfiction.  big grin

Shame Groening/Cohen and co don't do something similar for Futurama. More than a few people here would make a mint.
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« Reply #195 on: 05-22-2008 07:32 »

If I could make a mint my breath would be fresh all the time. Unfortunately all I can make is butterscotch.
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« Reply #196 on: 05-22-2008 12:50 »

Whenever I make a mint I never am able to spend it anywhere.  People keep bringing up this strange thing called "Legal Tender."  I am sure the Bank of Mustang does exist in some dimension.
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« Reply #197 on: 05-22-2008 13:05 »

Probably the fourth... but tesseracts are hard to fit into pockets or briefcases....
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« Reply #198 on: 05-22-2008 13:42 »

 
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Like the books in Star Trek - Officially endorsed fanfiction.   big grin



I lost my copy of this one... But it was good, I can tell you. Despite the cover, it's not a parody. It's an honest, true-to-character story.


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« Reply #199 on: 05-22-2008 13:49 »

Now that is possibly one of the most awesome ideas I have seen this month.

Is it me, or is Mr Spock goosing Kirk in that picture?
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